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First The UK, Then Scotland… Then Texas?

Submitted by Ryan McMaken via The Mises Institute,

That didn’t take long. Only hours after the final results came in for a British exit from the EU, political leaders in Scotland are talking about renewing their drive to secede from the United Kingdom

Pointing to the fact that a large majority of Scots voted to remain in the EU, Scottish advocates for independence are now claiming (convincingly) that Scotland is leaving the EU against its will.

Many of us who advocated for Scottish secession in 2014 were, of course fine with Scottish secession at the time. And we’re still fine with it now. Scotland should be free to say good bye and got its own way.

Some opponents of Scottish exit, however, have claimed that Scotland is too small “to go it alone.” Defenders of Scottish independence call this the “too wee, too poor, too stupid” argument.

 

Even the most rudimentary analysis, however, shows that size is not an issue for Scotland. With an official GDP of approximately 245 billion, Scotland is not too much different from Ireland, Finland, and Denmark. It’s economy is much larger than that of Iceland (16.7 bln) and New Zealand (172 bln).

With a population of 5.3 million, this puts Scotland either similar to or larger than Denmark, Norway, Finland, New Zealand, and Ireland.

With a population this size, Scotland’s GDP per capita comes out to around $45,000 which naturally is similar to the UK overall today, and also similar to Canada, the Netherlands, Austria, Finland, and a number of other European states, both large and small.

Some will argue that Scots cannot go it alone because they rely too much on English taxpayers for transfer payments such as pensions. This is no doubt partially true, although the UK government also extracts tax dollars from Scots, regulates Scottish trade with the EU and everyone else, and perhaps the Scottish simply want independence even if it means a temporary disruption in living standards.

Overall, though, there’s no denying that Scotland even by itself is well within the realm of ordinary wealthy nation states, in terms of population, and the size of its economy. Scotland is in no way an outlier. 

The claim that it is “too small” was repeated today, however, in this article by Roger Bootle at The Telegraph in which he writes:

Believe it or not, there is an extensive economic literature on the subject of the optimum size of a country, or more accurately, political association. From the economic point of view, as the size of political entities gets larger, there is scope for economies of scale in government and the provision of public goods such as defence. Equally, within a single political entity there are no restrictions on trade, such as tariffs or quotas so, other things being equal, the gains from trade are maximised as political entities grow larger.

 

Yet there are limits to the desirable size of political entities, such that, as things stand anyway, a single world government would not be optimal. The larger, and certainly the more heterogeneous, a political entity is, the more resources are taken up with arguing about distribution, that is to say who should benefit from various sorts of public expenditure, and who should pay for it. The quality of government tends to deteriorate.

Bootle is correct that there are certainly advantages of size when it comes to national defense. Obviously, it’s much harder for a foreign invader to overrun Russia than Poland. What Bootle misses, however, is that these issues can be addressed through confederation rather than through political unification. The original purpose of the United States, of course, was to act as a confederation for purposes of national defense. Member, states, however, remained autonomous within their own borders. Similar structures have existed throughout history, from NATO to the Hanseatic league of northern Europe.

Scotland need not be part of the UK to enter into a defense agreement with the British. 

The rest of Bootle’s argument appears even more specious. It is not a given, for example, that larger states facilitate trade. As the UK experience has shown, membership in the EU has granted access to some markets, but it has cut off access and flexibility with other markets. (Norway and Switzerland have access to these same markets, by the way, without EU membership.)

This was also an enormous issue and source of conflict in the United States, in regards to southern states. Yes, membership in the United States facilitated trade among states, but trade between Southern states and foreign markets was hampered by US tariff policy. To claim that gains from trade are “maximised” by larger states is rather overstating it, to say the least.

In fact, there are many reasons to believe that the “optimal” size of state is considerably smaller than what Bootle suggests it is. (The subtext of Bootle’s article, of course, is that Scotland is below the optimal size.)

As Peter St. Onge wrote in 2014 about the Scottish referendum at the time:

So small is possible. But is it a good idea?

 

The answer, perhaps surprisingly, is resoundingly “Yes!” Statistically speaking, at least. Why? Because according to numbers from the World Bank Development Indicators, among the 45 sovereign countries in Europe, small countries are nearly twice as wealthy as large countries. The gap between biggest-10 and smallest-10 ranges between 84 percent (for all of Europe) to 79 percent (for only Western Europe).

 

This is a huge difference: To put it in perspective, even a 79 percent change in wealth is about the gap between Russia and Denmark. That’s massive considering the historical and cultural similarities especially within Western Europe.

 

Even among linguistic siblings the differences are stark: Germany is poorer than the small German-speaking states (Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, and Liechtenstein), France is poorer than the small French-speaking states (Belgium, Andorra, Luxembourg, and Switzerland again and, of course, Monaco). Even Ireland, for centuries ravaged by the warmongering English, is today richer than their former masters in the United Kingdom, a country fifteen times larger.

 

Why would this be? There are two reasons. First, smaller countries are often more responsive to their people. The smaller the country the stronger the policy feedback loop. Meaning truly awful ideas tend to get corrected earlier. Had Mao Tse Tung been working with an apartment complex instead of a country of nearly a billion-people, his wacky ideas wouldn’t have killed millions.

 

Second, small countries just don’t have the money to engage in truly crazy ideas. Like Wars on Terror or world-wide daisy-chains of military bases. An independent Scotland, or Vermont, is unlikely to invade Iraq. It takes a big country to do truly insane things.

A Lesson for American States 

When Americans indulge in thought experiments about the possible secession of American states, it is often assumed that most US states are too small “to go it alone.” Indeed, most Americans greatly underestimate the size of many American states in relation to numerous independent and prosperous existing nation-states.

Were Scotland a US state, for example, it would be only a medium-sized state, with a GDP smaller than the gross state products of both Missouri and Connecticut, making it about the 25th largest state in terms of GDP. Population-wise, Scotland is about equal to Minnesota and Colorado (I have removed China and the US combined economy from this graph to improve scale):

In this map, I’ve compared American states to foreign countries of similar GDP:

For more similar maps, see here.

Moreover, few Americans appreciate how enormous some American states are, especially the largest four states: California, Texas, New York, and Florida. 

In terms of both population and GDP, California is about equal to Canada — and with much better weather. Texas is equal in economy and population size to Australia. Pennsylvania’s economy is similar in size to Switzerland.

While secession of American states is often dismissed as absurd, there are few reasons to believe that a state like Texas – to name just one example – could not immediately transition from state to nation-state. With a large economy, port cities, oil, and easy access to European, Latin American, and even Asian economies by sea, economics arguments against such a separation fall flat. And of course, the success of smaller states like Norway, Denmark, and Switzerland illustrate that bigness is truly unnecessary. Naturally, many other states even beyond the biggest states — such as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, North Carolina and others — could do the same. These states would all be among the largest economies on earth were they to leave the US.

“But what about national defense!” some may argue. “Wouldn’t Texas be constantly at war with the United States?” Experience suggests that Texas would be at war with the United States about as frequently as Canada has been at war with the United States: zero times since 1815.

International wars rarely erupt between countries with common languages, common histories, and common economic interests. Should Scotland secede, the UK won’t be sending in the tanks, and Scotland could easily join the realm of independent nation states, just as many American states could do the same.

 

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susanna
susanna
June 25, 2016 10:44 am

thank you so much for this explanatory post.

Stucky
Stucky
  susanna
June 25, 2016 11:01 am

Suzanna, I’m sure you are gorgeous. But, I would like to nominate you for TBP’s Miss (or, Mrs.) Congeniality Award.

Hardly a thread goes by where you fail to compliment either the writer, or the OP. That’s really nice. Seriously.

You’re like SweetCream …. which is the opposite of me, Herr ShitStirrer. I think we make a good pair.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Stucky
June 25, 2016 2:02 pm

Taken

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
June 25, 2016 5:08 pm

I have a tiarra she can wear. We could have Tiarra Tuesdays on TBP.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  Stucky
June 25, 2016 6:45 pm

How lovely of you to say that…wow.
Thanks so much. Now off with you
sir, to buy a treat for Mrs. Freud…
at the least, a pint of her favorite
ice cream. Then get to the kissing!
Suzanna

Persnickety
Persnickety
June 25, 2016 11:10 am

Look at the map of Texas secession. Canada is going to be pissed that we stole every last inch of the Great Lakes up to their shorelines. They might go so far as to write a stern letter.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
  Persnickety
June 25, 2016 11:32 am

Skippy doesn’t know how to write letters!!

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
June 25, 2016 11:17 am

If Texas left, the power-drunk control freaks would send in the armed forces – only they probably wouldn’t go. I live elsewhere, but have family in Texas, lived there a few years and gained friends, do business with Texas firms and like the culture. Were I in the armed forces, I would resign – and go join the Texas (national) guard, Rangers or whatever would have me, or militia.

This would probably destroy the United States (government); but then, the ones in charge are doing that now, and it would only be hastening the process. Once in charge of its own borders, foreign policy and currency I think Texas would put the remaining (undivided) US economy to shame in terms of growth and strength, run off all the Islamics and institute sound money, eliminate debt financing and stop participating in pointless foreign wars.

Hell, let’s not let Texas secede alone – let’s all 50 states secede from the District of Columbia! Let ten square miles of Delaware swampland try and order the world around!

.prusmc
.prusmc
  jamesthewanderer
June 25, 2016 12:43 pm

James

Roger that! The only drawback is that each day Texas becomes less Texas: migrants from California,well to do and productive, disillusioned with golden state but voting to transform Texas into the paradise lost they fled; sizeable Moslem influx loyal not to US, why to Texas; newly infiltrated La Raza adherients and their off-spring, not your traditional proud Tex-Mex; a self-hating university and educational elite; a huge network of Federal employees dependent on their biweekly pay check;and last,but not least, the urban. FSA that Bernie unsuccessfully aroused. Unfortunately, each set of parasites or working centralists is growing fast. Maybe in 1970 there was a possibility of a Texite but not the will. There might be some will today but the way has vanished. I would love to be able to say to DC as Davey Crocket did “you sir, can go to hell but I am going to Texas”.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  .prusmc
June 25, 2016 2:01 pm

Don’t forget, prus, that Mexicans also remember those halcyon days when San Antone was part of Mejico. Their experience was as if America lost half its territory in one fell swoop to the Chinese.
Maybe they didn’t live it but their history books haven’t been properly purged and cleansed by the memory hole.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  jamesthewanderer
June 25, 2016 6:51 pm

James,
what a great suggestion! It would be fantastic if
the governors had an epiphany and joined (mental)
forces. End the Fed and the Fed. Excellante’

CT-Hilltopper
CT-Hilltopper
June 25, 2016 11:24 am

Grexit
Departugal
Freckoff
Oustria
Finish
Byegium.

When they get to Slovakout and Czechout, let me know!

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 25, 2016 11:26 am

Remember the Alamo.

razzle
razzle
  Anonymous
June 25, 2016 4:25 pm

@anon — “Remember the Alamo.”

It’s a cheap tourist trap.

We aren’t prepared to fight the long fight. We don’t have a long term vision. We can develop one, but then we’ll be the new totalitarian demanding 100% obedience.

We’re already in hell… we’re already ruled by a single minded tyrant. Every victory will be turned into a movie, game, and tourist shop serving hell.

I don’t mind people resisting… it must happen otherwise hell will MAKE you resist. But to pretend you aren’t just building ideas for future theme parks is naiive.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  razzle
June 25, 2016 6:53 pm

nonsense, you are cynical today.

razzle
razzle
  Suzanna
June 25, 2016 7:12 pm

Fine. Compare what a liberty minded person in 200AD could choose compared to what you can choose and tell me you’re on the right side of liberty.

I know it’s a fun exercise, but no reason to be outright stupid about the sort of people you’re up against. You have beliefs that will prevent you from killing someone. They don’t. Either you are or you aren’t part of the program. If you aren’t… either you are or you aren’t a problem. If you are… either you are or you aren’t significant enough to matter.

You have an entirely different metric and this will always put you at a disadvantage to them. Be beautifully thoughtful, but don’t be stupid.

harry p
harry p
June 25, 2016 12:55 pm

I want central PA to secede from PA and become Pennsyltucky. Fuck Shittsburgh and Baghdadelphia.

Stucky
Stucky
  harry p
June 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Hey, Harry. Just curious …. what’s wrong with Pittsburgh?

I’ve only been there twice .. day trip. But, I’ve always liked the “image” I had of the city … salt of the earth blue-collar steel workers, and all. Remember Deer Hunter? Loved the Steel Curtain. And, the Pirates put together a collection of awesome players; Clemente, Wagner, Stargell, Mazeroski, Kiner, Parker, … even Bonds, before his nutsack shriveled up.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  harry p
June 25, 2016 6:55 pm

…already he identifies a problem.

Full Retard
Full Retard
June 25, 2016 2:12 pm

“Alice laughed. ‘There’s no use trying,’ she said. ‘One can’t believe impossible things.’

I daresay you haven’t had much practice,’ said the Queen. ‘When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.

KaD
KaD
June 25, 2016 3:44 pm

I think this would be a good time to break the US into territories and eliminate the entire Federal government. Return power to the states.

There Are Now More Bureaucrats With Guns Than U.S. Marines

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran
June 25, 2016 3:59 pm

jamesthewanderer says: “…Hell, let’s not let Texas secede alone – let’s all 50 states secede from the District of Columbia! Let ten square miles of Delaware swampland try and order the world around!”

DC was part of Maryland

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
June 25, 2016 6:09 pm

Fine, ten square miles of Maryland swampland isn’t going to order the world around either!
Happy now?

Actually, good on you for catching my error. They are so rare you should be proud to be first to point it out! Of course, I only did that to make sure you were paying attention ….. (tell me another one, Uncle Remus!)

bb
bb
June 25, 2016 9:16 pm

None of this talk would even be necessary if congress did its constitutional duty and issued our currency interest free.We borrow our own currency at interest. Now that’s grown to 20 trillion.Insanity at its finest.

Ed
Ed
June 26, 2016 9:11 am

“None of this talk would even be necessary if congress did its constitutional duty and issued our currency interest free”

Cite the Constitutional provision that empowers the federal government to issue currency. Hint:

There isn’t one.

“None of this talk would even be necessary if congress did its constitutional duty.”

There. Fixed.