Yes, Russia is *still* ready for war – even nuclear war

Via Vineyard of the Saker

On March 1st of last year I wrote an article entitled “Obama just made things much, much worse in the Ukraine – now Russia is ready for war” in which I wrote the following: “I hope and pray that Obama, and his advisers, stop and think carefully about their next step, because make no mistake about that RUSSIA IS READY FOR WAR.”  Using bolded red caps was my hope to get everybody’s attention, including the various US analysts reading my blog and thinking that maybe I knew a little something about Russia.  This was the first time in my (now ex-) career as a military analyst that I delivered such a warning, and it is a sweet irony for me that it was made publicly and not behind all sorts of secrecy walls.

I STILL very much believe that Russia is ready for war.  And by “ready” I mean two things:

a) Russia is morally and psychologically willing to use military force to defend herself against the Empire

b) Russia does have the military means to defend herself against the Empire.

I fully agree with a recent article on Russia Insider entitled “NATO Would Probably Lose A War Against Russia“.  I don’t know who the “Shellback” who wrote this article is, but I can immediately recognize a fellow “cold warrior” who, like me, must have spent many hours studying the works of V.G. Reznichenko and David Glantz and who knows what he is talking about.  You can take what “Shellback” wrote to the bank.

Recently, the Times of London posted an article about threats allegedly made by senior Russian intelligence officers to their western colleagues.  Since the Times’ website is behind a pay-wall, I will direct you to this reprint from The Australian.  Let me immediately say, that all the details given about the alleged meeting sound totally true to me and that I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that this time around, The Times actually printed a true story.  I am aware of the fact that Putin’s spokesman, Peskov, has immediately denied the story, but in this (very rare) case, I still believe the western corporate media.  Why?  Because everything in the story is absolutely credible.  In particular these excerpts:

Among the “key messages delivered by Russian participants” was a warning that any military move by the West on Crimea would trigger a Russian response, possibly involving nuclear force. “The United States should also understand it would also be at risk.”

The Russian delegation said that any NATO build-up in the Baltics would prompt an increase in Russia’s “nuclear posture”, according to notes drawn up by a US participant. The warning is baldly recounted: “Russia will use its nuclear weapons against NATO.”

When discussing possible Russian action in the Baltics, it reported: “Russian members mentioned a spectrum of responses from nuclear to non-military.”

The most trenchant Russian remarks on eastern Europe were delivered by the former military intelligence chief Valentin Korabelnikov, who remains a senior adviser to the defence ministry. Since the GRU masterminded the annexation of Crimea, he is likely to have been involved in the planning. He said that the biggest threat to Russia was US activity along its borders, according to notes taken by Kevin Ryan, a retired US brigadier-general who served as defence attaché in Moscow.

Most people in the West, especially those who have not yet ditched their Idiot-Tube, are getting influenced by propaganda, whether they realized it or not.  Just living in a highly propagandized society makes you absorb a lot of that propaganda, as if by osmosis.  One such propaganda myth is about the condition and readiness of the Russian military.  Of course, it is a very cozy “feel good” feeling to “know” that your military is just “the best”, as if by definition, but the reality is very different and ignoring it is very dangerous.  Here are the raw facts:

1. In the Ukraine Russia has a *huge* terrain advantage over the US/NATO, simply because the Ukraine is right across Russia’s border.  NATO simply does not have the power projection capability or numbers to intervene in the Ukraine.

2. The Russian Ground Forces are much tougher, better trained and better commanded that their NATO counterparts.

3. The Russian Air Force is more capable that NATO’s, both in terms of personnel and in terms of equipment.

4.  Russian Air Defense Forces are the best on the planet.

5. Russian nuclear forces are much more modern and capable than the US ones.

Spetsnaz GRU Operator

6. Russian special forces are, by far, the most capable on the planet and, unlike their US counterparts, their combat record (Operation Storm-333, “Polite Green Men” in Crimea) proves it.  In any Ukrainian war, they will play a key role.

[Sidebar: Western propaganda always makes loud claims about this or that kind of training, this or that kind of weapons, this or that kind of quotes and statements about super-dooper, super-secret, “best in the world”, special forces, but I simply look at the combat record.  You can train all you want, and spend 100 days in the desert eating lizards, but unless you have some real war time combat success to show, I don’t take your claims seriously.  Recently,  a commentator wrote that the best infantry in the world was the Australian one, because they had learned their skills from the Bushman.  Great.  One look at the territory currently controlled by the Bushmen and the size of Russia will tell you everything you need to know about that claim :-]

Now, make no mistake: Russia does not want war.  If Russia wanted war, Putin would have sent the Russian military into the Donbass last year.  In fact, Russia does not even want another “cold” war in Europe.  But Russia is prepared to defend herself, if the AngloZionist Empire insists on making her submit to its hegemony.

As for Crimea, it is simply not negotiable.  Any attempt to break Crimea away from Russia will be considered as an attack on Russia.  You might as well try to seize the Kremlin.

Lastly, notice that I said “Russia is ready”.  Not “Putin is ready”.  Not only is Putin supported by something in the range of 85%+ of Russians, even though those who oppose him (LDPR, Communist Party, Just Russia) fully and totally support Putin’s refusal to surrender to the Empire.  The size of the pro-western part of the Russian population must be roughly in the 3%-5% max, not even enough to get one single deputy into the Duma.

Let me explain something about Russian history here.

Russia began as a rather small principality, much smaller and weaker than Poland.  And then Russia got invaded by a multi-ethnic mix of nomads from the East.  Russia did not have any natural borders.  Not only that, but most of Russia is, in military terms, much more similar to an ocean than to dry land: huge forests, infinite steppes, extreme climates, etc.  Finally, unlike western Europe, where a surrendering force was usually spared, in the vast expanses of Russia, surrender was simply not an option.  Surrender meant death.  The Russian gene pool was directly affected by this selective pressure.  As was Russian culture.

[Sidebar: my daughter always laughs that Russian songs are all about only three topics: love, the Motherland and war.  She is right.  War and everything it represents in an integral part of the Russian culture as is sacrificing your life for the Motherland.]

For those still dubious, I would recommend machine translating this page.  It is an analysis of all the wars and battles Russia fought between 1700 and 1940.  The results are clear:

For 250 years of its existence of the Russian military fought 392 regular army battles against the Swedes, the French, the Germans, the Turks, the Poles, the Tatars, the Finns, various ethnic groups from the Caucasus, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Austrians, the Hungarians, the British, the Italians, and Central Asian nations. Of those Russia won – 279.

Russia only lost 3 out of 34 wars:

1. Crimea
2. Russian-Japanese
3. Polish-Soviet 1920.

And in most these battles Russia has inferior numbers of troops and inferior weapons.

So much for the usual western myths about “winning by numbers” or “General Winter” (these myths are the output of bruised western egos, not military analysis).

This history creates a paradox: Russians absolutely hate war and even fear it, but in war they are determined and fearless.  Furthermore, the “ocean like” terrain results in the Russians being unbeatable at two things: maneuver warfare and intelligence/reconnaissance.  As for “retreat” on an ocean-like terrain, it has very different meaning than in traditional land warfare.

I believe that this is what the Russian intelligence officers were trying to convey to their counterpart at the meeting reported by The Times: we don’t want war, but if you force us to, we will defeat you.

You might ask about nuclear war – would the Russians really risk death rather than surrender?  After all, the USA *does* really have the means to wipe most Russian cities off the world map!  Again, the answer is simple: Russia has almost always fought an existential threat.  Sure, the US has nukes, but Hitler’s project for Russia was hardly any better (to turn the Russian subhumans into slaves for the Master’s Race).  Unlike westerner, who have hardly ever faced a real existential threat (Hitler does not count – he was very much “our son of a bitch”), Russians have, numerous times.  That is the big advantage of imperialism, especially for a power protected by the seas: wars happen away from home.  In a nuclear war, both Russia and the USA would lose 20-50 million people.  Now take a guess, which country is more capable of loosing anywhere between 1/5 to 1/2 of its population and then survive the nuclear winter and radioactive fallout?

In conclusion, I want to say the following to those who will dismiss all of the above as nonsense and still believe that the western military forces could prevail against Russia: you are welcome to dismiss all of the above, but please realize that the vast majority of Russians really do believe it!  And as a direct result of that – they will not submit, they will not “blink”, they will not surrender and they will fight you with everything they have.

This topic makes me sick to my stomach.  I hate it.  I am also frustrated to tears that having survived the Cold War, I am now facing by far the most dangerous international situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis (and then, at least, everybody was terrified; today the propaganda zombified public is utterly unaware of what is happening).  The only reason I feel that I have to repeat all these things is in the hope that somebody somewhere will take my warnings seriously and warn his/her bosses.

If you are that person – please do the right thing now.

The Saker

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Lysander
Lysander
April 4, 2015 9:25 pm

That was sobering. Can someone tell me how credible this entity “The Saker” is? I’m not trying to be a wiseass, I’m serious. I’ve already seen his site, but over the years I have seen and heard much from various people who were better at writing than analysis.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 4, 2015 10:13 pm

Lysander: The Saker seems very credible. Very little hype, lots of useful information.

For me it is interesting to compare his commentary with the very near-identical commentary from a close family relative, who has worked in the Moscow banking “Industry” for over 20 years, and who is now VERY actively “getting out of Dodge”.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 4, 2015 10:15 pm

In a conventional war, Russia would kick NATO’s ass, so they would have the choice of going nuclear or suffering a humiliating defeat.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 4, 2015 11:39 pm

Z Russia could not kick the United States ass much less all NATO members.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 5, 2015 12:07 am

To discover just how ill conceived Z’s last post was let’s look at a few numbers. ( I deleted the words dumbass mother fucker )

Any student of war knows whoever controls the air space above a battlefield controls the battlefield.

As of 2015

Total Aircraft. U.S 13,892. Russia 3,429
Fighter aircraft. U.S. 2207. Russia 769

Aircraft Carriers. U.S. 20. Russia 1

In an all out, Damn civilian casualties war, the U.S. would pound Russia to to dust, much less all NATO Countries combined.

Study the numbers here.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=united-states-of-america&country2=russia&Submit=COMPARE

Now, please Z expound upon how how Russia would “kick NATO’s ass” Don’t make me add up ALL the military assets of NATO, just one NATO member, the U.S. should suffice.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 5, 2015 12:18 am

Just one more stat for those who don’t click the link I provided.

Avaiable Manpower. U.S. 145,212,012. Russia. 69,117,271

BTW our 12 to 20 million Mexicans are not included in our number so add a few more on the U.S. Side.

Russia is a Country with an inferior conventional Millitary force who’s realing from low oil prices, it’s main source of income. Nukes are the only card they have to play.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 5, 2015 5:18 am

Sensetti: In an assault on Russia, the US has to get it’s “thousands of aircraft” there in the first place. Carrier Groups? Maybe a quick Google search will provide unsettling information re. a certain 40 year old French sub managing to “scuttle” one such Group – and depart undetected . . . . .

They are really big radar targets, and really good heat sources too, so plenty of opportunity for hostile engagement.

One thing to be crystal clear about. The Russians have stated that a US / NATO (synonymous I know) attack on Russia WILL be met with a direct retaliatory attack on the US (not necessarily nuclear – they have extremely capable thermobaric munitions too). So, this will be one war that the US people will be able to experience “first hand”, rather than at the expense of “others”, and that alone may well have a very significant outcome in terms of duration of hostilities.

Be assured. If America does decide to “go to war” with Russia, it will be the last war that America (as you know it) will ever fight.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 5, 2015 7:21 pm

Sensetti

Russia+China=nice try Sensetti…..please play again.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 5, 2015 8:10 pm

Anonymous says: Sensetti: In an assault on Russia, the US has to get it’s “thousands of aircraft” there in the first place. Carrier Groups?

OMG this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Yes I can see your point, with all those military bases and with overwhelming air superiority, pounding Russian cities into rubble would be a bridge to far. Really? WTF?

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Sensetti
Sensetti
April 5, 2015 8:17 pm

Just how many overseas military bases does the U.S. Have?

Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/14/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-us-has-military-personnel-130-nation/

We have them surrounded! The almost 14k aircraft are dispersed in strategic location.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 5, 2015 9:00 pm

How many military bases does russian have spread out around the World? Surely the have a hundred or so! Let’s see….

SHOCK: US has 900 bases vs. Russia has only one external military base around the world!!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/shock-us-has-900-bases-vs-russia-has-only-one-external-military-base-around-the-world/

One are you fucking kidding me? One base, one and only one outside Russian soil. So who’s in a box?

Don’t doubt it my friends in an all out conventional war the U.S. Would pound Russian cities into dust. But it would not be a conventional war would it, Russian would have no choice but to let the nukes fly.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
April 5, 2015 9:28 pm

Why do we care about Crimea? Even the Baltic States – if they thought NATO would come to their rescue, they were dumb. The whole idea of NATO is a joke. Is Portugal going to defend the US? Is Turkey an ally of the US? No and No.

GilbertS
GilbertS
April 5, 2015 9:47 pm

I don’t think Saker was entirely accurate on his listing.
For instance, the Soviets lost the Winter War invasion of Finland.
They certainly didn’t win WWI.
They failed in Afghanistan with all the advantages on their side.
They performed absolutely awfully in WWII until they started copying German doctrine.
Perhaps the last 100 years were an accident, since much of their failure was the part of their leadership, not their soldiers, but the post-91 actions weren’t much better. They sucked in Chechnya.
Not that they haven’t improved since then. I’m sure they’re much better now. From what I’ve read and seen online, their equipment and uniforms are much, much better and comparable to ours. (seen their new uniform? goretex and polypro and thinsulate-type gear in several layers, just like ours. Improved body armor, too.)

But I don’t think it matters. First, I doubt we’ll ever be in a true hot war with them. There’s just way too much to lose and nothing to gain. The Ukraine isn’t worth fighting over. What American is going to rally to the flag to defend Odessa or Kiev?

Second, and much more importantly-If it ever comes down to a real war with Russia, I believe it would break down like this:
DDay -05: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready.
DDay -04: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready.
DDay -03: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready.
DDay -02: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready.
DDay -01: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready.
DDay -10 minutes: We talk shit about Russia. Our troops mass on their border and get ready. Our CIC systems go dark, our electric, water, sewer, traffic control, telephone co, internet providers, air traffic control, EBT/Welfare/Social Security, railway, and nuclear power plant computers all go dark, our UPS, USPS, FedEx, and DHS computers go dark, and we find ourselves dealing with widespread panic as our highway interchanges, bridges, tank farms, power stations, rail yards, airports, and sea ports all explode.
DDay +365: We beat rocks together and fight over cans of beanie weenies.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 5, 2015 10:05 pm

Sensetti – SUPPLY CHAIN.

Apart from all those nice little FIXED LOCATION bases, which will certainly have been inked-in for visits from the Iskander system.

Runways are fragile things, and US aircraft (Tactical and Strategic, i.e. resupply) NEED runways (unlike many frontline Russian aircraft that can operate of grass airstrips – even the venerable Tu95); don’t get started on other supply links – road and rail – which do need reliable signalling for reliable operation (and remind me again, just who managed to scare of your “You Beaut” Aegis class vessel??). Those roads / railways are not in the US of A, so not under your control. A few derailments/ traffic jams, and all of a sudden resupply becomes more than a minor headache. Maybe hose long-forgotten Russian Humanitarian Aid convoys were useful for “other purposes” . . .

And, as Bea Lever points out – China will certainly be part of the game, and their standing army (without reservists) is “somewhat larger” than ALL of NATO – http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=china

So, it would be a “good thing” or the USA to admit defeat on this one, and “do a Kissinger” by negotiating a settlement that will not result in too much loss of face for the US. Who knows, it might even gain Dear Leader another “Peace Prize” . . . . . . .

GilbertS
GilbertS
April 5, 2015 10:33 pm

Arguing over who has more stuff is silly. It proves nothing.
As if we’re going to send all our troops, planes, tanks, and other junk over to fight Russia. Refer to my prior comment-they’ll sabotage us and turn off our infrastructure before one shot is ever fired. We’ll be too busy dealing with our own problems to play with them.

Sensetti-Your statistic about bases is revealing in a totally different way.

If you look at the bulk of Russian history, for the most part, Russia has not been about conquering the world. Yeah, they attacked their neighbors and built an empire, but outside of the region we consider “Russia,” and their traditional back yard, they’ve stayed put. Communism, and its world-wide revolutionary aspirations aside, they’ve pretty much stayed in their own corner and kept to themselves. The world, however, keeps beating a path to their door. That has an effect on your outlook.

Historically, they’ve been more interested in trying to control their borders, what was inside those borders, and trying to keep outsiders away from those borders. Stalin did make the conquered/”liberated” regions satellites, but they were not annexed-they were set up to be a buffer to keep the world away from Russia. You can argue an exception with the Russian/Soviet interest in extending their border South to Iran, but that was primarily to gain a permanent ice-free port.

I don’t think many Russians are interested in, say, extending Russia into France. You could argue over the Baltics, the Ukraine, even Alaska and portions of California, if you want to get really crazy, but there is a technical and historical argument on their side. The Baltics have large Russian minorities and have been in and out of the Russian Empire, the Ukraine is the heart of the original Muscovy, and Alaska and part of California were Russian before they were American.

All things being equal, if you accept the Monroe Doctrine of We-Get-To-Fuck-Around-With-Our-Neighbors, then you have to accept Russia gets to fuck with their Near Abroad. To me, I see our meddling in the Ukraine as how we would feel if the Russians were screwing around in Mexico. You can bet people would go nuts if the shoe was on the other foot.

GilbertS
GilbertS
April 5, 2015 10:49 pm

I have a couple old books studying the Russians when they were the Soviets. One of the points the authors made was that Russia’s long, dark occupation under the Mongolian hordes left them feeling inadequate and backwards compared to their Western neighbors and they lived in fear and paranoia of their relative weakness and delayed development being discovered. One of their examples was how a monk came to Russia (forget his name-not Cyril) to teach them Latin. They wouldn’t let him leave, lest he tell everyone at home how backwards they were. Another time, an architect was brought in to build a cathedral, only to have his eyes put out so he could never build another one to rival it. I read the first time the Soviets put their nuclear missiles on parade, back in the 1960s, they were actually fakes (the real thing wasn’t ready yet), but they put them on display to shock the west and this was, culturally, the same instinct to look tough to the West.

Russia’s been invaded many, many times. That experience has an effect on your culture and your outlook. It’s why they’ve always been really, really sensitive about their borders, about security and secrecy. Aside from trying to build up and be in a position of strength, they aren’t about ruling the world.

Compare that to us-we’re the ones with bases all over the place, 900+/- as Sensetti pointed out.

The thought occurs to me-where would we be if we didn’t have all those bases all over the world? I’ve been on a couple bases in my time. No matter where they are or what they do, they become self-licking icecream cones. I wonder how much more wealth we would have if we didn’t have them? How much lower would our taxes be? How much stronger would our economy be? All that bullshit comes at a heavy price.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 6, 2015 12:09 am

George Kennan, architect of the policy of soviet containment, “Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the post cold-war era. Such a decision may be expected . . . to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”

Stucky
Stucky
April 6, 2015 12:37 am

Sensetti

Since you like numbers ….. please compare the USA!USA!USA! to Afghanistan.

Q: After citing the ENORMOUS military advantage ……. why didn’t we win?

A: Numbers tell half the story …. if that.

Brian
Brian
April 6, 2015 12:56 am

“Aircraft Carriers. U.S. 20. Russia 1”

20? I count 10, unless your counting helo/harrier flat-tops?! Carriers are giant turkeys that will be blown up in the first day of a hot war.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 6, 2015 1:40 am

Brian says:

“Aircraft Carriers. U.S. 20. Russia 1″

20? I count 10, unless your counting helo/harrier flat-tops?! Carriers are giant turkeys that will be blown up in the first day of a hot war.
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I think of the Japanese superbattleships, Yamato and Musahi during WW2. Of them, only Yamato was ever able to fire it’s guns in battle against other ships before being sunk by aircraft. No battleship has since been built. It is the same with aircraft carriers. Sure they are fine for picking on countries that cannot defend themselves but in a real war, they would be quickly become undersea curiosities for scuba divers. I think Iran has the missile capability of rendering them to flaming wrecks, in addition to the chinese and the russians.

TE
TE
April 6, 2015 2:53 am

Ah Sensetti, sometimes man you just make me smile.

150,000,000? Are you f*ing kidding me? Where?

Think the landwhales, the constantly drugged (which, btw, if disruption in supply chain occurs you’ll see a HUGE increase in suicides/murders), the “disabled,” the fucking addlebrained, and our millions upon millions of truly disabled, and, let us not forget, computer geeks and government/union workers are going to FIGHT?

Oh dear gawd that is truly amusing.

And, without knowing the true relationship between Russia and the one country that I believe could stop the war dead in its tracks, at least our side of the war, this entire premise is so much scarier than your hubris will ever let you believe.

If we go to war and China decides to screw us, the US military is going to busy controlling thousands of starving, sick, dying and rioting Americans here. They have tried their best to arm every Barnie Fife with military hardward, but lets be honest, how much real training has occurred?

Keep believing the stories you are being told, I choose to look at the world through the eyes of those we try to control.

No matter how I cut it, we are screwed. In part due to all those that bought the bullshit stories and supported death and war and destruction.

Our turn is coming. This fight may be the one that changes everything for our ungrateful, apathetic, hubristic, false Christian society. I just can’t imagine these delusions lasting much longer.

Stucky
Stucky
April 6, 2015 8:17 am

“They [Russia] certainly didn’t win WWI.” ———— GilbertS

You certainly don’t understand history.

“I have a couple old books studying the Russians when they were the Soviets.” —- GilbertS

Buy newer books.

TE
TE
April 6, 2015 9:49 am

@Stuck to @Gilbert

I’ve got one to add:

Countries/governments write the current history and hold the records of truth (which we never see) and winners write history too. Which is why we used to teach about the US gov conquering the “bloodthirsty savages,” the Trail of Tears was barely a mention, I believe it was given a couple paragraphs in my high school history book. Now the insane liberals won, and they are changing history books the other way. The truth is more than likely in the middle.

The fact our history books are vetted by the people that have the most to gain, or lose, creates a huge bias. The majority of people never learn to see, let alone evaluate and potentially change, their own biases, let alone those of an out of control government that most still want to take care of everything for them. Seeing this is tough to do. Good luck.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 6, 2015 1:59 pm

Stuck, the reason we don’t win is because we dont fight war’s we fight police actions. When we really go to war, as in WW2, the awesome power of our long range bombers will be understood. I recall you disccusing the devastating bombing in WW2. Do you understand how far advanced the technology has come in the delivery system and the warheads being dropped? The U.S could completely DESTORY every town, bridge, water system in very short order.

Do you recall how fast we took Iraq the first time. Remember the highway of death? Don’t be fooled into thinking the U.S. Military can’t rain hell from the sky.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 6, 2015 2:01 pm

TE look at the link I posted and get back with me.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 6, 2015 2:04 pm

TE just for you. BTW, I don’t pull shit out of my ass, I almost always site my source. I’ve been hanging around here way to long not to know one must cover his or her bases

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=united-states-of-america&country2=russia&Submit=COMPARE

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 6, 2015 2:07 pm

TE hit the link, educate yourself and post your thoughts on the comparison