The Government Made Me a Litterbug

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Uncle has turned me into a litterbug.beer bottles

I’ve chucked empty beer bottles out the window. I do not like doing this. I feel guilty about doing this. I never used to do this.

So why do I do it now?

Because having an “open container” – or an empty one – in one’s car invites severe (and for me, a car journalist, life-altering) consequences. If one happens to be pulled over by a cop for any random reason (seatbelt “violation,” “speeding,” an out-of-date sticker) and he sees an “open” or “empty” in the car, you are in serious trouble.

Better call Saul.

Even if the “empty” has been empty for weeks.

Even if all you’ve had is a sip – and your BAC level is nowhere near the legal limit defining “drunk” driving.

It doesn’t matter.

checkpointYou still face the possibility of being charged with “drinking while driving” or “driving under the influence” – whatever the verbiage –  and are subject to arrest and prosecution just as you would be if you “blew” a .08 or more on the Breathalyzer (see here for an interesting legal explanation/analysis) machine.

Except you didn’t.

Not being “drunk” isn’t a defense.

All that’s required to establish your “guilt” is the presence in the car of the open/empty container – even if it’s not yours. Even if you didn’t have so much as a sip.

You are presumed guilty of drinking while driving by dint of the presence of the container and it being opened or empty.

This is not unlike characterizing an 18-year-old as a “sex offender” because he had relations with his 17-year-old girlfriend.

Sober drivers are subject to being arrested and convicted and their lives ruined for what amounts to the same offense – in terms of what will happen to them – as drivers whose BAC levels are at or beyond the legal threshold defining them as “drunk.”

Even though theirs aren’t.

Hence the motivation to throw any empties out the window.open contaoner graphic

Littering is a small bust.

Clovers (see here) will sniff that people simply ought not to drink alcohol while driving, ever, regardless of the amount. But the presence of a bottle in the car does not establish that the driver has been drinking. Only that someone did. At some point. Maybe a long time ago.

But even if the driver was drinking, so what?

It’s ok – legal – for me to drive after having a meal with a beer to wash it down. I could walk up to a cop, tell him I am going over to that restaurant across the street to have a steak and plan to have a beer with that steak. And then drive home. The cop – if he is a vengeful dick – could perhaps pull me over to “check” whether I’ve had more than one beer, but provided my BAC level is under the limit, provided he cannot fault my driving, he can do nothing to me, legally speaking.

Why should it matter whether I drink the same beer on the way home?

My BAC will be about the same – well within the lawful range, either way.

And if that BAC isn’t at the “drunk driving” threshold (.08) what’s the problem?open beer pic

Especially if it’s well below the threshold.

Open container or not.

Well, here’s the problem:

Clovers equate the presence of any alcohol whatever in one’s system with “drunk” driving – and are positively itching to imprison people for this “offense.” But they know it’s not – yet – politically palatable to cage people for having even trace amounts of alcohol in their systems, so they don’t say this openly.

Instead, they shriek about “open containers.”

But isn’t it the same thing?

These victims – and that’s the right word – aren’t being caged for drunkenness. They are being caged for drinking.

Open container laws are in force in almost every state – egged on by Uncle, who uses the bully stick of withholding federal highway monies  – to cage people who aren’t “drunk” (or even close to it) according to any of the current standards (BAC levels, roadside gymnastic exercises) by which “impairment” is measured; who have nil or practically nil BAC levels.

Who don’t even have to have been drinking to get convicted of drinking.

They merely had an open container in the car.open beer

Doesn’t matter whether they had just as sip. Five minutes ago – or five weeks ago.

Or not at all.

Just that it is open. Or that it once contained alcohol.

In other words, mere possession of the open alcohol container is the thing. This is what presumes impairment – even if the driver isn’t and the usual tests reveal him to be well within the law.

The “open container” thing is simply a tactical tacit step toward outright Prohibition. That’s the end goal. The eventual criminalization of alcohol consumption in any amount within the nimbus of the operation of a motor vehicle.

This objective has been openly stated by the uber Clovers at Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). And they have succeeded with regard to drivers under the age of 21. It is already “zero tolerance” for them.

Eventually, for us, too.

Some may see this as a good thing, the usual mantras about “safety” wafting through the air. But we’re far from safe when the state can convict you of “drinking” while driving even when you haven’t been – and can convict you of being a “drunk” when all you’ve had is a drink.

Or even just a sip.


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16 Comments
KaD
KaD
June 24, 2016 6:37 pm

It’s FAR worse then you think: The Supreme Court ruling in Utah v Strieff awarded the police total freedom to stop any citizen, at any time, to do whatever they desire. The Supreme Court determined that the “poisonous fruit” of a police officer’s stop of a citizen can be used against them at trial. This has wiped out, in reality, any constitutional protection you thought you had. This is a sad day for the United States, for the Supreme Court has officially created a full-blown police state and clearly has no intention of honoring why this nation began the entire American Revolution — to prevent illegal searches that allowed the king to look for anything he could use to prosecute citizens.

The Supreme Court Just Created a Full-Blown Police State – The End of the USA Cannot Be Far Behind

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 24, 2016 6:41 pm

Maybe you shouldn’t be drinking a beer while driving in your car.

1980XLS
1980XLS
  Anonymous
June 24, 2016 10:08 pm

Fucking imbecile you are.

Falconflight
Falconflight
  Anonymous
June 24, 2016 11:20 pm

You fcking BrainStem. Why don’t you climb up a jackboot’s arse and post your observations.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
June 24, 2016 6:57 pm

Years ago, it was legal in Texas to drink while driving. I always thought that was a particularly friendly and trusting law (and attitude) for the State and their enforcement crew to have. I got pulled over more than once (speeding) with an open beer (not drunk) and lost no more than the contents of that beer and the fine for speeding. And my passengers were not dinged at all.

Those days are gone. I miss them. Nothing like a road soda.

kokoda
kokoda
June 24, 2016 7:58 pm

Anon….maybe you should re-read the article.

kokoda
kokoda
  kokoda
June 24, 2016 8:00 pm

I see a lot of good comments by Anonymous on various posts, but not this one.

Stucky
Stucky
June 24, 2016 8:18 pm

Open container laws are stupid, fer sure.

But, throwing beer bottles out your window? WTF? Suppose 100 people did that in the same neighborhood. Pretty soon it would look like the 30 blocks. Eric, in this case, you’re a fucking douchebag pig.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
June 25, 2016 8:48 am

It is truly stunning that 7 people voted me down for being against littering the landscape.

Of course, none of you cocksuckers identified yourselves. Typical cowards. I can’t imagine what your homes look like … filthy pigsties, much like yourselves.

1980XLS
1980XLS
June 24, 2016 10:07 pm

Been living the dream for years. Prolly chucked thousands out the window for the same reason over the years,

ASIG
ASIG
June 24, 2016 11:14 pm

I lean more towards punishment that is associated with bad/dangerous behavior and not some arbitrary condition. In other words if a person is driving properly managing to follow all the traffic laws and is not creating a dangerous condition then I could care less if the person is drunk or not. If the persons driving is improper and dangerous then punish the crap out of them whether their drunk or not doesn’t matter. Punish the bad behavior. . If someone’s drunken driving results in injury or death to someone else then throw the book at them with no leniency given for first time offence. The person injured is no less injured just because the driver had never injured others before.

So given the above standard, an open container in your car is totally irrelevant.

Vodka
Vodka
June 25, 2016 1:16 am

I can’t read the U.S. map legend. What are red and yellow States?

JimWa
JimWa
  Vodka
June 25, 2016 7:15 am

Blue is Open Container Law conforms to Fed standard.
Red is other Open Container Law.
Yellow is no Open Container Law.

noname
noname
June 25, 2016 1:57 am

Thats why you should drink beer out of a can when you are driving. Throwing them out the window is giving money to the homless. Doing a good deed.

Fabulous
Fabulous
June 25, 2016 9:09 am

Is this the same author who wants to drive as fast as he wants? Now while drinking a beer? There is a NASCAR joke in there hiding somewhere.

Annie
Annie
June 25, 2016 10:08 am

It is much worse than that. I live in a town with a “transfer station” (dump) where we take all the trash and recyclables. It is a catch 22. It is either inconvenient or illegal to dump the empties on your own property. But you could easily be pulled over and charged with “open container” when you’re taking all of the empties to the dump. Depending on the state law it may not matter whether you have rinsed all trace of stale beer from the bottles. The only other choice is to hire a private trash hauling company (extra $ plus how does the trash company avoid the “open container” laws???)