Right or Wrong, I am Sticking with What I Believe

Guest Post by Todd Hayen

What is it with this oddly stoic response from the “sheep side” of this debate? I am hearing more and more sentiments such as: “I don’t care if you are right, I am sticking with my stance.” What is that all about?

Like a captain of a ship, defeated in battle, ship sinking, standing at the bridge, sword drawn, “damn you bastards! I am going down with my ship!” And sure enough he does. Shark food.

Everyone is a sore loser these days.

There used to be a time when defeat was part of life and a person learned from their mistakes or failures. Now everyone gets a prize just for participating. The jabbed want their prize, and damned if they are going to back down until they get it. “I was loyal to the cause all the way to the end!”

Down they will go in their arrogance, ignorance, and stubbornness. Too bad. As cliché as it is to say, we are indeed in this together. The sheep are not the enemy. They may have had weaknesses that make them responsible for this shite show, but they didn’t create it, and they got nothing for being loyal to their puppet masters, that’s for sure.

These poor folks are our brothers and our sisters. We are ready to welcome them back to the human race with open arms, but that is impossible if they continue to swear their allegiance to the enemy.

They have to put their swords down at some point. It doesn’t seem like they are all that willing to do that. At this point in the game we have just been enjoying the halftime show. I think as the deeper winter sets in, the real game will continue.

What is this odd sheep-psychology, though? —“I’m not giving up no matter what.”

I remember as a kid, in post war America (even 20 years after WWII we were still, as kids, mesmerized by it) a favorite male pastime was playing war in the backyard. Sometimes we had plastic military style M1 rifle toys, but most of the time we just used sticks, or even imaginary weapons (certainly the grenades were only “air bombs”).

What seemed to be the most common occurrence was to clearly blow a kid away as he ran with no cover across the open expanse of your backyard, and he would keep running! “You’re dead!! You’re dead!!!” and most assuredly the response was, “No I’m not!!! You missed!!!” That’s what you get for playing with imaginary bullets and grenades—death is subjective.

There is indeed this variety of stubbornness amongst the ill-informed. They chose the wrong team, plain and simple, and it is embarrassing and shameful to admit that. Getting killed in a game of war for a small boy is also shameful, so if there are no real reasons to be dead, why not deny it?—“you missed!” My word is as good as yours.

My gut tells me there is more to this than that. And this is where it gets scary. There seems to be a strange psychological thing taking place here. Yes, it is related to a cult member’s loyalty to their “Christ-like” leader. And I would say it was the same except this isn’t a loyalty to a person, such as the German infatuation with Hitler during the 1930’s. Is it like a loyalty to a concept or an idea? Close, but even that doesn’t really ring true. It feels more like they have been programmed to believe something they can’t even describe or define.

I was very pleased when Mattias Desmet’s book The Psychology of Totalitarianism came out. He attempted to explain just what I am talking about in psychological and social terms. I bought into that for a while, and still do until I can prove my own forming hypothesis.

Desmet explains his “mass formation” in terms of environment, both physical and spiritual, creating a perfect breeding ground for manipulation by a nefarious force such as government or an elite group of people. His explanation does make sense, and I would add Dr. Mark McDonald’s alterations to the theory, and even Dr. Robert Malone’s idea that this mass formation is a form of psychosis.

But there is still something niggling at me regarding all of this. I can’t really put my finger on it.

The people I have encountered that stick with their conventions are not very smart about it. They are not even very passionate about it. They don’t shove evidence in your face, or rant and rave about the virtues of the medical prowess of the vaccines and the ultimate dangers of alternative treatments like Ivermectin.

They typically just spit at you and tell you that you are a science denier or a selfish schmuck. There is very little science or logic or even evidence behind their loyalties. You can’t even get them to explain to you what they believe other than “when booster comes, I take” with a bit of zombie dullness in their eyes. At times it is uncannily creepy.

This is a long shot, I agree. But it seems that I am not the only one who is wondering about this stuff. To my surprise I recently have seen news stories as well as videos about “strange personality changes” due to various elements found in the vaccines.

I belong to a Facebook Group titled “Died Suddenly Worldwide” and there have been several threads, with hundreds of comments, about this very topic. Of course, all of them pointing to the jab as the source for these brain alterations. With all the talk of zombies and the like since this insanity started, who knows.

Now, I do think this idea is food for paranoia. The impression that shrews have lost their marbles is rampant. Consider the CSPO’s suggestion in Ontario (College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario) that the vaccine hesitant be psychologically assessed. (The CSPO has rather energetically taken a few steps back from this, but be aware, the charge is fundamentally correct.) After this assessment the patient could be referred to a psychiatrist, or immediately put on psychotropic drugs by the family physician.

Claiming one side or another in a debate as being insane is a rather common tactic to bring veracity to the accusing side’s position. What I am describing however seems quite different. I am observing personally what I have presented here. And quite frankly it is giving me the willies.

People who lose their rational thinking have been known historically to do rather atrocious things. They do these things without a flinch, and if they are not the “doers” they look the other way while others are “doing.”

There is no point in trying to put a scale on this capability to commit atrocities. Once you lose reason, you lose it all. Denying the dangers of the vaccines, with ample evidence that they certainly are dangerous, suggests a loss of logic reasoning—it is no longer a matter of an individual making a subjective choice.

Once a person looses logic reasoning, there is no telling what they are capable of doing or thinking. Millions of people were shoved into gas chambers during World War II, and most common citizens didn’t blink an eye (don’t tell me they didn’t know something fishy was going on when everyone Jewish suddenly went missing in their neighbourhood.)

And certainly the thousands of military in charge of the exterminations didn’t blink an eye either. Humans are capable of this insanity, and losing the ability to think rationally is the first step toward this behaviour.

Needless to say, as I mention above, the sheep will point the finger and say, “you’re the one!” if ever accused. So, who’s to say what the real skinny is on all of this.

I guess we just wait and see what happens. So far this lack of rationale is not present in every jabbed person I have encountered. But that statistic may not remain in place for long. Get out your CDC handbook on Zombies, read up, and be prepared!

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74 Comments
Eddy O
Eddy O
January 14, 2023 7:06 am

I totally disagree……The sheep definitely ARE the enemy.

goat
goat
  Eddy O
January 14, 2023 7:34 am

Have your property seized, get run out of your home, and then have it tore down and charged for it, because you wanted to actually try to be a little independent on property you own (like having a couple rabbits and not being a slave making someone else rich so you can work your whole life paying for new cars), and you will change your mind about them being the enemy. They have been sold the american nightmare, and they want you living it right along with them, slaves or dead to the system right to the ignoble end.

Mountainrat
Mountainrat
  Eddy O
January 14, 2023 7:39 am

You beat me to it. I don’t hate them but I know they are dangerous to me and they are my enemies. They were willing to ruin us and lock us up for not following the herd. Fuck them!

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  Eddy O
January 14, 2023 2:16 pm

You got that right. Sheep is symbolic for the social consciousness which is the enemy to every man who loves and seeks Spiritual Freedom.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 7:57 am

I don’t think he understands the meaning of the word stoic.

Whatever.

In order to understand human behavior, you must first understand human nature.

Human beings are dualistic by nature, that is they are inherently a tribal or herd animal living autonomous, atomized lives. Part of it is by choice, but by and large the primary driver is post-modernist society. We were bred, for at least five generations now, to be cogs in an industrial economy. We no longer serve our human interests, but have been selected for our ability to be cogs in a societal machine. While this is great for economies, clearly it is unhealthy for the individual and smaller clusters of human groupings, like families and communities. So what happens to a human being that is forced to live in contradiction to his destiny, or purpose in life? Breakdown and illness, in physical, mental and spiritual terms. You could say that this experiment in adaptability has proven to have been a failure since you are seeing poorer returns on sunk costs. People are unhealthy, physically they aren’t a fit organism compared to several generations ago, they are anxious and depressed for much longer periods and for reasons that would have barely registered a hundred years ago. They deface their own bodies, mutilate them, scarify and cut themselves, pierce and tattoo the largest organ they possess without registering its true importance to overall health, and drug themselves on chemical cocktails freely prescribed, or obtained on the streets.

The collapse economically is simply a symptom of the decline and fall of the species as a whole. This is of course not universal, the majority of humanity doesn’t behave as most of the West has and those who recognize the mistakes they’ve made have been in revolt against the modern world and have already started the process of return to the land, exactly the opposite of the plans of the controllers. They want you sick and dependent, anxious and unmoored to others. This is the kind of domesticated animal species they profit from and on whom they have come to depend. Part of the acceleration we perceive is due to their realization that the cultural sickness is terminal, that they only have a limited time to implement their plan to corral the entirety of the human population in order to serve their selfish interests.

What you are seeing in those who have become completely intractable is a new breed of human, one who is comfortable in their confinement and desires to be treated as a farm animal. To them, the free human is the threat to their safety and livelihood, not the human farmer who makes sure that they get a constant diet of feed, distractions and pharmacological mood elevators to keep them docile.

flash
flash
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 8:06 am

+1000 …separate the boy from his father and the daughter from her mother and the family unit loses the nucleus of it bond , and so goes civil/stable society, which is what we’re seeing now with the increasing violent, unraveling of the socio-economic thread. The ideal family unit, works, prays , plays, and thus stays together. Tribe up or die.

Eddie
Eddie
  flash
January 14, 2023 2:29 pm

Not attacking, just asking…..

How do you tribe up, when your/my Family on the brainwashed side?

Could really use some good advice,

God Bless

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Eddie
January 14, 2023 2:42 pm

What people mean here by tribing up, generally means closing ranks or solidifying relationships with like minded people. That may or may not include blood.

If blood relatives take and advocate the vax they will gladly turn against you, again. Its painful, but you cannot trust them to not betray you at some point. This is the destruction of the family unit TPTB have successfully attacked over decades. Its now an oddity for there to be strong family units where families can pray, work and play together, and without always staring at a slave tracker.

Eddie
Eddie
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 3:03 pm

Thank you for your reply!!

ken31
ken31
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 6:24 pm

” Its now an oddity for there to be strong family units where families can pray, work and play together, and without always staring at a slave tracker”

I think this is the saddest part of all.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 7:43 pm

Great answer.

Trumpeter
Trumpeter
  Eddie
January 14, 2023 10:47 pm

Tribe is bigger than family. Find like minded individuals very near to you. Find a community you want to be a part of and work to be a part of it.

brian
brian
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 9:22 am

Theres been an attack on the family unit LONG before the covid scam. The scamdemic just made it more visible.

The typical ‘conservative’ type are short sighted and reactionary. While we shoot at their flags they shoot at our foundations. Which will collapse first?

m
m
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 11:01 am

I don’t understand this sentence:
” by and large the primary driver is post-modernist society”

1. Driver of what? (Of being socially atomized?)
2. Post-Modernist I would put as the phase since around 1970, at the earliest. How does that square with “for at least five generations now”?

Thanks for a clarification.

realestatepup
realestatepup
  m
January 14, 2023 4:30 pm

This has not been a quick process. But much like the frog in the water, he is brought to boil only when it is too late to escape.
So the ‘five generations’ is maybe even not long enough.
Humanity has been in the grip of Luciferian coils for thousands of years. Only now does the technology come to bear that can make all their sick dreams come true.

Ginger
Ginger
  realestatepup
January 16, 2023 7:08 am

Interesting points from both of you.
Don’t believe that there are so many more luciferians or satanist in the world, they die off like everybody else, but there are just so many more people ( or material ) to work with. They mostly do not even know what they are doing. Everything is basically ‘post-fall’ Genesis 3.
The oldest trick of satan is to destroy the family, especially marriage. Just about any immorality no matter how small ( or large as murder came along quickly ), lines up behind that.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  m
January 15, 2023 5:12 am

Zeitgeist? The overall thrust of where we are headed? By Post Modernist I mean after the industrialization period of mankind.

Five generations would be roughly 100 years, Industrialization was at full operational performance roughly by WWI.

HTH

m
m
  hardscrabble farmer
January 16, 2023 5:58 am

I would take the industrialization period as [the beginning of] modernity.

And a generation most people consider to be 30 years; so you are free to use your own definition but may want to briefly give note of it.

Thanks

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 2:07 pm

Excellent, and one step further. There is a spiritual bankruptcy in the land, and the Global Banksters were very happy to give it to us.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  AKJOHN
January 14, 2023 2:38 pm

This spiritual bankruptcy is the root of our ills. Hacking at individual branches (and they are many) is a frustrating exercise in futility. To make any progress we need to strike at the root and reconnect with the God who created us and gifted us with this truly magnificent material reality. One cannot separate themselves from Christ our creator and expect to thrive.

The truth is plain to see but so many are unwilling to look. Also hard for me to fathom; if people believe in an all powerful Creator, how is it that inspiring and preserving a book becomes impossible? If I had the power to speak a world into existence, surely I could write a book explaining its proper functioning.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 2:53 pm

I ha to often remind myself that one of the great gifts of God is free will. It’s like we have to get their on our own or it does not count.

Eddie
Eddie
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 2:58 pm

Forgive me in advance,

I wish you would comment more often on the times we live in.

Tired of hearing from not saved, fake religious folks…….

and that world you speak of is World B, already spoken of by this article author.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Eddie
January 14, 2023 4:22 pm

Nothing to forgive brother… the times we live in are described in great detail by the apostle Paul. May I ask, do you understand the Bible “rightly divided” or is this foreign to you?

Ephesians 5:15-16 KJB… “See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.”

We live in a time of great evil. Have been since the beginning; but ever since God thoroughly embarrassed and destroyed satans plans, he’s been running under cover of religion preaching false gospels.

Colossians 2:15 KJB… “And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

People need to be made aware that there are no good guys. We are ALL gone out of the way, none that do good. A man must realize he is lost and utterly undone before he can be found and thus reconciled back to God. For most this is a bridge too far. They go to church to hear the opposite of what God says about us; that they are the “good people” because here they are at “church” while others are out not “worshiping” the Lord.

For those of us who are saved our instructions are found right here; and we should be at it as much as possible while dealing with everyday life.

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 KJB… “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Always critical to remember that in this fallen and rapidly failing world that we have a great hope! The redemption of the purchased possession; that would be us, members of His body. What a phenomenal day (for us) does rapidly approach! It will be a devastating day for those who failed to love the truth but for us, inconceivably remarkable!

Nice speaking with you Eddie! Contact me anytime at all… 😊

Anonymous
Anonymous
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 4:41 pm

Amanda 4:16

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 5:08 pm

Whatever whoever…

bigfootmm
bigfootmm
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 3:12 pm

Fear inspires attachment to an authority disguised as a protector. That attachment allows the denial of facts to remain unconscious and without any consequent feeling of conflict. The ability to casually ignore facts gets reinforced by the sense of brotherhood with those others who believe the same nonsense coming from authorities. For these folks it is far more important to feel secure than to live by their wits and to be challenged.

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
January 14, 2023 4:29 pm

Not me b’rer foxrabbit (dualism nod, hat-tip).

Or Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde (another duodenum).

Or all those Jekyll Island Hydes that converged in 1910 for to 3rd times the charm a central counterfeiting pyramid scheme (how many stomachs does this thing have?).

One stomach, but it fractals into infinite stomachs.

Don’t think there any new breeds, either. That doesn’t show up in my own experience, from when memories began to be made “sticky,” to now.

And it doesn’t show up in any takes ~ standard bunk, per Ford was it? & non-standard debunk alike ~ on history I’ve read.

“Human nature” smears across a continuum.

Philosophies or religions that don’t leave any room on that smudge-streak for outliers (people beyond/outside whichever little boxes, little boxes ♪♫♪ ~malvina reynolds sang~ are what … yet another effort at, or desire for … control?

Church Lady: could it be … *satan*?

Reduction. Like the French haute cuisiners got rigor mortis’d sphincters ‘round the basic sauces. And wtf cares? Well the sauce religion does.

But subjective preferences, nay compulsions, just don’t cover the whole kitchen.

Yeah, all is one connected blob-thing.

But the disconnected opposite, too.

And then there’s all that in-between, as well.

Ying yang yong … totally a Chuck Barris production. But it’s a big kit/chen – not just one gong. “I’ll count you in.”

That bit about ability to hold two opposed ideas (or more) ~ or aspects ~ in mind simultaneously & still retain ability to function (f scot fitzgerald).

The inability to do that is called cogdis.

Then, if you got the two or more juggle going comes the contact patch: prioritization.

What comes first?

(Objectively ~ not beancounter utilitarianistically ~ what comes first?)

Or should, in the unattainable best of all possible worlds?

Or does, even if mostly only in the hermitage of some minds?

Your kitchen, your sauce/s. My kitchen, mine.

“Food is memories.”

I remember.

Absent brain damage I’ll never forget.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum

Better call Sol (not Saul) ~ here comes the sun, the very same Beatles ~ rage, rage against the dyin of the incandescence.

The sheep-bo-peeps/tepford wives, hubs & kids have been there from my get. From *the* get. Ain’t nuthin new under ol’ sol…

…Including fact that this ain’t no team sport, nor android electric sheep dream reality neither. That pentagon don’t levitate, never has, never will.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  i forget
January 15, 2023 3:17 pm

Lame Cherry much?

zappalives
zappalives
January 14, 2023 8:07 am

If you still trust the system …………………..your a sheepnigger !
The sheepniggers are controlled by the teevee.
They are no longer functioning humans……..they are sheepniggers.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are committing suicide.

flash
flash
January 14, 2023 8:24 am

“I would say it was the same except this isn’t a loyalty to a person, such as the German infatuation with Hitler during the 1930’s.”

It’s really sickening how desperate people become once their homeland is invaded by by alien parasites who deprive them of their property and nourishment whilst simultaneously sexualizing their children and debasing their society, culture, faith and currency, which eventually leads them to become infatuated by anyone who offers them hope against this menace to their very lives. I’m glad nothing like this can ever happen US Americans. We’re smarter than that, right?

The genius of the bankman is to live off people; not off land, nor off the production of commodities from raw material, but off people. Let other people till the soil; the bankman , if he can, will live off the tiller. Let other people toil at trades and manufacture; the bankman will exploit the fruits of their work. That is his peculiar genius. If this genius be described as parasitic, the term would seem to be justified by a certain fitness.
Henry Ford
(The International Bankman , November 13, 1920)

flash
flash
January 14, 2023 8:56 am

Typical civic fag cuck….more money for war, none for US ….prolly’ attends Hillsdale college for neocon fags and has a man crush on Dinesh D’Souza, too.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  flash
January 14, 2023 9:03 am

I’m someone who attends these rallies every day.

Let’s forget the obvious physiognomy of this character, the soft baby-like face, the effeminate voice, the strange mannerisms, etc.

He’s not a functioning member of our society. He doesn’t work, or contribute in any way so he becomes a human version of those stacks of bricks that are always present before any urban protest, just a useful tool to used as necessary against the interests of the Nation (the people).

What a sad sack.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
January 14, 2023 2:45 pm

Apropos of nothing, really, but Dontarius seems well fed.

flash
flash
January 14, 2023 9:48 am

Nazis didn’t do this , faggot.

Virginia Dare (PRO)

@VDARE

REVIEWING 2022: 352 Reported Murders Of Whites By Blacks—VDARE’s Year In The Death Of White America

If you add all these numbers together, there were approximately 352 murders of whites by blacks which did not ”create a national conversation” about anti-white hate crimes because they weren’t allowed to.

News organizations have specific policies requiring them to not identify criminals by race, and the only reason we know most of these were interracial crimes is because pictures of the killers and their victims appeared in the papers.

https://vdare.com/posts/reviewing-2022-352-reported-murders-of-whites-by-blacks-vdare-s-year-in-the-death-of-white-america

ken31
ken31
  flash
January 14, 2023 6:45 pm

I stopped reading that kosher blog after reading the Kevin McDonald exchange on Occidental Observer.

That’s a good one, though.

Stucky
Stucky
January 14, 2023 10:09 am

“Right or Wrong, I am Sticking with What I Believe”

The beginning, middle, and end of ALL arguments involving religion.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Stucky
January 14, 2023 10:27 am

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 14, 2023 1:30 pm

Well said.

Except the Religotards will claim to KNOW, not just believe.

And as seen in the other thread, they get mighty testy when you question HOW they know.

ken31
ken31
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 6:49 pm

Cope and seethe, gaytheist.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Stucky
January 14, 2023 2:49 pm

Not for me. The college I attended in NH turned me lose an idiot liberal democrat atheist on the world. If I stuck to what I believed back then, I’d never picked up a Bible at all. Matter of fact, it was the last place I looked for truth and meaning in this world. I thank God daily that I was able to admit to myself that I was wrong about literally everything.

But, you’re right for the vast majority. Such a shame people cannot entertain ideas that conflict with those they hold dear without getting very angry.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 3:08 pm

I thank God daily that I was able to admit to myself that I was wrong about literally everything.

How did you KNOW you were “wrong about everything”?
I assume you did not know you were wrong about everything when you were “an idiot liberal democrat atheist”. So how do you KNOW you are not wrong about everything now?

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 4:30 pm

Because I came across the source of ultimate Truth in the world. It was right there the whole time. It’s there for you too if you’d like to look.

Romans 13:11 KJB… “And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.”

There is much we can KNOW! Grab a concordance and search the word “know” and all its forms throughout Paul’s epistles; you might be amazed by what you see!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 4:40 pm

Because I came across the source of ultimate Truth in the world. It was right there the whole time. It’s there for you too if you’d like to look.

SMH. Completely missing the point and then spouting self referential sanctimony.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 5:10 pm

Note to self: ignore anonymous posters.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Ah yes.

The “La La La, I’m not listening” approach.

Or was that the “Cover my eyes to make the uncomfortable questions go away”, one?

A real seeker of truth you are. Run away quickly now, I might ask more uncomfortable questions you can’t cope with.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 4:56 pm

Amanda 4:16

ken31
ken31
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 6:53 pm

“Amanda Palmer 🎹 https://home.social/@amandapalmer
@amandapalmer
4-16-1950.
anthony martignetti, my best friend, would have been 70 today. we couldn’t go to his grave, so we just…found another anthony. i have never missed him more than i do now, today, i have never missed him quite in this way. (con’t…”

bigfoot
bigfoot
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 8:06 pm

Try reading “Escaping From Eden” by Paul Wallis should you want to find out if your confidence in the Bible can stand up. Wallis is a pastor.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  bigfoot
January 15, 2023 12:02 pm

Right. Go outside of scripture to learn about scripture. Got it.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  grace country pastor
January 15, 2023 8:00 pm

Your assumption obviously is that the Bible is infallible. All written by men who argued about what to say and even what to include in it. Those men over the years thought it was great idea to put the fear of everlasting torment at the forefront so that they might keep the common man in his place. So God in that book is a jealous god and takes revenge on the people who do not worship him. What a guy.

What might interest you is that the Old Testament God is completely different from the New. Might it be that in the Old we see not God but something else? Up to you to discover.

goat
goat
  bigfoot
January 15, 2023 8:49 pm

A man of wisdom.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  bigfoot
January 16, 2023 1:21 pm

Discovered. Thank you.

ken31
ken31
  grace country pastor
January 14, 2023 6:50 pm

Well said, GCP.

Yahsure
Yahsure
January 14, 2023 10:11 am

I really wonder about many of the readers and their posts. My dad watched his neighbors get marched off to the trains. Usually by one German soldier with a gun. there was nothing fake about it. it really happened. he followed them to the train. wondering what the hell was going on. They never came back.
They also got rid of all the people in the local mental institution and anyone gay or non-productive.
Being white with blue eyes and Catholic was what saved my family from these fascists. It makes me wonder who will be acceptable here in the future to TPTB.

brian
brian
  Yahsure
January 14, 2023 11:26 am

Allies carpet bombed Germany with enough explosives to destroy all the infrastructure

When we lived in Malta for a year we met a young german fella that worked at the german embassy. Got to be good friends with him and his family, BBQ’s on the beach and taking him diving.

My family history says my grand parents on me pappy’s side had immigrated to germany, coming from the Minsk/Pinsk area, in russia. Some of his (pappy’s) siblings were born in germany. I was interested in seeing how far back and from where our history had come. I knew the area of where they lived and relayed that to my friend who said he’d be happy to enquire about. Long story short, after about six weeks he came back and said, no records from anywhere, churches, mayor, govt offices, nada. It was all heavily bombed and turned to gravel. Kinda like what murika does everywhere in the name of security. That pretty much ended any inquiry at that end.

So from our families perspective the us did what the us always does, destroys everything. Matters not an iota about innocent people, they are expendable.

goat
goat
  Yahsure
January 14, 2023 1:10 pm

It wasn’t just the people in camps. The German population died accordingly also.

brian
brian
  goat
January 14, 2023 1:15 pm

Carpet bombing cities and surrounding areas has a tendency to do that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Yahsure
January 14, 2023 1:56 pm

Try to read for comprehension.

Yesterday I realized that that is far too big an ask for many on TBP. There is a long thread demonstrating it, repeatedly, by several posters.

“A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

Endemic on TBP. It is why the responses from the stupid always seem like they are answering a question not actually asked. Comprehension is a skill and there are many incompetent here.

And the dumber they are, the more effort they make to display it.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 2:18 pm

I’d dispute the endemic somewhat. We all suffer from comprehension failure at times which doesn’t mean its a prevalent issue. There are times we get locked into one perspective too and it over rides the question being asked.

But… overall, TBP is probably the best place for great comments and insights out there. If you can’t function with the good and the bad, then the issue is you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 2:32 pm

We all suffer from comprehension failure at times which doesn’t mean its a prevalent issue.

We differ on that. Very few responses I see are on point and address directly the post they respond to. Most are just launching points for whatever brainfart those responding have based on their NOT understanding the OP *in context*.

There are times we get locked into one perspective too and it over rides the question being asked.

Far too often. Which would be fine, except that almost always, when that they are doing so is pointed out, denial, defensiveness, insults and further entrenchment follows. The stupid pretty much always double down, then their “team” backs them.

TBP is probably the best place for great comments and insights out there.

Agreed. Even with the large number of ‘too stupid to know they are stupid’, there are still some great insights and intellects here.

If you can’t function with the good and the bad, then the issue is you.

A bit dickish. I function here just fine. It is others that seem to throw a wobbly when I post.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 2:54 pm

except that almost always, when that they are doing so is pointed out, denial, defensiveness, insults and further entrenchment follows.

Yep. Totally agree. Its tedious at times when you mention certain topics and its an immediate insults fest then copious links to experts who wrote a column or book, because writing a book or article makes one an expert. Question a point and immediately you are stupid, a moran, retarded or whatever derogatory term they come up with. Little in the way of real discussion or trying to actually educate with reason and thoughtful questions.

A bit dickish. I function here just fine.

Wasn’t trying to be dickish. I was going to put that I wasn’t accusing you of having that attitude, which I left that out, mostly to see how you would respond. Dickish or with civility.

Anyrate, we all respond differently, sometimes with grace, and sometimes with fire.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 3:04 pm

Thanks. I can be a dick myself (we all have the capacity IMO) and did wonder if that was general or pointed at me. I did not think it a huge insult or anything either way. Thus “a bit”, not “a lot”. 🙂

Question a point and immediately you are stupid, a moran, retarded or whatever derogatory term they come up with.

Indeed. The disappointment is how many just lurk instead of actually calling out that kind of ‘low’ behavior. Not that I think the “resort to insult instead of debate” types would take any notice anyway.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 3:13 pm

Not that I think the “resort to insult instead of debate” types would take any notice anyway.

Not that it really matters does it?? and often its pointless to even engage some here as its always ends up the same way, a pointless shit flinging with no end. Until someone posts another shiny article on covid or the impending just anytime now collapse, because experts all agree.

ADDED: As for the lurkers not speaking out. Its the Platform. its is what it is.

But thats just me. cheers

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
January 14, 2023 3:19 pm

Not that it really matters does it??

It only matters in that to me it displays that the stupid will “team up” while the thinking don’t seem to support each other much.

Does not give me much hope for humanity as this seems the norm through society. Thus we end up with “Consensus = Fact” because the people who understand that is BS are shouted down by the mob of fools.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
January 14, 2023 3:37 pm

Does not give me much hope for humanity

Personally I’m not concerned about humanity as a whole. Many here have correctly identified what I think is a better option. Those around them that they can trust, tribing up as it is often referred to.

I don’t agree with many here and we’re not here to be consensus adherents, but to share opinions and gain further wisdom. Take the meat and leave the grisly and bone for the dogs.

Thats what I love about this place.

Now I gotta get back to work. Thx

Yahsure
Yahsure
January 14, 2023 10:15 am

I went shopping and there are still some people wearing masks. Apparently, Asians are good at doing what they are told by authority figures. I also see covid shots being offered at the senior center and my local pharmacy. The culling continues.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Yahsure
January 14, 2023 2:53 pm

Such racial distinctions will form the basis for Huxley’s Alpha through Epsilon breeding/caste system.

WTF
WTF
January 14, 2023 10:47 am

That is why my gun is right beside my bible. God helps those who listen and do what He says to do at the appropriate time.

m
m
January 14, 2023 10:55 am

“Everyone is a sore loser these days.”

It’s called Narcissism.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
January 14, 2023 12:22 pm

The sheep were doomed from the day of their birth…it’s their natural state.

Grumpy
Grumpy
January 14, 2023 12:38 pm

Today’s people who do not believe the Holocaust as fact, are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who have no issue with stigmatizing and imprisoning everyone who denies the Death Jab.

Remember, the camps started in the 1930’s “for your health.”

Now for all of you people who have spoken against others who wish to exercise their Right to Freedom of Choice, look in the mirror and proudly call yourself inhuman.

Socratic Dog
Socratic Dog
  Grumpy
January 14, 2023 9:38 pm

Wait, what?

Seems pretty obvious to me that it’s those who accept blindly what the state media tells them who have both the holocaust religion and the covid religion. They also swear allegiance to climate change, Russia Russia Russia, chopping kids dicks off, lone gunmen, and Putin-is-Hitler.

Those who rejected the kill shot tend to be those who reject any number of of state-mandated religious beliefs, including the holocaust.

bidenTouchesKids
bidenTouchesKids
January 14, 2023 1:27 pm

“I don’t know, I don’t want to know, I don’t care” – average American

Trumpeter
Trumpeter
January 14, 2023 10:36 pm

Don’t tell me you are sticking to your guns without getting out your Vaxx card. If you are not current through the change from every 6 months to 3 months to 2 months…..get your ass back in for your shots!

Seriously, if you want to flog “safe and effective” you should be vaxxed to death.