QOTD: 30 YEARS AGO TODAY

Thirty years ago today was the biggest single day stock market crash in history. An equal size crash today would be over 5,000 Dow points.

#1 – Could a crash of this magnitude happen again?

#2 – The stock market valuation today is far higher than 1987 and on par with 1929 and 2000. Will we experience at least a 20% bear market decline within the next year?

#3 – Has the Federal Reserve and Wall Street figured out how to keep the stock market at a permanently high plateau?

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Diogenes
Diogenes
October 19, 2017 8:42 am

Q1: Yep
Q2: Yep
Q3: I don’t know how long they can keep the computerized circle jerk going.

Luddites for a Better Tomorrow
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Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
October 19, 2017 8:43 am

No. No. Yes.

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
  Work-In-Progress
October 19, 2017 11:02 am

Yes to #3?

Lol.

Hagar
Hagar
  Work-In-Progress
October 19, 2017 5:03 pm

Yikes, an eternal optimist!

Yes, Yes, HELL NO!

BL
BL
October 19, 2017 8:45 am

(1) Yes

(2) Yes

(3) Yes, until they don’t.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  BL
October 19, 2017 10:20 pm

Nothing to really add to that, B.L. You’re exactly right.

Stucky
Stucky
October 19, 2017 9:08 am

1. Not a question of “if” … But, “when”.

2. Yup. Or, just a matter of time.

3. The Fed couldn’t find their own assholes if you parted their ass-cheeks for them and guided their fingers to da hole.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Stucky
October 19, 2017 10:24 pm

LOL!

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
October 19, 2017 9:16 am

Yes
Yes
Yes and No:
Yes = Ever since QE and ZIRP destroyed the Bond Market and Money Markets/Savings, countries themselves are now investing in the Stock Markets. Just print money (electronically) and buy stocks.
No = At some point even the AI machines (automated trading by the Institutions) will learn and rebel at the ridiculous valuations.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
October 19, 2017 9:32 am

#1 Yes. Or larger since we are in an everything bubble where it is not just stocks that are over valued.

#2 Within the next year? Have no idea. Ties into question #3. The central banks seem to have found a formula to keep the system juiced and levitating.

I suspect that whatever causes this shit show to come unwound that the reprecussions will be much deeper than a 20% loss in value. Hope you have lots of copper and lead. It will be currency. Among other things.

TPC
TPC
October 19, 2017 9:46 am

#1 – Yes.

#2 – It will depend on the outside world. Something major will have to disrupt it from the real, physical world. Frankly, I expect a disruption of that size to cause all of the fiscal bloat to globally fail.

#3 – No. The real world exists. And when it intrudes on sterile conditions the experiment is often destroyed beyond recognition.

Anon
Anon
October 19, 2017 9:57 am

The reason I suspect a crash is coming sooner rather than later is that no one really believes it can happen. The Fed will print and save us is what every trader, banker, AI machine etc. is murmuring as they BTFD. Now with the central banking monopoly pulling down their balance sheets, I am wondering where the free money juice is going to come from.
Silicon Valley has already started seeing the effects of the VC crowd actually wanting to make money, so we’ ll see what the markets start to look like once “investors” actually have to use money that is becoming more rare and not just on tap at the Fed.

Two, if by sea. Three if from within, thee.
Two, if by sea. Three if from within, thee.
  Administrator
October 20, 2017 12:35 am

I looked at this and then deducted for inflation….

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
October 19, 2017 11:05 am

Those who think the Fed engineered the last 36 years should have to explain how they didn’t engineer the 1930’s.

Those who think the Fed controls interest rates should have to explain why changes to the yield on the 13-week T-bill precede changes to the Fed Funds and Discount Rates.

If I get in front of a marching band and begin to wave my arms, am I conducting it?

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
October 19, 2017 11:06 am

You read it here first:

When the Long Boom ends, the effect will look like a “shortage of money.”

Leobeer
Leobeer
October 19, 2017 11:09 am

You need a parabolic rise to get a huge crash.

I say a parabolic bubble rise. Nasdaq 100 (current at 6079) up to at least 10,000 , maybe more than a double. Sooner rather than later — probably in less than a year, 2 years at most.

Then, the SHTF. Bubbles pop faster than the rise. Unfortunately no one rings a bell at the top. No one knows at the time if it is a correction and you are going higher or a bubble popping. That will get really ugly.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
October 19, 2017 11:22 am

#1 Yes
#2 Yes, and probably higher than 20%
#3 No, They just believe they do. It’s always at the expense of someone, that someone being you and I.

DRUD
DRUD
October 19, 2017 11:46 am

1) It is a mathematical certainty — but math has been legislated out of existence – so NO.

2) I guarantee it – but I am always wrong – so NO.

3) It is fundamentally impossible for anything, anywhere to reach a perfect eternal equilibrium — but the Fed does three fundamentally impossible things each day before breakfast – so YES.

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
October 19, 2017 11:55 am

Crash Cubed. Poor people love Communism (the Democrats) and Investors love Wall Street. Both are going to get overdue love from the Devil real soon. Barnum Bailey, it may look like a shortage of money but it will be caused by the glut of Fiat Welfare/Warfare Dollars.

TC
TC
October 19, 2017 12:41 pm

1- Yes, once “they” are full of cash and ready to slaughter some sheep.
2- only a privileged group of maybe a couple hundred people worldwide know the exact answer and timing of this
3- Yes, at least temporarily. If you had asked me this question in 2007, I’d say no fuckin’ way. The sheer magnitude of “printing” on a global scale, with the central banking cartel coordinated into buying each others assets and equities, both good and bad, has proven to move markets. They’ve also figured out how to inflate assets yet deny the common family the “reward” of inflation (via higher wages) by slamming down the velocity of money. Central bank owners and wealthy asset holders win, the common people lose, and on a scale never seen by humanity.

If you set out to design a machine of pure evil, capable of strip mining every last cent from the huddled masses and extracting every bit of productivity of the working class to the benefit of the .1%, you couldn’t create a better masterpiece than our current global system of financialization. In fact, you might very well say that our economic system is proof that Satan exists on earth.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
October 19, 2017 1:56 pm

No to all. We cannot have a 20% crash in one day because of circuit breakers. We can and most likely will have a 20% decline but cant rightfully be called a “crash” since it wont happen in one day. As for it happening in the next year? Dont see anything to indicate it will. I was about to call a top at several points in 2014 but didnt do so until the very end of 2014 and even then I was several months early depending on which index you were looking at. Markets dont crash from these types of extremes in sentiment. There was a long time delay between the euphoria of Oct 2007 and the actual “crash” of 2008, almost an entire year in fact. Same for 2001-2002. Same for the 1974 event. And so on. 1987 was an outlier but even that crash occured a whole 6 weeks after the market made its all time high. 6 weeks is a decent amount of time for things to break down. There is no way anything of significance is going to happen this month.

Mike Murray
Mike Murray
October 19, 2017 1:58 pm

ABSOLUTELY.
Maybe… maybe even likely.
OH hell no.

Vodka
Vodka
October 19, 2017 2:05 pm

The unprecedented Berkshire Hathaway cash reserves makes one suspicious that Buffet thinks there could be a bargain fire sale in the near future. Although a QE4&5 might come about to prop things up.

Two, if by sea. Three if from within, thee.
Two, if by sea. Three if from within, thee.
October 20, 2017 12:38 am

Are the questions relevent if its not a stock market anymore?