Radiofrequency/Microwave/Millimeter-Wave Engineer Explains Hard Science Behind the Propagation of 5G into the Human Body & Offers Mitigation Advice
Editor’s Note: Our readership has been waiting for this conclusive exposé since the nationwide 5G roll-out was first announced years ago. Truly, it doesn’t get any more compelling and authoritative than the following revelations about 5G and how it really affects the human body.
This scientific breakdown is only the first in a series of highly consequential disclosures made by an industry deep insider who is currently working as a credentialed Radiofrequency/Microwave/Millimeter-Wave Engineer (for 25-plus years). Hence, this excellent introduction to 5G science is as accurate as the graphic depiction of the effects of 5G technology on the human body which follows.
All anti-5G activists are also highly encouraged to read this very simple explanation from an Integrative Health Consultant who treats many clients for EHS (Electro-Hypersensitivity Syndrome).
Adverse Effects of Wireless Technology
on the Human Bio-electrical Field
Can 5G cause flu-like symptoms and can it be used to activate the Coronavirus?
Submitted by a Radiofrequency/Microwave/Millimeter-Wave Engineer
Before we begin, let’s look at what 5G is. 5G is the fifth generation of cellular communications. 1G was deployed in the 1980’s and it was those old-school phones that only very wealthy people had. These phones were about 6” x 6” x 12”, plus or minus a few inches. Many of the people who used these phones a lot had a region in their brain the size of a walnut that had been literally cooked. 2G came after that. 3G is the old-school flip phones from the early 2000’s, then 4G and 4G LTE came along. 5G is the next generation of cellular communications that is rolling out worldwide. 4G LTE offers 10s of Megabits per second (Mbps) where as 5G offers 100s of Mbps and into the Gigabits per second (Gbps). What does this get you? You are now able to stream high-resolution video over your cellular network.
There are multiple variants of 5G being deployed around the world. 5G in China has the data encoded on a 28 GHz microwave carrier. 5G in Europe is supposed to operate on a 28 GHz carrier. Verizon wants to be like the rest of the world and operate at 28 GHz. The FCC recently auctioned off 37 GHz, 39 GHz and 47 GHz for use in 5G applications. AT&T wants to operate on 39 GHz. T-Mobile has launched their version of 5G on a 400 MHz carrier.
You are probably confused by all of this and there is solid engineering rationale behind all of this. Let’s start with a simple calculation, wavelength and what wavelength is for some common radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter-wave frequencies.
λ = v/f
λ = Wavelength
v = speed of light in vacuum = 3 x 108 meters/s
f = frequency
Example 1:
Determine the wavelength at 400 MHz.
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 400 x 106 Hz = 0.75 meters = 29.5 inches
Example 2:
Determine the wavelength at 850 MHz (Cellular).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 850 x 106 Hz = 0.353 meters = 13.9 inches
Example 3:
Determine the wavelength at 1.5 GHz (Global Positioning System or GPS).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 1.5 x 109 Hz = 0.2 meters = 7.87 inches
Example 4:
Determine the wavelength at 2 GHz (Close proximity to many 4G LTE Bands).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 2.0 x 109 Hz = 0.15 meters = 5.9 inches
Example 5:
Determine the wavelength at 2.45 GHz (WiFi, first resonant frequency of a water molecule/ operating frequency of a microwave oven).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 2.45 x 109 Hz = 0.122 meters = 4.8 inches
Example 6:
Determine the wavelength at 5 GHz (WiFi upper band).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 5 x 109 Hz = 0.06 meters = 2.36 inches
Example 7:
Determine the wavelength at 14 GHz (Approximate Satellite TV and Internet).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 14 x 109 Hz = 0.021 meters = 0.843 inches
Example 8:
Determine the wavelength at 28 GHz (5G in China, Europe, Verizon).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 28 x 109 Hz = 10.7 millimeters = 0.421 inches
Example 9:
Determine the wavelength at 39 GHz (AT&T 5G).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 39 x 109 Hz = 7.7 millimeters = 0.303 inches
Example 10:
Determine the wavelength at 60 GHz (WiFi, Unlicensed Frequency Band).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 60 x 109 Hz = 5 millimeters = 0.303 inches
Example 11:
Determine the wavelength at 90 GHz (Crowd Control machine that makes skin feel like it’s on fire).
λ = v/f = 3 x 108 m/s / 90 x 109 Hz = 3.3 millimeters = 0.13 inches
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What is wavelength? It is the length of the electromagnetic wave. From examples 1 through 11, we can see that as we increase frequency the wavelength gets smaller. In general, the longer the wavelength the deeper it will penetrate into your body. The shorter the wavelength the less it will penetrate. 90 GHz penetrates to a depth that makes your skin feel like it’s on fire. T-Mobile’s 400 MHz 5G has a long wavelength that will penetrate very deep into your body. Everything else is somewhere in between. Human blood is very good at converting radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter waves into heat. This is the basic premise on which many medical devices work.
These waves will undoubtedly induce currents into nerves, since they are ultimately conductors. We can only speculate what the outcome may be, but the possibilities are near infinite. Anxiety, insomnia, depression, ADHD are all neurological. Disrupting nerve signals and replacing them with radiofrequency waves may also cause things like Irritable bowel syndrome and all of these “new diseases” that have emerged in the last 10 or 20 years.
Let’s summarize what we have learned so far.
• Lower frequencies have longer wavelengths that penetrate deep.
• Higher frequencies have shorter wavelengths that do not penetrate deep.
Before we get into specifics about 5G and the coronavirus, let’s first talk about how you can protect yourself from these radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter waves. Do not attempt to use metal except in limited applications and circumstances. You can inadvertently set up a cavity resonance by using metal and generate very strong fields and make things worse. There is also a 7.83 Hz field that exists everywhere in the universe. If you isolate a person from this field by using a thick steel Faraday Cage you will die in about 3 to 4 weeks. Please don’t try this at home and, if you do, you were forewarned. If you must completely isolate yourself, an earth-mound house or a house built into the side of a mountain is much safer. It is far better to convert the waves to heat.
Carbon impregnated foam is known to be one of the best and most cost-effective ways to convert radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter waves into heat. Once converted to heat, there is no wave. Use carbon-loaded foam if you can. More is better, but you eventually run into practical limitations. Make sure you do not build perfect square and rectangles to avoid cavity resonances. Alternatively, drywall, wood, fiberglass insulation, books, furniture, mattresses, common glass and all sorts of other common stuff will convert radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter waves into heat. Remember, lower frequencies penetrate deeper and need more thickness than higher frequencies. 5G operating at 28 GHz is stopped dead in its tracks by drywall, especially at a humidity level of 55% or 60%. T-Mobile 400 MHz 5G penetrates deep and blasts right through your house and everything in it. This is why it “travels farther and delivers the strongest signal”.
If 5G 28 GHz doesn’t penetrate deep into the body, how can they get 5G to activate the coronavirus that is in your lungs?
5G PROPAGATES INTO YOUR MOUTH AND NOSTRILS,
DOWN YOUR THROAT AND INTO YOUR LUNGS. IT
WILL ALSO PROPAGATE DOWN YOUR EAR CANALS
AND EXCITE YOUR INNER EAR, THE NERVES AND
THAT ENTIRE REGION OF YOUR BRAIN THAT IS IN
CLOSE PROXIMITY TO YOUR INNER EAR.
In example 8, we determined that the wavelength of a 28 GHz microwave data carrier is 10.7 millimeters or 0.421 inches. This small wavelength will propagate through your mouth and nose openings and into your lungs, where there will be small microwave fields and currents. There will also be a lot of heat generated in this process because blood readily converts microwave fields into heat. We are going to analyze this and demonstrate that, yes, this really happens using state of the art microwave field analysis software.
I am sure you are freaking out by now and saying, “OMG, how can I stop this from happening to me?” So, before we get started on the technical deep dive, let’s discuss a simple solution about how to stop this.
This is the one instance where we advocate using metal. You can get one of those handy-dandy dust masks that everyone is wearing and cover it with some kind of metalized cloth. Copper Compression Socks can be used for this purpose. A single layer of Copper Compression Sock material covering your mouth, nose and ears will greatly reduce the 28 GHz field and offer a lot of protection. Do not wrap the cloth around the back of your head. Creating a metalized cylinder offers the opportunity to create cavity resonances, and your head will happen to be in the middle of the resonator. This is bad and we want to avoid this. Use enough to be effective and no more. Brick walls, foliage, shrubs, forest, drywall, carbon-impregnated foam are all known to stop 28 GHz microwave fields dead in their tracks. Use everything to your advantage. The main thing is if you know where the 28 GHz antennas are, you want to keep something between yourself and it to the maximum extent possible. 28 GHz fields do not penetrate automotive glass very well and you are safe to drive by one. Make sure the windows are rolled up and you will be fine.
Lets’ start with the outside of the body and then we will move onto the mouth, nose, throat and lungs. Many of the 5G deployments are using Phased Array technology. This means you can focus a lot of power into a very small area and steer it to follow a person. You can also “track” multiple people at the same time. There are 2 microwave energy sources in this situation, the cell tower transmitter and your smartphone. The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineering (IEEE) Standard C95.1-2005 states that a maximum Power Density of 10 milliWatts/ square centimeter is the maximum power density one should be exposed to. This is for 9 minutes for every 24 hours.
Now think about your cellphone. It contains a 500-milliwatt transmitter and we can assume it broadcasts out of an area that is approximately 1 cm x 3 cm area, meaning the power density is 166.67 mW/cm2. When your smartphone is against your head, the power density is 16 times higher than that recommended by the IEEE!!! Even if we assume the energy is divided equally among 5 sides of your smart phone, that is still 166.67 mW/cm2 / 5 = 33 mW / cm2 which is 3 times higher than that recommended by the IEEE. The IEEE Limit is the maximum exposure limit for a 9-minute total in a 24-hour period! If half of this is transmitted into your brain, which it is, it is still about 15 mW/ cm2 or 1.5 times the IEEE Limit! We haven’t done any real math, only rough calculations and we can see that smartphone use is not looking that safe, since it is going against the recommendations of the world’s most knowledgeable body of radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter wave communications.
The outside of your body is being illuminated with all kinds of radiofrequency and microwave signals from DC to daylight. We know this because we can look at the FCC’s Frequency Allocation Plan and see that there aren’t any unused frequencies below 20 GHz. No one has ever asked: what is the cumulative effect of being illuminated 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Answer: Who knows! In America, it is SAFE until PROVEN UNSAFE. Not only are we literally being heated by radiofrequency and microwave energy sources, we are also being fed GMOs (genetically modified organisms) in our food. Is our government really looking out for us? Who on God’s green earth are they representing? Answer: THE MONEY.
After a few detours we are now ready to start looking at how a 28 GHz microwave signal propagates down into your mouth and down your throat into your lungs. In our next article we are going to use a high-quality 3-Dimensional Electromagnetic Field Solver to analyze this and present results. We will start with a simple case and move into more complex problems. The first case will be a simple 1” long cylinder of sea water (saline solution) that is 0.3” inside diameter and 0.4” outer diameter to approximate the ear canal. We can then define the cylinder as blood and see how much signal gets to the bottom of the ear canal, as well as how much gets turned into heat along the way.
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ENTRAINMENT:
OF DNA
AND
FUNCTION
AND THOUGHTS/EMOTIONS
HOW DO YOU GUYS KEEP MISSING THE ENTRAINMENT PATHOLOGY AVAILABLE via FREQUENCIES WHICH DIRECTLY RESONATE DNA, CELLS, AND EVEN THOUGHTS?
While your post makes no since i do suspect that you are partially correct in that this has something to do with using frequencies for brain entrainment purposes.
“While your post makes no since i do suspect…”
Quite the brain trust you’re cobbling together here, Jim! Forgive me for pointing out that while your numbers are up, your quality has taken a decided nose dive in the comments department.
This keeps up, I hope you got a long term strategy for righting this vessel!
Well, every time you show up, the morality and intelligence of the site recede, Scrote.
Sounds like something you should talk to your priest about. Also, I’ve been here daily for YEARS. I’m not the common denominator in this clusterfuck of mediocrity. This is a RECENT event.
It’s sense.
The one gift that can never be given.
The device used to entrain your dna is also entraining your mind on top of the lie programming.
Crazy, that the device people use to try and be aware, to prepare for calamity, is causing the calamity.
“Once converted to heat, there is no wave.”
Which is why there is no such thing as night vision goggles.
“If you isolate a person from this field by using a thick steel Faraday Cage you will die in about 3 to 4 weeks. ”
Have you tried feeding them?
If I isolate another person in a Faraday cage, why will I die?
And why will it take 3 to 4 weeks after I kidnap and imprison this person?
I just need me one of those 90GHz. anti-personnel guns…
flamethrowers are cheaper, easier to get and make the skin feel like it’s on fire as well.
Try one of those instead.
You doubt the author? Shame on you – it’s common knowledge that if you put someone in a Faraday cage for a month, they’ll die.
Kind of explains why sailors in engineering spaces die inside after three or four weeks.
I think it has more to do with command BS than anything else. Hot miserable, wiping oil all day only to be told you have to be here, there, this unrep, that refueling, this flight ops instead of getting your prized 4 hours of sleep that night.
And any astronauts who spend 3 or 4 weeks in the ISS (which is also a Faraday Cage) will die too, right? Omg. This guy must be clinically INSANE! Rotflmao
So that’s why women are crazy.
Whol e f__k
Well, that was silly nonsense. I do enjoy reading articles from people that have never studied physics. Maybe I missed it, what were absorption wavelengths of the cells in the human body again?
Wow are you dumb!
“Human blood is very good at converting radiofrequency, microwave and millimeter waves into heat.”
Okay, so now tell us how much “heat” a 2 Watt signal (=cell phone max antenna power) can produce in your blood! 😀
“There is also a 7.83 Hz field that exists everywhere in the universe. If you isolate a person from this field by using a thick steel Faraday Cage you will die in about 3 to 4 weeks.” 😂 🤣
because after you cage them for 4 weeks they will kill you for it, you silly !!!
I’m sorry, but I can’t take on one more thing to worry about.
Sounds like you found your comfort zone and are anxious about its inherent instability.
Actually, it’s called Fear Fatigue
Call it whatever you like, if it wasn’t comfortable, NO ONE would stay there. It’s the same reason that nothing has been fixed…yet.
Let life truly put you in pain and I guarantee you you’ll become the most motivated person you know. That moment is coming for all of us, collectively AND individually…if it hasn’t already arrived.
I have little doubt that being bombarded with various microwave signals has some detrimental effect on our physical health.
How much and in what strength and exposure times are loaded with extreme variables .
Location , Location , Location ???
Living outside a large city in a home with several layers of dense insulation and drywall I’m not to concerned !
Obviously my interest is peaked but admittedly the plethora of technical information needs some tweaking .
The message in this article seems buried for most of us knuckle dragging average people .
The answer is simple: STOP being an average knuckle dragger!
Lead the way, O Great One!
Central Scrutinizer : Thank you Mr Know It All . I’m sure you do not completely comprehend every technical detail !
You definitely don’t recognize a bit of self deprecating sarcastic humor .
I see. I’m to always respect YOUR RIGHT to tell a bad joke, but it’s not all right for ME to make one. That about cover it, Adolph?
Try not being stupid.
can’t stand the competition?
Well, thank God for some diversity up in this bitch! This topic ought to be worth six months of jabbering bullshit. Enough to give us some relief from the 3 stories we’ve endured for the last 4 years.
I heartily approve! Let’s all learn about electronics!
CS-it’s more about physics. Bone up on e- and h-fields; test is in the morning.
Well…it’s morning.
I was hoping to begin with scalar wave propagation and a discussion of zero point energy.
We live on an isolated sea island that is served 5G via fiber optic cable. 1 GIG, hard wired. 3G, maybe 4G when out of wifi range, thank Gawd.
There is no 5G served by fiber optic cable. 5G is a radio communications protocol.
If they can install 3G and 4G they can install 5G. It’s just a matter of them getting around to it. You are no more isolated than anyone else living outside of city limits.
Uh. Lamont? IF you’re “out of wifi range” ?
You got ZERO G.
I just don’t see how there can be anything so injurious/deadly ‘everywhere’ unavoidable by all humans and maybe all living creatures, so therefore unavoidable by perps themselves TOO.
We must be missing something about the effects and/or targeted use within the blanketing of the earth with this technology.
Like the assertions that the, self assembling nano-particles in the Cov-Shot will burst open and distribute Marbugs and Ebola into the host blood stream. No one seems to have actually conducted the experiment to prove the hypothesis.
Or the fear that JN1 will kill millions. I hate the whole Covid crime scene, but also hate the continual fear-mongering. Sure, the Deep State is evil, but we can and will beat them. Fear just saps morale and the strength to act.
“There is also a 7.83 Hz field that exists everywhere in the universe.”
As soon as I read that statement, a red flag went up!
7.83 Hz is the Schumann resonance primary frequency and only applies to the Earth’s atmosphere, between the surface and the ionosphere!
From that point on, I took what I read with a grain of salt.
Also…there is the ‘base pH level’ of 7.83; an interesting “coincidence”! Here is the ‘Google’ :https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+pH+7.83&rlz=1CAEVJI_enCA1092&oq=what+is+pH+7.83&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEwOTEwajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Once you add that to the ‘equation…’ interesting hey? 😉
You are obviously an idiot — plain and simple! Rotflmao
Schumann resonance has found a number of interesting potential applications in health, hi fidelity listening, brain function, and it is even claimed to exist on celestial bodies in the solar system and likely beyond. Said to be caused primarily by frequent cloud to ground lightening strikes around the world but also by earthquake activity and theoretically by asteroid strikes (ask the dinosauers for confirmation about that one).
Lots of background information can be found on algore’s internet. The link here regards a health related study done in Japan but is more useful for its background information about the resonance concept.
There is speculation that because the earth:ionosphere waveguide yields different resonance frequencies over time there can be differing effects experienced by receptors of the resonances-humans included. In effect, frequency variation (or frequency pulling) of the Schumann resonance can lead to ups and downs of the human psyche, among other things.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2656447/
Yeah quite a few glaring bloopers in the article, it’s almost like they want you to think it’s all nonsense…
Everything is baby and bathwater always.
One thing our side is really good at is fear porn. I’ve got real problems to worry about, so no thanks.
Trying to figure whether this is a Babylon Bee post in disguise…
It’s definitely dumb enough to be a Babylon Bee joke post, but it’s also not even remotely funny, so no… just no. This is simply abject stupidity from someone pretending to be intelligent.
Obviously digging for MONEY!
This article is full of “facts” that really don’t make any difference. As the first rule of toxicology goes, the dose makes the poison. And the dose of radiation that you get is very weak, and it gets weaker by the inverse square of the distance between you and the transmitter. So an already weak signal that is, say, 2 Watts at 1 inch from the transmitter, is only 5 milliwatts – 5 thousandths of a Watt – when you’re 20 inches away, and when you’re 200 inches away – a little over 16 feet – the signal strength is only 0.0005 Watts, 50 microwatts, 50 millionths of a Watt. And you are usually even farther away so the signal strength is even less. In any case the air is full of radio frequency emissions, most of them very weak, in the microwatt range or even less. Sunlight, which is at a much higher frequency, when it reaches the Earth has about 340 Watts per square meter, much more than most radio waves whose strength is measured in microwatts or even nanowatts, billionths of a Watt.
Much ado about nothing. Don’t stick your head in a microwave, though, that would not be a good idea. But you have nothing to fear from non-ionizing radiation.
Aw cmon, man. If you’re considering voting for Joe Biden, you should definitely stick your empty head into the microwave for at least 1o minutes on the “high” setting.
Note : be sure to stick some wadded up tinfoil into your ears first to keep those nasty 5G microwaves out! Rotflmao
Name one person who is happier or has a more fulfilling life because of the “smart” phone. EVERYONE I know was happier in the 90’s before these things took a shit on life.
your local NSA agent is happier and with a more fulfilling life because everyone has a smartphone. does that count?
The FBI and the CIA also find it much easier to track down dangerous religious parents and right-wing “insurrectionists” via their smartphones.
Unfortunately, that same technology can’t be used to charge and indict any of the 2000 leftist Mules who stuffed the collection boxes with fake Biden ballots to install their pedophilic Retard-in-Chief!
Bill collectors are much happier. They can now pester you anywhere — even when you’re in the john at work! LOL
Can 5G cause flu-like symptoms and can it be used to activate the Coronavirus?
5G map overlaid on John Hopkins Covid map April 2020. Courtesy… me, from my blog. The dots have numbers in them that correspond to the number of 5G Towers in the region.
In other news…
There is no Covid. And this was/is all a con. If you can’t smell the fear inducement in it, I can’t help you.
So, who had the Covid and had their blood drawn and the Covid purified and isolated and told… there it is, you have the Covid? Haven’t had an answer in 4 years.
The Keepers Of The Virus keep the virus alive to justify their “vaccine”.
How can you “keep alive” that which does not exist?
It just seems to me that it is FAR easier to cook up a story than it would be to cook up a virus.
Viruses are not actually alive. In such a context, “live” simply means capable of infecting and reproducing itself in a host organism. “Viable” or “infectious” are the preferred terms.
5G is the scapegoat to divert the attention off the deadly vaccine.
My background is radiation biophysics. Looks like a lot of misinformation. There is probably no better Faraday cage than a submarine. They often go underwater for 6 months at a time. They all survive.
Shhh…you are being very rough on the narrative.
Why wouldn’t the shorter wavelengths(4G,3G,2G) be more destructive on cell structures than 5G?
We will have moved onto 6G and a new conspiracy will arise from that too.
Well why are X-rays more damaging than infrared.
5G has the shortest waves. So short they’re bumping up on infrared and into the visible range of some bats.
6G waves are so short that they can be blocked by virtually anything that is opaque in the visible range. It will take a mesh system just to have coverage of a normal living room. To get around this the radioheads are planning that all future IoT devices will act as mesh nodes inherently, which is their actual danger, not the radiation.
And, of course, even shorter waves are called “light.” Notice that you never see an article like this claiming that “red” is going to kill us all.
Another extremely stupid article written expressly for gullible low-information readers. It’s pathetic, really.
Summation: we’re cooked
I would like the explanation to why 4G which penetrates deeper and 3G and 2G the most haven’t killed off mankind but yet a frequency which cannot penetrate the skin is dangerous.
5G is the aspartame of the 1970’s which was supposed to have killed off mankind and billions of pounds of it consumed and we are still here. 🙂
Mankind loves scapegoats for all of life’s problems and 5G is the one of today.
Only difference between 5G and the other G’s is frequency. Much hype about nothing.
I had somebody try and tell me bat population was decreasing because of 5G. Well…too bad because bat population has been tracked and been decreasing even back in 1980…OOPS!
Today bubble gum got stuck on my foot. The cause: 5G!
You probably have more danger and exposure to decent sized amounts of wattage standing close to a microwave oven than what little is received by a 5G phone signal.
The FDA has determined that 5 milliwatts per square centimeter is not dangerous to people.
search: cancer(DOT)net
Can Using a Microwave Cause Cancer?
More exposure from wifi than 5G or any other G
Hey – how come no one talks about the headaches caused by smart power meters any more????? Surely SOMEONE must still be feeling the effects???