WILL A PROPHET ASSUME COMMAND?

“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Strauss & Howe wrote these words in 1997. They had predicted the arrival of another Crisis in this time frame in their previous book Generations, written in 1990. This wasn’t guesswork on their part. They understood the dynamics of how generations interact and how the mood of the country shifts every twenty or so years based upon the generational alignment that occurs as predictably as the turning of the seasons. The last generation that lived through the entire previous Crisis from 1929 through 1946 has virtually died off. This always signals the onset of the next Fourth Turning. The housing bubble and its ultimate implosion created the spark for the current Crisis that began in September 2008, with the near meltdown of the worldwide financial system. Just as the stock market crash of 1929, the election of Lincoln in 1860, and the Boston Tea Party in 1773 catalyzed a dramatic mood change in the country, the Wall Street created financial collapse in 2008 has ushered in a twenty year period of agony, suffering, war and ultimately the annihilation of the existing social order.

We have experienced the American High (Spring) from 1946 until 1964, witnessing America’s ascendancy as a global superpower. We survived the turbulent Consciousness Revolution Awakening (Summer) from 1964 until 1984, as Vietnam era protests morphed into yuppie era greed. The Long Boom/Culture Wars Unraveling (Fall) lasted from Reagan’s Morning in America in 1984 until the 2008 Wall Street/Federal Reserve spawned crash. The pessimism built to a crescendo as worry about rising violence and incivility, widening wealth inequality, and the splitting of the national consensus into extremes on the left and right, led the country into a winter of discontent. The Global Financial Crisis (Winter) has arrived in full fury and is likely to last until the late 2020’s. It will be an era of upheaval, financial turbulence, economic collapse, war, and the complete redefinition of society, as the existing corrupt status quo is swept away in the fury of powerful hurricane winds of change. History is cyclical and we’ve entered the most dangerous season, when the choices we make as a nation will have profound long lasting implications to the lives of future unborn generations.

The linear thinkers and so called progressives who believe that history charges relentlessly forward and human ingenuity overcomes all obstacles as the world becomes progressively richer, advanced, and humane ignore the lessons of history that have been re-written every 80 to 100 years for centuries. Generational theory is so simple that even an Ivy League intellectual economist, corrupt congressman, or CNBC anchor bimbo could grasp the basic concept. The four turnings in the ongoing cycle of history match a long human life. There is a reason we forget the lessons of the past. Those who remember the lessons die off after 80 years. The linear thinking status quo keep predicting an improving economy based upon their beliefs that the next fifteen years will proceed in a similar fashion to the last fifteen years. They refuse to acknowledge we’ve entered a new era that cannot be reversed to a previous point in time. Once you’ve experienced the harsh bitter winds of the Winter, you have to deal with months of depressing darkness, harsh conditions, and stormy weather before experiencing the return of the warm breezes of Spring. The tranquil days of autumn are long gone. This dynamic can be clearly visualized by comparing our economic situation in 2007, prior to entering this Fourth Turning, to our economic situation today:

End of Unraveling in 2007 versus fourth year of Crisis in 2012

  • In 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6%; 146 million people, or 63% of the working age population, were employed; and 78 million Americans were not in the labor force. Today, after three years of “recovery”, the unemployment rate is 7.9%; 143 million people, or 58.8% of the working age population are employed; and 88 million Americans are not in the labor force.
  • Real median household income was $55,039 in 2007. It has fallen by 8.2% to $50,502 today.
  • BLS reported inflation has risen by 12% since 2007. True inflation has risen at twice that rate.
  • Median net worth in 2007 was $126,400. By 2010 it had fallen to $77,300, a 39% drop in three years. As of today, it may be a few thousand dollars higher as stock prices have risen and home prices have stopped falling.
  • In 2007 there were 5.7 million existing homes sold at a median price of $218,900. Today there are 4.3 million existing homes being sold at a median price of $183,900. Over 1 million of these home sales are foreclosures or short sales, as 30% of all the homes with a mortgage in the country owe more than their house is worth.
  • Federal government spending in 2007 was $2.73 trillion. Federal government spending today is $3.8 trillion, a 39% increase in five years. GDP in 2007 was $14.2 trillion. Today GDP is $15.8 trillion, an 11% increase in five years. Approximately 25% of the GDP increase is due to increased government spending.
  • Government entitlement transfers totaled $1.7 trillion in 2007. Today they total $2.4 trillion, a 41% increase in five years. Interest income paid to senior citizens and savers totaled $1.25 trillion in 2007. Today interest income totals $985 billion, a 21% decrease in five years. Wall Street bankers needed the money to pay themselves bonuses, so Ben Bernanke obliged.
  • The annual deficit in 2007 totaled $161 billion. Today, the annual deficit is $1.1 trillion. We add $3 billion per day to the national debt as a gift to unborn generations.
  • The national debt in 2007 was $9 trillion. Today the national debt is $16.3 trillion, an 81% increase in five years. The national debt will reach $20 trillion during the next presidential term. Normalization of interest rates to 2007 levels would result in annual interest expense of $1 trillion, or 40% of current government revenues.

There is nothing normal about our current economic situation. The unfunded liabilities at the Federal, State and local levels of government accumulate to over $200 trillion. Do the facts detailed above lead you to believe we can return to pre-2007 normal in the near future, or ever? Not only has the economic situation of the country deteriorated enormously, the very culprits who created the disaster are more powerful than they were before the global catastrophe caused by their criminal risk taking. The largest Wall Street banks control 74% of all the deposits in the country, up from 66% in 2007, and double the levels from the mid-1990’s. These bastions of capitalism wield all of the power in this country, dictating who wins elections, who writes the laws, and who benefits from the distribution of wealth. Only in a corrupt, crony-capitalist, citadel of kleptocracy could the perpetrators of the greatest theft of national wealth in the history of mankind be rewarded with taxpayer financed bailouts, the ability to borrow an unlimited amount of fiat currency at 0% from a Central Bank they control, write the new banking regulations and be applauded by their corporate mainstream media for becoming even Too Bigger to Fail. This Fourth Turning will ultimately come down to a clash between the people and the Wall Street filth.

 

Those in power today are using their ample wealth and control over the legal, economic and political systems to pretend that an epic crisis does not beckon at our doorstep. Propaganda and media spin cannot avert the brutally hard choices that must be made over the next fifteen years. The existing system is unsustainable. It can either be changed by choice or after a complete collapse. We haven’t reached the point of regeneracy yet when civic purpose begins to strengthen. The outcome of this presidential election will determine the next phase of this Crisis. Strauss & Howe described the normal course of a crisis in 1997:

“A CRISIS arises in response to sudden threats that previously would have been ignored or deferred, but which are now perceived as dire. Great worldly perils boil off the clutter and complexity of life, leaving behind one simple imperative: The society must prevail. This requires a solid public consensus, aggressive institutions, and personal sacrifice. People support new efforts to wield public authority, whose perceived successes soon justify more of the same. Government governs, community obstacles are removed, and laws and customs that resisted change for decades are swiftly shunted aside. A grim preoccupation with civic peril causes spiritual curiosity to decline. Public order tightens, private risk-taking abates, and crime and substance abuse decline. Families strengthen, gender distinctions widen, and child-rearing reaches a smothering degree of protection and structure. The young focus their energy on worldly achievements, leaving values in the hands of the old. Wars are fought with fury and for maximum result.” The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

Clearly this country has not reached a common consensus and is split 50%/50% on most important issues. Debates about the role of government are waged with vitriolic passion, but the reality is that, as in past Fourth Turnings, the government has already assumed a greater level of power and control over our lives. The majority believe that government can protect them, provide for them, and pay their way. This is a delusion which will be revealed as fraudulent and mathematically impossible. The incompetent government preparation prior to Superstorm Sandy and the dysfunctional, bureaucratic and painfully slow response afterward are opening the eyes of many people. The decisions which are yet to be made are what kind of society shall we be and who will be required to sacrifice to achieve a positive outcome at the end of this Crisis. Turnings are driven by a mood change in the country and the constellation of generations at that point in time. The generations are now aligned as they always are during a Crisis:

  • Boomers entering elderhood
  • Gen-Xers entering midlife
  • Millennials entering young adulthood
  • Homelanders entering childhood

History does not repeat but it does rhyme, because of the cyclical nature of human experience. The specific events that drive this Crisis are unknowable, but the generational response to these events can be predicted with uncanny accuracy. Each generation will play its assigned role during this Crisis. The current generational configuration will propel events and create a feedback loop that will change the course of human history on a scale consistent with the Depression/World War II, the Civil War and the American Revolution.

“What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.” The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

The mood of the country continues to blacken. A simmering anger boils beneath the surface of an everyday façade of normalcy. The middle class majority is being squeezed in a vice, with the rich powerful plutocrats on Wall Street and in Washington DC stealing their hard earned net worth through financial scams, the gutting of our industrial base and a tax system designed to benefit those who write the laws on one side and the parasitic willfully ignorant underclass that is sustained only through the extraction of taxes from the working middle class on the other side. Our society has become a hunger games tournament, with the few benefitting while the many scramble to survive. The stench of class warfare is in the air. The generational resentment and rage is palatable as the Millenial generation has taken on a trillion dollars of student loan debt at the behest of the Federal government, Wall Street and older generations, only to graduate into a jobless economy. The generational contract has been broken, as the older generations will not or cannot leave the workforce due to their own financial missteps. Younger generations are being denied entry level positions, even as the older generations expect them to fund their retirements and healthcare. This presidential election will only exacerbate the anger, disappointment, bitterness and fury among the populace, no matter who wins.

Prophets & Nomads

Can generational theory predict who will win the presidential election? Probably not, but based upon historical precedent, during times of Crisis the country usually turns to a Prophet generation leader who provides a new vision and summons the moral authority to lead. This leader may not have the right vision or have the backing of the entire population, but he is not afraid to take bold action. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was despised by many, but he boldly led the country during the last Crisis. Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 election with only 39.8% of the popular vote, but he unflinchingly did whatever he thought was necessary to achieve victory and preserve the union. Prophet leaders like Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin offered the sense of moral urgency required to sustain the American Revolution. Strauss & Howe give a historical perspective on Prophet generations.

“Prophet generations are born after a great war or other crisis, during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-crisis era, come of age as narcissistic young crusaders of a spiritual awakening, cultivate principle as moralistic mid-lifers, and emerge as wise elders guiding another historical crisis. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their coming-of-age passion and their principled elder stewardship. Their principle endowments are often in the domain of vision, values, and religion. Their best-known historical leaders include John Winthrop, William Berkeley, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover, and Franklin Roosevelt. These were principled moralists, summoners of human sacrifice, and wagers of righteous wars. Early in life, few saw combat in uniform; later in life, most came to be revered more for their inspiring words than for their grand deeds.” The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

 

 

Barack Obama was born in 1961. According to the Strauss & Howe generational distinctions, this makes him an early Gen-Xer. His life story matches that of the Nomad archetype. His chaotic early life, confused upbringing by an array of elders, frenetic alienated early adulthood as a community organizer, and his rise to power through his public speaking talent and pragmatic ability to achieve his agenda is a blueprint for a Nomad. Mitt Romney was born in 1947 and grew up during the American High. His childhood was idyllic and privileged. His moral Mormon youth as a missionary eventually devolved into his yuppie “greed is good” career at Bain Capital acquiring companies, making them more efficient (firing Americans & hiring Asians), and spinning them off, while siphoning millions in fees. He has tried to convince Americans to vote for him, based upon his business acumen and moral lifestyle, as the cure for what ails America. With the continued downward spiral of societal mood, record low trust in Congress and 60% of Americans thinking the country is on the wrong track, the odds should favor the Prophet candidate. The 40% of Americans who think the country is on the right track are a tribute to our awful government run public education system or are smoking crack.

The Barack Obama presidency has many similarities to the one-term presidencies of Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan. Both men were overwhelmed by rapidly deteriorating events, an inability to understand the true nature of the Crisis, and failure to inspire the American people to rally behind a common cause. Both men drifted off into obscurity and are overwhelmingly acknowledged as two of the least successful presidents. The men who succeeded them are ranked by historians at the top of the list, even though they are both despised by more libertarian minded citizens as proponents of big government solutions and control. Libertarians will not be happy with developments over the next fifteen years. This Crisis is an era in which America’s corrupt social order will be torn down and reconstructed from the ground as a reaction to the unsustainable financial pyramid scheme which is an existential threat to the nation’s very survival. Civic authority will revive, cultural manifestation will find a community resolution, and citizens will begin to associate themselves as adherents of a larger cluster.   

Barack Obama has fallen short as a Crisis leader, just as Buchanan and Hoover fell short. Buchanan also tried to maintain the status quo and not address the key issues of the day – secession and slavery. His handling of the financial Panic of 1857 led to annual deficits that exceeded 13% of GDP during his entire presidency. His legacy is one of failure and hesitation. Hoover was a technocrat with an engineering background who failed to recognize the extent of the suffering by the American people during the early stages of the Great Depression. It is a false storyline that he did not attempt to use the power of the Federal government to address the economic crisis. Federal spending increased by over 20% during his term and he was running a deficit when Roosevelt assumed power. Hoover was an activist president who began the public works programs that FDR expanded and dramatically increased taxes on the rich and corporations in 1932.

Obama inherited a plunging economic situation and proceeded to make choices that will make this Crisis far worse than it needed to be. He has failed miserably in addressing the core elements of this Crisis that were foreseen by Strauss and Howe over a decade before the initial spark in 2008. Debt, civic decay, rising wealth inequality due to the rise of our plutocracy, and global disorder are the underlying basis for this Crisis. Obama’s response was to run record deficits driving the national debt skyward, failing to address the unfunded entitlement liabilities that loom on the horizon, bowing down before the Wall Street mobsters and paying their ransom demands, layering on more complexity and unfunded healthcare liabilities to an already teetering government system, and extending our policing the world foreign policy at a cost of $1 trillion per year. A Crisis requires a bold leader who makes tough choices and leads. Obama has proven to not be that leader. Based on historical precedent and the rapidly deteriorating mood of the country, it would be logical for the country to select Romney, a Prophet generation leader.

No Escape   

“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

No matter who wins the election, there will be no turning back. It isn’t Morning in America anymore. It is more like Midnight in America on a bitterly cold dark February night as the gale force winds begin to gust, foretelling the approach of an epic winter blizzard. There are no easy solutions. The opportunity to alleviate the impact of this Crisis was during the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, and we made all the wrong choices. Now we will pay the price. An era of depression and violence will be ushered in by an economic calamity that will make 2008 look like a minor blip. The next president will still be presiding over a country divided 50%/50%, with little or no common ground on most of the key issues that must be confronted. But, as we’ve seen in previous Crisis periods, bold leadership and history making decisions did not require consensus or even majority support. Only 10% of the colonial population drove the American Revolution. Lincoln was despised by half the country and not exactly loved by everyone in the North. FDR’s popular support progressively declined during his four terms in office. It is the Fourth Turning events, not the nation, which elevates the person to the apex of power. The regeneracy of the nation will occur during the next presidential term.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

The Millenial generation is coming of age faced with the burdens of $1 trillion of student loan debt, a stagnant job market clogged by the Boomer generation that can’t afford to retire because they never got around to saving, ever increasing taxes to fund the promises made to their elders by politicians, and an unfunded entitlement liability of $100 trillion for healthcare and pension benefits they will never see. The mathematical impossibility of sustaining our economic system is absolute. It will require courage, sacrifice, fortitude and a dramatic shift of our egocentric selfish culture to a culture of sustainability and caring about future generations. We’ve made many bad choices over the last few decades. Choices matter. These are the times that will try men’s souls. The choices we make as a nation over the next few years will determine whether this Fourth Turning ends in a renewal of our founding principles or tragedy. Glory or ruin – the choice is ours.

“Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

The next stage of this Crisis is likely to be ignited by a downward spiral of societal trust caused by the next financial implosion, which is certain to occur. A world built upon debt, false promises, interconnected webs of deceitful derivatives, fiat currency backed only by the promises of lying politicians and captured central bankers, and a diminishing supply of easy to access natural resources, is hopelessly dependent upon the willful ignorance of the masses. As long as people want to be lied to rather than facing the truth, those in power can maintain the status quo. Once the jarring realization of reality overwhelms the propaganda and lies of the oligarchs, the battle for middle earth will begin. What will trigger the next phase of this Crisis? No one knows for sure, but based on the fault lines already evident, these are a possibility:

  • The inevitable breakup of the European Union with the consequences of massive bank defaults in Europe triggering worldwide bank defaults as the interconnected trillions of derivatives are lit like a string of firecrackers.
  • A sudden Greece like surge in interest rates on Japanese bonds results in a collapse of their debt ridden economic system, with reverberations throughout the world.
  • The Middle East tinderbox explodes as Israel attacks Iran and the law of unintended consequences takes hold. Alliances and treaties would draw Turkey into war with Syria and Iran. Russia and China could side against the U.S. Iran and their vassals would unleash terrorist attacks and disruption of Middle Eastern oil would drive prices over $200 per barrel, crushing the American economy.
  • A showdown on the debt ceiling and/or fiscal cliff results in a stock market crash, derailing the pitiful fledgling recovery created by Ben Bernanke’s QE to infinity measures.
  • A tipping point is reached with regards to the amount of debt that can be accumulated by our Federal, State and Local governments. A cascade of defaults could lead to a loss of faith in the U.S. dollar and a surge in interest rates. The defaults and increased interest on the national debt could lead to mass depression or in a worst case scenario – hyperinflation.
  • A large terrorist attack in one or more American cities would cause chaos, panic and fear, leading to more government control over our daily lives. This could trigger a counter response by those fed up with an overbearing government presence.
  • A catastrophic natural disaster or series of natural disasters would reveal the fragile nature of our just in time economic system. A breakdown of our logistical and infrastructure systems would lead to chaos and mass hysteria as the citizens who believed their government leaders would keep them safe, secure, warm, and fed realized it was all a sham. Their leaders were in it for the power and riches, not looking out for the best interests of the common folk.

No one knows for sure what will trigger the next leg down during this Crisis, but I can guarantee you that things will not be getting better in the near future. Don’t believe the mainstream media or politicians who tell us life in the good old U.S. of A will be back to normal in the near future. And those who predict a long slow gentle decline of the American Empire that can be managed by the oligarchs are badly mistaken. That is not how things roll in a Fourth Turning. Transformative change, chaos, desperate measures, and total war will propel our nation through this cataclysmic saeculum and a positive outcome is not assured. An armed conflict – class war, sectional war, religious war, or war for oil – will be waged at some point and fought to the finish. Fourth Turning wars do not end inconclusively. Each Fourth Turning war has resulted in greater destruction and more horrendous numbers of human casualties. The trials and tribulations that await this nation over the next fifteen years will challenge every living generation to play their roles and bravely confront the tasks needed to reach a new High, just as their ancestors did.

“History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

For those who doubt generational theory and believe history is a linear path of human progress, I would point to the last week of chaos, disarray, government dysfunction, and misery of those who didn’t prepare for Superstorm Sandy, as a prelude to the worst of this Crisis. The lack of preparation by government officials and citizens, death, destruction, panic, anger, helplessness and realization of how fragile our system has become is a perfect analogy to our preparation for this Fourth Turning. The brittleness of our infrastructure and lack of redundancy in our systems has left us vulnerable to any large storm. Building mansions yards from a dangerous unpredictable sea is akin to allowing Wall Street bankers to create interconnected financial derivatives which will ultimately result in a great worldwide flood that will obliterate billions of wealth. Going decades without upgrading our power grid, transportation systems, or storm protection is akin to allowing our unfunded entitlement liabilities to accumulate to such an extreme level that it will be impossible to honor and the coming storm will swamp those depending on those promises. The lack of foresight by citizens in having food, water, and backup sources of power and heat in case of an emergency is akin to the millions of people that have lived the good life in debt up to their eyeballs while never saving for a rainy day or their retirement. When the rainy day arrives they panic and demand to be saved by an inept bureaucratic government.

Winter has arrived. The gathering storm is about to strike. Are you prepared?

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

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soul_searcher
soul_searcher
November 7, 2012 5:14 pm

Massive leverage has brought us to this place. The Fed, working with the Treasury and Congress, has chosen to use increasing inflation (in the form of massive deficit government spending) to lower our standard of living to a more reasonable level. Holding interest rates down helps ease the immediate pain, but commodity prices will continue to rise faster than real wages. It’s really as simple as that. Deficit spending is a way to spread taxation evenly without having to ask for permission. It’s regressive, but it works. We all just have to accept the fact that credit bubbles eventually burst.

ThePessimisticChemist
ThePessimisticChemist
November 7, 2012 5:19 pm

@Jim

“Time to do the hard part, breaking away from the comfort zone and even harder is convincing the maternal part of the family that a hard wind is gonna blow….”

I’m running into a similar issue on the homefront. I’ve found educating (without sounding preachy) is the key. Now when I talk about getting enough land to have a decent farm on it, she doesn’t flinch. When I mention staying away from high population zones, she agrees.

Kepi
Kepi
November 7, 2012 7:01 pm

@SAH, sorry I missed your comment earlier.

I’ll agree with you that strip, slash, and burn should be the Gen X MO, and fits with them as a Nomadic archtype. However, I’m surprised that you don’t see it as creativity and an artform. When I think of Gen X artists, I think of the punk rock groups I grew up on who responded to arena rock with the simple question of “Why play 12 chords when you can just play 3?” Or the Grunge era groups who used a moment of silence to counter balance their stark, stripped sound to make a point of emphasis, or hell, even my step-brother’s drag car (“Well, my idea was to take everything in there that didn’t absolutely need to be in there out. So it’s kinda like a muscle car with a lighter, newer frame and body, which means I’ve lightened it so my small block can take most of those big blocks on”).

Now, that’s what the MO should be, and sometimes it is. But all too often most of the Gen Xers I know don’t operate on that. They’re like Mark Danielwinski writing House of Leaves, Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, or Radio Head playing Kid A. Tenacious, meticulous, and unneccessarily complex making high concept points and forgoing what should be the standard MO of slash, strip, and burn.

That’s not saying that they’re bad people or that they do bad work or that it’s their fault. I love House of Leaves, crime started to plummet as Gen X came of age (implying that high criminality is the trait of boomers on average, as they’d be aging out of it at the time), and they were severely over eclipsed by the sheer amount of boomers. That is to say, however, that I just don’t think they can get the job done. The demographics stacked against them and it warped them from what they’re supposed to be and I just doubt enough of them can heed the call of the crisis era.

And the Millennials are supposed to be good, no doubt, but they’re also supposed to be builders and when it comes to revolting, they’re supposed to heed the call. Here’s where I’ll call out Occupy again, a largely Millennial movement. Their idea of sticking it to the man is camping out (often while maintaining a day job) and trying to “raise awaremess” and to “raise the consciousness” of their opponents, the bad guys. They’re not acting like dragon slaying heroes or even rank and file troops. They’re just acting like fodder.

Again, not their fault, there’s just no way for them to simultaneously do what needs to be done and avoid stigma and labelling from the never satisfied boomers whose ideals all too frequently have nothing to do with reality. I mean, the occupy movement itself suffers tremendous stigma already, and all they’re doing is taking an extended camping trip.

As a guy whose cusp X/Millennial, I really don’t see how either generation is going to make it, and mostly because they refuse to stand up to the boomers and put them in their place. They cowtow to them and let them be boss without ever once letting them hear about their failures or moving them out of the way to make room for folks who can get the job done. On a societal level, it’s the equivalent of impacted bowels.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
November 7, 2012 7:15 pm

A Prophet will Assume the Position:

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soul_searcher
soul_searcher
November 7, 2012 10:00 pm

I’ve accepted the way things are going forward: Those who “get in” on the money printing gravy train will be just fine. That’s my plan on a small scale, and that’s what the 1% is doing on a massive scale. They are spending billions in an attempt to funnel even more of the people’s money into their various stash locations. A careful study of Romney’s tax plan lines-up perfectly with that. The 1% lost big last night, but they only have to win a few times to really f*ck the masses over. I’m preparing to live in a nation where corporations continue to receive welfare on grand scale that increases to the point where something gives. At that point the average Joe just might be willing to risk everything (not much by then) to string the bastards up.

therooster
therooster
November 7, 2012 11:42 pm

soul_searcher …. do you not realize that debt-free store of value can now be made instantly liquid ?
Said another way, inflation-proof money with asset based value which is intrinsic to real economic activity can now be made highly liquid in a debt-free context. This had never occurred before the mid 1990’s.

themanfromporlock
themanfromporlock
November 8, 2012 6:39 pm

That’s a good article, thanks very much.
Strauss and Howe state the pretty obvious well, but prophesising a Prophet using prophetic prose is a bit too much prophesy really.
In longer term history, history does indeed repeat itself but the pace of change in the world environment skyrocketed with the arrival of the USA. A 200 year long ELE?

Matt
Matt
November 8, 2012 8:02 pm

A Nomad. Fuck. 🙁

Kepi
Kepi
November 8, 2012 9:23 pm

Actually, I’ve been thinking about the implications of a nomad leader and what it means, here is my conclusion:

Human beings are story telling creatures. In our post modern culture, we’ve been told that it is facts that matter, and that all stories are intrinsically false. This is the result of years of post modern philosophy’s influence on our society. Even though most people never get the education, post modern philosophy has directed all our cultural narratives by shooting holes in them, and changing their courses, meanwhile constructing other twisted internal narratives within them (3rd wave feminism and conspiracy theory anti-government/illuminatiesque being examples from the left and right respectively).

Now, Nomads are the only archtype who are skeptical of narratives as a rule. That’s why they’re skeptic/survivalists without lofty goals or ideals. The choice of a Nomad leader is indicative of either a rejection of all naratives (an impossibility) or an indication that people don’t believe in the dominant narratives as presented by any side (meaning the democrats and the republicans baseline narratives, among all other dominant narratives ring untrue for most people).

Now, narratives are important because they tell us where we’ve been and where we’re going. If you don’t have one, a Nomad leader makes sense, as it doesn’t matter what you’re doing, you don’t have a direction and the only thing matters is keeping your boat alfoat. That’s where most Americans are at. Liberalism and Conservativism have both been declared intellectual failures by most thinkers throughout the last 70, but especially within the last 10, years. Democrats were declared dead in the post 9/11 world, and Obama’s presidential nomination can be seen as firther evidence of that (as everyone thought it would be Hillary, but the truth is most people don’t trust her), and the Republicans were declared dead in 2008, the tea party’s rise and subsequent fall showing that.

Both parties are dead in terms of Americans trusting their narratives. Obama is there because he offers vague plattitudes instead of ideals (hope, change, 4 more years to get our drivers lisence) as a place holder, to ensure that the boat stays afloat while America finds a narrative that fits her. And that’s what we’ll be doing for 4 more years. We’ll be groping for a story we can tell that works for the majority of people, represents a direction they want to go in. As most of the time, the prophet isn’t necessary until the last phase of the game (last 5-6 years), this will hopefully serve the purpose of just keeping that boat floating.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
November 9, 2012 2:37 am

“RE-

Scary stuff man. It’s safe to say, IMO, that EVEs are normal. An increase in ocean acidity will kill lots, but not everything. Single celled organisms are extremely good at adapting to things like pH. It’s like the problem with pesticides and antibiotics; you’ll kill most but invariably organisms adapt and return to “carrying capacity” population levels. Honestly though, the population has grown under artificial means, something is going to correct it. That’s my opinion at least. ”

Indeed, single cell organisms can adapt somewhat to changing acidity levels, which is why I don’t think the phytoplankton collapse as fast as shell based sea life like the Coral Reefs.

However, even that adaptation has basic chemical limitations. The whole electron transport chain series which moves the energy into ATP won’t function below a minimum pH, proteins get denatured, the whole ball of wax as far as living organisms are concerned there. Below 7, we are most certainly fooked.

The Earth has undergone a couple of Mass Extinctions, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest another one is underway right now, and may in fact be unstoppable at this point no matter what is done to try to mitigate the problem. Uber-Doomer Guy McPherson makes a pretty solid case for this, and it takes a whole lot of work to deconstruct his arguments and leave room for SOME hope here.

Even if it is unstoppable though, unless you have a Species wide Suicide Wish, it only makes sense to stop doing more stuff to contribute to already overwhelming problems, which can only hurry things along.

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RE
http://doomsteaddiner.org

Thinker
Thinker
November 9, 2012 12:04 pm

Those of you who know generational theory will find this one interesting:

Thank You for Your Service

tayronachan
tayronachan
November 9, 2012 12:13 pm

Well that scared the heck out’a me. Going to go buy more canned/dry goods. Also going to print out this article. peace

ThePessimisticChemist
ThePessimisticChemist
November 9, 2012 12:18 pm

@RE – However, even that adaptation has basic chemical limitations. The whole electron transport chain series which moves the energy into ATP won’t function below a minimum pH, proteins get denatured, the whole ball of wax as far as living organisms are concerned there. Below 7, we are most certainly fooked.
==================

While I do not disagree with your assertion that increasing ocean acidity is a problem, I do disagree with your Doom Levels for this.

A lot of cellular life exists at pH units MUCH LOWER than 7. In order to get to the point where you are hydrolyzing proteins you will need to be at…..2? 3? 4-6 is still a safe zone for a lot of microflora, and at a pH of 8 we still have a long way to go before we reach your doom levels.

The oceans will be completely fished out and full of chemicals long before then imo.

GMan
GMan
November 9, 2012 1:08 pm

Now that the election results are in……….the answer is No. A prophet will not assume command.

Doesn’t matter though, policies under either Obama or Romney won’ make a damn bit of difference.

SAH
SAH
November 9, 2012 1:34 pm

Hi Kepi – I’m a 1977 Xer, and feel like I’m on the ‘cusp’ between X and the Millennials as well. So, howdy, Bro, nice to have you here.

Re: a Prophet Gen (Boomer) leader… I don’t see the Prophet Gen leader that arises during a Crisis as any sort of savior who leads us out of the Crisis at all. The Prophet leader ensures and exacerbates the fucking Crisis that his generation has been creating for their whole lives. They hold the course and ram us right into the brick wall of destruction, with complete confidence and supposed ‘moral authority’ when they should be weeping and gnashing their fucking teeth in repentance. Let’s look at the 2 previous Great Prophet Leaders, both of whom made sure that the Crisis got as shitty as possible.

First, let’s examine FDR (a real favorite of mine – I seem to naturally hate the prophets of every Saeculum). His economic policies made the Great Depression WORSE and kept it dragging on longer. He made sure that things got as shitty as possible, while having his goddamn ‘fireside chats’ with America and spewing false hope and bald faced lies. The country DID NOT want to enter WWII, but FDR (the fucking crippled traitor) made back-room deals with Winston Churchill promising to get us into the War. The fucking crippled traitor had advanced knowledge of Pearl Harbor and let it happen, knowing that America would NOT be able to stay out of WWII. Still that crippled fucker was elected 4 times, and if he hadn’t THANKFULLY croaked, the crippled asshole would have probably made himself a dictator. We are STILL stuck with the idiotic and destructive ‘New Deal’ bullshit this Prophet asshole ushered in, and it’s still destroying our country. And to make it even worse, Prophets are so good at being self-righteous and self-promoting, that even when they are a crippled traitor with disastrous policies they come out being remembered by the stupid sheeple as ‘Great Leaders’. Bullshit. They are destroyers.

Truman and Ike were a Nomads. America made more pragmatic decisions and toned it down in the late 40s-50s, and did a hell of a lot better under the Nomads, and we finally saw the Crisis which that crippled Prophet fuck FDR turned into a shitstorm draw to a close and cleanup and flourishing began. UNDER NOMADS. The ‘Prophet Leader’ just makes the Crisis worse.

Now let’s move on to that overrated Prophet asshole Abraham Lincoln. Oh, revisionist historians paint him as some great abolitionist emancipation proclamation hero. Bullshit. That fucker 1. Did not want to free the slaves 2. Absolutely ENSURED that there would be no compromise 3. Caused the fucking Civil War 4. His main objective was to fundamentally transform America from a union of States into a massive, all-powerful FEDERAL GOVERNMENT which can fucking rule over you and kill you if you don’t like it. Lincoln destroyed the America framed by our Founding Father and gave rise to the same Federal Supremacy which is destroying us today. The Emanicpation Proclaimation was some last minute political pandering because the War wasn’t going good, Lincoln didn’t give a shit about black people – Lincoln only cared about imposing the Federal Government as supreme. Lincoln was a fucking destroyer who ensured that any State that wouldn’t bow to the Feds as supreme was destroyed and burnt to the ground, and that fully 1/3 of the young Nomad/Hero under his Prophet Generation were slaughtered by their fellow Americans. Again, the great ‘Prophet leader’ DOES NOT END THE CRISIS. They make sure to take the Worst actions to make sure that the Crisis gets as horrible as possible and kills as many people as possible.

Ulysses S Grant was a Nomad, and literally brought the Civil War Crisis to a close, both by winning the fucking war and being President during Reconstruction. Lincoln was a fuck, as all great ‘Prophet Leaders’ are during the crisis, but once again the Prophet talent for self-righteous self-promotion ensure that LINCOLN (father of the federal government monstrosity we have today) is remembered as some great guy when he was actually a destructive fuck.

Final thing I’m going to say is that Obama is part of the Prophet Generation of Boomers. I mostly agree with S&H, but their arbitrary Boomer cutoff of 1961 – with Obama born in 1961 – is arbitrary. The standard timing accepted by everyone else is that the BB ends in 1964. Obama is in the ‘Consciousness Revolution’ so deep it’s sickening. He ran on the platform “Hope And Change” – that is a Prophet Gen bunch of utopia bullshit. A genXer would NEVER run on that shit Are you kidding? He is decisively making everything worse through bold action, NOT pragmatism – he is tanking the economy, probably will get us into WWIII, and will never back down from his crazy agenda or compromise even though it’s going to destroy America. Why? Because Obama is on some crazy Boomer ‘moral crusade’ in typical Prophet Style. The election choice we had was between Romney and Obama – ALL OF YOU have acknowledged that the results would be the same. War, debt, cronyism, destruction, death. Romney and Obama were like bookends of the BabyBoomer prophets – we picked the young end to make this Crisis worse. Looking for your Prophet Crisis leader? POTUS #44 – Barack Obama, he’s going to take all our asses straight into the fire of hell. Looking for who will actually lead us out of the Crisis? Maybe a Nomad from the Ron Paul Revolution? Whoever they are, they aren’t likely on the radar yet and they SURE AS HELL WILL NOT BE A BOOMER.

Stucky
Stucky
November 9, 2012 1:48 pm

+100 to SAH’s rant.

Regarding Lincoln’s war …. EVERY historian of any repute will tell you that slavery would have ended WITHOUT a civil war.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
November 9, 2012 8:08 pm

“A lot of cellular life exists at pH units MUCH LOWER than 7. In order to get to the point where you are hydrolyzing proteins you will need to be at…..2? 3? 4-6 is still a safe zone for a lot of microflora, and at a pH of 8 we still have a long way to go before we reach your doom levels.

The oceans will be completely fished out and full of chemicals long before then imo.”-PC

True enough, however a recent study in Nature indicated a 40% decrease in Ocean Phytoplankton since 1950:

“A 2010 study published in Nature reported that marine phytoplankton have declined substantially in the world’s oceans over the past century. Phytoplankton concentrations in surface waters were estimated to have decreased by about 40% since 1950 alone, at a rate of around 1% per year, possibly in response to ocean warming.[14][15] The study generated debate among scientists and led to several communications and criticisms, also published in Nature.[16][17][18][19] That study has not been substantiated so far.”

Also, there has been a steady decline in free Oxygen percentage in the atmosphere over the same time period:

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This is a very small change incrementally, but the direction isn’t too good either. This without hitting any kind of “Tipping Point” as of yet that would crash a large percentage all at once.

RE
http://doomsteaddiner.org

Novista
Novista
November 9, 2012 9:43 pm

Thinker

Thanks for that link!

SAH

A fine rant and wholly accurate.

SSS
SSS
November 10, 2012 2:28 am

“Not too shabby response to this article: 36,000 reads on ZH with 500 comments – about 5 comments actually related to the article.”
—-Admin

Well, this is comment #200 to the article here on TBP, days after ZH (Zero Hedge) hit 500. So I win again. Lord, this gets so old. No wait, I love to win.

Good to know that Admin is hitting a wider and wider audience, and he is even reaching more and more people here on TBP. I think it’s due to newsjunkie’s pics on cats.

Shout out to GJH. I just read your responses to my comments. Get back to you soon. Stay tuned.

Thinker
Thinker
November 10, 2012 2:14 pm

If you haven’t seen it yet, Neil Howe’s recap: In the Aftermath of ‘12

Eddie
Eddie
November 10, 2012 2:26 pm

Interesting…thanks for the link. The youth vote made the difference. That’s seems to be the takeaway here.

Based on what I kept hearing from my own Millenial contacts, it wasn’t Romney’s Mormonism they hated…it was that they identified him strongly (and correctly) with the Wall Street banking elites and as a 1% er. And that they perceived him as an opportunist who was willing to flip flop on any issue to improve his polls.

Eddie
Eddie
November 10, 2012 2:48 pm

Neil Howe suggests a GenX Republican candidate going forward.

I suggest Colin Powell dressed up in a James Earle Jones suit. Or maybe the two of them (Jones and Powell) on the ticket together. Darth Vader and a real general who is about as Republican as Ike was.

If Obama steps into the deep shit of an economic crash landing, either of those gentlemen of color could become your Prophet.

davboz
davboz
November 10, 2012 7:42 pm

Enlightening and educational. Just one thing: Please don’t tarnish the name, and definition, of Capitalism. As you’ve also said clearly, it is CRONY-capitalism. It is Corporatism. Complete distortions of what the term implies yet New Democrats, Socialists, Our New American Communists, the Progressives, whatever, all want to claim we are where we are due to Capitalism.
Maybe, after the deluge, we might try actual Capitalism ~ complete with a moral integrity, allowing honest risk/reward, resulting in the strengthening of character of every individual just by participating in daily commerce.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 10, 2012 9:22 pm

The inability for people to think critically in this country is mind boggling. -admin

It has been so before Plato wrote his Allegory of the Cave.

SSS
SSS
November 11, 2012 1:31 am

SSS – “What fucking natural ecosystems aren’t we supporting which are truly critical to this nation’s survival?”

Since I can’t even tell what you’re saying here, and it doesn’t appear relevant to what I said, I won’t debate it.
—-GJH

YOU talked about the U.S. not supporting natural ecosystems, not me. So, I’m asking you. What aren’t we supporting? The Chesapeake Bay? The Great Lakes? Lake Tahoe? The famous Cuyahoaga River running through Cleveland? What fucking natural ecosystem is this country destroying or “not supporting?”

Is that clear enough for you, GJH? Or do I need to send you a walker to get through the maze? Do you want to debate it now, dickweed?

Hucklebuck
Hucklebuck
November 11, 2012 11:41 am

I don’t think I’ve been to any other site which hides comments simply for being unpopular. While any given commenter may be considered an idiot, including this one, no one’s interest is served by censorship. Particularly censorship by the mob.

I look forward to “dislikes”, a juvenile term in itself, and, eventually, “hiding”.

SSS
SSS
November 11, 2012 11:56 am

Hucklebuck steps in it and receives the standard TBP greeting.

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Watzup
Watzup
November 12, 2012 4:27 am

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Le Brit
Le Brit
November 12, 2012 6:46 am

Hey Guys this stuff is off the radar, there is debt lots of it but it is not unsurmountable. Cut back on the role of World Policeman ( once the role of Great Britain), deregulate, cut taxes and government spending and things will turn around for the better.
People on welfare should do community work, certain types of finanacial trading should be banned completely, QE should be stopped, real interest paid on savings and the benefits of shale gas and oil should be put into rebuilding the country’s infrastructure (pipes, wires, transport and roads).
It doesn’t need a visionary or great prophet just somebody with common sense, focus and the ability to drive things through taking no notice of the lobbyists and vested interest groups. Come on USA you can do it!!!!!!! The world is watching.

Novista
Novista
November 12, 2012 5:15 pm

Le Brit

If common sense prevailed, most of the congresscritters would be indicted for violating their oath of office, banksters would be in jail or adorning lampposts, and everyone would understand simple arithmetic.

Maybe the world should mind its own business, just as the U.S. should; sadly, too many countries have been living in delusion and denial and the wolf of reality is approaching the door.

Funny thing about good ideas and no power — consider that the mice never were able to bell the cat.

Kepi
Kepi
November 13, 2012 10:10 pm

SAH, I don’t have quite the hate-on for Prophetic types you do, though I agree that they create, and/or exasserbate most of the problems faced in a crisis. However they seem to do so in a way that leads to a best case scenario for the next seculum’s crisis. I mean, sure, we’d all love it if there were no authoritarian dickheads, and we could all cooperate freely (and for the most part, most of the time, people can). But there’s always going to be problems and there’s always going to be problem people (and yes, they’ll usually wind up in the prophetic archetype).

But let’s take a look at Lincoln. The guy was a dick, and he was a racist as much as any other abolitionist could be (they’re totally free to leave was the general sentiment). However, if the south had been free to negotiate it’s own trade (the real cause of the Civil War) the the north and south, no matter what format they existed in, would not be strong enough to fight and Win WWII. The Russians would have won, and they’d be king of the mountain.

If FDR had done the right thing and said “look, banks can’t print money because that’s retarded” we wouldn’t have the only leg up on China we do (namely that ultimately they’ll be too old a population to sustain their behavior before we do and they’ll fall). History seems to favor humanity, while accepting that people are always going to completely botch it. So yeah, I think the prophets are self-promoting dickheads, however usually they just can’t seem to resolve the problems they inherit. With the Boomers, they inherited 1 problem. 1. Banks can still print money. Every other problem they’ve created, including all these side problems that come from not even bothering to address the problem they inherited. Dual incomes, Global Climate Change, ABBA these are just a few of the things Boomers did to themselves that they refuse to do anything about because they refuse to change course and even see as them a good thing.

You have the Republicans, with a terrible narrative, then the Democrats who have next to no narrative (Hope and Change are a narrative as much as a cow is a hamburger) and they’re only winning because the Republicans narrative is so bad. You’ve got all these side parties who can’t get anything because our democratic process is first past the post and therefore fosters a 2 party system. You’ve got CEO’s who weild more power than most feudal lords could even with the same technology. You have riduculous nongovernment institutions weilding power (utility companies, HOA’s, Hollywood

Kepi
Kepi
November 13, 2012 10:12 pm

SAH, I don’t have quite the hate-on for Prophetic types you do, though I agree that they create, and/or exasserbate most of the problems faced in a crisis. However they seem to do so in a way that leads to a best case scenario for the next seculum’s crisis. I mean, sure, we’d all love it if there were no authoritarian dickheads, and we could all cooperate freely (and for the most part, most of the time, people can). But there’s always going to be problems and there’s always going to be problem people (and yes, they’ll usually wind up in the prophetic archetype).

But let’s take a look at Lincoln. The guy was a dick, and he was a racist as much as any other abolitionist could be (they’re totally free to leave was the general sentiment). However, if the south had been free to negotiate it’s own trade (the real cause of the Civil War) the the north and south, no matter what format they existed in, would not be strong enough to fight and Win WWII. The Russians would have won, and they’d be king of the mountain.

If FDR had done the right thing and said “look, banks can’t print money because that’s retarded” we wouldn’t have the only leg up on China we do (namely that ultimately they’ll be too old a population to sustain their behavior before we do and they’ll fall). History seems to favor humanity, while accepting that people are always going to completely botch it. So yeah, I think the prophets are self-promoting dickheads, however usually they just can’t seem to resolve the problems they inherit. With the Boomers, they inherited 1 problem. 1. Banks can still print money. Every other problem they’ve created, including all these side problems that come from not even bothering to address the problem they inherited. Dual incomes, Global Climate Change, ABBA these are just a few of the things Boomers did to themselves that they refuse to do anything about because they refuse to change course and even see as them a good thing.

You have the Republicans, with a terrible narrative, then the Democrats who have next to no narrative (Hope and Change are a narrative as much as a cow is a hamburger) and they’re only winning because the Republicans narrative is so bad. You’ve got all these side parties who can’t get anything because our democratic process is first past the post and therefore fosters a 2 party system. You’ve got CEO’s who weild more power than most feudal lords could even with the same technology. You have riduculous nongovernment institutions weilding power (utility companies, HOA’s, Hollywood, Lobbyists). These weren’t things that existed before the Boomers, and it’s not even self-righteousness. It’s just dickery.

ron
ron
November 17, 2012 6:51 pm

Mazda must read TBP.My dad gets emails from them because he owns a new mx3.So he opens the new mail from Mazda and there is a section telling you to watch videos by Ann Barnhart.
I looked at my dad and said maybe they are telling you to buy a new Mazda while you can.
Mazda,the top car for the end of the usa.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 20, 2012 12:01 pm

Strauss & Howe wrote these words in 1997. They had predicted the arrival of another Crisis in this time frame in their previous book Generations, written in 1990. This wasn’t guesswork on their part. They understood the dynamics of how generations interact and how the mood of the country shifts every twenty or so years based upon the generational alignment that occurs as predictably as the turning of the seasons. The last generation that lived through the entire previous Crisis from 1929 through 1946
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Okay, the last crisis started in1929. Okay? So each Saeculum, being about 90 years. would mean, by SaH THEORY that another crisis should occur 90 years from 1929 and that would be 2019, right?

Okay, so we are then still in the 3T turning since its not 2019. But I read where people say we have already entered the 4T.

But then SaH write that the 4T will be sometime BEFORE 2025.

Really? This is like me saying there will be a crisis in the next 50 or 60 years and will certainly be one before 2062.

And and and why all i need is a crisis, any crisis, and If I dont get a really big one before between 2062 – – 2-71 then I can just go back and say Oh, well, the crisis was this event or that event and Waaaa F’n Laaaa, Viola, I am a prophet!!

Jeebus on the monkey bars. When will the SaH’s readjust their numbers to make the ‘crisis’ the financial meltdown of 2008? 2025?

Novista
Novista
November 20, 2012 6:50 pm

I like your prophet & loss statement, particularly the mention of the musical instrument.

k ochevnk
k ochevnk
November 27, 2012 9:38 am

1780 Rev War II
1860 Civ War I
1940 WWII
2020 ?

80 years apart like clockwork. I read all the comments and my IQ dropped at least 20 points – 98 percent of you clearly never read the book and many of the rest of you have math issues.

A saeculum is 80 years not 90 and the Catalyst (as S-H said, an event or SERIES of events) – 911 definitely, exacerbated by the multiple wars, housing crash and stock market crash.

OBAMA IS HOOVER REBORN. 1961 birth is a BOOMER. He is desperately trying to prop up the status quo any way he can. 2016 will give us a Prophet who will, like FDR and Lincoln before him propel us right into WWIII/Civ War II/ Rev War II or as admin notes maybe all 3 at once.

The Fourth Turning has been one of the most prescient books ever written and virtually NO ONE seems to be able to wrap their heads around it – as evidenced by the idiotic comments here and on ZH. Maybe it’s just too simple. I don’t know.

My best guess has always been that the 2016 election would be the game changer – by then we will be so far down the slope that the left-right retards will be clamoring for some ‘Prophet’ to resuce them from their own stupidity. And inevitably that Prophet will look for someone, anyone to blame – and that is how we segue right into war. And as the admin has pointed out, each time the wars have been more devastating and more wide-spread.

This time is different. You bet it is. It’s going to be far worse.

Thanks for the only site on the internet that gets The Fourth Turning – you’re preaching to the Remnant admin, but we are out there, all 10 of us.

k

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 27, 2012 10:26 pm

A saeculum is 80 years not 90 and the Catalyst (as S-H said, an event or SERIES of events) -Ko

It is an average. And the book is a theory.

By the 2nd century BC, Roman historians were using the saeculum to periodize their chronicles and track wars. At the time of the reign of emperor Augustus, the Romans decided that a saeculum was 110 years. In 17 BC Caesar Augustus organised Ludi saeculares (‘century-games’) for the first time to celebrate the ‘fifth saeculum of Rome’. Later emperors like Claudius and Septimius Severus have celebrated the passing of saecula with games at irregular intervals. In 248, Philip the Arab combined Ludi saeculares with the 1000th anniversary of the founding of Rome ‘ab urbe condita’. The new millennium that Rome entered was called the Saeculum Novum,[citation needed] a term that got a metaphysical connotation in Christianity, referring to the worldly age (hence ‘secular’).[citation needed]

A saeculum is not normally used for a fixed amount of time, in common usage it stands for about 90 years. It can be divided into four “seasons” of approximately 22 years eac
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1961 birth is a BOOMER -Ko

actually a 1964 birth is a boomer =)

AKAnon
AKAnon
November 28, 2012 2:54 am

k ochevnk-welcome. KB-Still arguing against S&H w/o reading the book I see. Sounds like someone’s in denial….

We’ve been down this road before-generational theory is based on attitudes, culture and shared experiences and influences, not on birthrate. 1964 Baby Boomers are Thirteeners or Xers, not Boomers. However, I do concur w/ SAH that Obama’s 1961 is arbitrarily close to the Boomer cut-off, and that O behaves more Boomer than Thirteener.

Novista
Novista
November 28, 2012 8:00 am

AKAnon

Wot you said and … Demographics ain’t engineering. Or government guesses.

Here’s the thing: the baby boom started in the last downturn of the Great Depression, going down in 1942 and starting up in 1943. Now, what you would be doing in 1942 if conscripted and due to have your ass shot off in Europe or the Pacific?

And 1961 was a sea change for the U.S., electing a =Catholic= president, woah!

Cusps are always a bit flexible; people are not machines. Speaking of which, as an engineer, who installed two RCA tape machine with sequential numbers ‘back in the day’, one conformed to a statistical standard, the other was a pain in the ass. Why?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 29, 2012 1:58 am

k ochevnk-welcome. KB-Still arguing against S&H w/o reading the book I see. Sounds like someone’s in denial….=AKA

Since when did a ‘theory’ become absolute prophecy? Fuck, even the authors of the book say it is a theory.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 29, 2012 2:00 am

And 1961 was a sea change for the U.S., electing a =Catholic= president, woah =aka

And in what book will I have to read to find this ‘truth’?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 29, 2012 2:08 am

I meant Novista and Not AKA in the last post. My bad. Blame the Vodka makers. =)

~~~

1964 Baby Boomers are Thirteeners or Xers, not Boomers -Aka

Yes, if you think everything in the theoretical book is fact.

What you agree with is the opinion of the authors. That you agree with that DOES NOT make it a fact. I already kicked Oks low IQ ass and now you want some of that.

Get back on the porch puppy before you go chasing an exhaust pipe and get have your mangy fur tattooed with a BF Goodrich 60 series radial tire.

Novista
Novista
November 29, 2012 6:09 am

Fuck you, Bill … looks like The Bride didn’t do a good enough job.

I notice you avoid any confrontation with that awkward 1943 =fact= of when the baby boom started — and I didn’t get that from S&H. It’s not difficult to find half a dozen different sets of cohort dates from different analysts talking their own theory. Google is your friend.

Demographics is not engineering.

Why you even bother to stick around insisting on your viewpoint can only be attributed to obsessive compulsive behavior. All you gots is a narrow-minded attitude and a penchant of mean-mouthing an idea and with NO support for your position.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 30, 2012 12:27 am

I notice you avoid any confrontation with that awkward 1943 =fact= of when the baby boom started -Novista

Please oh please, prove to me when the baby boom started. You made the claim, prove it.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 30, 2012 12:30 am

Why you even bother to stick around insisting on your viewpoint can only be attributed to obsessive compulsive behavior -Ak

Is that your viewpoint?

Ah, now your a psychologist?

Be careful,

Novista
Novista
November 30, 2012 6:09 am

I did have more psychology courses at uni than I might have preferred but experience serves as well.

P.S. ‘your’ of course should be ‘you’re’ as in ‘you are’ but phonal spelling is so common these days.

k ochevnk
k ochevnk
November 30, 2012 12:00 pm

A (scientific) theory makes predictions about the future that can be tested as true/false (Popper).

In my view the true false test got passed :

On Sept 11 When America’s most famous buildings were destroyed.
In 2003 when Bush went into Iraq for no reason at all
In 2007 when the housing prices crashed 40 percent
In 2008 when the stock market crashed 60 percent

These are all part of the Catalyst – even down to one of the hypotheticals being ‘terrorists hijacking jet liners’ that quote is IN the book.

And now in 2012+ as the Federal Budget is hyperbolic ascent.

Anyone who does not see how inevitable it is that war is coming is completely clueless.

The 4T has been RIGHT about EVERYTHING and they did it in 1997 – 15 years ago.

You go ahead and denigrate and ignore it. It won’t matter because in 5 or 6 years you’ll most likely be dead.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 1, 2012 8:56 am

Two thumbs up, you may have fried a few circuits in my motherboard. Thanx Administrator

ssgconway
ssgconway
December 2, 2012 2:20 pm

James Webb is my pick for Prophet. Here he is on ‘the 47%’ excoriating Romney. A Jacksonian moment from a Jacksonian Democrat.: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/jim-webb-on-givers-and-takers/263039/
One can’t fake the kind of fire and passion he has…and S&H named him in 4T as someone they could see stepping up in a crisis. As he is not a fan of Iraq/Afghanistan, the ‘War on Drugs’ or the creeping police state, I can overlook his not being Ron Paulesque on other issues. It’d at least be a campaign worth following.

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