Enough With the Truthers Already!

Been saving this one since the beginning of August. 911 STM fodder. Enjoy.

By David Cole

Via Taki’s Magazine

New-York City And World Center At Night From Hudson River

In 2013, when I was “outed” for my Holocaust revisionist past, I understood that one of the unavoidable hassles of being forced to “rejoin” the revisionist fringe would be the flak I’d get for my pro-Israel views. Among revisionists, it’s rather taken for granted that if you say Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, you must, therefore, be pro-Palestinian. Personally, I never got the connection. I never saw the direct progression from “I don’t believe this building in Upper Silesia was a gas chamber” to “Time to devote my life to a bunch of Muslims who lost some land in a war they started.” I really don’t see why one must necessarily lead to the other. Sure, anti-Zionists will claim that without the Holocaust, there’d be no Israel. Which is not necessarily true. One can certainly argue that without Hitler serving an eviction notice on most of Europe’s Jews, there’d be no Israel. But if millions of Jews had not been murdered in the Holocaust, it would have made the postwar displaced-persons problem even worse. Israel would have still been established, but probably with an even larger Jewish population.

I foresaw the shade that would be thrown my way by anti-Zionists, and I was fine with it. But there was one thing I hadn’t foreseen after my outing: the truthers. The fucking 9/11 truthers. It’s been three years since my “change of life,” and still, not a week goes by without a social media message or email from a truther. Sometimes it’s a quizzical truther (“So whaddya think of 9/11, Cole? Huh? Huh?”). Sometimes it’s a proud truther (“Check out my newest post on truthexposedsecretsofthehiddenhand.wordpress.org”). But usually it’s an angry truther (“Damn you, Cole, why won’t you speak the truth about 9/11?”).

Inherent in every email and Facebook comment is the assumption that I must of course be a truther, and that by not becoming part of the “movement,” I’ve either been “paid off” to keep silent, or I’m just lying because, you know, Jews.

“You exposed the Holohoax, Cole. Why won’t you expose the greatest hoax of this century?” is a typical message. “You sold out, Cole. You used to be brave, but now you’re a pussy sellout,” read a Facebook comment from last week. “Somewhat honest on holocaust/holohoax; completely dishonest on 9/11,” wrote truther extraordinaire Antonius “Anthony” Hall just a few days ago in a thread on my Facebook page.

All right already; I am not made of stone. You want me to talk truther, I’ll do it. To paraphrase Orson Welles: Here, under protest, is Dave’s truther column.

For starters, I didn’t “expose the Holohoax.” The Holocaust did happen, and all I did was attempt to strengthen the history by cleaning out some of the remaining Soviet propaganda. You can’t compare Holocaust misinformation to 9/11. World War II falsehoods occurred organically, as in, every war has propaganda emanating from both sides, and the winner gets to enshrine theirs as fact. Spreading lies about your opponent is a natural element of warfare, as time-honored a tactic as bearing arms. The only thing inorganic about Holocaust untruths is that after the war, they were shielded from the natural process of revision by a combination of Cold War politics, Western leftism, and the fact that as Jews grew more secular, the Holocaust rose to a place of unnatural importance not just in Jewish life, but in Jewish theology, actually replacing belief in God as the element of Judaism many Jews consider the most sacred.

9/11, on the other hand, if it was a “hoax” or an “inside job” or whatever you want to call it, could not be said to be organic in any way. It could only be viewed as an intentional criminal conspiracy, and a horrifically despicable one at that. The facts of such an extraordinary crime would have to be established via extraordinary evidence. And I’m sorry, truthers, but I find the evidence lacking. The claim that I “sold out” or that I’m being “dishonest” implies that you think I secretly agree with you. I don’t. You want my opinion? Here it is.

First of all, for all your talk about what didn’t happen, no two of you can agree on what did. Real planes or holograms? Thermite? Missiles? A plane/thermite combo? A plane/missile combo? A thermite/hologram combo? “Dustification”? “Directed energy weapons”? And let’s not forget the “no floorers,” who claim that the affected floors of the towers had been evacuated in advance, and that the “people” seen “jumping” from the “burning” “buildings” were dummies. The planers accuse the no-planers of being government plants sent to discredit the movement; the no-planers accuse the planers of being “controlled opposition.” And the “no floorers” accuse everyone of being “sheeple.” At heart, the very fact that there can be this kind of disagreement displays rather starkly the paucity of factual, convincing evidence for anything other than hijacked planes and angry Arabs.

I get it—you’re “just asking questions,” just expressing skepticism of the official story. I understand that, and asking questions is good, and being skeptical is good. But you can’t keep gliding forever on “questions.” Trust me—I’ve been down that road. In the 1980s and ’90s, all Holocaust revisionists did was ask questions and express skepticism. We were good at it, and pretty damn smug. But while we became proficient at telling people where Jews weren’t killed, many of us neglected to establish a narrative of what did happen. For example, ask any denier (since there are very few actual revisionists around anymore) what happened to the roughly 2.4 million Jews listed (in a census commissioned by Himmler, the “Korherr Report”) as having been “sent east,” Jews who are described as “departed” and “no longer in Europe,” though not through immigration but via “special treatment” in camps like Treblinka. Where’d they go? Deniers have no answer to that question, none at all.

Denying an official story will only get you so far; at some point, you have to provide a solid alternate theory. So truthers, please don’t be offended if we’re not all as charmed by your questions as you are. Make no mistake, I’m certain there are lots of bugs crawling around under the rock of the official 9/11 story. Intelligence failures, or perhaps foreknowledge gained by intelligence successes. And we all know that wherever Saudis slither, corruption and skulduggery follow (and yeah, Israelis can be some shifty-ass muthas; pro-Zionist though I am, I nevertheless try not to do business with Israelis in my daily life). But I’m strictly limiting my scope here to the claim that the planes-and-hijackers story is false. On that point, I am as unconvinced as ever.

Truthers love to parade massive lists of proof to back up their skepticism, but in every case, if you examine each “proof” individually, you see it doesn’t hold up on its own. “Israelis were warned to stay away from the towers that morning!” No. Two people at an instant-messaging service in Israel (not New York) were sent a text message that did not reference the towers. The matter was referred to authorities not because of the specifics of the message, but rather the timing. “Larry Silverstein admitted that he planned the new WTC 7 building in 2000!” No. In the speech from which that claim arose, Silverstein was obviously referring to April 2002, not 2000. He was telling a self-serving anecdote about how quickly after 9/11 he was able to get work started on the new WTC 7, and if you actually listen to the anecdote and understand it, he simply misspoke about the date, just as he does barely a minute later when he says $300,000 instead of $300,000,000 when recalling the cost of the old building. “But Silverstein ordered them to pull the building!” Again, no. Even some truthers have finally admitted that Silverstein was referring to pulling out the fire crew and letting the building burn to prevent further loss of life.

That’s why it’s silly to think that because I’m a Holocaust revisionist, I should be a truther. Truther “proof” is exactly like the “proof” of mass gassings at Auschwitz that I dedicated my youth to debunking. As The New Yorker was forced to admit in a 1993 piece for which I was interviewed, “In the blueprints, construction documents, and work orders that trace the construction and subsequent use of these buildings, which are now housed in Auschwitz Museum archives, there is not a single explicit reference to the use of gas chambers or Zyklon B for homicidal purposes.” As a result, those who support the gassing scenario have been forced to read malevolent intent into documents that have perfectly innocent alternate explanations, presenting a stack of “traces,” each one of which is not proof of anything on its own. Truthers display that same intellectual sloppiness, a refusal (or inability) to understand that a piece of evidence with a normal, logical, alternate explanation does not become more incriminating when you lump it together with a dozen other pieces of evidence that also have normal, logical, alternate explanations.

Also, truthers rely heavily on the panicked testimonies of eyewitnesses from the morning of the attacks. Why would anyone expect me, with my long history of explaining why eyewitness testimony is fallible and often unreliable, to all of a sudden reverse myself on that rather important point?

Again and again, truthers have told me, “Oh, you just have to read Christopher Bollyn. Bollyn is the best we have!” Really? Then you’re in poor shape indeed. The first time I visited Bollyn’s site, I read his breathless claim of a “smoking gun”—the “fact” that Al Franken (the Jew) admitted to being warned of the attacks in advance by former New York mayor Ed Koch (another Jew). Bollyn read a joke in one of Franken’s humor books (to be clear, I don’t find Franken funny, but before becoming a senator, comedy writing was his gig, even if he wasn’t very good at it) in which Franken ridiculed the notion of “Jewish foreknowledge” and told a sarcastic joke about Ed Koch giving him the “Jew call,” warning him in Hebrew to avoid the towers on 9/11!

nyone who doesn’t understand that Franken was being facetious and that the book is political satire is not right in the head. I mean that. There has to be at least some small amount of retardation present.

To be fair, there is one truther I genuinely like, and he doesn’t even call himself a truther. Ryan “Ry” Dawson is an independent blogger, activist, and documentarian. He’s appeared multiple times on Russia Today, Press TV, CNN, MSNBC, The Daily Show, and Al Jazeera. Ry and I don’t agree on much, but he’s an honest guy who always tries to back up his claims with well-researched facts. “I like 9/11 skeptic better than truther,” Ry told me recently. “I think the word ‘truth’ is arrogant, and even if I think something is true I don’t call it ‘the truth.’”

Ry represents a necessary evolution for “trutherism” if it wants to be taken seriously. Ry has tried to move 9/11 skepticism away from what it has, essentially, been up to this point: the exploitation of an observed supposed anomaly. “That building didn’t fall the way I think it should’ve; therefore, lizard men with lasers.” Ry eschews that type of fallacious nonsense. “I don’t see any problems with how the buildings fell,” Ry straightforwardly states.

No one hates the 9/11 kooks more than me. Yes, a plane did hit the Pentagon. I don’t really get into Building 7. Yeah, it fell symmetrically which is weird because the fire was asymmetrical, but I’m no pyrotech. The truther movement has attached itself to WTC 7, and they misinform people by saying there were only pockets of fire. This is not true. Sure, at 9:59AM there were only pockets of fire on the north side. And you can show that on film. But if you go forward seven hours that building was totally on fire. Plus it had part of another building fall on top of it. The southwest corner was gone.

Yes, many important things were housed in that building like the SEC. But there is no reason to blow up a building when you can just let it burn anyway. However, the official reason they let it burn (pull out of it) was because so many firemen had already died that day. And that building was already screwed. They didn’t want to risk any more loss of life. Both could be true. They didn’t want to risk life and they wanted that building to go. But I don’t like guessing at motives. I stay away from the “physics” of 9/11. I’m not a scientist. I just follow the paper trail and geostrategic interests.

Don’t think I can’t hear all of you typing “controlled opposition” into a comment. But before you click “post,” be aware that Ry sees Israel’s hand all over 9/11. He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to pointing the finger. And whether or not I agree with him is irrelevant. What matters is that he’s attempting to move 9/11 skepticism away from being a fad that targets the weak-minded with sleight of hand. “I think 9/11 was a joint covert operation like Iran Contra,” he summarizes. “Yes, it was Islamic radicals who physically did it, 100%. But they didn’t do it alone. Same as ISIS now.”

I can respect that. Ry’s overall case regarding the “paper trail and geostrategic interests” is far too complex to summarize here, so I recommend watching his magnum opus The Empire Unmasked (not available for free, but worth $20 if the topic interests you). Again, I’m not condoning or condemning his conclusions; I’m merely pointing out that he’s doing the work necessary to create a comprehensive theory, as opposed to speculating about death rays and thermite while smugly retreating to “I’m only asking questions” when cornered.

A few more Ry Dawsons and a lot fewer Alex Joneses, and there might just be hope for this “movement.”

 

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Stucky
Stucky
September 11, 2016 7:20 am

” …. not a week goes by without a social media message or email from a truther. ….. usually it’s an angry truther (“Damn you, Cole, why won’t you speak the truth about 9/11?”).”
———- from the article

It was probably Bea Lever.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
September 11, 2016 10:17 am

Bea

Since I brought your name into this, I am temporarily lifting the ban on you talking to me.

You may — in this thread only — tell me; 1) how I am a tool for the State. and 2) how I hate truth.

FIRE AWAY!!

———–

P.S. I really don’t understand why I got two thumbs down (already) for my “Bea Lever did it” comment. C’mon, you fuckers! That’s some funny shit right there!! You known damn well that’s EXACTLY what ol’ Bea would say. Hey, spend five bucks and buy yourselves a funny bone.

Stucky
Stucky
September 11, 2016 7:29 am

“Ry represents a necessary evolution for “trutherism” if it wants to be taken seriously”
—— from the article

Absolutely no one takes Trufers seriously … except OTHER Trufers.

This article brought such a HUGE smile to my face this morning …. especially as I imagine all the TBP-Trufer aneurysms taking place, and all the nasty name calling that will soon commence.

Oily Bohunk
Oily Bohunk
  Stucky
September 11, 2016 10:41 am

I’m with Bea, you must be a government tool or stupid.

anarchyst
anarchyst
September 11, 2016 8:12 am

…one cannot dispute that these buildings fell into their own “footprints”…Any competent engineer will tell you that there had to be more than planes crashing into buildings to bring them down.
Another curious factor is that WTC-7 was “planned” for demolition on that very day…yeah, right…
There ARE questions that have not been answered satisfactorily. Most people, not being scientists or engineers swallowed the government-controlled media’s story hook, line and sinker…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anarchyst
September 11, 2016 2:44 pm

Except maybe the Dusters who seem to believe the buildings didn’t fall but turned into dust and blew away in the wind.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
September 11, 2016 3:29 pm
Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
September 11, 2016 8:13 am

“I’m only asking questions”

Best line in that piece.

Here ARE the Laws

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

Any theories proposed must conform to these laws. If they don’t it is up to those to propose, not me, an alternate theory backed by empirical evidence. If one doesn’t then they are just pulling shit from a bull.

Stucky
Stucky
  Rob in Nova Scotia
September 11, 2016 10:02 am

RiNS gets a thumbs down for extolling ……. SCIENCE!

BWAAAHAHAHAHA. Trufers, they quack me up.

Annie
Annie
  Stucky
September 11, 2016 2:03 pm

Darwin Unhinged: The Bugs in Evolution

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
  Annie
September 11, 2016 3:04 pm

Not sure what Theory of Evolution has to do with LAWS of Thermodynamics and Law of Conservation Annie. One is a Theory the others Laws. A big difference.

Laws are immutable. Theories evolve with evidence.

Anyways Encarnacion just hit a homer into 3rd deck. Law of Edwing rules!

Annie
Annie
  Rob in Nova Scotia
September 11, 2016 4:32 pm

So you’re a little “slow”. Newton’s Law’s were laws – before they weren’t. Just like Newton’s laws the Laws of Thermodynamics work just fine in most situations. But by restricting us to only those situations which follow the so-called Laws of Thermodynamics you’re gaming the system and I, for one, am not going to play a game that I know is rigged.

Annie
Annie
  Annie
September 11, 2016 4:45 pm

And why the cross post about the theory of evolution instead of calling you out directly? Synchronicity. I had just read the post on evolution before I read your comment. But you probably don’t believe in sychronicity – because SCIENCE. You put too much faith in your religion.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
  Annie
September 11, 2016 5:34 pm

@Annie This may come as a shock but I believe in Synchronicity. Can I prove my belief. Nope. It is something I carry on myself.

I am not sure what your point is. Have you proof to upend Laws linked above? If you do please get to work and write the paper.

Anyways I am going to beach.

Annie
Annie
  Annie
September 11, 2016 6:15 pm

I don’t need proof to see the possibility that anything that we think we know can and should be questioned. I’d tell you to stretch yourself and look outside the box, but you don’t even see the box you’ve put yourself in. You don’t even see the possibility that there may be something outside the religious “laws” that you restrict yourself with so even if I wanted to show you proof you would refuse to see it anyway. You should not need “proof” to understand that there are other potential possibilities than your current religion, isn’t that what the scientific method is all about – looking at all the possibilities, not just your current favorite? Where would we be if Einstein just followed Newton’s “Laws” and didn’t look outside that box? The fact that you are demanding concrete proof rather than just acknowledging that there could be other possibilities shows that you have a very narrow belief in a religion you call SCIENCE.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
  Annie
September 11, 2016 7:19 pm

I am not sure anymore what the argument is about.

I do envy you Annie

So certain in your belief. But at the same time I am sad of your lack of faith in science. I am and always will be a skeptic. You are also wrong I am open to new ideas. That is how science works. But I need evidence not feelings.

Any scientist who dismisses out of hand the possibility of God is no better than the Creationist ruñing that museum in Kentucky. To have 100% certainty in God is something I have wished for myself for many years. There is and always has been a part of me that yearns for that comfort. As it stands right now I cannot. When I look up in sky at night at the countless stars and the ten fold number of planets circling them I find it improbable that we are alone.

I would however like to point out that Relativity is still just a Theory and you are incorrect that it set aside the Laws of Newtonian Physics.

But I digress and this conversation is veering to the pointless. I did go to the beach. All I know is today, September 11th 2016, the ocean is cold this time of year in Canada.

I found that the laws linked above still work but I will spare the details.

Annie
Annie
  Annie
September 12, 2016 11:06 am

The argument is about you giving a set of rules that in your mind any theory MUST conform to. This leaves out many of the more viable theories e.g. magnetic, gravity based, or consciousness based weapons or tools OUTSIDE of the laws of thermodynamics just as the theory of relativity is OUTSIDE of Newton’s laws. Your rules show that you have a very narrow view of reality based on your adherence to your SCIENCE religion which is NOT true science or scientific method or you would be open to investigating other theories.

“So certain in your belief” and my “lack of faith in science”? My belief in what? That true science is investigating all theories, not just belief in some old popular theories? My lack of faith in what? A false religion of theories that YOU believe in, many of which have already been disproven or are limited in scope? You’re the one lacking faith in the broader scope of what real science can show us. You don’t even see the box.

RiNS the deplorable
RiNS the deplorable
  Annie
September 12, 2016 2:09 pm

Like I said Annie

The best line in that piece is “I’m only asking questions”

So you do that. Then stand back after asking a dumb one and claim that I am narrow minded. But I jest and

I hardly matters to me anyways.

Laws are not theories. And Theories are not faith. I could go to insults, you have been gently doing that to me. I really think that is what you want me to do. But I won’t. Call me narrow minded if you want. All the Gods in the world and you only believe in one. Hypocrite much?

I have been real nice to you but you are wrong. You haven’t proven anything. Second Laws of Thermodynamics will always apply. Now you may claim something based based in faith to disprove me. But faith will never work for me I need evidence.

You are like Bea, a Carnot cycle of Ignorance.

Annie
Annie
  Annie
September 12, 2016 4:16 pm

I don’t agree with your belief so you ASSume I must be a Christian and I must believe in the Christian God??? LOL That’s a good one.

I haven’t proven anything? I haven’t disproven you? Exactly my point – You’re looking for proof, not possibilities. Can you see the box now?

RiNS the deplorable
RiNS the deplorable
  Annie
September 12, 2016 4:50 pm

Keep digging Annie the 2nd Law rules. There are no exceptions. You have made no claim of disproof so there is no box to get out of.

Later

Annie
Annie
  Annie
September 12, 2016 6:01 pm

More synchronicity, this just popped up in my news feed. Enjoy your box.

Mainstream Science Is A Religion

Dean
Dean
September 11, 2016 8:47 am

Lamest article I’ve ever seen at TBP!

I have no idea what really happened since so much evidence has been intentionally destroyed and/or hidden by various authorities.

But, anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows 1 thing: the official story is full of BULL! After that, who knows?

Stucky
Stucky
  Dean
September 11, 2016 10:00 am

Is your IQ in single digits?

Dean
Dean
  Stucky
September 11, 2016 1:12 pm

So you’re saying you actually believe the official story? Wow!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 11, 2016 11:01 am

There was a time when I didn’t care about anything serious. Life was one of those live fast, die young kind of adventures- jumping out of planes, dating as many women as possible, going wherever and doing whatever. If I thought about anything in depth it was literature, art, maybe music to a degree, but not the greater workings of History and Nature. That came to me later in life because all of the things that went on before left me feeling empty. Once the thrill was gone- and it always went- there you were alone with yourself wondering ‘is that all there is to life? (Two song references in one paragraph, neither intended, is that just luck? Synchronicity?)

I didn’t really start to look into deeper things until after I married and we became parents. Then all of a sudden something kicked in that made me realize that the sum total of everything I had done before was only a limbering up for the real job of being a human being. All of the things I had taken for granted, made light of, denigrated and shown contempt for were the very things that were now essential to being a responsible and thoughtful parent.

That meant not taking unnecessary risks, not assuming that I knew things when I was ignorant of their actual meaning, examining beliefs I had accepted without testing them against reality.

One of the first “truths” that I stumbled upon was to always, in every instance examine absolutes with my own senses and deliberate inquiry, especially those which claimed supremacy. If someone or some belief system gave orders as to what was the right way to think about a particular topic then that was a solid indication that I ought to check into it. Something that is demonstrably true doesn’t need the force of law to make you accept it. If something was hypocritical on its face, then it needed to be dissected.

9/11 was one of two things and either way it deserves scrutiny and examination- It was either a crime perpetrated by the systems and organizations of our government or it was a catastrophic failure of every aspect of those systems to do what they were created to do.

Period.

The only logical conclusion, the only rational response of any person to come to that conclusion is that the system must be discarded. You can argue over whether to forgive or to punish, to wage a violent revolution to remove it or a passive resistance to fund and support it, you can join it as a soldier or loyal subject in the hopes of capitalizing on it’s overarching power and command, you can even bow down and accept your role as a submissive subject of that system in the hopes of escaping it’s wrath or it’s incompetence, but you cannot continue to believe that it acts- or is capable of acting- in the way in which it was intended and designed. It is obsolete.

Now I have enough intelligence to be able to look at things and measure them against every other thing I have ever looked at or experienced in the past. Let’s take art and music since I have already mentioned them. I hold that Bach composed music that is masterful, on many levels- composition, emotion, complexity, instrumental fluidity. I would hold the same to be true of a Titian or Raphael as artists. Now during my early years I got into several very hot arguments about music and art with people who tried to convince me that John Cage and Ad Reinhardt were as equally gifted as Bach and Raphael. There are people who go to John Cage concerts and sit in their seats watching a man sitting at a piano without playing a note and call it a composition or pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a canvas that was painted entirely black with a paint roller and say that it is a masterpiece. That is their business and I no longer argue with those types of people because I have come to the conclusion that they are deluded and haven’t the capacity to discern the difference between reality and fantasy, like young children. I don’t mind if they want to live in that world, but I can’t be expected to endorse it if I want to be true to myself.

9/11 is very much like that. Everything about it screams that the story is fiction. From the policies that led to that day, to the event itself and onward through the obfuscation and cover-up, the promotion of the self admitted incompetents that managed the catastrophic failure across every level on that day right up to the pre-planned and curiously available system that was trotted out after the fact that turned a free people into a 300 million head herd of human livestock, there is not a single piece of mitigating evidence to prove to me that it was anything but an intentional conspiracy by those charged with our protection.

We could argue for the rest of eternity about the physics of it, the studies and the investigations but nothing will ever change the fact that it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and it swims like a duck, then it is, in all likelihood, a duck.

The official account is the 4’ 33″ or the Abstract Painting Number 5 of the political world.

acetinker
acetinker
  hardscrabble farmer
September 11, 2016 11:22 am

I like the way you think. I will say only this , keep looking, keep listening and never, ever mind any truth that ain’t your own. You may never discern real answers, but you won’t die ignorant for lack of effort.
Godspeed, Mr. Farmer!

Maggie
Maggie
  hardscrabble farmer
September 11, 2016 3:39 pm

HSF, am glad I get to comment on this BEFORE Admin picks it up and makes it a post on TBP. I particularly found this assessment of yours to be profound:

“9/11 was one of two things and either way it deserves scrutiny and examination- It was either a crime perpetrated by the systems and organizations of our government or it was a catastrophic failure of every aspect of those systems to do what they were created to do. Period. ”

Dust in the Wind. Is all we are.

Oily Bohunk
Oily Bohunk
September 11, 2016 11:10 am

4:33 5

Burnt offering to their lord satan.

Gereral pabilsimo (ret.)
Gereral pabilsimo (ret.)
September 11, 2016 11:12 am

another apologist, fearing for his income, paid to not understand.
writes an article with zero facts, 100% hyperbole.

fact: jet fuel can not burn hot enough create molten steal, or turn concrete into dust.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Gereral pabilsimo (ret.)
September 11, 2016 2:52 pm

The annealing (softening) of steel takes place around 1500 plus or minus F depending on the steel and jet fuel can easily reach that temperature with forced air (as in heat convection forced we see in large fires such as this).

Softening the steel would cause a collapse, since it would lose its support strength, and bring the full weight of the upper portion above the fire crashing down on the lower floors.

Welshman
Welshman
September 11, 2016 11:30 am

What ever, from my little corner of the world I have one observation. I have not seen ONE bumper sticker for Clinton or Trump, I find that very odd.

ditchner
ditchner
September 11, 2016 12:26 pm

“And I’m sorry, truthers, but I find the evidence lacking. ”

Perhaps because most of it blew away in the wind and the rest was almost immediately carted off by a battalion of dump trucks.

ditchner
ditchner
September 11, 2016 1:02 pm

When the evil that surrounds us gets to be a bit too much I find comfort in the following words:

Psalm 37 King James Version (KJV)

Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the Lord upholdeth the righteous.
18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand.
25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28 For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33 The Lord will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34 Wait on the Lord, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
40 And the Lord shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

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ditchner
ditchner
September 11, 2016 1:15 pm

And, if for no other reason than to annoy the mockers I offer 23 minutes of DUST.

susanna
susanna
September 11, 2016 1:18 pm

Mr Cole,
I am astounded you used so many words to say nothing.
Perhaps you are a brilliant seer on other topics. The drill,
Able Danger, was used to cover a plot to invade the ME, and
put the screws on the American population. Many of those
can not and do not read, and thus are functionally or actually
illiterate. The rest of us? It is a big puzzle and 90% of the
pieces are on the table. It doesn’t take much to put that puzzle
together, spoken metaphorically. Those buildings coming down
were just a gateway to a much larger agenda. And it rolls on,
BTW. Who doesn’t know this? It might be better to say nothing
than roll out reams of BS.

Stucky
Stucky
September 11, 2016 6:25 pm

“…even if I wanted to show you proof you would refuse to see it anyway.” —- Annie

That’s EXACTLY the case with Creationists also. And you know it!!

For example, back a Creationist into a corner and you’ll get the most hilarious fake-answers of all time … they’ll do anything but acknowledge that they are stumped….. like saying DINOSAURS WERE ON THE ARK six thousand years ago. heh heh heh

Annie
Annie
  Stucky
September 12, 2016 4:59 pm

Creationism? Why not?

Scientist:
“Poof” a microscopic dot with everything in it appeared. “Poof” the Big Bang happened and the dot expanded. Then instead of all of the stuff expanding outwards at a constant rate in constant directions and just dissipating as you would expect due to entropy everything started going every which way and colliding and becoming more and more complicated until “poof” you have a universe (or universes) and galaxies and stars and the earth and everything else. On the earth everything kept getting even more and more complicated until “poof” you have life. Life got more and more complicated until “poof” you have people and as a side effect of people being so complicated they have consciousness.

Me (creationist):
Outside of our concept of time and reality there was consciousness. One or more consciousnesses got bored and decided to create stuff and play with it.

Honestly, which one makes more sense?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
September 11, 2016 6:35 pm

“Enough with the NON-truthers already”…….fixed it.

Stucky gives me temporary (((permission))) to address him………..wow, arrogant much? And I see his lapdog Rob is lapping up his every word. Just as I predicted, I didn’t miss much.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
  Bea Lever
September 11, 2016 7:56 pm

Bea

At least I am a dog. You are just a bitch.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
September 11, 2016 8:07 pm

Yes Rob, I can certainly see by the amount of downers you and Stucky received at the beginning of this thread that you are a dog. How completely underwhelmed the other posters must be.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
  Bea Lever
September 11, 2016 8:32 pm

Sad Bea

And like Stucky I really don’t care.

You sir are a Carnot cycle of Ignorance.

Stucky
Stucky
September 12, 2016 3:58 am

“Stucky gives me temporary (((permission))) to address him………..wow, arrogant much?” ——–Bea Lever

It has nothing to do with arrogance.

Just having a little fun. “Fun”, apparently, is something foreign to practically everyone in this thread.

Also, it was an “olive branch” … thrown out there to reopen dialogue between us.

Sorry you missed both aspects.