S.Q.O.T.D. — The Wall (again)

Trump will not build The Wall.

What Gator said. x2

Landmines would be cheaper and more effective.

Just like Nehemiah, he will build The Wall; yes it is one of several needed changes; Trump is right and the dummies are the Americans opposed to The Wall. We need The Wall not dumbed down drugged NWO bisexual Socialist criminal non-citizen voters (and even many Ghost voters) who hate English, the Constitution, Traditional American Values and even want to force US to become Mexicans or Muslims. Dump the NWO not Trump.

ottomatik and rhs jr, your naivety is touching. and ottomatik, it sounds like, based on your statement, all we need to do is enforce existing law, no new wall needed. And its you whose analysis “utterly fails”. I notice you didn’t mention what I said is needed to end this. None of what you say will do a damn thing, except build the police state even bigger, unless the welfare state is ended.

Any analysis or proposal that doesn’t include that is doomed to failure and isn’t even worth discussing. I thought all you guys were for smaller govt, lower taxes, and less govt spending? How will spending billions on a wall, billions on new federal police forces, while CONTINUING to spend billions on the existing welfare state for all the people who go over, under, or around this grand new wall work out? How is any of this helping the goal of smaller government? As usual, “conservatives” are hypocrites.

Huh? Gator are you calling me a hypocrite? Convienent, I doubt you know what a conservative is and forcing me into some imaginary conservative box is strait up retardation.
I don’t give a fuck about conservatism.
I do believe in the Constitution and the very exact borders it defines and is applicable within. It is clear to me we need to control these borders. It can be done with very little additional spending, maybe less than we are spending now, if done correctly.
So your contention is if we end the welfare state no Mexicans will come? What about to work? How about the trillion dollar drug trade?
Do you at least acknowledge the entire Federal Government is on stand down regarding Mexican immigration?
You think Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona wont act? Or Border Patrol wont do their jobs? Or can’t? ICE?

1. No

2. HELL no.

3. That’s a trick question, ain’t it?

Of course he will build the wall. Quick. Congress already approved it (the secure fence act 2006). For the first time in a long time we will have a president who doesn’t see the drug trade as a desirable way to prop up Mexico’s lack of an economy. Trump is a game changer. look at all the stupid he is bringing out in his critics.

He wants to tax remittances to Mexico to pay for it. If the worthless, treasonous, garbage in Congress is afraid of losing their seats, it will happen.

I’d like to see illegals punished by 5 to 10 years of hard labor – building the wall.

Gator’s flawed cuck logic: “Well, a really dedicated criminal is going to get into my house no matter what, might as well leave the door unlocked and windows open. Then I get to ostracize my neighbors for their naivety while maintaining my smug libertarian ego.”

Its not just a wall, its a complex network of measures, that include NAFTA. I prefer we roll NAFTA back, thanks we tried it but No Thanks. That will surely reduce cross boarder traffic and push it back to longshoreman. Lets just let Boarder Patrol and ICE do their jobs. We could offer a path to citizenship for those here(again, but for real this time), put the teeth in Everify, and return to sanity with little fanfare and no great Law Enforcement mobilization.
This still does not address the 800 pound gorilla in the living room. Drugs, there will still be Yuuge profit margins in hauling drugs across. Primarily Coke, Heroin, and Meth, now that all the weed is grown down the street from me. Best to just ride this wave of change and decriminalize(bone to SSS) or some form of legalization of all drugs.
With all of the above we could practically reverse the flow. The boarder with Mexico will almost be like our boarder to the north, well never, but much improved.
Will not happen, too much money in drugs and economic slaves, both sides.

Stuck – I have zero problem with any nation defending its borders, as that is what defines a country. If a country cannot/does not defend its borders, it is not a country. It becomes someone else’s country soon enough in that event.

They have a right to do whatever necessary to keep people from entering without permission. That said, mines/gatling guns/whatever are extreme for step 1 – there are many other steps that will accomplish the same result, for the most part: denying the illegals bennies/jobs/etc. will do the trick.

But if the less drastic measures do not work, I have no problem sealing the inward borders by any force necessary.

It is the outward borders that must be kept open.

I’m not much on shooting people for trespassing. But I also don’t care about some liberal British homo’s opinion, either. Walls always work. We’re gonna built it. It will do the job it was intended to do. Too easy.

“1. No citizenship by birth in the US for foreign nationals”

That means repealing the 14th Amendment. Read the text of the amendment to see where that became law with the enactment of the amendment.

Let’s break this down by the proposed solutions.

– The wall is certainly the common sense solution that will solve the bulk of the problem. You want to keep wolves out, you build a fence. Want to keep your toddlers away from the stairwell, you put up a gate. It doesn’t mean a wolf won’t chew through the fence, or tunnel under it, or your child won’t figure out how to open a gate. But it is a relatively low-cost solution to quickly stop the bulk of the problem. The anti-wallers only argument seems to be that a wall won’t be 100% effective. True, some ingenious foreigners will tunnel under it, exploit a weakness in it, take a raft or a crude submarine, or hide in a shipping container, or wheel well of a jumbo jet. That doesn’t negate the millions who will be stopped by the wall, who will not come because of it. If you don’t believe it, go to a gym that has ropes, and sit and watch people try to climb it. Most aren’t sure if they can, and they get about two or three feet off the ground, before awkwardly dropping to the ground and looking around to see if they were noticed. Most of our tough guy military, the same ones who demand you “thank them for their service” can’t climb a rope or do more than 5 pullups, so I doubt Benita and her kids are going to scale Trump’s wall after a 100 mile hike through the desert.

– Stopping the “economic incentives” alone will never be enough. It’s going to be exponentially harder to end welfare than to build Trump’s Wall. Even so, the only way to truly end all “economic incentives” is to degrade the USA to the point where it is on par with the shittiest of nations. As messed up as this country is, people still get up to collect the trash, the water comes out of the pipes, the stoplights function properly. You can get rid of every vestige of the welfare state and the hordes will still be lined up at the gates; the bulk of the world will always be clamoring to get into countrys run by Whites and Asians.

– Minefields, machine guns, et. al sound harsh, but only to our modern sensibilities. Our ancestors who lived and died by the threats and harsh realities of invasions would have yearned for such weapons to protect their people. It’s also true that you wouldn’t necessarily have to use them. The Germans during WWII had some very impressive, but functionally obsolete battleships that rarely ventured out to sea. However, they were not useless due to the concept of a “fleet in being,” meaning the British had to dedicate significant resources to potentially stopping them, even as the battleships sat mothballed in French ports. So to would be any weapons placed along Trump’s wall. People really wouldn’t want to test their efficacy en masse. The Berlin Wall had pits and dragon’s teeth along it — How many tanks did you see attempting to charge into those measures?

– Holding employers criminally and financially liable is also a great solution. The government loves to collect fines and throw people in cages, so why not let them to do it for a reason that benefits the people for once? If it’s fair that your employment is severely limited and scrutinized for that DUI you got in 1992, why should some douche in a suit get a pass when Juan Guiterrez Golzaelz Ramiez shows up with nothing put a freshly printed Social Security card and the boss claims ignorance? Turn this police state that’s been harassing us for so many years on people who deserve it for once.

– Punishing Mexico is another fine idea. A cruel but realistic rule of the world is that the strong hold power over the weak. Mexico is in no position to take on a USA government finally committed to preserving its own interest. Right now Mexico is using the USA as a dumping ground for its criminals, as a foster mother to relieve pressure on its infrastructure, and as a cash cow for money being sent back to the mother country. Remove the incentives and make it less undesirable for Mexico’s ruling elite to keep its trash than to clash with the USA. Suddenly their own border patrol will be very interested in keeping people in.

It seems to me Trump’s Wall will stop about 80% of the trouble, with throwing a few CEOs and landlords in jail raising that to about 90%. Local law enforcement will pick up the slack when those who do get through eventually run a red light. Unfortunately, a few well meaning old timers on here seem to be perennial cynics. They have been cynical for so long that they are incapable of being anything else, even when we finally have a guy on our side with a chance to win. The only they enjoy more than complaining ad naseum about our problems, is complaining ad naseum about any solutions.

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