Trump May Send Up To 50,000 Troops To Syria

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It appears that Mike Cernovich, who earlier this week wrote that Trump’s national security advisor, Gen. H.R.McMaster, was planning on sending as many as 150,000 troops to Syria, may have been right again. According to Bloomberg commentator Eli Lake, who has now made a habit of confirming Cernovich “conspiracy theories” (he did so previously with the Susan Rice scoop), Trump may be on the verge of escalating the proxy war in Syria by sending anywhere between 10,000 and 50,000 troops on the ground, and – if Cernovich is indeed correct – as much as three times more.

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Per Lake, after U-turning on attacking Syria last week and on a variety of economic policies yesterday, the Donald Trump’s “biggest foreign policy surprise may be yet to come.” Specifically, he says that McMaster, has been quietly pressing his colleagues to question the underlying assumptions of a draft war plan against the Islamic State that would maintain only a light U.S. ground troop presence in Syria.” McMaster’s critics inside the administration say he wants to send tens of thousands of ground troops to the Euphrates River Valley. His supporters insist he is only trying to facilitate a better interagency process to develop Trump’s new strategy to defeat the self-described caliphate that controls territory in Iraq and Syria.”

To be sure, there have been ground troops, typically special forces, in Syria since 2014, when Barack Obama famously flipflopped on his own promise of “no more boots on the ground”, first in Iraq and then the broader region.  However, the U.S. presence on the ground has been much smaller and quieter than more traditional military campaigns, particularly for Syria. As Lae puts it, “It’s the difference between boots on the ground and slippers on the ground.”

Well, the boots are coming, even if that means Trump gets to flip on yet another promise: Trump told Fox Business this week that that would not be his approach to fighting the Syrian regime: “We’re not going into Syria,” he said.

According to Gen. McMaster “we are”, and it’s only a matter of time.

As Lake explains, McMaster himself has found resistance to a more robust ground troop presence in Syria. In two meetings since the end of February of Trump’s national security cabinet, known as the principals’ committee, Trump’s top advisers have failed to reach consensus on the Islamic State strategy. The White House and administration officials say Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford and General Joseph Votel, who is in charge of U.S. Central Command, oppose sending more conventional forces into Syria.

An interesting aside: according to a Lake source, Stephen Bannon had “derided” McMaster to his colleagues as trying to start a new Iraq War. Bannon’s opposition to yet another US conflict – one which would have the clear goal of replacing the Assad regime – may explain why the former Breitbart head is on his way out.

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So where in the process is the McMaster “ground war” plan currently? Lake reports that it is still in its early stages.

Because Trump’s national security cabinet has not reached consensus, the Islamic State war plan is now being debated at the policy coordinating committee, the interagency group hosted at the State Department of subject matter experts that prepares issues for the principals’ committee and deputies’ committee, after which a question reaches the president’s desk for a decision.

Of course, following the recent cleansing of the NSC as per McMaster himself, which kicked out such skeptics as Bannon, whatever the new national security advisor wants, is what he will get.

And what he wants, based on the preliminary information, is a land war.

Inside the Pentagon, military leaders favor a more robust version of Obama’s strategy against the Islamic State. This has been a combination of airstrikes and special operations forces that train and support local forces… McMaster however is skeptical of this approach. To start, it relies primarily on Syrian Kurdish militias to conquer and hold Arab-majority territory. Jack Keane, a retired four-star Army general who is close to McMaster, acknowledged to me this week that the Kurdish forces have been willing to fight the Islamic State, whereas Arab militias have primarily fought against the Assad regime.

Keane told Lake he favored a plan to begin a military operation along the Euphrates River Valley. “A better option is to start the operation in the southeast along the Euphrates River Valley, establish a U.S. base of operations, work with our Sunni Arab coalition partners, who have made repeated offers to help us against the regime and also ISIS. We have turned those down during the Obama administration.”

That particular plan would require an initial force of 10,000 troops:

Keane added that U.S. conventional forces would be the anchor of that initial push, which he said would most likely require around 10,000 U.S. conventional forces, with an expectation that Arab allies in the region would provide more troops to the U.S.-led effort.

With time, however, the number will grow dramatically:

White House and administration officials familiar with the current debate tell me there is no consensus on how many troops to send to Syria and Iraq. Two sources told me one plan would envision sending up to 50,000 troops. Blogger and conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich wrote on April 9 that McMaster wanted 150,000 ground troops for Syria, but U.S. officials I spoke with said that number was wildly inflated and no such plan has been under consideration.

While McMaster has not disclosed in public whether he supports a ground troop offensive, on Sunday in an interview with Fox News, McMaster gave some insights into his thinking on the broader strategy against the Islamic State. “We are conducting very effective operations alongside our partners in Syria and in Iraq to defeat ISIS, to destroy ISIS and reestablish control of that territory, control of those populations, protect those populations, allow refugees to come back, begin reconstruction,” he said.

According to Lake, “that’s significant” as Obama never said the goal of the U.S. intervention in Iraq and Syria was to defeat the Islamic State, let alone to protect the population from the group and begin reconstruction.

Those aims are much closer to the goals of George W. Bush’s surge strategy for Iraq at the end of his second term, under which U.S. conventional forces embedded with the Iraqi army would “clear, hold and build” areas that once belonged to al Qaeda’s franchise.

There is another reason why McMaster is for US ground presence in Syria.

As a young colonel serving in Iraq, he was one of the first military officers to form a successful alliance with local forces, in Tal Afair, to defeat the predecessor to the Islamic State, al Qaeda in Iraq.  During the Iraq War, McMaster became one of the closest advisers to David Petraeus, the four-star general who led the counter-insurgency strategy in Iraq that defeated al Qaeda in Iraq — and brought about a temporary, uneasy peace there.  That peace unraveled after Obama withdrew all U.S. forces from Iraq at the end of 2011. Obama himself never apologized for that decision, even though he had to send special operations forces back to Iraq in the summer of 2014 after the Islamic State captured Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city. He argued that U.S. forces in Iraq would have been caught up inside a civil war had they stayed.

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The cadre of former military advisers to Petraeus took a different view. They argued that America’s abandonment of Iraq gave the Shiite majority there a license to pursue a sectarian agenda that provided a political and military opening for the Islamic State. An active U.S. presence in Iraq would have restrained those sectarian forces. One of those advisers was H.R. McMaster.

What was unsaid in Lake’s piece, is that the real aim of any US ground assault would be to remove the Assad regime and “destabilize” the Middle-Eastern region, something both Rex Tillerson and Sean Spicer hinted at over the past week. That, in itself, would be considered a clear act of war, even if there is no formal declaration by Congress. It would also prompt a ground troop response by not only Assad but also Russia.

As Lake concludes, “it’s now up to Trump to decide whether to test the Petraeus camp’s theory or try to defeat the Islamic State with a light footprint in Syria. Put another way, Trump must decide whether he wants to wage Bush’s war or continue Obama’s.”

The real conclusion, however, is different: it is now up to Goldman to decide whether to advise Trump to risk starting World War III in Syria by sending some 50,000 “boots on the ground” to start, a number which will only grow in direct proportion with the casualties that emerge as this proxy world war enters its final, most destrucive phase.

 

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Cheesesteak
Cheesesteak
April 14, 2017 7:08 am

Well this is really fucking interesting. This can’t be the Trump we elected. Hillary must have had Trump kidnapped and put on a Trump costume. You got to hand it to the NWO. They truly play us like a fiddle. They are the ones playing 4D chess.

Voting does not mean anything. Guns, food, fallout shelter. That’s all that matters now. Spend time with loved ones, there is no telling when the final shoe will drop. Every weekend may be our last. God Bless.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Cheesesteak
April 14, 2017 10:38 am

Cheese et al,

There were warning signs that Trump would do this shit leading up to the election. His promise to wipe out ISIS was a give away that something would happen. What you got with Trump was a compromise. You got war somewhere else instead of at home. It’s a shitty trade off but it is what it is.

Had Hillary been elected you’d have had war abroad and possibly on your own soil. Tensions in the US were getting high leading up to the election. The guys with the guns were getting angry, relations between the government and the people were deteriorating steadily and Hillary would have accelerated the march towards civil war.

Trump will buy you time. That’s it. War is still coming. Just maybe not for another four to eight years. Or longer. Who knows anymore? All I know is that things will not continue forever like they are. Something will give eventually.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Cheesesteak
April 14, 2017 10:50 am

During the election, many times Trump said, “I’m a big military guy!” You didn’t really think he would throw even more money at the already bloated military industrial complex and not play around with it, did you?

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
  Cheesesteak
April 14, 2017 10:27 pm

Whatever the troop level, multiply by 2 to account for contractors. Go long Haliburton (this is not investment advice).

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 14, 2017 8:00 am

I don’t see anything here offering any actual evidence that Trump is planning this.

But we do know that we can trust MSM news columnists and bloggers, so it must be true.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Administrator
April 14, 2017 9:15 am

It’s not the MSM I believe, it’s those who have investigated it as much as they have been able to weighed against those who have worked to prevent an international investigation of it (i.e. Russia).

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  Anonymous
April 14, 2017 10:38 am

A Call for Proof on Syria-Sarin Attack

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
  Anonymous
April 14, 2017 10:28 pm

Russia is call FOR an international investigation. What planet are you on?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonymous
April 14, 2017 8:48 am

Cernovich/Lake have been pretty accurate the last few months. McMaster went to VMI – military high school – West Point and then career army. He’s been all about war since age 14.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
April 14, 2017 8:11 am

I’ve gotten the impression that Trump is a Bluffer, Bigly. In order to impress his audience, he used a bunch of Tomahawks to not much effect. The trick is to fool the audience. The smart ones, like Russia and China, understand the game.

The consequence is the killing of innocents, including 4 children. This was the price to obtain the image desired.

Will Trump send our troops into Syria; they have already started being assembled at the Jordan border.

Russia and Iran will call the Bluff. So, will Trump unleash death upon our troops?

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  kokoda - the most deplorable
April 14, 2017 12:00 pm
nancy
nancy
April 14, 2017 8:42 am

If this is truly to be a mission to eradicate ISIS, why do I not hear anything about consulting with Russia who is already in country? This is supposedly a bilateral goal is it not? I truly hope that Trump has not been turned by the Deep State and the Neocons. If he has and continues to pursue this regime change, he can be guaranteed of being a 1 term President.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  nancy
April 14, 2017 8:52 am

It’s not about ISIS. It’s about Assad. Shia crescent. Gas pipeline. Hobbling Russia’s economy. Eventual invasion of Russia. We are the hegemon. Russia will use its nukes before it falls to the West.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  Iska Waran
April 14, 2017 11:59 am

Russia won’t use nukes any more than we will. The good guys are winning against the evil forces, and both Trump & Putin know it.

Ed
Ed
  nancy
April 14, 2017 11:30 am

I’m thinking that he didn’t really need to be turned because he was with them all along. I also think that the reason he had to drop the mask so early was the success that the Russians were having with their support of the Syrian forces in mopping up the US proxy forces.

Trump had to drop the mask and start bombing ASAP before the chance to launch a regime change operation was gone for good. The neocons, as usual, fucked up. They thought they still had time to make a move and be able to gull the world into thinking that their claims about the necessity of regime change passed some kind of muster.

What they’re doing is so obviously wrong and criminal that it can’t fail to cause a war with a real military power. The consequence of Trump being a one term president is the very least of the damage that’s going to be done here.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  Ed
April 14, 2017 11:57 am

Nice try, dead wrong!

Ed
Ed
  Butthurt SJW Slayer
April 14, 2017 2:45 pm

We’ll see, you butthurt SJW. I hope I’m wrong. We won’t have to wait long to find out.

BL
BL
April 14, 2017 9:16 am

Looks like BiBi and Tel Aviv are still running the WH along with Kushner. Is Trump a mentally stable person is the question or is he a traitor to allow this to happen?

Americans need to become very vocal right now but speaking to a lady yesterday who shook her finger at me and said, “we should go into Syria because of all of those dead children and drag that Assad through the streets”, tells me the sheep are ok with this.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  BL
April 14, 2017 11:56 am
Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
April 14, 2017 9:18 am

Face it, Trump is the pinhead Neuvo Riche Reality Star everyone said he was. He’s just a tool now. That bald-headed idiot McMaster looks like a low-budget Dr. Evil. The Russians aren’t surprised by this. That’s why they hung the Secretary of State Tillerson out to dry when he went to Moscow. Trump was the last chance these political whores had, and he blew in less than 100 days.

CCRider
CCRider
April 14, 2017 10:16 am

The only way this makes sense to me is to view the military as a force largely accountable only to themselves. I suppose a president can have some sway over policy but hardly the final say. Look at the disasters in Iraq, Yemen and Libya. What sane man would say hey that’s worked so well let’s do the same in Syria? Look at how Tillerson and Trump did 180’s in the span of a week on Syria. That this abrupt back flip was that due to some new information is absurd. I think the military told them how it was going to go down, period. “They” are going to do what they want. And I have to wait 4 more years before I get to vote again? Damn!

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  CCRider
April 14, 2017 11:54 am

CC, insane people (neocons and bureaucrats) have been in charge of our foreign policy.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Butthurt SJW Slayer
April 14, 2017 12:13 pm

But we’re safe from the eventual use of nukes… right…. NATO has added umpteen countries since the collapse of the USSR. Montenegro is supposedly next, despite its large Russian population and the opposition to NATO of many citizens of Montenegro. We’ve been encircling a demographically and economically collapsing Russia. What could possibly go wrong?

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
  Iska Waran
April 14, 2017 12:30 pm

I have no idea how safe we are from nukes, so long as they exist, but whomever uses nukes, except the kikes, will be annihilated. The kikes have used tactical nukes in Syria & Crimea, without repercussion.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
April 14, 2017 11:08 am

I’ll be interested to see how Scott Adams spins this one.

Crimson Avenger
Crimson Avenger
  Trapped in Portlandia
April 14, 2017 11:21 am

Oh, it will be brilliant strategery, if only us dimwits could see it. I just wish I had bought stock in Chapstick before Scott Adams got on his roll, he must be singlehandedly causing sales to soar.

Fergus, ex SGR
Fergus, ex SGR
April 14, 2017 11:40 am

If you believe any of this I have an investment opportunity just for you in Nigeria. Just send me your credit card data and you too can be a billionaire.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer
April 14, 2017 11:51 am

Trump already announced “We are NOT going into Syria.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/04/11/trump-we-are-not-going-into-syria.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMnVBKp9xY

Assad: America’s ‘Deep State’ – Not Trump – Blew Up Airbase
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/04/13/assad-americas-deep-state-blew-up-my-airbase/

Now you know what Tillerson & Putin talked about.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
April 14, 2017 12:36 pm

Are you believing the morning papers?
War is coming back in style
There’s generals here, advisers there
And Russians nibbling everywhere
The chessboard’s filling up with red
We make more profits when we blow off their heads

Economy is looking bad, lLet’s start another war (when ya get drafted!)
Fan the fires of racist hatred, we want total war (when ya get drafted!)

Drooling fingers, panic buttons
Playing with missiles like they’re toys
There’s easy money, easy jobs
Especially when you build the bombs
That blow big cities off the map
Just guess who profits when we build ’em back up

Yeah, what Big Business wants Big Business gets, it wants a war (when ya get drafted!)
Trilateral Commission goonies laugh and scheme for more (when ya get drafted!)

Call the Army, call the Navy, stocked with kids from slums (when ya get drafted!)
If you can’t afford a slick attorney we might make you a spy

Forget your demonstrations, kids today sit on their ass (when ya get drafted!)
Just a six-pack and you’re happy we’re prepared for when ya get drafted
When ya get drafted!

Mike Murray
Mike Murray
April 14, 2017 2:03 pm

MORE TROOPS IN HARMS WAY FOR NO GOOD REASON!
Complete stupidity and insanity.

catfish
catfish
  Administrator
April 15, 2017 4:03 am

what if pigs could fly?

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 14, 2017 3:11 pm
Diogenes
Diogenes
April 14, 2017 3:15 pm
BubblePuppy7
BubblePuppy7
April 14, 2017 5:08 pm

“Read my lips: no new taxes.” I think we all remember the consequences of that statement.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
April 14, 2017 9:21 pm