SkyDiving Without a Parachute

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Given how expensive traffic tickets are, it’s amazing so many people won’t buy a good radar detector. Unlike the car you’re driving, it actually is an investment – and not just in terms of the money it will save you.

A good radar detector will also make driving enjoyable again. Instead of hewing to the letter of every ridiculous speed limit – or living in perpetual fear (and inevitable actuality) of being ticketed for exceeding them – you’ll be able to drive again. Which, incidentally, is also a safety advantage. You spend more time watching the road than the speedometer (there is a reason why race cars do not have speedometers).

But let’s run the numbers first.

You’ll pay about $400 or so for a good radar detector. You do not want a bad one – defined as one that either isn’t sensitive enough to pick up police radar until it’s too late or one that picks up too much radar that isn’t police radar – like the radar emanating from automatic doors and other cars equipped with radar-using safety systems such as Blind Spot/Lane Departure Warning systems. Too many boys-who-cried-wolf and you’ll probably be off your guard when the real wolf appears.

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I use the Valentine1 and recommend it – because in addition to being very sensitive and very discriminating (the latest models have new “Junk-K ” filtration software to separate out not-cop radar while still being ultra-sensitive to cop radar) it has front and rear facing antennas (most other detectors only have forward antennas) and it’s the only detector that you can send back to be updated as the latest technology becomes available. Other detectors may be state-of-the-art today, but tomorrow not so much – and your only option then is to drive around with an obsolete detector and be increasingly vulnerable to the cops’ latest technology – or throw the thing away and get a new one.

At full price.

The V1 also has directional indicators – telling you where the radar-running cop is lurking – and can track multiple threats at once, each displayed digitally, with an accompanying audible warning cue. It is the SigSauer of radar detectors.

Anyhow, you pay let’s say $400.

Once.

Now consider how quickly that investment is amortized – and begins to actually make you money. I will use myself as an example.

This morning, on the way home, the V1 alerted me to a pair of county cops running a speed trap on a very straight, very tempting – and very under-posted stretch of the rural highway that bisects my county. This road – US 221 in SW Virginia – usually doesn’t have much traffic and the posted speed limit (55 MPH) is, per usual, set well below the 85th percentile speed (read about that here) which is nearly universal and has the effect of turning almost every driver on any given road into a “speeder” vulnerable to being ticketed.

On US 221, for instance, most drivers are running 60-65 (which is what the speed limit ought to be, for just that reason, if it were based on the 85th percentile speed). The ticket for doing 64 (let’s say) in a 55 is a $120 ticket – or a bit more than one-fourth the cost of a good radar detector like my V1.

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But that’s not all you get for your trouble, if you get stopped for 64 in a 55 by officer not-so-friendly.

Unlike the $400 you spent on the V1 (or should have) that ticket you just got also includes “points” – demerits assigned by the state against your driving record that become the pretext for the insurance company jacking up your premiums. Your record of no-claims driving doesn’t count for much. You can have a perfect driving record as far as never having scuffed a fender (yours or someone else’s) and the insurance mafia will still claim your are a “risky” driver based on the demerit points assigned for the trumped-up ticket based on a deliberately under-posted speed limit that almost everyone ignores. But on that particular day, it was your turn to get pinched.

As a result, your premium goes up 10 percent – a pretty common result. You now pay an additional $50 per year and will pay it for the next three years, at least – until the “points” drop off your record.

Sometimes, depending on the state, it takes five years.

Let’s call it three – so there’s another $150 plus the $120, almost half the cost of the V1.

And here’s the real peril: If you happen to get a second ticket while the first one is still active (three to five years, as above) it is a near-certainty the insurance mafia will jack up the premiums by 20 percent or even more.

Put another way, if the V1 saves you two tickets over the course of five years, it will have paid for itself and everything after that is pure, sweet gravy.

And if you drive like I do, that “break even” moment will arrive much sooner.

My V1 saves me on average about once a week. Run those numbers.

Also, it has saved me on several occasions from a particularly nasty trap that exists in my state, where it is statutory “reckless driving” to drive faster than 80 MPH anywhere – including highways where the speed limit is 70. In other words, as little as 10 MPH faster than the legal speed limit can land you in some serious trouble. Virginia’s “reckless driving” statute entails the possibility of arrest and impounding of your vehicle – at the discretion of the cop – and the absolute certainty of a mandatory court appearance at which you face the very real chance of the judge taking away your driving privileges for six months or more and taking a large sum out of your wallet, too. A lawyer is pretty much mandatory and even if you get the charge dismissed, you’ll still be out the cost of the lawyer (typically $800-$1,500) and if you are convicted, your insurance will either be cancelled or doubled.

If this happens to you – and it could have been avoided had you been running countermeasures – you will regret it badly for the next 3-5 years of paying SR-22 insurance, which will cost you multiples what a detector like the V1 would have cost you.

Take it from a guy who drives a lot. Driving without a good radar detector is as risky as going skydiving without a parachute.

I don’t recommend either.

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unit472
unit472
January 30, 2017 12:07 pm

Radar detectors are illegal in many states ( Virginia too I think). What is the penalty if you are caught with one besides having the device confiscated?

TC
TC
  unit472
January 30, 2017 2:35 pm

No, they are only illegal in VA. I run mine everywhere, mostly because I want to know when I’m getting blasted with radio waves. That said, there’s not much help you’ll get from a detector when the PoPo hits you with instant-on laser.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  unit472
January 30, 2017 4:28 pm

I think they are legal in Virginia but must be “inaccessible”…strange law.

https://virginialawfirm.net/police-radar-detectors-in-virginia.html

Legality of Radar Detectors in Virginia

“It is illegal in Virginia to operate a vehicle that is equipped with any type of device, passive or active, used to detect any mechanism employed by police officers to measure the speed of vehicles for law enforcement purposes. So if the device had no power source and was not readily accessible by anyone in the car then the person is not guilty of the offense. You can have radar detector in your vehicle; you just can’t have access to it while you’re driving.”

I’ve never owned a radar detector, but recently purchased a dash cam since my 52-mile round trip commute increased from 10 days per month to 20, due to a change of supervisors and the previous one allowed telecommuting 50% of the month. With that many hours on the road, I figured it was worth the price (yes, Jim, I bought it off Amazon using your link!).

http://zeroedgetechnology.com/z-edge-z3/

Arnold Ziffel
Arnold Ziffel
January 30, 2017 12:19 pm

Another option is defense driving course that wipes the ticket off the record and gets an additional discount. About every 5 years I get a speeding ticket. Cheaper than buying a expense radar and fusing over its operation.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
January 30, 2017 1:45 pm

Guess what? When I see signs telling me that the speed limit is 55 down from 70 or 75, I drop down to 55. OMG! What a concept. If you travel what you call a poorly posted road frequently, then you must know where the speed limit changes.

Just last week driving to Ft Worth there were at least 5 staties lying in wait after the speed limit had dropped. But I slowed down to what it said.

Besides as I understand radar, once you’ve detected it, it’s got your speed anyway. True?

Barney
Barney
January 30, 2017 1:46 pm

Leave 5 or 10 mins early and take your time.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
January 30, 2017 3:16 pm

“You spend more time watching the road than the speedometer (there is a reason why race cars do not have speedometers).”

Actually race cars do not have speedometers for the same reason they do not have geiger counters. Speedometers provide data that is useless to the team and would only add weight to the race car.

A $400 radar detector will save you from some tickets but so will setting your cruise control at 9 MPH over the posted speed limit.

I am looking forward to the follow up article after Eric discovers that police can wait until you are well within range to activate their radar, use laser speed detectors or pace speeders with aircraft.

Heff
Heff
January 30, 2017 3:43 pm

“Given how expensive traffic tickets are, it’s amazing so many people won’t buy a good radar detector.”

Here’s an idea, asshole. Slow the fuck down and you wont need a radar detector.

Smoke Jensen
Smoke Jensen
  Heff
January 31, 2017 5:50 am

@Heff
Hey snow flake, the right lanes are the designated safe space for people like you who enjoy creating trafic jams.
Here’s an idea, use them. Let the rest us of travel safely at a good pace.
One day I’m going to get that 400lb, 3/16″ steel bumper and when the SHTF people like you will be a smear on the road.
I can’t wait!

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
January 30, 2017 7:11 pm

I generally don’t speed; rare occasions, yes. But I don’t think the government should tell me NOT to buy something that is available – or tell me to BUY something (health care insurance) that is available. Neither is in the Constitution, nor can reasonably be construed as anything besides economic tyranny.
If I’m STUPID enough to buy drugs and screw up my life / consciousness / health, that’s on me, not the Feds. If I’m SMART enough to buy something (say, a Russian investment that brings an actual return, not a loss) then that’s on me, not the Feds (by embargo, proscription or whatever). Either way, the Feds have no claim to make.
We need a free country.

cantbaretowatch
cantbaretowatch
January 30, 2017 7:52 pm

I payed less than 400 bucks for my car, a ’79 Subaru that takes longer to get to 60 than it took to read this story.

P
P
January 31, 2017 4:56 am

If you only drive seven over limit you never get ticket. Has he ever tried just slowing the fuck down? When I was a child I had a radar detector too.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 31, 2017 7:24 am

Man, talk about a topic that’s out of my wheelhouse.

I get crap all the time because of how I drive (the speed limit or under depending on conditions) my wife wants me to drive faster when we have somewhere to go (because she always gets ready too late for the time allotted) the kids think I drive too slow wherever I go because other people go flying past with a look on their face like I’ve offended them.

I guess I’m just not in that much of a hurry to get anywhere.

Good luck with your speeding/radar detector thing, just try not to kill the old guy in the Dodge truck when you pass him.

Smoke Jensen
Smoke Jensen
  hardscrabble farmer
January 31, 2017 9:44 pm

The problem is not slow drivers. The problem is the self centered slow poke who thinks he is the arbiter of justice. That he alone keeps the state from crumbling into disorder. Look. I have a buddy who’s 65. He is the epitome of the Law Abiding Citizen. I love him to death, but I tease him mercilessly about which side of the floorboard the gas pedal is located on.
This is all very simple. And as I like to mumble (loudly) to myself when plagued by clovers, “it’s not rocket science”. As the old saying goes, “lead, follow, or get the hell outta da way”.
Just a little courtesy goes a long way. When I’m doing 80 in a 65 and I see a guy coming up on my rear, I don’t make the guy wait on me. I move the hell over and let him pass. Both of us are happy and content at the speed at which we are moving. Don’t give me the safety spiel. That’s snowflake coward talk.