Guest Post by Mark Crispin Miller
Does “climate change” do that? Or is it geoengineering, meant to LOOK LIKE “climate change,” and scare us into giving up our lives, to “save the planet”?
This fire thing on Maui doesnt add up. How did all the boats on the water burn as well and there is a perfect circle of fire around the city. pic.twitter.com/Edc5emAwBM
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A couple of days ago I listed some of the billionaires who live and own land right around the tiny town of what used to be Lahaina. Ellison’s private island is directly off shore of that town, Oprah and Bezos own land nearby.
Yesterday Oprah was handing out tee shirts to the survivors (natives), Bezos pledged 100 million dollars for relief. Depends on what the meaning of relief is to the club. I’m going to watch what is rebuilt in Lahaina very cloely, how about you?
Pennies on the $$, BL. I’m sure that’s what they will snatch up property for. Whatever happened to the property at Paradise, CA? Anyone know?
Here is what I found on Realtor.com
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Paradise_Butte-County_CA
Two of my neices( I have a lot of neices ) homes were burned to the ground , fortunatley after a few years they were rebuilt ….
They needed to practice destroying entire neighborhoods after mass die off somewhere. Why not in paradise?
MC- Lahaina was in the middle of a billionaires playground and near high dollar multinational corp owned resorts on the beach. My guess is they will develop it geared toward the monied class. Natives will no longer live there per the plan.
I read 93 dead up to 1500 unaccounted for. There is a special place in hell for those who could crispy critter almost 1600 people to gain financially. They did save the families the cremation fee.
Build new zillion $$ homes and/or resorts right on the beach. Global warming be damned, right?
Mary- See my last post under Suds on the “Maui Shock and Awe” thread. Thx
This very thing is happening everywhere beautiful properties are being destroyed in multiples of ways.
Pastor- Lahaina was a dumpy town that looked much better from the air than on the ground. It’s the location, location, location that we are talking about here.
Exactly.
Bezo’s is a caring task master. He’ll give everyone free scamazon prime for a year and then buy up the properties like MC stated. Oprah and free tshirts, the generosity is overwhelming. I can hardly hold back the tears of joy and gratitude.
As Maui residents call out for help, some of its richest landowners have pitched in or spoken out about the disaster. Oprah Winfrey, who owns more than 2,000 acres on Maui, has been handing out pillows and other supplies. Lauren Sanchez, Jeff Bezos’ fiancee and vice chair of the Bezos Earth Fund, said in a post on Threads on Thursday that the couple “will be making donations to help.”
Other billionaires who own homes or land on Maui, including Peter Thiel, singer-songwriter Jimmy Buffett, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang and software tycoon David Duffield, have remained quiet. Spokespeople for Buffett, Thiel and Duffield have not yet replied to a request for comment from Forbes. Real estate billionaire Neil Bluhm, who also owns land on Maui, could not be reached for comment. An Nvidia spokesperson wrote that they won’t “announce plans through Forbes” but did not elaborate on whether that meant that Huang will be making an announcement or donation.
Source
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/how-the-billionaires-with-homes-on-maui-are-responding-to-the-island-s-wildfires/ar-AA1f9KB6
I think that it was a twofer, the US had to show that, despite how much of a failure our traditional weapons systems have proven to be a failure in Ukraine, (i.e. see Orlov’s latest) that we can still Pfuck U Up if you mess with us, so they needed to make a demonstration of a DEW and did so in the Pacific so that the Red Chinese would take notice.
So one of the Billionaires in Maui was in on it, and said hey as long as we’re going to do this, take out this den of undesirable natives and non rich white folks who are mucking about in our voew, we’ll buy the land build a nice Peadoplagrond for the Billionaire Epstein set and call it a day. Any natives left will be employees of the resort in special segregated housing.
https://boosty.to/cluborlov/posts/a59b2ec4-25d0-4e7f-8d54-0e35c5f74462
In Dr. Judy Woods book ” Where Did The Towers Go ” and presentation on 9-11 strangeness, she shows circular holes on both glass and nearby buildings. The Hutchinson effect is discussed also. How did the fires burn cars but not paper nearby ?
Play at the 1 hour 33 and 1 hour 35 minute point.
Just dont mention the third bldg #7 collapse !
VERBOTEN to talk or think about it in SHITBOX MERCA.
That was some wildfire that brought down WTC 1 thru 7.
Look at 48:28 to past 49 min. MASSIVE steel beams turn to dust before your eyes. This is impossible with known weapons, isn’t it?
Interestingly enough I was the first one to suggest that exotic weapons were used on 911 in the 911 truth group on yahoo back in the day, where all the notables were hanging out at the time, including Miss Wood.
Miles has an interesting take. You may not go along with his thinking but he gives a lot of weird, and pertinent, facts.
http://mileswmathis.com/maui.pdf
No sirens, no emergency messages, it’s come out that hospitals were not inundated but empty on and on.
Not to mention it will be easy to build a Smart City there and keep out all the riff raff with quaint little shacks etc.
Miles is off the reservation.
Miles Mathis “What kind of wildfire turns everything white and nothing black?”
This kind of wildfire:
https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/ecologists-show-that-nebraska-sandhills-can-withstand-wildfire/
Or this:
https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/countryside-reduced-to-ash-and-ruin-1458392
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Miles is a brilliant man, of this there is no doubt. But he writes as if he believes is infallible, and all who disagree are…well,stupid, or jealous or trying to suppress him etc.
My favorite fallacy of his still sits there, wide open for all to see re his TV level law education: “Just so you know, in your home town you can’t even file a missing person report until they have been missing for 48 hours”
Source:
http://mileswmathis.com/smart.pdf
Note for Miles: [who lives in Califirnia now]
California Code, Penal Code – PEN § 14211
a) All local police and sheriffs’ departments shall accept any report, by any party, including any telephonic report, of a missing person, including runaways, without delay and shall give priority to the handling of these reports over the handling of reports relating to crimes involving property.
Source
https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-14211/
Miles is baby n bathwater.
Some great stuff, in with some kooky stuff.
So, we have that in common.
Just ribbing ya Milesy!
Ever heard of flying/floating embers?
Offshore…..Umm, no. Only when Japs or Nazis were bombing…..good Lord.
Everybody knows boats don’t catch fire, no matter what amount of embers they are showered with.
This one totally looks like Maui power company’s fault.
Power poles that bend over in an annual wind storm cycle are the tattle tales in this not so mysterious caper.
The Ember Gospel.
Book of Embers 1:7 “All embers must self extinguish when floating in the air over water.”
/s
I don’t know anybody that has a boat. This storty must be fake.
This one I like.
Harumph…….
So let’s give this time, let’s wait and see who runs in and scoops up all this property for pennies on the dollar. Then we’ll know the answer to why it happened.
Best comment.
Wait an see what they do with the property.
That may reveal and agenda.
Kudos Hal P!
Where have I heard that before?? Hhmm……
As always,”Follow The Money!”
Sorry.
Aleeady saw the high winds pushing the power poles over.
Occams.
But if we are going to speculate?
What if Maui power has been replacing the power company maintenance crews with ‘box check’ hires [ever see a five hundred pound Samoan in a reach bucket?] who, instead of actually doing the maintenance, drive the service trucks to the park and sleep all day?
Maui Power=Flint Water.
Looks a bit like Tokyo circa March 1945.
I watched this one at quarter speed, the cables strike me as odd and I’m unsure why.
The cables are just that in the pictures. Telephone cables. The video does not show a 7200 volt or 12,500 volt carrying wire on the ground that could have started a fire.
After a FAKE GLOBAL PANDEMIC my default is all is planned especially since all of a sudden we have pandemics AND a lot of fires (which they can use for climate hange).
Just look at all the perps already right there in the area. Oprah, Bezos just to start.
Don’t be afraid to be called a conspiracy theorist.
What’s odd about the burning circle is there looks to be a black hole/burn spot in the center……
Fire follows fuel? Astounding!
Mystery Fire Circle Solved.
Search on a satellite map:
“Nahale Pl
Lahaina, HI 96761, United States”
And look to the right.
It is the shape of the land.
Eye witness states 3 or 4 boats exploded simultaniosly before fire reached them
J*ws and Dews ; bad news.
But the critical ingredient is mass passivity and complicity.
Red pilled much?
Now they can turn on the (lightning) at will.
One thing I realized from the Paradise fires was if indeed like 50,000 people were missing after the fire we would not know if this were true or not.
There were reports of this, and it could be fake and just no one was following them etc. but if it WAS true we would not know for sure. They would all be antidotal (anecdotal- happy?) reports once again. What to believe?
Think about it. I did.
Then we have the plandemic.
The same people who fell for the plandemic will be the same people aka trained compliant useful idiots who will believe whatever they are told by TPTB. Zero common sense/critical thinking ability.
These people are 90% of the population.
Do they build fences out if wood?
Do they build corrals with wood fences?
Do they build corrals in round shapes?
Do they have horses in Maui?
Do they have cattle?
Do they have corrals?
Has anyone asked or tried to answer these questions?
Nope.
Straight to “Duh, fire can’t burn in a circle ”
Instead of asking, “What human installations are circle shaped and burn?”
Never mind Eud.
Many in this place have place have gone full retard.
I wonder if any of them have ever asked themselves if the “ongoing mindfuck” is why they believe what they do. Everything is a conspiracy to them, but they assume they are never fooled by a conspiracy (they arrogantly assert so).
Often the same I see badgering others to “think critically” moments later spout unsupported opinion as “FACT”.
Jump to conclusion, never investigate, attack those who question. Seem familiar here?
Ego. It keeps people stupid because they can “never be wrong”, so never learn.
People are dumb. The dumbest have no concept that they even COULD be dumb. Critical thinking is on life support at TBP.
Flame away morons.
Well, maybe not morons, maybe just not used to looking for reasonable alternatives to any narrative being presented?
Maybe sometimes, healthy association, can grow into unhealthy collective credulity.
We see a lot of fake news.
It’s easy to start “seeing fake” everything if one forgets to stop and think.
And research.
Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.
Ayn Rand
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“When we Assume we make an ass of u and me”
~Tony Randall on The Odd Couple.
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Be that as it may,
I think the catastrophic fire was to be expected due to lack of competance ir attention by the power company maintenance crews, and the general neglect of fire prevention maintenance in the town by citizen and city alike.
I think this was likely, a preventable disaster.
You have a point.However,after the Covid plandemic,and rushed,mandatory vaccines; i too favor conspiracy theories………….and Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Hi Jack,
Doubting everything the news says is true, seems to be a version of potentially disabling bias, on par with those who credulously believe, everything on the news is true.
With stories like Epstein where tpbt pretty much own all the details, a “highly doubtful” tag is easy.
Well, you know, because virtually every detail about Epstein was curated by um. ..them.
With stories like the Lahaina fire?
In the absence of anything obviously hinky,
Looking for the simplest answer suffices for me.
Checking firestorm characteristics, I found everything that happened in Lahaina is exactly what you should expect from a firestorm in that area.
Even the boats in the harbor are within high wind wildfire reach:
“Radiant heat from a wildfire can ignite combustible materials from distances of 100 feet or more.”
“However, winds can cause flames to rise diagonally, or even nearly horizontally, extending the reach of the flames.”
“firebrands, which are burning materials that are blown by wind from one place to another. Winds can blow firebrands more than a mile away from their source, starting new fires wherever they land
Source
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS320/WM0102020text.htm
Turns out I was wrong about the wood fencing burning in a circle.
It was the shape of the land there.
I found it by looking at a satellite view of
“Nahale Pl Lahaina, HI 96761, United States”
And looking over a little bit to the right on the map.
I don’t know how to post a screen shot.
But the second you see it, you will know, that is what the “burning ring” was.
I was wrong in my fence theory.
Right in the map search.
Maui – Plans for A High Tech Prison Island? (# hours ago)
Information forwarded by a reader, I am looking for feedback
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/maui-plans-for-a-high-tech-prison
Some have doubt about the DEW explanation:
Goodbye, Lahaina Post Script
“Officials Warned Years Ago of Lahaina’s Wildfire Risk”
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/goodbye-lahaina-post-script
Anon- I’ll leave this here for you and anyone interested:
http://www.truth11.com/lahaina-i-devastated-was-maui-hit-by-direct-energy-weapons-dew/
*** If you get a 404 page, click go to front page under the 404.
Be sure to watch the attached videos.
Any island can be a prison if there is no way off.
Another pissed-on bread crumb for people to waste time investigating.
God did it?
http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2023/08/historic-catholic-church-in-lahaina.html
I haven’t seen anyone ask what kind of temperatures occur in wildfires.
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Q. At what temperatures do forest fires burn?
An average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 meter in height and can
reach temperatures of 800°C (1,472° F) or more. Under extreme conditions a fire can give off
10,000 kilowatts or more per meter of fire front. This would mean flame heights of 50 meters or
more and flame temperatures exceeding 1200°C (2,192° F).
https://nhmu.utah.edu/sites/default/files/attachments/Wildfire%20FAQs.pdf
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An average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 metre in height and can reach temperatures of 800°C (1,472°F) or more. Under extreme conditions a fire can give off 10,000 kilowatts or more per metre of fire front. This would mean flame heights of 50 metres or more and flame temperatures exceeding 1200°C (2,192°F).
The flash point, or the temperature at which wood will burst into flame, is 572°F, according to HowStuffWorks.
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Structure fire NIST site:
Heat Transfer
Heat transfer is a major factor in the ignition, growth, spread, decay and extinction of a fire. It is important to note that heat is always transferred from the hotter object to the cooler object – heat energy transferred to and object increases the object’s temperature, and heat energy transferred from and object decreases the object’s temperature.
Temperature inside a room undergoing flashover≈1000 °C (≈1832 °F)
https://www.nist.gov/el/fire-research-division-73300/firegov-fire-service/fire-dynamics
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And off in an orphaned area of the interwebs I found this:
Wildfires spread by radiation, convection and firebrands.
Radiation is the process by which wildfires heat up the surrounding area. This is similar to the way a radiator heats a room during the winter but at considerably higher temperatures. Radiant heat from a wildfire can ignite combustible materials from distances of 100 feet or more. (Photo shows wildfire and illustrates how radiation is heating up the surrounding area.)
Flames often occur within columns of heat known as convection columns and can ignite anything flammable they contact. Typically, the flames in a convection column rise straight up, while cooling air descends and hot air rises in a cyclical pattern forming a column of looping heat.
However, winds can cause flames to rise diagonally, or even nearly horizontally, extending the reach of the flames. (Photo shows illustration of convection currents.)
The third way a wildfire spreads is through firebrands, which are burning materials that are blown by wind from one place to another. Winds can blow firebrands more than a mile away from their source, starting new fires wherever they land. (Photo shows firebrands being blown by winds.)
In of all places:
https://emilms.fema.gov/IS320/WM0102020text.htm
As one who has personally performed several controlled burns on my 25acres of native grass/forbs, there are few days when the conditions are right to conduct a burn. The temperature, humidity, fuel density, and wind must be right, if not either the fire barely burns or else would go wild. Even under ideal conditions dense, dry, knee high grass will produce 8-10 foot flames. Last year there were numerous wildfires in my area that received very little media attention. I wish that the County Commissioners did NOT have the authority to issue 90 day burn bans, 7 days at a time should suffice.
When I was a kid (teens) I use to burn things off all the time and never had any problem. Was kind of fun. Was one of those things I seen on TV (probably bonanza, it was good for such things that I thought looks cool and wanted to try like so many other things, and where I grew up (in part) was an excellent laboratory for such things and being a gen x (’61) I had little supervision. Oldest cousin lives there now (not sure how he ended up with it he hasn’t had a job in 40 years), and he tried burning the same parts off I used to burn off and caught the RR next to it on fire. LOL He never has had much fire sense. He isn’t stupid by a long shot, but I think to much el cid didn’t do him a lot of good in some ways when he was younger.
Fiberglass boats are made using polyester resin. It’s just a polymerized oil product and is very flammable. It”s not really surprising, given the scale of the fire onshore. I do wonder just (((who))) will be looking to buy that property.
What Temperature Does Fiberglass Boat Burn?
Generally, fiberglass can start to burn at temperatures above 450 degrees Fahrenheit. The material can begin to break down at this temperature, and the fibers can start to melt, releasing toxic fumes into the air.