Milk-Bar Clausewitzes, Bean Curd Napoleons: In the Reign of Kaiser Don

Guest Post by Fred Reed

Why do those inadequate little men in Washington and New York dream of new wars? Because the empire is near a tipping point.

Washington must either either start a war in Korea, or gets faced down by the North, its carriers ignored, its bombers “sending signals” and making “shows of force” without result. For the empire this is a loss of face and credibility, and an example to others that America can be challenged.

Iran has not caved to Washington’s threats and sanctions and clearly isn’t going to. Another strategic loss, a big one, unless–the hawks seem to think–remedied by a war. Iran wants to trade with Europe and Europe likes the idea. Worse, Iran is becoming a vital part of China’s aim to integrate Europe and Asia economically. To the empire this smelñls of death. The frightened grow desperate.

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China shows no signs of backing down in the South China Sea. For Washington, it is either war now, when thinks it might win, or be overshadowed as China grows.

Russia has irrevocably gotten the Crimea, is quietly absorbing part of the Ukraine, and looks as if its side is going to win in Syria. Three humiliating setbacks for the empire. Loss of control of the Mideast would be a strategic disaster for Washington.

Continued control of Europe is absolutely vital. European governments have groveled but now even they grow restless with Washington’s sanction against Russia, and European businessmen want more trade eastward. Growing trade with Asia threatens to loosen Europe’s shackles. Washington cannot allow this.

When you have militarily stupid politicians listening to pathologically confident soldiers, trouble is likely. All of these people might reflect how seldom wars turn out as those starting them expect. Wars are always going to be quick and easy. Generals not infrequently advise against a war but, once it begins, they bark in unison. They seldom know what they are getting into. Note:

The American Civil War was expected to be over in an afternoon at First Manassas. Wrong, by four years and some 650,000 dead.

Germans thought that World War I would be be a quick war of movement, over in a few weeks. Wrong by four years and fantastic slaughter, and was an entirely unexpected trench war of attrition ending in unconditional surrender. Not in the Powerpoint presentation.

When the Japanese Army urged attacking Pearl Harbor, their war aims did not include two cities in radioactive rubble and GIs in the bars of Tokyo. That is what they got.

When the Wehrmacht invaded Poland, having GIs and the Red Army in Berlin must have been an undocumented feature. Very undocumented.

When the French re-invaded Vietnam after WWII, they did not expect les jaunes to crush them at Dien Bien Phu, end of war. Les Jaunes did.

When the Americans invaded Vietnam, having seen what had happened to the French, the thought did not occur that it might happen to them too. It did.

When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, having seen what happened to the US in a war against peasants, they did not expect to lose. They did.

When the Americans attacked Afghanistan, having seen what happened to the Soviets there, they did not expect to be fought to a slowly losing draw. They were.

When the Americans attacked Iraq, they did not expect to be bogged down in an interminable conflagration in the whole region. They are.

Is there a pattern here?

From the foregoing one might conclude that when grrr-bowwow-woofs start wars, they seldom foresee the nature of the war or its outcome. This is particularly true of military men, who seem to have little grasp of their profession. Whether anyone else could better predict does not matter. The generals do not.

Why? One reason is that war by its nature is not very predictable. Often the other side proves uncooperative, imaginative, and resourceful. Another reason is that militaries inculcate unreasonable confidence in their own powers. Troops cannot be told that they are mediocre soldiers, and may lose, that their publics may not support the war, that the other side may prove superior. Consequently they are told, and tell themselves, that they are the best trained, best armed, most lethal force imaginable. They tell themselves that they have great fighting spirit–cran, bushido, oorah. If this is so, they think, how can they not win?

Just now, the usual damned fools in Washington and New York contemplate wars against Russia in Syria, China in the South China Sea, North Korea, Russia in the Ukraine, and Iran. All of these offer superb chances for disastrous and unexpected consequences.

An attack on North Korea will be called a “surgical strike.” “Surgical” is a PR phrase implying that no civilians will be killed, that the war will be quick and cheap. You know, like Iraq, a cakewalk. This idea has little relation to military reality. The assumptions will be that American intelligence actually knows where the North’s missiles and nukes are, that North Korea is too stupid to put them deep underground, that Kim Jong Un won’t respond with a massive attack on the South, that he doesn’t have aircraft that can carry a nuke for a short distance–to Seoul, say, or a carrier-battle group, or to the barracks of the 28,000 GIs in South Korea, that the North Korean infantry could not get into Seoul, thirty-five miles away, forcing the US to bomb the South Korean capital into rubble.

Them is a lot of assumptions.

Similarly, we hear that the US military could devastate Iran. Today, “US military” means airplanes. American ground forces are small, not rapidly deployable and–if I may lapse into rural accuracy–pussified, obsessed with homosexuality, girls in combat, trans this and trans that, and racial and sexual quotas in the officer corps. The Pentagon has trouble finding recruits physically fit enough for combat arms.

Pregnant-and-girl simulator, forced on American troops by feminists. The intention obviously is to humiliate, and they have succeeded. The problem is, first, that we have troops willing to put up with this and second, and far worse, is that the generals, who know perfectly well the effects of this sort of thing, have let the military become the playground of feminists, homosexuals, transvestites, transgenders, single mothers, and so on. They value their careers over the military.

Iranians are Muslims, not pansies and not afraid to die. They might not–I would say definitely will not–cave in to bombing. They might close the Straits of Hormuz (“Damn, sir! I was sure we could blow up all those missiles they have on pickup trucks.”) They might launch dispersed infantry attacks into various surrounding countries. Getting them out would be a hell of lot harder than letting them in.

In all of these contemplated wars, there is the belief in the Last Move: that is, that after the US defeats the Russian Air Force over Syria, which it could, Russia would throw up its hands, go home and do nothing–instead of, say, occupying the Caucasus, which it could. Always, always, the assumption is that the other side will behave as the bow-wow-woofs think it will.

People tend to think of countries as suprahuman entities with rational minds. We say, “Russia did this” or The US decided that….” Countries don’t decide anything. Men (usually) do. You know, McCain, Hillary, generals, delusional Neocons, and Trump, who is eerily similar to Kaiser Wilhelm, another stochastic military naif with a codpiece need. These massive egos are not well suited to backing down or conceding that they have made a mistake.

This egotism is important. Washington’s vanities could not accept being humiliated, not allow any country to show that resistance to America is possible.

Suppose that the Navy fired on a Chinese ship in the South China Sea, expecting Beijing to roll over as it would have thirty years ago–but it didn’t, instead leaving a carrier in flaming ruin. This is far from impossible. Carriers can be surprisingly fragile, and China has has focused resources specifically of defeating the American Navy in what it regards as its home waters. The American fleet has not fought a war since 1945. It doesn’t really know how well its weapons will work against their weapons.

The carrier Forrestal, 1967. A single Zuni ground-attack missile was fired accidentally, hitting a plane. A huge fire ensued, bombs cooked off, 134 men were killed, and the ship was devastated, out of service for a very long time. One five-inch missile.

Times have changed. Carriers today are useful only for bombing defenseless countries. Against serious opposition–Russia and China for example–they serve only as trip wires. The carrier itself does not amount to much, but if you cripple one, you are at war with the US. This is less scary than it used to be, which is dangerous in itself, but still not something one undertakes casually.

The following news story is worth reflection:

Surprise! Boo! “The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced”

“American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk – a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

“By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The story clearly was not written by a student of submarines or carriers, but the incident occurred, ten years ago–and Chinese submarines are getting rapidly better.

Emotionally unable to walk away from a local defeat, Washington would have to double down, likely by bombing China. The consequences would be disastrous, unpredictable, perhaps nuclear. Things soldiers do not think about: revolution when the United States, already deeply divided with the middle and lower classes pushed to the wall financially, suffer the depression that would follow on ending commerce with America’s largest trading partner–China. The lower middle class, already pushed to the wall, having no savings, finds prices going way up at Walmart. Apple stores have no iPhones. Boeing loses Chinese orders, laying off thousands. This list could go on for many pages. The elderly will remember the civil unrest during Vietnam.

If the war remained conventional, the outcome might boil down to which population could best survive privation–the Chinese, only a generation or so removed from living hard, or America’s squealing millennials, looking for safe spaces. If the Pentagon destroyed the Three Gorges Dam, and killed several million people, China might go nuclear. Note that if a few well-placed nuclear bombs shut down food distribution in the US for even a month, people in the cities would be fighting for food on the third day, and eating each other on the fifth.

This, those absurd vanities and overgrown children in New York are playing with.

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 7:10 am

“Iran has not caved to Washington’s threats and sanctions and clearly isn’t going to.”

Washington (CNN)The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html

$1.7-billion payment to Iran was all in cash due to effectiveness of sanctions, White House says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-iran-payment-cash-20160907-snap-story.html

I can see where all these threats and sanctions might be misunderstood, given the planeloads or cash we keep sending them. It makes me feel like a sanctimonious ass to keep rubbing people’s noses in reality, but shouldn’t a guy as smart as Fred at least be aware of the sophistry going on around him 24/7?

No nation on Earth sends more mixed signals than we do. It is either intentional or it is incompetence, but it can’t be anything else. Now you have to figure out why (if intentional) or how people so incompetent always seem to be completely competent at remaining in power.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 10:11 am

It was their money.The U.S. stole it . They had to hand it back, it was one of the pre conditions for normalizing relations but the neocons seem to have thoroughly taken over the government so no chance of that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 5, 2017 5:35 pm

The US is the great satan.

razzle
razzle
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 1:53 pm

To call it intentional (and thus why those darn people keep keepin’ power) would be to admit we’ve been out competed. Not just out competed, not even in the game. That is difficult for a lot of folks to accept.

There are people on this planet who are the most hard core of hard core free market anarchists and they are playing the game according to these rules:

1) The only rule is you did or you didn’t.

The rest of us around here are voluntarily playing the game according to high morals and ethics within a subset of the market which has been set aside for us… which is probably good for our souls regarding eternity.

However it is completely incompatible with competing meaningful with the sort of people who have an entirely different set of ethics and view the biggest free market zero government environment that exists above nations as their preferred playground.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  razzle
August 4, 2017 6:32 pm

It’s very simple. Successful, happy countries avoid wars, and especially large wars. The UK was on top of the world in 1914…Two world wars later, the empire was gone, England was an economic basket case, and it was still rationing food in 1953…That’s what warmongering tools of the bankers will do for you.

razzle
razzle
  pyrrhus
August 4, 2017 6:59 pm

Countries are sub-categories of the most real playing field there is.

Remove any thoughts as to consequences in an afterlife (or at least any negative judgement for causing deaths in wars for example). Remove any thoughts as to how things “should” be in terms of the importance of the happiness and success of the population of a nation.

That is the environment and field of competition the people we are in competition with are operating on. They are competing on a level that has no supervision, no regulations, no rules… except for what they can make happen via whatever means they choose to employ.

The “rules” of a nation require some song and dance to maintain an illusion of working within them as the herd understands them, but only so much as to not disrupt the herd enough that it will react in ways that will get in the way of pursuing whatever their self interests are currently pursuing.

If their self interests require sending a nation to war at the cost of one successful nation today, they will do so and so long as the people of the nation are impotent to stop them, then they have out competed the people of the nation in the pursuit of self interest fulfillment.

It doesn’t matter how much we do or don’t think they “should” be able to do this, if we can’t stop them the current standing rules on this planet say that they very well can. It then comes down to whether there is something beyond this planet that factors into consequences for operating in such a manner.

jas
jas
  pyrrhus
August 4, 2017 8:55 pm

Britain went from Top Dog to Underdog in about 35 years. It won’t take that long for the US this time

joe schmoe
joe schmoe
  hardscrabble farmer
August 5, 2017 7:30 am

The deep state America hating democrats and RINO’s must be tried, convicted, and jailed/executed for the known crimes and treasons they have committed. We stand at the exact same point in history as our founding fathers. Tyranny, unresponsive elites trying to control and subvert God given rights and our constitution. The founders had to decide to physically fight and kill their tormentors and we will have to make that same choice.
Politicians, judges, conduct yourselves accordingly!

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
August 4, 2017 8:06 am

First thing that struck me was Fred noting we lost in Vietnam-we didn’t. Eventually, our Congress betrayed the South, when the North reneged on the peace treaty, by refusing to send the promised military aid.

I don’t believe Trump will succumb to the neocons advocating a military response to N Korea when we have the power to cripple China economically. I don’t know if you’re keeping up but China is in a very tough spot financially, lately they’ve taken steps with their banking system that point to near desperation.

The threat of cancelling Boeing orders pales in comparison to the devastation a few simple things we can do. Funny thing is, China knows this and is seemingly
ignoring these ramifications.

Tough spot to be in. Kinda leaves us pee-ons sitting out on the end of the tree limb and the likes of Lindsey Graham has the saw.

I can only pray that TPTB come to realize that it’s just not our responsibility to be the World’s Arbiter.

In the meantime, I continue to buy silver, lead and long shelf life consumables. I suppose if I was rich again, I’d look to relocate somewhere where a world gone mad might pass me up. But I ain’t.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  MMinLamesa
August 4, 2017 12:04 pm

Question: What are the “few simple things we can do” that would devastate China?

By the way, you don’t have to be rich “to relocate somewhere where a world gone mad might pass me up.” Depends upon how one defines “rich”, I suppose, but I did it 14 years ago and am more and more pleased that I did.

Gator
Gator
  MMinLamesa
August 4, 2017 12:45 pm

All of those things you mentioned could be applied to the US as well. We aren’t in a ‘tough spot financially’? They could crash the dollar overnight by dumping their treasury holdings. Sure, it would wreck their economy, too, and they’d be dealing with 10s of millions of newly unemployed people, but the point Fred is making is that these are just people. Stupid, vain, arrogant, and fallible people. Such people don’t always make good decisions.

Our situation with China could be summed up as financial mutually assured destruction. Either country could cripple the other financially, but not without inflicting similar damage on themselves. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  MMinLamesa
August 4, 2017 6:55 pm

China is in a tough spot, LOL….No, the US is in a much tougher spot, with a very weak economy (no, Government salaries and pensions should NOT be counted as GDP), enormous debts, and currently flooded with uselss and welfare seeking immigrants..Fortunately, I see no way the US could fight a war in the Far East. Our navy would be sunk rapidly, and airbases would be highly vulnerable, while our ground forces wouldn’t last a week, for the reasons Fred points out.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 4, 2017 8:21 am

Better hope that North Korea didn’t take Tim Rifat’s suggestion to coat their strategic buildings with cobolt-60. If they did, a bombing by US will kill the people of South Korea.

Defiant Goyim
Diogenes

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 8:24 am

“First thing that struck me was Fred noting we lost in Vietnam-we didn’t.”

Of course we did. When you take your entire military out of country you’ve been fighting for and the people you were fighting take it over, that’s a loss. It can’t be anything else.

The battles won or number of casualties are not the way one determines win/loss in a war, but the political outcome.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 9:39 am

Don’t agree. The back stabbing we did to the South is indicative of a country that can no longer be trusted to keep it’s promises. Our fecklessness caused the deaths of millions after the North took over.

Further, our “entire” military was not removed.

And that back stabbing up & down a whole spectrum of issues, has been done to both citizens & foreign countries.

Gator
Gator
  MMinLamesa
August 4, 2017 12:50 pm

The regime in the south was hopelessly corrupt and hated by most people in south Vietnam. That’s another thing that US centric history tends to forget.

Vietnam most definitely was a loss, for the exact reasons HSF describes. When we finally come your senses with Afghanistan, the same thing will happen. The only reason we haven’t ‘lost’ yet is because no US president wants to be remembered as the one who ‘lost’ Afghanistan even though there is no scenario imaginable where it ends in anything but defeat. The instant we leave, the corrupt and hated puppet regime in Kabul will be tossed out, and the taliban or someone like them will run the country again.

Uncool Cat
Uncool Cat
  Gator
August 4, 2017 5:05 pm

Don’t forget the U.S. military’s overwhelming victory at Kent State.

Stucky
Stucky
  Uncool Cat
August 4, 2017 5:18 pm

I think that was the National Guard.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 6:57 pm

Fundamentally, you can’t win against 4GW forces who have the support of the people….Same in Iraq..

jas
jas
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2017 8:57 pm

somebody might want to post that photograph of the last helicopter leaving the embassy in Saigon back in the day. We got our asses kicked. As much by the North Vietnamese as by the lack of support at home.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
August 4, 2017 9:22 am

Reed totally ignores our stunning victory in Grenada.

Jimmy Torpedo
Jimmy Torpedo
  Iska Waran
August 4, 2017 9:40 am

Didn’t you guys win in Panama too?

CCRider
CCRider
August 4, 2017 9:22 am

What better example of a bloated, over the hill, bellicose blowhard that is the u. s. military than a 13 billion dollar plus aircraft carrier; a hundred year old technology gone berserk? Man, if those Japs try to bomb Pearl Harbor again are they in for an ass whoopin. Even the name, the gerald r ford is saturated in irony and farce. Ford-an establishment flunky who made his bones with TPTB by falsifying JFK’s autopsy report, was put in place to fill the void when Nixon was finally Shanghaied. Speaking of which, in the planning stages somewhere I’m sure, is a Florida sized dirigible to be named the micheal r pence.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  CCRider
August 4, 2017 6:58 pm

Aircraft carriers are white elephants and sitting ducks also…a neat feat!

jas
jas
  pyrrhus
August 4, 2017 9:00 pm

Regarding the aircraft carriers. One should consider the Hypersonic cruise missiles that are deployed by Iran Russia and China. Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks and a waste of money. However they mean jobs and votes for the Congress Critters, so there is that

starfcker
starfcker
  pyrrhus
August 5, 2017 6:54 am

Carriers are not sitting ducks. I don’t think we’ve lost one in seventy five years.

CCRider
CCRider
  starfcker
August 5, 2017 8:36 am

You just read of a single 5″ missile putting a carrier out of service for a very long time. And that was one fired by accident. Imagine what one fired with purpose could do. So $13 bil and the loss of some 5 or 6,000 sailors down the tubes in one fell swoop. Pathetic.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  starfcker
August 5, 2017 2:59 pm

Carriers today are what battleships were by WW2…obsolete unless attacking some place that is incapable of defending itself. Cases in point:

USS Arizona, sunk by a single armor piercing bomb dropped by a Kate.
Tirpitz, sunk at anchor.
Bismarck, crippled by a single torpedo fired by a canvas-covered biplane.
Yamato/Musahi, 75,000 ton superbattleships sunk by a few dozen aircraft.
HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse, sunk by Zeros
Vittoria Veneto – sunk by a radio-guided bomb from a DO217

…you get the point.

CCRider
CCRider
  Zarathustra
August 5, 2017 4:57 pm

Military history is filled with fighting the last war using other people’s money and sacrificing other people’s kids

Dan
Dan
  CCRider
August 5, 2017 6:28 pm

Great point about Ford falsifying the JFK autopsy. We are the people that remember

monger
monger
August 4, 2017 9:23 am

Im not even sure they are aware of what the public may do during another war after casting them as a enemy for so long… Perhaps they consider a draft viable ? Or martial law ? yeah that would blow the lid right off this place.

Autumn Cote
Autumn Cote
August 4, 2017 9:50 am

Would it be OK if I cross-posted this article to WriterBeat.com? There is no fee; I’mn simply trying to add more content diversity for our community and I enjoyed reading your work. I’ll be sure to give you complete credit as the author. If “OK” please let me know via email.

Autumn
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james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Autumn Cote
August 4, 2017 2:23 pm

I don’t think Fred Reed wrote this just for us – try clicking on his name at the top, and you will be linked to his blog, where this originated. You can then credit HIS blog, which is what that link does, essentially.

Suzanna
Suzanna
August 4, 2017 10:13 am

I agree with Fred’s take on the issues…
mostly.

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Regardless the US foreign misadventures misconceived…it is said the US has 7K, (7000)
up from 500 or so, private “contractors” (gangs)
employing, who knows who, driving around in
white cars with the logo in blue and red, ready to
provide “security” for the American people.
Essentially a private army. Real “army” is debating
transgender crap. In other words, one of the wars
being contemplated, is against the USA people.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
August 4, 2017 10:29 am

Base to leader,base to leader..Operation Northwoods is a go…I repeat Operation Northwoods is a go .

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
August 4, 2017 11:03 am

Best thing Fred has written that I’ve read. It goes up on SLL tonight.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Robert Gore
August 4, 2017 12:10 pm

I second the motion; certainly one of his best.

For anyone who believes the USA would do well in a nuclear conflict, I suggest the book “Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself–While the Rest of Us Die”, by Garrett M. Graff.

I wish the USA and its citizens well, still hold on to dimming hopes for the nation, but do not regret emigrating, given the present circumstances.

Stucky
Stucky
August 4, 2017 12:50 pm

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

vs

Russia, China, N Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq

Well, at least it’s it’s 7 against 7. We are a seriously bad-assed bunch of mofo’s with brass balls the size of Pluto.

Gator
Gator
  Stucky
August 4, 2017 12:54 pm

Haha stucky has returned. Where you been?

Good one, by the way.

jas
jas
  Stucky
August 4, 2017 9:02 pm

yeah big brass balls. It’s too bad that they are hollow

Stucky
Stucky
August 4, 2017 12:56 pm

Seriously, regarding foreign policy Trump is a total fucking failure. And I see no way whatsoever of it getting better, or that Trump will “learn” as he goes. Nosir. Trump has turned over that responsibility entirely to his Generals, Advisors, and Jooboi Kushner.

Funny, ain’t it. I was positive Hillary would have led us to ruin and destruction via Another World War. While still true, Trump might get us there way faster than Hillary could, maybe even before mid-term elections. (War is always good for the incumbent. It brings us all together, dontchyaknow?)

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Stucky
August 4, 2017 2:27 pm

If Hillary had won we would ALREADY be in a conflict with Russia over the “no-fly” zone over Syria she thought she could bloodlessly impose.
Trump just quit selling arms to certain Syrian “rebels” that McCain had approved of – hopefully Trump will figure out a way to solve these problems that doesn’t involve nukes. Then again, both McCain and Graham are still in the Senate, so it doesn’t look good.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Stucky
August 4, 2017 3:09 pm

Stuck, Congress just overwhelmingly passed the resolution requiring additional sanctions on Russia and removing Trump’s ability to undo sanctions on Russia. All because of the totally spurious charge of meddling in our election. He signed it when he should have vetoed it, but if he’s the warmonger, he’s still the least warmongery of all elected officials in D.C.

Stucky
Stucky
  Iska Waran
August 4, 2017 5:15 pm

Iska (and James the W.)

I understand all that. But,

The USA is still arming “moderate” (hahaha) Syrian rebels. He sent 59 cruise missiles based on …. no facts, whatsoever. More troops going into Afghanistan. A USN carrier group acting all tough-guy testerone-ish in the South China Seas. Almost daily implying an upcoming war with Iran and/or N Korea (all options on the table). The current horrendous relationship with Russia happened on his watch. No excuses please (or, doesn’t the buck stop with him?). Sanctions, even economic ones, are generally accepted as an act of war. Now, we’re gonna sanction Venezuela also. And he wants to spend hundreds of billions more dollars on the military …. even though we already spend more than Russia, China, and the next 8 biggest military spenders combined.

If this is not a war-mongery president, then I need to go back to skool and learn some shit.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Stucky
August 4, 2017 9:23 pm

Got to get the price of oil back up if we have to bury the big oil producers like Iran, Venezuela and Russia to do it. The buck is backed by oil and oil isn’t doing too hot. Whose going to buy American bonds backed by our pesos or Zimdollars?

starfcker
starfcker
  Stucky
August 5, 2017 7:00 am

This is not a warmongering president

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 4, 2017 1:42 pm

“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labor…The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city, where the possession of a lump of horseflesh makes the difference between wealth and poverty. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival. (2.9.28, Goldstein’s Manifesto)”

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 4, 2017 2:38 pm

I don’t think we want to win any more wars.

The conqueror used to absorb the defeated, or at least rule over them.
That paradigm seemed to disappear after WWII and the Marshal plan to rebuild the enemy.

Now, it seems like the goal is to simply create chaos, and prevent anyone from rebuilding a country, after it has been smashed, and the smashing is always “coalition forces”

I give you the example of Iraq, who’s regime is now not so fond of Uncle Sam, they still want us to bomb ISIS, but they are very friendly with Iran now.

We lost Iraq due to Obama’s foreign policy.
We destroyed Libya due to Obama’s foreign policy.
We destroyed Syria due to Obama’s foreign policy.
We let Kim Jong IL develop nukes, due to Obama’s foreign policy.

anyone starting to see a pattern here?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonymous
August 4, 2017 3:11 pm

Yeah. The pattern I see is that Obama had the exact same foreign policy as the 2008 GOP presidential nominee (and his wife, the senator from South Carolina).

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 4, 2017 3:49 pm

Good one! Iska!

deplorably stanley
deplorably stanley
August 4, 2017 4:21 pm

Is he calling me elderly??

TampaRed
TampaRed
  deplorably stanley
August 4, 2017 6:50 pm

i’d say more like curmudgeonly–

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
August 4, 2017 8:32 pm

While Fred’s article demolishes the USA’s military record, my buddy uses a broader paintbrush to demolish the pretentions of the AltRight:

Llpoh says:

White man has fucked up everything it has touched, in the end. Greece fell. Rome fell. The Dark ages came. Then the Renaissance came, and fell. France fell. UK fell. Germany and Prussia fell. The USSR fell. Spain fell, and is doing it again. Portugal ditto. The US fell (but has not had the good grace to fuly faceplant as yet – but it will happen.)

For all the hooting and hollering around here about the superior white race, it sure has made a mess of things time and again.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 4, 2017 11:08 pm

Hey, don’t blame the messenger, I’m just spitballing here. I know it’s hard to think of the unthinkable but the record speaks for itself.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 4, 2017 11:29 pm
EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Anonymous
August 5, 2017 2:44 am

Your a girl, Anony?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 10:39 am

My feminine intuition tells me you left out specific paper with relevant information when spitballing. Racist.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Anonymous
August 5, 2017 2:03 pm

I’m a recovering racist, I covered all that when I spoke of hating Salvies for years, then I married a Salvie woman. You really ought to get caught up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 2:06 pm

Endorsing: “White man has fucked up everything it has touched…”

Seems pretty racist to me, poppy. All I’ve seen those you’re most upset with suggest is they would like it if predominantly christian white people could have the same rights Jewish people claim and defend for themselves.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 4:09 pm

Stop beating up on me, how do I heal?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 4:24 pm

Will do, poppy.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:04 pm

Paul’s Testimony to Agrippa
…About noon, O king, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and my companions. We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice say to me in Aramaic, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ ‘Who are You, Lord?’ I asked. ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied.…

The Sadducees and the Resurrection
…In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God said to you: ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”…

Living in the Spirit
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit gives you life because of righteousness.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:12 pm

Poppy… are you claiming persecution as my lord and savoir after being called a racist in response to thine own words?

How could there be computers in heaven if there were no genders? How do they know which end of the plug they are holding?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:30 pm

I recall the elder Bush was called Poppy by his daughter in law. Nobody has ever called me that. SSS is called Pappa. Maybe you’ve confused me with him.

I posted those verses because it seems she is referencing them in her little dream. God is described like a light brighter than the sun. Like the light of burning magnesium or lightning. The light blinded Saul.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:35 pm

I don’t know what sort of mind games you’re playing at, but you’re definitely not poppy, poppy.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:51 pm

Whatever, AnonyPoppy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 7:59 pm

Correct, father.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 9:50 pm

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The Lord is My Rock
…In my distress I called upon the LORD, And cried to my God for help; He heard my voice out of His temple, And my cry for help before Him came into His ears.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
August 5, 2017 10:02 pm
Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
August 4, 2017 8:41 pm

When you go from a decent country, surrounded by oceans, to a hell bent empire, shoving your shit up everyone’s ass, you’re fucked. Ask Rome.

Hondo
Hondo
August 4, 2017 10:26 pm

If war with China, Russia, and Korea will make people in NYC eat each other: Where is the downside to the equation? thanks

Medammit
Medammit
August 5, 2017 4:29 pm

John McCain, one of those screaming for war, is the moron who went live with the missile on the Forrestal. The incident was covered up by his father, Admiral McCain.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Medammit
August 5, 2017 8:01 pm

Thanks for insinuating that McCain had anything to do with that thing in that place, moran. Next time, give us details if your not too tired.
Conspiracy nuts are always light on details. They leave it up to the reader to fill in the blanks.