Guest Post by Stilton Jarlsberg
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The few remaining survivors of that horrible day 75 years ago now have the odd distinction of being attacked twice at Pearl Harbor…once by the Japanese, and once by the Obama administration.
Yes, we understand the symbolic importance of showing Japan and the United States united on this historic anniversary – but it could so easily have been presented to the public without accusing those aging heroes who fought, bled, and saw their friends and shipmates blown to pieces, drowned, or burned alive of “personal bitterness” if they haven’t just “moved on” and made their peace with the horror of the sneak attack.
This appalling statement makes it clear that, in the mind of this administration, this anniversary is not about those who fought or died at Pearl Harbor, but rather about one more fatuous photo-op with a foreign figurehead for the sole benefit of the second greatest American tragedy to originate in Hawaii: Barack Hussein Obama.
On my last visit to the USS Arizona I took my son- who was five or six at the time- and we were the only non-Asians at the shrine. There was a group of ten to twelve 20-something Japanese tourists who were taking photos and openly mocking it, smiles, laughter, thumbs up that kind of thing.
I was really upset, like white hot rage kind of mad but I had a young child with me. I remember locking eyes with the host- the only other Haole there- and she just lowered her face and looked at the water, oil stains still swirling on it’s surface.
Japan is no longer our enemy. If Japan’s Prime Minister shows the proper respect and deference for the solemnity of the site it should be welcomed. Knowing the current administration and it’s contempt for the America that never was and their likely motivation in doing so, I find it appalling.
HF, we went to San Antonio to see my sister in law. I wanted to take my wife to see the Alamo. My wife’s brother in law, who is a Mexican immigrant poo-poo’ed the idea. To us it is a shrine, to him an irritating reminder of Mexico’s loss. Damn foreigners.
If the old American Pearl Harbor survivors would only realize that the Japs were just doing what they were supposed to do (according to fuktard Jap lovers in yesterday’s thread) , well, maybe then they wouldn’t be so bitter.
OTOH, I would jump up and down with pure joy if one of those bitter old men would perform one last service for America …. put some fucken lead in Josh Earnest’s head.
No different than what our patriotic soldiers are doing in the middle east.
As usual, the U.S. was completely innocent and was just minding their own business when the Japs decided to attack. Fake News was big even back then.
Yes, the victim is always the guilty one.
We initiated all hostilities against the Japanese didn’t we?
I grow weary of America haters, particularly the domestic kind.
Anonymous says:
December 8, 2016 at 10:33 am
Yes, the victim is always the guilty one.
We initiated all hostilities against the Japanese didn’t we?
I grow weary of America haters, particularly the domestic kind.
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Yes, in fact we did. Sanctions and embargoes are acts of War. I grow weary of Americans who cannot see beyond their jingoism.
Z, to agree with Kokoda below, you are an American bashing hater who has no clue to historical facts. Only what some Marxist professor dumped into your head (probably). The peace loving Japs were only trying to help other countries, that’s all. Help with population control.
Go read about Nanking, Mongolia, SE Asia, Burma, etc. Go ask those REAL VCTIMS how wonderful the Japs were. We were just trying to slow down the horror with embargos. If we would have done nothing, you and your ilk would now be saying “America was racist, they didn’t want to get dirty helping the non-white people of Asia.” GFY, a-hole. Move to Cuba.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot how well they treated the women of Korea. Very loving.
VWMike, Go suck a dick. I have read volumes about the Pacific War with Japan. I know all about Japanese atrocities at various points, as well as Chinese and our own. I know that George HW Bush nearly had his liver consumed as Sukiyaki (and I wish it had happened). I also know that Lyndon Johnson would have gone down in a transport if a Japanese zero pilot hadn’t attacked the wrong one (another lost opportunity).
I also am convinced that had that war not been engineered by the United States, there would be no communist China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia, with none of the attendant wars and holocausts, so no, it was not worth it. In fact we and the rest of the world would have been better off if the Japanese had won the fucking thing.
PS. Fuck you.
“I have read volumes about the Pacific War with Japan. ” ——— Zara
You read, but never understand.
You list many Jap atrocities …. and then blame America for them!!
You are a fine piece of work.
b……did you ever consider WHY the U.S. put restrictions on Japan before 12-7-1941. I guess not. The Japs were a peaceful citizenry who treated citizens of other countries with respect, EVEN when they had them at the point of a gun.
You wouldn’t consider a Jap bayoneting a baby and then tossing the baby off the bayonet. Nah, a Jap wouldn’t do that. Japs wouldn’t throw civilians in a pit and bury them alive would they; those peaceful and respectful Japs? Machine gunning hundreds of civilians at a time; cutting off heads; bayoneting for fun.
And you are upset that the U.S. put restrictions on the Japs and forced them to go to war.
FUCK YOU
Weren’t the Japs such good guests that they had official comfort houses for Korean women?Have you ever heard of the American military being so thoughtful & considerate of the women folk when we visit a country?
Japs just being Japs … doing what they are supposed to do.
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Abu Ghraib
The world is full of monsters and some of them live right next door.
If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.
I just absolutely knew someone was going to come up with American atrocities — which, the above certainly are.
Mai Lai — about 500 dead
Abu Ghraib — highest casualty figures I found — 993
Nanking — up to 300,000 Chinese civilians murdered, up to 20,000 women raped.
The word “moral equivalency” comes to mind.
You would have done better had you mentioned Native American Indians or the firebombing of Dresden.
Moral relativism, my favorite!
Couple that with your “You’re either with us or against us” line and you’re the perfect mix of both Bill Clinton AND George Bush.
To like, what’s not?
My with us/against us comment was clearly said tongue-in-cheek …. which I thought you understood …. but, apparently not. Are you having trouble understanding concepts?
You can be as sarcastic as you want — ok, I won’t use moral equivalence. You equate 1,500 deaths as being the same as 300,000 deaths — which is a strong indicator of moral paucity on your part.
By your reasoning, a cop who shoots a bank robber vs. the bank robber who kills a guard, …. well, each results in a dead person so, they are the same.
Might keep in mind that Calley and other assorted soldiers were and are prosecuted for these, something that certainly can’t be said about all those other countries that our anti-American hate group here can say.
That’s because they weren’t official and approved government policies the way those others were.
WOW, making fun of murders in a prison!!! I am Aghast! Mai Lai was an aberration, not business as usual, as with the Japs. Again, GFY a-hole
Hey if you’re cool with it, it must be okay.
Killing babies with laser guided munitions is the moral and civilized way to do it. Fucking Jap bastards.
Stucky says:
December 8, 2016 at 12:02 pm
Nanking — up to 300,000 Chinese civilians murdered, up to 20,000 women raped.
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This Chinese propaganda. It never happen.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/unko/tamezou/nankin/whatreally/
Of course there was no rape of Nanking!! How could I be soooo gullible?
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Ummm, about that article crazy Zara linked;
— it’s written by a Jap (certainly no bias there, lol)
— not just any Jap … but a WWII Jap who served as secretary under a Jap General ……. at the time of Nanking Massacre in 1937 Bwahahahaha!
— he has been found to have altered a key historical document in several hundred places
— he has been refuted by …. nearly everyone … including even those in Japan
— his research methods are totally bogus. For example, whenever he cites eyewitnesses, he only calls on Japanese eyewitnesses! fucken hilarious
Check the following link, a response Tanaka’s work;
WW2 never happened
Holocaust never happened
Moon landing never happened
Einstein never existed
I don’t exist
kokoda, you are like the old South, swept away by the wind.
Although the Japanese government has admitted to the killing of a large number of non-combatants, looting, and other violence committed by the Imperial Japanese Army after the fall of Nanking, and Japanese veterans who served there have confirmed that a massacre took place, a small but vocal minority within both the Japanese government and society have argued that the death toll was military in nature and that no such crimes ever occurred. Denial of the massacre and revisionist accounts of the killings have become a staple of Japanese nationalism. In Japan, public opinion of the massacres varies, but few deny outright that the conflict occurred.
War is heck. Atrocities are always committed by all sides in any conflict. This is a natural and expected thing given that most soldiers are young men most of whom prior to their insertion into combat probably had never seen a dead person before, much less a buddy torn into pieces. If I concentrate my efforts on the war crimes of the US, I have a few reasons for doing so.
1) Given that victors write history and the US has found itself, well at least up until Vietnam anyway, on the winning side of most of them, Americans have grown up with a fantasy version of history in which they always wear the white hats and the other guys the black ones. This is pure nonsense.
2) Given #1, it is fun to rub their noses into some of their own excrement from time to time. It’s like when your mother washed out your mouth with soap as a child; it tastes nasty, but was probably good for you in the long run.
Now to one of the lesser known US military atrocities. Admittedly it was done against soldiers, many of whom might have done the same thing to us if they could, but nevertheless we are taught that we don’t do shit like this. Certainly not in the BIG ONE. Well yes, we did.
The battle of the Bismarck Sea, near New Guinea, 1942. Briefly the japanese tried to reinforce their position on New Guinea with soldiers from a bunch of poorly defended transports. It was a clusterfuck from the beginning but it might have been worth the risk had they pulled it off. They didn’t. After the transports and most of the meager escorts were sunk or had managed to limp away from the scene, and thousands of Japanese soldiers and sailors found themselves in the drink, this happened:
“After the battle, the sea was filled with survivors. Some were in boats, some clung to debris, and others just floated in their lifejackets, if they were fortunate enough to have one. Many of the survivors were within swimming distance of the shore and therefore still a threat to the Allied personnel on the Lae Peninsula. Fifth Air Force headquarters determined that it was in the Allies’ best interest to kill every Japanese they could, so on the morning of March 4 the bombers and fighters returned to the scene of battle.
A B-24 arrived first, and the crew spotted several motorized launches that were on their way to pick up survivors. Over the next several hours Fifth Air Force aircraft strafed anything and everything that moved on the surface of the sea. Huge four-engine B-17s dropped down to masthead heights so the gunners could strafe the Japanese survivors. Japanese fighters attempted to shoot down the attackers, but with little success.
Modified B-25 strafers from the 90th Bomb Group went after anything that resembled a Japanese vessel, and when none could be found, they turned their guns on the Japanese survivors in the water. RAAF Beaufighters and USAAF A-20s escorted by P-38s attacked the airfields around Lae and Finschhafen to keep Japanese aircraft on the ground. The strafing of lifeboats and survivors in the water continued for several days aided by U.S. Navy PT boats.”
http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/war-in-the-south-pacific-the-battle-of-the-bismarck-sea/
Maybe it was the right thing to do, given that some of them might have made it to shore. Maybe they would have resisted rescue as some Japanese were known to do, but the fact is that they were never offered the opportunity but were rather slaughtered in a defenseless condition. Oohrah!
The purpose of combat in war is to kill and keep killing the enemy until he no longer has the will to fight and surrenders to your terms of surrender or is completely dead.
That is what they will do to you if you don’t.
In a war, you either win or lose. Anything else is simply putting it off till a future date when you resume it.
So, did we win in Viet Nam?
And what was the purpose of that war if you’d be kind enough?
hsf…Pres. Johnson or any of his close accomplices could answer that. The alive ones.
To save face for the French who got their asses kicked out of there.
Ramping up the mil/ind sectors profits. $10 Trillion so far of which cannot be accounted for. I wonder if Trump will put up with that?
Works for me. No quarter given. It’s to be expected.
Exactly. When we do it it is the right and expected thing to do. When they do it, it’s okay too, war being war n’shit. Right?
Maybe they had heard about the pleasantries of the Bataan “death” march and were just responding in kind.
I guess the only one that doesn’t know obama is a sorely lacking piece of shit is obama.
I will never forget the look on my granddad’s face when the subject of Pearl Harbor came up. With white hot anger in his eyes like the attack happened yesterday he said, “I will never forgive them for Pearl Harbor.” He wouldn’t and never did buy anything made by the Japanese.
Years later, my other grandfather gave my first car, a ’72 Honda Civic. I asked my granddad for permission to park it in his drive way before I did so. I was shocked when my granddad didn’t say, No.
Fuck that nigger! It’s well past time for him and the rest of ’em to “get past the bitterness” and “move on” from the horrors of slavery.
It makes me wish for a book.
On each page, would be listed a name (if one was given), the dates of birth and death, how they died and WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE. Otherwise, how do you know?
If a person dies due to neglect during a war, did the neglectful nearest person do it or did the war?
How do you arrive at accurate casualty numbers for a war?
Dresden – how many died from the firebombs, disease / starvation / other causes afterwards? Should you blame the Allies, the airmen, the Nazis, who?
If the Native Americans died from disease in greater numbers after the white people came, how many died from the smallpox-infested trade blankets and how many from other causes? Didn’t they war among themselves for centuries before white people came?
How many did Stalin himself kill, and how many did Communist policies?
It’s a hard argument to make or follow; why someone died. I struggle with assigning blame for death; everyone will die from something, and calling out a CAUSE of death (other than disease) is probably a fool’s game. Until it’s yours.