TO REBUILD OR NOT TO REBUILD, THAT IS THE QUESTION

Sorry rich people with McMansions on the beach. You are no different than the Free Shit Army that marches around West Philly collecting their Section 8 housing vouchers, food stamps, Obama phones, subsidized cable and SSDI. If you want to build a house 50 yards from the ocean, tough shit when it gets washed away. The taxpayers in Iowa and Nebraska should not be subsidizing your dumbass decision with their tax dollars so you can rebuild. The free shit has to stop because it isn’t free. You are going to see politicians across the land fork over your money by the billions without hesitiation over the next few weeks because who could possibly not help the multi-millionaire victims in Avalon and Stone Harbor.

No government entity had these costs factored into their budgets. They never do, even though natural disasters happen every year. Government drones never put money away for a rainy day. Neither do the American people. It’s the American way. Just add it to the bill and let future generations worry about the consequences of un-payable liabilities and interest on the debt. We’ll fork over the dough and homes will be rebuilt right on the ocean and bays. Nothing will change until our unsustainable economic system collapses under the immense weight of the debt. Then you’ll see what a real disaster looks like.   

Battered NJ agonizes over whether to rebuild shore

LONG BEACH TOWNSHIP, N.J. — In its tear of destruction, the megastorm Sandy left parts of New Jersey’s beloved shore in tatters, sweeping away beaches, homes, boardwalks and amusement parks.

The devastation left the state a blank canvas to redevelop its prized vacation towns. But environmentalists and shoreline planners urged the state to think about how — and if — to redevelop the shoreline as it faces an even greater threat of extreme weather.

“The next 50 to 100 years are going to be very different than what we’ve seen in the past 50 years,” said S. Jeffress Williams, a scientist emeritus at the U.S. Geological Survey’s Woods Hole Science Center in Massachusetts.

The sea level is rising fast, and destructive storms are occurring more frequently, said Williams, who expects things to get even worse.

He and other shoreline advocates say the state should consider how to protect coastal areas from furious storms when they rebuild it, such as relocating homes and businesses farther from the shore, building more seawalls and keeping sand dunes high.

How to rebuild after the disaster is becoming an issue even as New Jersey assesses its damage.

The state’s death toll from Sandy climbed to at least 14, 2 million customers remained without electricity and earth-moving equipment made its way for the first time to hard-hit barrier island communities.

National Guard members went door-to-door on Long Beach Island to check on survivors and delivered supplies to heavily flooded Hoboken. President Barack Obama, skipping campaign appearances, came to New Jersey to see the damage.

In Hoboken, a one-square-mile city on the other side of the Hudson River from New York City, at least 25 percent of the community was flooded and 90 percent was without power. National Guard troops delivered food and water as officials sent out a plea for boats and generators.

Most passenger trains were still suspended, lines were long at gas pumps, and Halloween celebrations were postponed. But there were some steps toward normalcy: many schools planned to open on Thursday, state workers were told to return to work and most New Jersey Transit buses were to resume service.

The state’s main focus was at the storied Jersey Shore, where houses were thrown from their foundations and parks and beaches were partially destroyed.

In his evening briefing Wednesday, Gov. Chris Christie reiterated that he wants to rebuild.

“I don’t believe in a state like ours, where the Jersey Shore is such a part of life, that you just pick up and walk away,” he said.

But the governor said homeowners in hard-hit areas should decide for themselves whether they want to rebuild or sell their property to the state for conservation.

The government, the Republican governor said, should not decide where rebuilding is and is not allowed.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, disagreed Wednesday, saying that rebuilding after Sandy should include new ways to prevent damage from future hurricanes and storms.

Shoreline advocates say there are three ways to protect the shore from extreme weather: build more jetties and seawalls, keep beaches replenished and relocate homes and businesses.

The physical solutions can help protect homes and roads, but also cut off access to the beaches or water. New Jersey is known for having a lot of protective barriers.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers says it’s moved more than 65 million cubic yards of sand for replenishment projects in New Jersey. The state government has done additional projects without federal assistance.

Environmentalists say moving sand can cause harm to the areas it’s moved from, and might not be a good match for its new location. The supply of usable sand also is limited, they say.

“It’s like a bad drug habit,” said Chad Nelsen, the environmental director of the Surfrider Foundation, a national organization dedicated to preserving beaches and oceans. “Once you start, you can’t stop.”

Still, it seems to work. Some residents on Long Beach Island on Wednesday credited high dunes and wide beaches built as part of replenishment efforts there for keeping destruction from being even worse.

The northern barrier island that suffered the worst damage from Sandy is the longest developed stretch of New Jersey’s 127-mile coastline without the help of federal replenishment projects.

The federal government pays for much of the beach protection programs. Including state and local contributions, shore protection programs with federal involvement from Manasquan to Cape May have cost taxpayers $475 million since 1988.

Peter Kasabach, executive director of the planning advocacy group New Jersey Future, says that subsidy, along with federal flood insurance that encourages rebuilding, is problematic.

“We’ve built in places that we shouldn’t have built and now those places are becoming even more hazardous and more expensive to stay in,” he said. “As we grow and develop, we should make sure we don’t continue to invest in those places.”

He suggested bans on building in some sensitive beach areas, or requirements that homes be built farther from the ocean.

The Surfrider Foundation’s Nelsen said he hopes that New Jersey communities at least consider rebuilding in different places, which he said has never been done on a large scale in a U.S. oceanfront.

“We’re about to spend some ungodly sum of money to restore the coast,” he said. “Let’s make sure we spent it wisely.”

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sangell
sangell
November 1, 2012 9:41 am

IF, and I stress IF, there is any truth to that Rutgers University theory that a warmer arctic has more or less permanently changed the path of the jet stream and has made the mid atlantic ground zero for more hurricane landfalls then welcome to the world of Florida where wind and flood insurance can cost over $10,000 per year for a $150,000 ( formerly $300,000) house! If it starts costing as much to insure coastal homes ( and I don’t mean on the beach either) on Long Island or the Jersey Shore as it does to insure them in Galveston or St. Petersburg then housing prices from Cape Cod to Delaware are going to fall.

Insurance companies will tell the tale here. Wood frame construction and ground level homes do not survive severe winds or storm surges. Along the Mississippi coast, post Katrina, you’ll find new homes that are more concrete bunker than ante bellum mansion. Rated for 200 mph winds and they still pay a hefty insurance premium! I’m pretty lucky. My condo is 35 feet above Sarasota Bay and is reinforced concrete construction. I have steel hurricane shutters for the three sea facing sliding glass doors. I pay $1700 per year for $50,000 worth of coverage for my interior walls and fixtures. I’ll probably drop it though because if a storm destroys the interior of my condo the entire structure will probably have to be rebuilt.

Mary Malone
Mary Malone
November 1, 2012 10:46 am

Good points, Admin. Many of the shore homes were underwater before Sandy hit. Driving along the NJ shore, you would have seen home after home with “Fore Sale” signs on the lawn.

These are nearly all second homes, purchased during the housing bubble for top dollar. The values went south and many of these properties were being marketed as short sales.

If the homeowner is no longer paying their mortgage, their home insurance is often cancelled and forced-place insurance policy is issued by the servicer.

Forced place insurance only pays out when the home has been completely destroyed. And it does not pay the homeowner – it pays the fake lender.

sangell
sangell
November 1, 2012 11:00 am

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The New New Jersey Shore ( if you can afford it)

Stucky
Stucky
November 1, 2012 11:34 am

I used to go to Seaside Heights as a kid. I loved the this coaster!!
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I think they should convert it to a water slide;
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Looks like even Chris Christie is will to suck black dick, if there’s enough money in it. His praising Obama is just shameful. What a fucking turncoat. And then Mr. Fatman appears on TV to say that it will ALL be rebuilt!! And he says … swear to God … that he’ll cut the NJ budget elsewhere to pay for it.

Maybe Fatboy doesn’t have access to a map. Looky here … at this fucking tiny narrow strip of land … less than a mile wide … a fucking sand strip in the ocean ….. and Mr Fatass wants to rebuild at a cost of mutiple billions of dollars????? So it can all get wiped out again? Which it WILL at some point or another.

What a fucking maroon.
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Stucky
Stucky
November 1, 2012 11:39 am

Jersey’s newest water ride
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ron
ron
November 1, 2012 12:38 pm

Its ok to rebuild if its all on the owners own dime.

TeresaE
TeresaE
November 1, 2012 1:42 pm

In America, we are very good – hell, we have made it a national requirement – to NEVER include ALL true costs.

If you own waterfront land, it WILL flood eventually. If you own oceanfront land, it WILL suffer damages from hurricanes eventually.

But the cost to build and buy it shows NO relation to that reality.

Kinda like the CFL light bulbs. When CONgress (Immelt & Walsh give thanks, lots of thanks) outlawed incandescents, they did not take into account – nor legislate for – the REALITY that the CFLs are hazardous, contain toxins, and should be disposed of in a special, proper manner.

Nope, they gift GE (and others) profit margins on an untested technology, allowing them to offshore the production then not worry about the disposal costs.

For products that are disposable, why isn’t the cost of disposal included in the manufacturer’s costs?

Same for tvs, computers, cell phones and now a billion other products that eventually are going to cause massive environmental problems.

We just REFUSE to deal with reality. We like to believe that everything is somebody else’s problem.

But, back to this, what the fuck, as long as Benny Bucks are still worth something, might as well use them to make a few more guys (and the mob) richer.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the results to change.

My own insanity is expecting that others will someday wake up and realize our entire country (if not world) is based on insanity.

ASIG
ASIG
November 1, 2012 2:21 pm

“Its ok to rebuild if its all on the owners own dime.”

In addition to very strict building standards and land use codes.
Example – all living spaces must be above 15’ in elevation.(above sea level not above grade)

So on some of those islands that are 6 – 8 feet in elevation there would be no living spaces on the first floor, only garage and storage.

ragman
ragman
November 1, 2012 7:23 pm

This one is a tough call. Here in South Florida we have three policies on our haciendas. Homeowners, windstorm and flood. Each is written by a different outfit and the total can easily be 1K/month on a $300,000 house. We rebuilt after Andrew(total loss) but I wouldn’t do it again. You folks up there have no idea what’s to come. It took us 5 years to get the Cutler Ridge, Homestead area squared away. Andrew was a small intense storm. We could drive 20 miles north and get all the supplies(gas, ice, food) we wanted. From what I understand, that option is not available to you folks. The damage is too widespread. I have been through it and my heart goes out to all of you!

Stucky
Stucky
November 1, 2012 7:56 pm

Admin

Sorry it took so long to answer …. I signed out right after that post.

No … we have no power.

But, I was able to get gas this afternoon. I stood in the gas-cannister line, while Ms Freud was in the car line. Only waited 1 hour and 45 minutes. Not bad!! I’ve heard that the gas lines on the Garden State Parkway are about 3 miles long.

For folks in this area I got gas at the Cranford Exit off the GSP … go east on North Ave about 1/2 mile to the Exxon. I stood in line with a guy who traveled 25 miles to get gas. wow. They are getting deliveries daily.

llpoh
llpoh
November 1, 2012 8:21 pm

I have often wondered at the stupidity of people to live in hurricane/flood prone areas. Ever has it been thus. The sea provides sustenance, but it on occassion extracts a terrible price. But in the US, there is no point to masses of people living next to the sea. Thee is no benefit, as a very small percentage make their living from the sea.

No way in hell should tax money be used to rebuild anything that is not related to sea-commerce. all that will do is guarantee a repeat of the disaster in the future, be it near or far. Time for the seaboarders to move sufficiently inland to be safe from hurricane and flood.

ragman
ragman
November 1, 2012 9:00 pm

llpoh: so now you decide where people should live? Who the fuck made you king?

Llpoh
Llpoh
November 1, 2012 9:12 pm

Is that real ragdouche or doppeldouche? Either way, they are too stupid to poor piss out of a boot.