Folks, there is VERY CREDIBLE info all over the internet that military doctrine TODAY actually believes that the USA!USA!USA! can win a nuke war with Russia via a First Strike delivery.
This is fucking nuts. PURE FUCKING NUT FUCKERY INSANITY!!! Does Trump believe this doctrine? No! Does Hillcunt? YES!!! That psychopath Alzheimer ridden cunt has the capacity and willingness to actually “press the button”. This alone is reason to vote Trump … unless, of course, you have always wanted to glow-in-the-dark.
Our military “leaders” ALWAYS and CONSTANTLY underestimate the military capabilities of our foes. Always. Constantly. Every war we’ve had since WWII. The head nigger in charge actually referred to Russia as a mere “regional power“. No more monkeys for POTUS! Fucken maroon. Russia has made enormous technological military improvements in the last 10-15 years, equaling the might of the USA!USA!USA! … and even surpassing us in several areas.
Russia is not Grenada. Or, Serbia. Or, Afghanistan. Or, Yemen. Or, Syria. Or, Iraq. Russians fight back.
An American first strike on Russia will result in the utter destruction of this country The Day After.
Save America. Vote Trump.
https://youtu.be/G_Csm4O5dfA
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During the Cold War, Russia created a fail-safe device for their nuclear weapons arsenal to ensure a second strike capability even if all command and control were to be destroyed. The system (code-named Dead Hand) utilized seismic, light, radioactivity, and pressure sensors to detect an incoming nuclear attack and retaliate if necessary. The best part? The system is almost certainly still operational.
The main command and control of the strategic missiles is called Kazbek. It is famous for its nuclear briefcase codenamed Cheget. Perimeter is an alternative command system of Russia’s nuclear forces. It was designed to automatically control a massive nuclear attack.
The development of a system of guaranteed retaliation began in the midst of the Cold War when it became clear that electronic warfare systems, which were being constantly improved, would soon be able to block the regular channels controlling the strategic nuclear forces. A backup method of communication was needed that would guarantee the commands would make it to the launchers.
It was then that the idea was conceived to use a missile equipped with a powerful radio transmitter as a communication link. While flying over the Soviet Union, the missile would send the launch command not only to command centres of the strategic missile force, but also directly to the launchers.
The system is made up of command ballistic missiles. Instead of flying towards the enemy, they fly over Russia, and instead of thermonuclear warheads, they carry transmitters that can send a command to launch all available combat missiles in silos, aircraft, submarines and mobile ground units. The system is fully automated, the human factor is excluded or minimized in it.
The decision to launch command missiles is made by an autonomous control and command system – a complex artificial intelligence system. It receives and analyzes a wide variety of information about seismic activity and radiation, atmospheric pressure, and the intensity of chatter on military radio frequencies. It monitors telemetry from the observation posts of the strategic missile force and data from early warning systems (EWS).
If it detects, for example, multiple point sources of powerful ionizing and electromagnetic radiation, it compares them with data on seismic disturbances in the same locations, and makes a decision whether or not there was a massive nuclear strike. In this case, Perimeter would initiate a retaliation strike bypassing even Kazbek.
Another scenario is if the country’s leadership receives information from the EWS that other countries have launched missiles, it would activate Perimeter. If the shutdown command does not come within a certain amount of time, the system will launch missiles. This eliminates the human factor and ensures there would be a retaliatory strike even if the command and launch teams were completely destroyed.
In peacetime, Perimeter is dormant but continues, however, to analyze incoming information. When it is put on high alert or when it receives a warning signal from the EWS, strategic forces, or other systems, a monitoring network of sensors is launched to detect signs of nuclear explosions.
Russian leaders have repeatedly assured foreign governments that there is no risk of an accidental or unauthorized missile launch. Before launching, Perimeter checks for four conditions. First, whether there was a nuclear attack.
Then it checks the communication link with the General Staff. If there is still a link, the system shuts down. If the General Staff does not respond, Perimeter sends a request to Kazbek. If there is no response there either, the artificial intelligence gives any person in the command bunker the right to make the decision. And only then it starts to act.
Dr. Strangelove!
That sick bitch is not fit to even be above ground, let alone running for a post as dog catcher.
To think that I breathe the same air as that pig. Barf bag please.
I am so happy I got to see this right away, Stucky. Several comments, the immediate ones being my first reactions.
1. You obviously have zero interest or intention that this article be made more public by being picked up by a blog with a wider audience share. Otherwise, you might have at least disguised calling Hillbitch a cunt several times by using the less offensive “C@NT” or some other cleverly disguised non-PC trigger word.
2. I demand an answer from the TBP grammar police right now. IS IT Maroon or Moran?
3. If you remember my introductory essays about my time in the USAF, I mentioned an experience in Iceland during the Cold War when our enemy, the USSR, was allowed to land MiGs at the Naval Air Station during a bad storm, post their own protective guards with weapons at the ready and were fed at the chow hall. I realized then something about our philosophical differences with the Russians was a farce.
4. Go Trump. (I always make it clear who I am attempting to flatter.)
LOL
The article/video is from Russia Insider … so Zero Hedge could pick it up from there.
btw … maroon and moran are synonyms.
Stucky
Thanks for clearing up the confusion with those words.
Cheers
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One (maroon) is a word for a color; moran is not a word. Both are TBP slang for moron.
“2. I demand an answer from the TBP grammar police right now. IS IT Maroon or Moran?”
Maroon is a color.
Moroon is a Moran/Moron version of a Mormon….but I repeat myself.
Moran is the TBP version of Moron……..generally an overachieving Moron.
Moron is an underachieving Moran. (see above)
BTW T4C, you should probably skeedaddle to Russia now so that you can make sweet love to Putsey in his bunker while the world melts from nuclear war.
My dictionary says “moron”. Definition: Stucky.
So what if the Russians take out the west coast ? So what if they take out New England starting with New York City .Even better Washington D.C. and New Jersey , the whole state .( I Hate that Damn place )
Stucky , I know that would mean saying goodbye to you but I believe it would be for the….greater good…sorry.
Dr ,Strangelove,great movie.
Idiot. What makes you think I won’t survive? TWO things will survive in a nuked NJ … cockroaches and Stucky.
Since labor day is around the corner. Let us remember all of us hard workers, honoring our pledge daily to work and have 29-38% or our earned, back busting work stolen from us. Having to report our pay .gov their fare share. “We rise in the morning. smiled with the rising sun.”
“3 little birds, pitched by the doorstep, singing sweet songs of
melodies pure and true,,, saying.. this is our message to you
I’m not so sure about the cockroaches.
Earth BBQ! But I’m sure the S&P would bust over 2k! Heck, I picked up 2 Canteloupe for .99 cents today. Life is good. Especially for our offspring and the earth’s offspring.
Putin’s Dire Warning: US Nuke Buildup Pushing World to Nuclear War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQzRGeWQmtg
Published on Sep 1, 2016 – Vladimir Putin has a warning for the rest of the world as the neocons push us closer and closer to nuclear war.
That video has been out for a while. Just saying.
What happens….? – I won’t be commenting on TBP.
The FED would retaliate by printing (electronically) 10 Trillion $$$, be given to the Banksters to distribute bonuses. The SP500, NASDAQ, Dow would see a huge burst to the upside knowing the Fed has their glowing back.
I am starting to doubt nuclear weapons actually exist. You mean to tell me the world has armed itself to the teeth with nukes since 1946 and nobody has used them since the attack on Japan? Pardon me, but I heavily doubt world politicians are level headed and could restrain themselves from using them for 70 years if they actually existed.
Nuclear weapons certainly do exists. They have not been used against a foe since 1945 (although 100’s have been detonated via testing) because they are bad for PR and they shorten the length of war and the overall need for weapons – thus they are bad for business.
Personally I’d feel safer in a zoo full of monkeys with machine guns than in a world with humans having nuclear weapons.
“Nuclear weapons certainly do exists.”
Proof?
“although 100’s have been detonated via testing”
Where? Since the Manhattan project and tests in the desert, where have they been detonated? Any government documents surrounding the Manhattan project are heavily unreliable to be presented as historical fact.
The nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll program was a series of 23 nuclear devices detonated by the United States between 1946 and 1958 at seven test sites on the reef itself, on the sea, in the air and underwater.[2] The test weapons produced a combined fission yield of 42.2 Mt of explosive power.
The most recent atmospheric detonation was by China in the early 80’s. France, Russia, China, U.S.A., etc. have conducted extensive testing and it does add up to well over 100 such detonations.
Any recent tests? Say in the past 20-30 years? Sometime in my lifetime? Or is there just the assumption that atom bombs from the 1940s-1950s are still “fresh” and can be detonated?
Nuclear fisson was discovered by the Germans in 1938 and with 7 years an atomic bomb was created. During a war time when countries were having trouble securing enough fuel to continue the war by the mid 1940s.
The trinity tests were conducted on July 16th, 1945 with the U.S.S. Indianapolis leaving the Hunters Naval Shipyard hours later and arriving at Pearl Harbor on July 19. The weapon components were delivered to Tinain on July 26 (and the U.S.S. Indianapolis was sunk 4 days later). It was said that Indianapolis was carried half of the world supply (at the time) of Uranium-235 for Little Boy.
My skepticism comes from the fact of how quickly they could’ve obtained enough Uranium-235 in a short time span and whether or not those bombs were really as destructive as the media at the time hyped.
Because the Japanese didn’t surrender because of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They surrendered because the Soviet Union declared war on Japan a few days after the bombings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States
Geez Clammy! You should really look into it for yourself. There a number of excellent documentaries out there. Read the history of Oak Ridge, TN or Hanford, WA. One interesting part is the role of women in the separation of U-235 from uranium.
According to this list, there have been 69 nuclear detonations since 1990:
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Library/Catalog
You can even use Google Earth to view the south pacific test sites where entire islands were obliterated from the surface of the earth. Search Enewetak Atoll. Forty three bombs were detonated there and the waters are so clear you can see the craters under water.
Anon above was I.
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Clammy likely believes real pearls are flat not round as well.
Methinks she is just playing the witch stirring the pot though. Could be wrong.
Nuclear weapons do exist.
Politicians may not be level headed but they are Emperor level welfare whores and just like free shitters, they’re not stupid enough to pull the trigger that ends the free shit. However, they are regressing in intelligence so all bets are off for the next 70 years.
Ohhh so those 6 years I spent making steam with U-235 wasn’t real. They really had a bunch of politicians inside the reactor compartment talking endlessly. All that hot air was then channelled thru a heat exchanger to generate 500 degree+ steam. Perhaps that’s why we never fell off the edge of the Earth?!
Please tell me you have not reproduced.
I’ll go with Moron.
Maroon is a color.
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I sometimes find myself wondering what that guy is doing these days when I see that picture. Seeing as how he is famous throughout the land for a comically ironic spelling error, I wonder how often he gets reminded of it.
How r the cabinets coming along?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-should-use-military-response-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187
The idiot neocons that run this country think they could win a war against Russian when they can’t even win one with Afghanistan or Iraq, and haven’t actually won a war since 1945. This deranged behavior is called hubris and tends to end badly, for them, and for the rest of us who live here.
It may pay to remember that “The Allies” might “claim” to have “won WW2”, but the reality is that Russia won that war. Without the mass slaughter on the Eastern Front, the “Allies” would have not stood a chance against the far superior Wermacht.
So, it may be correctly argued that the US has NEVER “won” any significant conflict. It may be useful to point out that the US, under Hillary OR Trump (figureheads only), may be planning to engage the Country that DID win WW2. A Country that learned many hard lessons from that conflict – lessons that have been (and still are) used to formulate a highly cost-effective military strategy.
The fact that “someone, somewhere” – NOT “The President” (who is told what to do or else [remember Kennedy]), countenances such an engagement says a lot for the abject lack of commonsense in the US High Command.
Pearl Harbor was a daring operation though it missed getting the American carriers. Still the Japanese had developed the tactics and weapons to carry it out including special torpedoes that could operate in shallow waters and the British had carried out a similar carrier strike against the Italian Navy at Taranto the year before.
Nobody has ever fought a nuclear war before. August, 1945 was a ‘sucker punch’ delivered by an enraged US after we had just lost 13,000+KIA on Okinawa and our fleet subjected to Kamikaze attacks.
The nuclear buildup that happened from the 1950’s to the early 80’s was all bluff and a huge waste. The idea that either side could salvo launch hundreds if not thousands of missiles and destroy targets arrayed over thousands of miles of territory was the military equivalent of Japan finding every US warship in the Pacific and sinking them in a coordinated strike on the morning of December 7th, 1941. You are not allowed to miss the carriers or leave some ships only damaged because even one surviving ship can destroy Tokyo.
Of the nuclear powers only Russia persists in the illusion that they are usable weapons. They are a deterrent force only and for that you do not need thousands. China makes do with a couple of hundred nuclear missiles and the UK, France and India even less. Even the US only maintains its legacy force having decided that being able to defend against a limited strike is the only realistic option this side of annihilation.
The reason is our global economy cannot survive nuclear war. Nuclear winter or On The Beach type doomsday scenarios aside the facts are one has only to imagine what happens if, tomorrow, London, New York, Tokyo, Moscow or any globally important city were to disappear. You think markets crashed in 1929 or 2008? Fukushima came within a couple of hours of rendering the Tokyo metro area uninhabitable. Were that to have happened there’s nothing any Central Banker could do to recover from that. Don’t need 10 million dead when trillions of dollars of wealth and industrial capacity evaporates! Its game over.
If they are “only a deterrent” then, why does the US MIC STILL have plenty of low-yield tactical (“Battlefield”) nuclear weapons at their disposal??
You may wish to revisit current US “First Use” policy too, since the change in US policy led to the change in Russian policy, not vice-versa.
First use was a bluff by the US. We didn’t have the ground forces in Europe to counter a Soviet conventional attack ( and militarizing West Germany was politically unacceptable). Tactical nukes were developed because we had the technical means to miniaturize nuclear warheads and they seemed a cheap alternative to fielding armored divisions.
Today it is Russia that is on the wrong side of conventional war. The US and its NATO allies dwarf Russia economically, technologically and industrially. Putin can’t possibly win a conventional war against the US alone much less Germany, the UK, Japan, Canada etc. so it is Putin that uses the nuclear bluff. Fight us and we may have to go nuclear when we start to lose is the Putin gambit.
This side of Kim Jong Un, I doubt any political leader would actually order a nuclear strike against another state, though Israel might threaten to do so were it to really start losing a conventional war but that would be a bluff too to make the US intervene to keep Iran or the Arabs from a total victory.
It is more likely the generals would remove a leader ordering nuclear strikes than carry those orders out since a leader can be replaced but a nation surviving a nuclear war is another matter.
Are you kidding? We can’t even wipe out ISIS much less the Russian army. And what about their electronic jamming weapons. Remember they knocked out the electronics on the Donald Cook not once but TWICE!
Wow! There are people who don’t believe there are “Nukes” sitting on top of missiles throughout the world? Who has them? Well lets see – The USA was the first then came Russia. After them came France, followed by China, India and Pakistan. All have the means to deliver there “little mushrooms” by way of missiles.
The US even “lost” a few back in the cold war days. There are some south sea tropical islands that still glow-in-the-dark form testing and will do so for a few more thousand years. Where did the nuclear fuel come from? Big reactors built in Tennessee and Washington State, where they store the dangerous radioactive waste that wasn’t thrown over board from ships. Oh, you didn’t know that? Yes, they put this put this stuff, that will be dangerous to ANY life for thousands of years, into empty oil drums and threw them into oceans. Smart eh?
They even pumped the glow-in-the-dark liquid deep into the ground where we have been assured it will remain for thousands of years. Yeah right! I highly suggest you start educating yourself by reading anything and everything you can find on this subject. Else you will always come across as some dimwit drop out from an inner city hell hole of an establishment child care facility.
The U.S. Government also says they’ve got Gold in Fort Knox.
I have a relative in Moscow, whose job brings them into reasonably close contact with the Military High Command (he’s a Banker, and provides “informal” advice on tax liability mitigation!)
The current Perimetr system is far more complex than the original, with information gathered from a very diverse selection of Mil. and Civilian sources. Processing is highly distributed, so there are possibly very many nodes capable of executing the core program, each node being capable of initiating the entire “response package”. The fine details on “how it works” are known to just a few; I gather the system is fully operational, and it is “updated and tested regularly, against known, and predictable threats” that might allude to hacking attempts.
That’s all the info I’ve heard. It seems details such as location, appearance, comms. standards, construction, even sensor interfacing is just not available (not surprising).
It HAS been tested for functional survivability under a massive pre-emptive strike scenario, and has been shown to be able to initiate an “effective response” under “a worst-case engagement”. No-one seems to know whether the system can be stopped once activated. The suspicion is that, providing all the safety criteria have been met (and the criteria are polled repeatedly to confirm validity), then all command communication with the “outside” may be suspended to reduce the risk of “unauthorised access”, but again this is hypothesis, not backed by available knowledge
“World War 3 on Auto-Pilot” seems an apt description.
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Phil of oz in Disneyland ,a lot of men who fought on the western front would call you an idiot.The real reason the Russians lost so many men was that Stalin purge the military of it most efficient commanders . Stalin feared a coup against his leadership. The reason the Russians were able to drive the Germans back was Americans and British bombed Germany into the stone age .If America had not helped Russia so much the eastern front would have been a lost cause early in the war .Meathead.
BB – you might wish to read up on the transfer of Russian munitions production to their Far East. The West provided SOME support, but the Russians themselves did the majority of the provisioning and fighting, hence the jaw-dropping casualty lists. Don’t underestimate their sacrifice. It may not fit with your “USA, USA, USA” jingoism, but be assured that Russians feel entirely justified in viewing the Western contribution as pretty insignificant.
So, when the USA DOES start WW3, you’re joining-up, then??
I wish you the best of luck. You’ll be happy to know “Your God will be with you” in this conflict, but “their” God is with them too – and I note that the Russian Orthodoxy has rather more PRACTICING followers than the “Christian” orthodoxy in the US of A 🙂
As long as you all keep the fallout north of the equator, I’ll be quite happy for you all to “duke it out” to your hearts’ content!
Phil
bb won’t be signing up for anything.
Fuck! He barely survived a hernia operation.
after serving in chemical warfare unit, ussa dumped a train load of nerve gas off coast of NC, what me worry
The Geneva Protocols (Chemical and Biological Weapons) prohibit the STOCKPILING and USE of CBW agents, but do NOT prohibit research and development, ostensibly for “Defence Research” purposes.
There’s your “get out of Jail” clause – and rest assured that most of NATO have an active CBW “Research” capability, to allow “Defence” against some nebulous assailant.
Self-replicating BW agents need not much space to stockpile – only enough to allow initial dispersal, then “let Nature take over”. “Modern” CW agents are very effective in minute concentrations, and providing their use is carefully planned, the need for large quantities may be minimal.
Somehow the irony was lost on almost everyone I shared this diddy with back in 1983.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXbUXqP6QE
“Hiroshima and Nagasaki themselves are thriving small cities and there is no appreciable difference in radiation between these two municipalities and other cities in Japan.
Additional issues (See sources at the end of this article.):
Death rates at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not higher than elsewhere.
Three days after the Hiroshima bombing, a trolley was running again.
The bank at “ground zero” remains standing to this day.
Eight Jesuits hiding in their church survived the blast at ground zero to tell the tale – spared only by the intervention of the Virgin Mary.
Outside of the Jesuits, and one communist reporter who hated the US, there was no significant reporting from either Hiroshima or Nagasaki for at least a month.
For years in both Japan and the US, it was a crime punishable by death to speak or write about the bombings.
The entire atom bomb narrative created by the Pentagon was delivered to the public via a single writer from the New York Times who later turned out to be on the Pentagon payroll.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-06/atom-bomb-anniversary-youre-being-lied-about-hiroshima-and-much-more