THE NOOSE TIGHTENS

They want to track everything you do. They don’t want you using cash, because they can’t track what you are buying, selling, or bartering. Screw them. Reduce your electronic footprint. Fly under their radar. Barter with people. Use cash. Make their lives harder. Starve the beast. Fuck the government.

Via Govtslaves.info

Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash To Buy Used Goods

(Doug Mataconis)  Louisiana businesses are suddenly discovering a new law that flew under the radar during the last legislative session:

Cold hard cash. It’s good everywhere you go, right? You can use it to pay for anything.

But that’s not the case here in Louisiana now. It’s a law that was passed during this year’s busy legislative session.

House bill 195 basically says those who buy and sell second hand goods cannot use cash to make those transactions, and it flew so far under the radar most businesses don’t even know about it.

“We’re gonna lose a lot of business,” says Danny Guidry, who owns the Pioneer Trading Post in Lafayette. He deals in buying and selling unique second hand items.

“We don’t want this cash transaction to be taken away from us. It’s an everyday transaction,” Guidry explains.

Guidry says, “I think everyone in this business once they find out about it. They’re will definitely be a lot of uproar.”

The law states those who buy or sell second hand goods are prohibited from using cash. State representative Rickey Hardy co-authored the bill.

Hardy says, “they give a check or a cashiers money order, or electronic one of those three mechanisms is used.”

Hardy says the bill is targeted at criminals who steal anything from copper to televisions, and sell them for a quick buck. Having a paper trail will make it easier for law enforcement.

“It’s a mechanism to be used so the police department has something to go on and have a lead,” explains Hardy.

Guidry feels his store shouldn’t have to change it’s ways of doing business, because he may possibly buy or sell stolen goods. Something he says has happened once in his eight years.

“We are being targeted for something we shouldn’t be.”

Besides non-profit resellers like Goodwill, and garage sales, the language of the bill encompasses stores like the Pioneer Trading Post and flea markets.

Lawyer Thad Ackel Jr. feels the passage of this bill begins a slippery slope for economic freedom in the state.

“The government is placing a significant restriction on individuals transacting in their own private property,” says Ackel.

To say the least.

As Thad Ackel, who is quoted in the linked report, notes, this law goes far beyond even the extraordinary step of banning cash transactions:.

The law goes further to require secondhand dealers to turn over a valuable business asset, namely, their business’ proprietary client information. For every transaction a secondhand dealer must obtain the seller’s personal information such as their name, address, driver’s license number and the license plate number of the vehicle in which the goods were delivered. They must also make a detailed description of the item(s) purchased and submit this with the personal identification information of every transaction to the local policing authorities through electronic daily reports. If a seller cannot or refuses to produce to the secondhand dealer any of the required forms of identification, the secondhand dealer is prohibited from completing the transaction.

This legislation amounts to a public taking of private property without compensation. Regardless of whether or not the transaction information is connected with, or law enforcement is investigating a crime, individuals and businesses are forced to report routine business activity to the police. Can law enforcement not accomplish its goal of identifying potential thieves and locating stolen items in a far less intrusive manner? And of course, there are already laws that prohibit stealing, buying or selling stolen goods, laws that require businesses to account for transactions and laws that penalize individuals and businesses that transact in stolen property. Why does the Louisiana State Legislature need to enact more laws infringing on personal privacy, liberties and freedom?

The standard justification for a law such as this is easy to understand. Second hand stores and pawnbrokers if only because both have long been a source for people in possession of stolen good to fence their ill-gotten wares. However, the law itself actually exempts pawnbrokers from the no-cash part of the law even though it’s fairly clearly that pawn shops are notorious as the destination for stolen goods. If the law was really aimed at preventing stolen goods from being sold in this manner, why ban pawnbrokers? Even if you accepted the justifications on their face, though, his law goes way too far, especially in the banning of cash transactions. The purpose of the bill could be met simply be requiring some form of Identification be taken when a transaction is made, and that records of the same be maintained. Banning the use of legal tender completely is way over the top.

Additionally, while I haven’t researched the issue, I’m not even sure that the state has the authority to say that Federal Reserve Notes, which Congress has made legal tender for all transactions, cannot be used in a transaction.  I would think that there’s a case to be made here that Louisiana has violated the Supremacy Clause of the Constitutional by saying that U.S. currency cannot be used for a certain class of transactions. Certainly, if this is allowed to stand, then the effect would be that any state could say that cash cannot be used for any number of transaction in the name of “fighting crime,” “public safety,” or whatever other excuse an inventive legislator can come up with.

It’s easy to understand why Louisiana would want to ban cash transactions. Absent some other form of record keeping, cash brings a kind of anonymity that paying with credit cards, debit cards, or checks cannot offer. If I’ve got a hundred bucks in my wallet, I can spend it anywhere I want without any concern that someone, somewhere is tracking me. You can’t say the same thing with any other form of payment. There’s something to be said for the ability to conduct your business without worrying about whether or not what you buy and where you buy is being monitored, either by a private entity or the government. In Louisiana, though, you can’t do that anymore, at least not if you want to buy used goods.

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Westcoaster
Westcoaster
April 15, 2015 4:48 pm

This law has to be unconstitutional since federal reserve notes are “legal tender” as you mention. Wonder if anyone is moving it through the courts?

Dirtscratcher
Dirtscratcher
April 15, 2015 4:51 pm

Sooooo…..does this mean that FRNs are no longer considered legal tender in LA? I detect some serious Constitutional issues here or some blatant hypocrisy. Neither one is anything new, however, in the former USA.

Dirtscratcher
Dirtscratcher
April 15, 2015 4:52 pm

Oooops! Looks like Westcoater beat me to the punch.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
April 15, 2015 4:53 pm

I’ve not been able to find an original source on this.

Anyone?

Until that’s the case, it has a fishy smell.

AC
AC
April 15, 2015 5:03 pm

Re: dc.sunsets “I can’t find . . .”

This might be it: https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB195/id/343620

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
April 15, 2015 5:25 pm

The Supreme Law of the Land, The Constitution Article l Section 10:…make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payments of debts.. So take some silver dollars minted by the US Treasury and start spending them (if you can) openly and I don’t think you will remain free very long. Of course it should be a crime to make that a crime but criminals are making and enforcing their own laws now..

TE
TE
April 15, 2015 5:55 pm

This law wasn’t a surprise, and if the pawnbroker got an exemption, that happened AFTER the original law was passed.

I read about this at least two years ago, and I read where pawnshops were banding together.

EVERYDAY these private businesses are required to submit paperwork. Nah, that isn’t onerous and definitely won’t cause businesses to go Galt.

Just ask Llpoh, or any other business owner, how these “small, non-onerous” requirements are KILLING them.

Every fucking day, a new requirement because someone once, or may, or never, did something the State doesn’t like.

Galt. Drive around your towns and tell me if the mom & pop’s are going to survive many more of these “small” requirements without shutting their doors.

If State employees had to comply with 1/10th the burdens they place upon small businesses, they would surely never come back to work again.

But for us businessmen, well, we are all just evil, and corrupted and committing crimes, we should be HAPPY to spend all our profits processing paperwork for various bureaucrats.

Hell, we should be ecstatic when our businesses can no longer pay our salaries and for all the “experts” and “professionals” we are now required to pay off. But hey, at least the mega-national CEOs are making more money (as a percentage) than EVER in modern history. The Robber Barons got nothing on the likes of Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffett.

I’m afraid if this reaches the Supremes that CONgress will just pass the law outlawing cash altogether. It has been their wetdream for at least 40 years, it’s for the children, drug laws and our safety. This will give them cover, boogeymen will be trotted about, and the majority will happily deal with it as long as the “poor” get free credit cards for their paychecks and government benefits. (Already happening, btw)

Asshole ‘murkins keep buying that shit. Even as their jobs fade away and their futures become more bleak and full of despair.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 15, 2015 6:32 pm

The wife and I have been living a cash existence for almost 16 months now. I pay about four bills per month via check that get mailed out. All other bills including mortgage get paid in person, in cash. Except for the cash in the bank to cover the 4 checks each month we withdraw all but the minimum required to keep the accounts open.

We use a couple of strategies in spending (or not spending) cash that has actually increased our savings rate. None of the grocery store discount cards we use contain our real names, addresses or phone #’s. Credit cards are used very sparingly and paid off in full the minute the bill arrives.

Where I live you can no longer get paid on the spot for scrap metal/recyclables. Now the scan and photocopy your DL and hand write your mailing address on a slip and a couple of weeks later they send you a check.

You can thank the fucking inept system of justice for this shit. The meth heads steal everything from car batteries to grave markers, to monument plaques, power cables, plumbing and who knows what else and instead of executing the fucking scum, TPTB punish EVERYONE else with bullshit rules and regulations. Welcome the new and impoved ‘Murica.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 15, 2015 6:32 pm

Constitution for the United States of America

Article I, Section 10, “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts”

——————————————————————————-

Not that anyone has paid the slightest attention to that part since about December 23 of 1913.

Or any other part of it from various other starting dates, for that matter.

Victor
Victor
April 15, 2015 6:48 pm

IndenturedServant,

I’ve been living on a cash only basis for everything it is practical to buy with cash for about 5 years now. I find I spend, on average, about 15% less than when I used plastic since I always know I’m limited to what I have in my pocket and pay much more attention to both what I buy and how much I pay for it.

It’s not a necessity either since my credit score is a bit over 820 and I constantly get offers for zero percent cash advances for 12 – 18 months on my credit cards (my total cash limit is around 80 to 100 thousand, I haven’t added the cash advance part up lately) and a constant stream of “pre approved” high limit new card and line of credit offers.

Some things such as online purchases, bill payments, and gas purchases still pretty much require online banking and credit card use for simplicity, money orders and checks in the mail and such being a pain and there is still the system involved in those methods anyway.

So keep your cash program up, if everyone did this it would be easy to break a dishonest system and make it honest again (or at least more honest, banks being involved never really generates complete honesty). This is probably why there is so much official opposition to using cash.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
April 15, 2015 6:54 pm

Robert….Robert Kahre tried paying his employees in gold and silver…it got him 15 years in jail .

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 15, 2015 7:30 pm

I hate to spoil the thread but this exact story was out in October 19, 2011. I actually remember posting about this article on ZH. On 10/24/11 it was announced that this legislation was passed into law in LA. I’m sure you will find many sites that posted this in 2011.

The question is why reintroduce it as new in 2015? Curious.

Stanley
Stanley
April 15, 2015 8:14 pm

We too pay cash for everything we buy, bills get paid with check-by-phone.

We don’t own a car.

You can save fabulous amounts of money by operating strictly off of cash and not owning a car. The car enables you to spend more money buying things, as you can just load stuff up in the trunk and the back seat and conveniently haul it home. If you’re walking/taking the bus/carrying and paying cash for every single thing you bring home you weigh your purchases VERY carefully. Stuff is heavier than you think.

We’ve managed to pay off at least $35,000 of debt over the last years living this way. The debt is nearly gone.

Never again will we partake in the illusion of the American Dream. It’s over.

AC
AC
April 15, 2015 8:32 pm

The best part of the law:

(c) The name and address of the person or persons from whom the material was purchased, including the distinctive number of the person’s or persons’ Louisiana driver’s license, driver’s license from another state, passport, military identification, or identification issued by a governmental agency or the United States Postal Service. If the person cannot produce any of the above forms of identification at the time of purchase, the purchaser shall not complete the transaction.

No ID? You’re a non-person, go starve to death in the gutter.

I can only presume that at some point in the future, your ID will be linked to a database listing which things *you* are allowed to buy and sell.

‘Ooo, sorry sir, but Obamacare says your cholesterol is too high, no bacon for you!’

There was a 2008 BBC show called ‘The Last Enemy’ – it’s worth watching, if you haven’t seen it – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Enemy_(TV_series)

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
April 15, 2015 8:44 pm

As others have noted, no matter what the claimed intent, this is ALL about taxes….and keeping everyone “right where they want you.”

If you manage to attract the ire of some prosecutor, cop or bureaucrat, the first thing they do after arresting you is seize every dime you have so you cannot pay a private (effective) attorney. The public defender’s job is to induce plea bargains so prosecutors have 99.999% conviction rates, not to mention that if even a noticeable fraction of criminal charges actually required jury trials, the system would grind to a halt instantly.

This is and always has been about making sure the slaves stay in the quarry cutting stones for Pharaoh’s latest pyramid. Those who rule over us have an entirely different set of rules, and they let the members of the Nomenklatura play with us like a cat toys with a terrified mouse.

Mussolini would be proud:

“All within the state, Nothing outside the state, Nothing against the state.” We are ruled by people who live this mantra with every breath they take…and our neighbors largely agree with it.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
April 15, 2015 8:49 pm

TE, the intent is to force everyone who works to work for The Company (it’s a “public private partnership”), everyone to live in Company Housing and everyone to shop at the Company Store.

Mom & Pop, sole proprietorships and small business are NOT part of The Company and too messy and hassle-laden for Big Brother to control, so they are being squeezed out entirely.

Soon there will be the following nodes for economic activity:
1. government.
2. large corporations.
3. not-for-profits that are cousins of the state.
4. welfare.
5. the black market.

Our future is Italy, where if the black market didn’t function and people really had to observe the details of Red Tape that binds them, the country would collapse and people would starve.

Grow a garden, but don’t advertise that you’re doing so. That, too, is on their radar.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
April 15, 2015 9:09 pm

Admin, they’d force you at gunpoint to vote if they could. Australia is toying with mandatory voting.

Why?

It binds the slaves to the plantation when they can be convinced that exercising a periodic choice between plantation-owner-approved Overseers has any input into the conditions of their servitude.

Voting. The perfect way to get moron chattel to think they’re free men, so they work harder.

Falconflight
Falconflight
April 15, 2015 10:39 pm

Why I even bother to post or read anymore. I can’t say what that state legislator sponsoring said bill, those voting for it, and the Governor that signed it into law should face…

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 15, 2015 10:50 pm

Stanley- Bravo, you are one of the smart folks that woke up and looked at life in the proper manner. Banksters can’t touch you and that is a good thing. You too IS.

starfcker
starfcker
April 16, 2015 1:43 am

Bea is perfect, so I will just echo, bravo stanley. And DC, your 8:49 post is right on the money. Nice work.

Bob
Bob
April 16, 2015 12:00 pm

What the hell — let’s get a state to ban credit, and watch what happens! It might even be constitutional!