Mazda’s Solution That Works . . . If Uncle Will Allow It

Guest Post by Eric Peters

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If you were counting calories, would you exclude the deep-fried shell of the taco you’re planning to eat?

Probably not – unless you weren’t really counting calories.

What has this to do with cars? A lot, it turns out. In particular, electric cars – which are touted as being “zero emissions” cars. For the most part, this is like not counting some of the calories you consume.

You are only fooling yourself.

Utility plants use fossil fuels to generate electricity, which generates emissions.

Including the newly minted one, carbon dioxide. Which didn’t used to be considered an “emission,” because it’s not. It is of course emitted – whether at the tailpipe or the smokestack – but C02 hasn’t got anything to do with air pollution or people’s health, which used to be the criteria for designating a byproduct of human activity a pollutant.

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And the justification for regulating it.

Carbon dioxide has been lumped in with harmful to both air quality and to people’s health compounds precisely because those compounds have been all-but-eliminated and are no longer a public health or air quality worry.

A new hobby horse had to found – in order to justify the continuation (and expansion) of regulation.

But more on that in a moment.

 If carbon dioxide is an “emission,” then certainly the output of C02 from utility plants that  generate the electricity which powers electric cars ought to be factored into the total “calorie count.”

This is Mazda’s entirely reasonable argument, at any rate.

Mazda is the only major automaker not jumping on the electric car bandwagon – which is more like the electric car cliff. As in Pied Piper and rats headed toward. Instead, Mazda is focusing on internal combustion engines which are not only exceptionally “clean” – they are cleaner than electric cars.

If the totality of their respective emissions is taken into account.

Mitsuo Hitomi – Mazda’s powertrain chief – made precisely this argument as part of the public announcement of its new hybrid compression ignition/spark-ignition engine. It is not a hybrid in the usual sense – an internal combustion engine paired with an electric motor/battery pack. Instead, it combines diesel and gas technology – the idea being to blend the advantages of both.

Diesels (compression ignition engines) are more fuel-efficient than gas (spark ignition) engines. But they are politically incorrect engines. Although the current crop are exceptionally clean-burning engines, they are not quite “clean” enough to pass muster with the zero emissions tailpipe exhaust emissions requirements in force not just in the United States but also in Europe.

Nearly nil is not sufficient.

Gas engines, meanwhile, aren’ t efficient enough to pass muster with the mandatory MPG minimums in force and pending.

Catch 22.

Unless . . .

What if you could design an engine that combines the fuel-efficiency of compression ignition but doesn’t burn diesel – and so no diesel emissions issues? And – adding up everything – produces lower emissions than a “zero emissions” electric car while not being hobbled by the functional gimps and high costs which plague those things?

Mazda has done just that.

The new SkyActive-X engine is 40-56 percent thermally efficient, according to Hitomi – which is nearly twice as thermally efficient as any in-production gas engine – while producing 25 percent less carbon dioxide at the tailpipe. When you add it all up, Hitomi says, the net output of the SkyActive-X engine is less than the net output of the same produced by a “zero emissions” electric car fed by a natural gas-fired utility plant.

And much less than an electric car fed juice produced by a coal-or-oil-fired utility plant.

It’s all true. Mazda’s not blowing smoke. The company produced the hard data to back up the claims. The problem is that Mazda, in its innocence, assumes that “low emissions” and “high mileage” are the government’s true purpose. But Mazda is like Charlie Brown perpetually trying to kick the football which Lucy pulls away at the last moment.

The true object of the exercise is the extermination – via regulation – of internal combustion. Whether gas – or diesel – or both.

It does not matter how “clean” – or fuel-efficient – Mazda (or any other car company) manages to make an engine. It will never be “clean” – or “efficient” – enough. Because the government is determined to get us out of cars that work – and which we can afford – and into cars that don’t work and which we can’t afford.

Electric cars – whether their actual emissions are zero or not.

The fact that they don’t work – they don’t go far enough and they take much too long to recharge – is a plus from the government’s point-of-view. It means less mobility – and greater control.

The fact that electric cars are prohibitively expensive is likewise a plus from the government’s point of view. And from the point-of-view of the corporations which have become de facto agencies of the government. These hope to profit from perpetual revolving debt extracted via endless rent.

Mazda hasn’t bought into this corrupt corporatist-technocratic long con . . . yet. The people running the company are still car people. Finding such at a major automaker these days is not unlike looking for a drink at the Vatican.

Much hangs in the balance. If Mazda can successfully explain to the public that this new engine of theirs answers every stalking horse objection raised by the regulatory regime which serves as the enforcement mechanism of the corporatist-technocratic nexus, it is just possible they might get away with actually putting it into cars and offering it for sale. Mazda intends to offer SkyActive-X in the 2019 Mazda3 sedan/hatchback. Then other Mazda models.

Expect the government to rise to this challenge and find something to fault about this new technology that works.

Even if they have to make it up.

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Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 7:58 pm

Toyota electric cars, trucks, and busses use zero fossil fuels!

Sorry to totally blow your false narrative to smithereens Eric Peters!

You are only fooling yourself!

Toyota has developed hydrogen fuel cell cars, busses, and trucks. The hydrogen production does not require the use of fossil fuels either. It uses methane and biofuels from sewage treatment plants and landfills solving multiple problems simultaneously !

Toyota fuel cell cars:

https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html

Toyota fuel cell trucks:

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/toyotas-still-serious-hydrogen-built-semi-prove/

http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/15160167

Personally, I would give Toyota an award!

The first plane that was developed by Lockheed was a hydrogen aircraft:

Lockheed hydrogen aircraft:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_CL-400_Suntan

The Fossil Fuel Industry is Living in the Ice Ages! – Andrea Iravani

The Fossil Fuel Industry is Living in the Ice Ages!

So… Proof that I do not hate all corporations! Only the evil ones!

Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and TR were all environmentalists! After the Rockefeller/ Kissinger collusion of the Petro dollar, Republicans became insane, because the Petro dollar is insane!

The Petro dollar- funding terrorists since 1973!

The Oil and Vinegar Foreign Policy of the U.S. and The Rockefeller Foundation – Andrea Iravani

The Oil and Vinegar Foreign Policy of the U.S. and The Rockefeller Foundation

1980XLS
1980XLS
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 8:20 pm

You fucking imbecile,

Please explain to us where and how one gets Pure (elemental) Hydrogen without any any energy expended.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  1980XLS
January 31, 2018 8:33 pm

1980xls-Read the links retard!

I even said it right in the post! You don’t even have 3rd grade reading or science skills!

RiNS
RiNS
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 8:52 pm

Hydrogen can only be produced by putting energy into system from another source. It is no different than the batteries in electric cars. You are the retard not 1980..

Go back to selling newspapers…

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  RiNS
January 31, 2018 9:34 pm

Guess that you didn’t read this part!
The hydrogen production does not require the use of fossil fuels either.
It uses methane and biofuels from sewage treatment plants and landfills solving multiple problems simultaneously !

Not many on TBP are capable of thinking outside the box. ( or reading)

RiNS
RiNS
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 10:47 pm

Hydrogen does not exist in a free state. To make hydrogen requires some outside source of energy.

You are stupidest dumb cunt ever. Lawn furniture is smarter than you..

nkit
nkit
  RiNS
January 31, 2018 10:52 pm

Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, Point, Vasilevskiy and Namestnikov exist in a free state. They don’t need any outside source of energy. Just sayin’. Sergy doesn’t suck, either…

RiNS
RiNS
  RiNS
January 31, 2018 11:03 pm

Geeze nkit

You really know how to kick a friend in the ballz and make it hurt.
As fer the Habbies I’m hoping they will finish in last place and get a good draft pick. But odds are they will fuck that up too! Tho in their defense they have to really shit the bed to catch the coyotes..

Looks like Max Pacioretty is playing his way out of town.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/01/30/time-create-bidding-war-max-pacioretty/

nkit
nkit
  RiNS
January 31, 2018 11:17 pm

Pacioretty is good and Price is an all – star.. you have a future,unfortunately for Bolts fans.. Next year.. And I would NEVER kick a buddy in the balls..NEVER….but you know that….I seek a Stanley Cup almost as much as I seek lobster….

RiNS
RiNS
  RiNS
January 31, 2018 11:31 pm

Yeah I know, he’s hoping that the Bolts go all the way this year. I’d rather them then any other team, at least in the East.. Anyways.

lobster is cheap and plentiful in May, June in these parts. Should have a TBP/Stanley Cup party. We could invite Andrea, just for the laughs. She could regale us all in her stories of intrigue and espionage. Wouldn’t it be cool to have one of the most dangerous woman in all the world.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  RiNS
February 1, 2018 12:41 am

Yes. I know That! The energy that is used is renewable energy. Methane from waste water and landfills! You are a dickhead!

Didn’t you read my 2 posts?!

I’m only dangerous to the establishment, because I know the truth about many things that they have gone to great lengths to conceal.

The Calgary Flames stayed in a hotel that I was in in Banff. It was actually condoes. Those guys are wild! I didn’t hang out with them. They were really loud though!

RiNS
RiNS
  RiNS
February 1, 2018 6:35 am

Androndia

Fuck sakes call me a dumbfuck and make my day.
Saying I am a dickhead is really passe..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  RiNS
February 1, 2018 12:15 pm

Same is true of all fuels, they all take energy to create in the first place and efficiency never allows a 100% recovery of that initial energy.

nkit
nkit
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 11:37 pm

May or June… I’m coming.. If its above 32 F…

RiNS
RiNS
  nkit
January 31, 2018 11:45 pm

Ice should be gone….

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 11:35 pm

Andrea, a couple points.

1) Links to Toyota press releases and your own writing are not exactly solid proof of your argument.
2) While landfills and sewage treatment plants produce methane as a bi-product of decomposition, there are not enough landfills and treatment plants in the US to power more than a large corporate fleet of vehicles.

The bottom line is that hydrogen is NOT an energy source. Hydrogen is an energy storage device like a battery. Moreover, putting hydrogen into a useful stored state where it can be used to power a vehicle is very energy intensive. Why do I say that, because the Wired magazine article you link to states that:

“…although hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, converting it to liquid fuel is energy intensive.”

So Andrea, unless aliens from outer space bring us magic, abundant, non-polluting energy we are stuck with fossil fuels, as well as a bit of energy from solar, wind, and hydropower. And fossil fuels are the only thing that can power a vehicle, even if the vehicle is electric because the electricity typically comes from a plant burning fossil fuels.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Trapped in Portlandia
January 31, 2018 11:44 pm

“So Andrea, unless aliens from outer space bring us magic, abundant, non-polluting energy we are stuck with fossil fuels, as well as a bit of energy from solar, wind, and hydropower. And fossil fuels are the only thing that can power a vehicle, even if the vehicle is electric because the electricity typically comes from a plant burning fossil fuels.”

Exactement. Precisely the point I was trying to make. Andrea seems to think that you just stick a fucking hose in a pile of shit, and voilá, fill ‘er up!

You can’t fix stupid, so I don’t know why I even try.

By the way, Trapped, I was once a denizen (born and raised) of your sister city, Seattle. Why not leave? Plenty of engineering jobs all over the place.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Rdawg the fascist
February 1, 2018 1:28 am

…You can either be on the cutting edge, or behind the curve.

The fossil fuel industry is living in the ice ages!

The Tudor brothers made a fortune by shipping ice. There were ice booms across America!

http://mentalfloss.com/article/22407/surprisingly-cool-history-ice
And then people bought freezers.

The carbon argument against fossil fuels is an establishment argument that was originally drafted for the purposes of Wall Street to capitalize off of reducing pollution through trading carbon credits, that thankfully failed.

I oppose the Paris Accord and carbon trading because the Paris agreement will actually increase pollution because it allows developing nations to continue increasing pollution and fines developed nations for not reducing pollution and also expects developed nations to pay for the transition of developing nations, prior to our own transition.

Theodore Roosevelt, Barry Goldwater, and Richard Nixon were all environments. T.R. started the national parks system, and Richard Nixon started the EPA. Stepping back into toxic sludge is not revolutionary, it’s stupid.

We also must add $1 trillion a year to the $359,500,000,000 that we spent on oil in 2016 for the cost of the wars, just for starters! Also add the cost of clean-up for over 220 oil spills and 66 railcar explosions, the earthquakes caused by fracking, and the enormous quantities of our most vital, scarce, and precious resource, water required for fracking.

Burlington Vermont has a 100% renewable energy plant and 24 cities have also committed to 100% renewable energy.

Home

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/cities-commit-renewable-en…

66 oil railcar explosions since 2013:

https://earthjustice.org/features/map-crude-by-rail

Over 220 oil pipeline spills in the U.S. in 2016:

https://www.ecowatch.com/pipeline-spills-2061960029.html

500 coal miners died annually in mining accidents and 25,000 have coal miners pneumonocisis:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Coal_mining_disasters

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis

Destroying purple mountains majesty through mountain top mining removal:

https://earthjustice.org/slideshow/images-of-mountaintop-removal-mining

Toyota has developed hydrogen fuel cell cars, busses, and trucks. The hydrogen production does not require the use of fossil fuels either. It uses methane and biofuels from sewage treatment plants and landfills solving multiple problems simultaneously !

Toyota fuel cell cars:

https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html

Toyota fuel cell trucks:

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/toyotas-still-serious-hydrogen-built-semi-…

http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/15160167

Personally, I would give Toyota an award!

The first plane that was developed by Lockheed was a hydrogen aircraft:

Lockheed hydrogen aircraft:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_CL-400_Suntan

Johnston controls has its own solar system! Wow! Their very own solar system! They sell renewable energy technology and batteries to other businesses to help them reduce costs:

http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/batteries/capabilities/applied-research-a…

There is no safe form of nuclear energy and there never will be. Safe nuclear energy is a physical impossibility. Once the process of nuclear fission begins, it cannot be stopped, unless there is an explosion or nuclear meltdown in a nuclear chain reaction that occurs. The nuclear waste must be fed like a monster. It is done so in the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel. New metals are added in attempt to weaken the radioactive levels, and to cool It with moltent metals! It is the equivaent of trying to walk up the down escalator going at 75 miles per hour. It is my belief that the 50’s sci-fi movie, The Blob was actually about nuclear waste.

The Hanford nuclear plant is undergoing heat decay in the process of a nuclear meltdown in a nuclear chain reaction which will eventually result in a nuclear explosion. Using nuclear waste for nuclear energy production also creates more nuclear waste.

Cold fusion is not safe either. It is an outright lie that it is. The nuclear reactors are called breeder reactors because they breed radioactive material in the process of nuclear fission. The waste is not burned in the process. Large quantities of radio active tritium are released into the atmosphere.

http://www.energyfromthorium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3175&hilit=Tr…

New Parliamentary Group Formed to Consider Thorium

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

Watch “David Gilmour – “There’s No Way Out Of Here”” on YouTube

Watch “The Doors – The End (original)” on YouTube
https://youtu.be/JSUIQgEVDM4

Watch “Trailer – The Blob (1958)” on YouTube

Let’s keep it this way!

Watch “America The Beautiful – Annie Karto” on YouTube

Peace,
Andrea Iravani

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Rdawg the fascist
February 1, 2018 1:29 am

You Are a complete brainwashed stooge! And you are completely wrong!!!!

Cynicles
Cynicles
  Trapped in Portlandia
January 31, 2018 11:53 pm

“And fossil fuels are the only thing that can power a vehicle…”
Because Tesla’s biggest secret(s) are suppressed?

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Cynicles
January 31, 2018 11:57 pm

Nikola or that Elon Musk fraud?

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Trapped in Portlandia
February 1, 2018 12:59 am

Trapped in portlandia- The batteries do not require charging. They are fuel cells. They do not use ANY fossil fuels for their hydrogen production. You are just despartely looking for something that isn’t there. You have no fucking clue as to what you are talking about, and it shows and you sound like a completely desperate fool!

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 2:05 am

Andrea, Andrea, Andrea, I’m sensing you didn’t take any of those science classes in school or you wouldn’t say things like:

“The batteries do not require charging. They are fuel cells. They do not use ANY fossil fuels for their hydrogen production. “

As an engineer with multiple degrees and lots of science classes in my past, let me explain. Hydrogen is typically derived from water. But the problem is hydrogen in water has some pesky oxygen attached to it. To separate the hydrogen from the oxygen so that the hydrogen is useful for fuel requires quite a bit of energy. Currently that energy must come from fossil fuels or nuclear or solar or wind or hydro. Once you separate the hydrogen from the oxygen you can put it into a fuel cell where it can be used for energy. But eventually you deplete the hydrogen and its associated energy from the fuel cell and you need to recharge it like a battery.

Bottom line is energy only comes from fossil fuels, nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro. You can also get energy from ocean waves and tides but that source is minuscule.

There is no free lunch, there is no perpetual motion machines, and there are no fuel cells that don’t require outside energy for their energy inputs.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Trapped in Portlandia
February 1, 2018 12:38 pm

https://phys.org/news/2017-07-scientists-robust-catalyst-hydrogen-oxygen.html

Or bio production of hydrogen.

Fuel cells can also be made to run off of gasoline or natural gas and are much more efficient in electric driven vehicles than those powered by combustion engines and conventional drive systems.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Trapped in Portlandia
February 1, 2018 4:23 pm

How you passed science is a complete mystery! Methane is a gas that can be converted to energy for the production of hydrogen! You serve as a poster child for the failure of the American education system!

RiNS the deplorable
RiNS the deplorable
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 7:31 am

Andrea’s Panacea

Whatta maroon!

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The one minor detail she forgets is the equation needs to balance as rdawg and Portlandia are trying to explain. Her delusions of grandeur, clouded by years of Benzos and booze makes it likely that she will never understand how these equations works. Looks like the only thing she passed in Science class was sucking cock behind the bus shed. Andrinonia does not have a ready source of free hydrogen to power the fuel cells to save the fucken’ world. Neither does anyone else. Her plan, like all the others trying to sell a free lunch is going to go up in flames then quickly crash on the ground.

A Graf deception if ever there was one..

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just like the Zeppelin that landed in New jersey so long ago..

ElGeeAhr
ElGeeAhr
  RiNS the deplorable
February 1, 2018 8:36 am

Rob, it’s a lost cause brother.
“I don’t know where she’s from. She’s like a girl on the moon”
-Foreigner

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  RiNS the deplorable
February 1, 2018 4:35 pm

RiNS- Ha. Ok. Keep your delusions. I’m sure that there must be a handful of Americans that are stupid enough to fall for it. Maybe you can get them to run for office. I assume that you must have been joking about inviting me to a TBP party. Who on earth would voluntarily subject themselves to such abuse from liars or idiots?

Dutchman
Dutchman
  1980XLS
February 1, 2018 10:34 am

This is how it works: You need to shit as you drive. The shit is converted in to H2 through a proprietary process. The problem is how to shit continuously. It has more of an application for buses / trains / planes – where you have more people shitting.

Nathan Bedford Quantrell
Nathan Bedford Quantrell
  Dutchman
February 1, 2018 11:57 am

I see that you are joking, but the thought behind your comment should lead you to a revolutionary breakthrough.

You see, buses, subways, trains, and other public conveyances are now filled with oppressed people of color, most of whom are really fat, and pass much gas, due to their inadequate diets. Some of them can really rip one out the old ventral orifice.

Most of the components of the ventral gas emissions are combustible. A really good engineer could design a system to separate those combustible vapors from the air in the bus, direct the combustibles to the engine intake, and return the purified air to the interior of the bus.

A trivial task that would kill several birds at one time. Make Andrea happy with the methane fueled bus; Make the Dutchman even richer with the proceeds of his additional new patent; and unload the olfactory organs of the occasional pale skinned bus rider.

You are probably wondering why I have time to write during the morning on a busy work day. Well, even though it is only Thursday, I already made three really big sales this week. Sales so big that my employer is planning a winter vacation trip to Baja California for himself, his trophy wife, and their two retarded offspring. His offspring from his first marriage will be staying here and making my life miserable for the next two weeks.

Jimminy Cricket's Little Brother
Jimminy Cricket's Little Brother
  1980XLS
February 1, 2018 12:47 pm

I read that some scientists speculate that big pools of liquid hydrogen exist on some of the moons of Saturn. Bit far to go for a fillup, though.

Been reading in my spare time, now that the Baptists have convinced me to abandon demon rum. Kinda wish they hadn’t, got too much time on my hands now. Before, was able to sit for hours staring out into space after drinking a bottle of cheap hooch or 15 to 20 beers. Now, I fill the time reading.

The Hastings paper is not bad, but the Lincoln paper and the Omaha paper are just nothing but lies and twistings of the truth. I admire a hard worker, and those people work really hard at hoodwinking people.

Read the Washington post once and the New York Times once. The NYT people are really good at twisting reality, like when they say Elon and his exploding electric cars are going to save the world. The Washington Post writers are either not so good or just to lazy to lie well. Now I understand why my Tweety Bird thought the New York Times is good enough to shit on, but thinks the Washington Post is not good enough for his shit.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 8:59 pm

Re: Toyota fuel cell vehicles.

1. Way too expensive.
2. No place to re-fuel them.
3. Requires energy to produce the hydrogen. Yeah, from coal plants and stuff.

The only way it works to avoid “greenhouse gases” is to get your electricity from nuke, hydro, solar, wind.

Non-starter.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Rdawg the fascist
January 31, 2018 9:37 pm

Guess that you didn’t read this part!
The hydrogen production does not require the use of fossil fuels either.
It uses methane and biofuels from sewage treatment plants and landfills solving multiple problems simultaneously !

Not many on TBP are capable of thinking outside the box. ( or reading)

I spell things out quite clearly. Men here seem to be thinking with the wrong head. It must be the effect of the near porn advertising that is only on this site. I have never visited a porn site.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Andrea Iravani
January 31, 2018 10:39 pm

Jesus Christ Andrea, you are thick as a brick.

Yes, the building blocks for the hydrogen can come from methane, etc.

But it requires ENERGY to get the hydrogen (reforming). Do you understand that? E-N-E-R-G-Y.

Where, my failed artist friend, does that ENERGY come from? Hint: coal or gas or nuke or hydro or solar or wind…

Depending on where the ENERGY comes from, it may or may not be fossil fuel neutral.

Do you get it now?

EDIT: Just saw your latest. No, the problem is not “porn” or “thinking with the wrong head”. The problem is you haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about. You are incredibly ignorant, and yet pontificate from a position of false authority endlessly. Go take some night classes in Physics and get back to me; there is no free lunch.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Rdawg the fascist
February 1, 2018 1:02 am

Rdawg- Imbecile! How fucking brainwashed can you be?! Methane is a gas that can be converted to energy! Are you on Rockefellers payroll?! If so, he isn’t getting his monies worth!!!

You are so stupid that i feel sorry for you. Honestly!

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 8:16 am

I fart methane daily. Can you locate some of the thousands of methane plants on a map for me so i know where i can donate my gas to? Yeh, i know a couple exist. They make enuf to run the facility and thats it. You are living in a fantasy. Think big project infrastructure, trillions of dollars, to switch our economy and power generation over to a system that wont work as well, and does not need to be done. For co2, a non polluting gas. That we exhale. Constantly.

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Martin brundlefly
February 1, 2018 4:26 pm

You are not convincing anyone. Guess that the rickefellers hang out on TBP.

Jake
Jake
  Rdawg the fascist
January 31, 2018 11:50 pm

Back in the 90’s I was hot for a fuel cell car and was following Ballard fuel cells powering busses in Shitcago.. Toyota announced they would manufacture the RAV 4 with a fuel cell in 2000. Still waiting.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 8:10 am

He said affordable you rube. Show me the affordable hydrogen cel 400hp pickup truck that i need for daily towing. While you are at it, dig me out a hydrogen cel backhoe, trackhoe, skidder, logging truck, and whatever else you can provide which doesnt exist in normal daily life that you apparently have a pipeline to. And a good reliable snowmobile powered by unicorn poop would also be a benefit.
How are you making your zero chemical, zero electricity hydrogen refueling stations safe? Pretty explosive gas, even at low pressures. But i am sure you will figure it out while conjuring the rest of your infrastructure project.
All your commentary is so useless. Dont you belong on some website that claims many men require menstrual products?

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Martin brundlefly
February 1, 2018 5:55 pm

Martin brundlefly- Affordable? Like spending $1 trillion on Middle East wars every year, and the national security threat, and lives lost as a result?! Imbecile! I feel sorry for you. You must know a lot of really stupid morons to be so outrageously optimistic in your ability to get away with fallacious math and outright fabrications!

What is it like to have no sense of morality ?!

I would say that you are just a lying sack of shit, but at least a sack of shit produces methane. So, you are more lowly than a sack of shit. Great achievement! You only produce death and destruction.

Stucky
Stucky
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 7:57 pm

There is not one person on TBP whom you haven’t denigrated or insulted, either individually or as a group virtually every single day.

I’ve had enough Really.

ADMIN: EMAIL ME WHEN ANDREA NO LONGER POSTS HERE (EITHER VOLUNTARILY OR OTHERWISE).

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  Stucky
February 2, 2018 2:57 am

They insulted me first Stucky. They also are wrong and lie whenever someone says something true that they don’t like.

RiNS
RiNS
  Andrea Iravani
February 2, 2018 6:47 am

Aww Poor Androneon

It is you against the world. You fail to understand basic and I mean basic chemical equations. I can put up with yer bullshit but when you dismiss outright what are indisputable facts.. well that is when you jump the shark. There is debateing with you. We are all supposed to just sit around and be toled by you how it is.

Fact is you don’t want ANY constructive criticism. I even went to your website and left comments. Which you refused to post. FUCK YOU YOU FUCKEN DUMB CUNT TROLL. YOU ARE RUINING THIS THIS PLACE STRUTTING AROUND LIKE A PIDGEON SHITTING ALL OVER THE PLACE!

[img]https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53ab1feee4b0bef0179a1563/t/5923363e17bffc56f94a69a9/1495480034643/Water+Molecule[/img]

One thing is true. The bond to your delusions is stronger than oxygen has to the hydrogen that you think is going to save the world.

You are turning this place into your sandbox to shit in. I’m with Stucky on this one. Take your dinkies and play somewhere else..

fred
fred
  Andrea Iravani
February 1, 2018 10:36 pm

When/if gasoline running cars are illegal, I hope I’m long gone from this earth.

There’s nothing inspiring about electric cars, and the tech is really crummy right now, Batteries aren’t there yet.

But the bottom line is noone in their right mind would drive one of those boring gutless, noiseless pieces of crap… This country is so faggoty.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  fred
February 1, 2018 10:56 pm

I’m not a big EV fan, but gutless they are not (at least some of them).

Many have neck-snapping acceleration that would make any automotive enthusiast take notice.

Cynicles
Cynicles
  fred
February 2, 2018 9:54 pm

hear hear

doug
doug
January 31, 2018 8:05 pm

Wow- beautiful engineering. Wish ’em luck in politics.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
January 31, 2018 8:28 pm

It is so much easier to write regulations than to engineer solutions to problems. Mazda is fighting the wrong battle. If we don’t defeat the progressives we will be Europe very soon.

unit472/
unit472/
January 31, 2018 8:50 pm

It was amusing to learn of the German auto industry using monkeys ( and humans ) to study the effect of diesel exhaust on health. It turned out that a new VW Beetle with its emission control system fully operational caused more health issues than a 1997 Ford Ranger with a diesel engine. The irony is it was these same EU officials who made European automakers develop and promote diesel engines in their passenger cars. Now these same EU officials are set to force people to buy electric cars even though the large scale production of them does not yet exist or if they are commercially viable.

Steve
Steve
January 31, 2018 10:19 pm

If CO2 emission is the problem, I say we start eliminating those emitters. We can start with illegal aliens and politicians.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 31, 2018 10:54 pm

If it’s going to be done, the Japanese are smart enough to figure out how to do it. I’ve worked with them for many years. They are weird, but nobody, including even the Germans, will out-engineer them. If there is really a superior race, the Japs are it. On one hand, we should consider ourselves lucky we beat them in the Pacific War. On the other, maybe it would have been better for us if they had won it.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Zarathustra
January 31, 2018 11:05 pm

Yes smart, but incredibly rigid in their thinking at times.

I dealt with a Japanese engineer about a year ago. I was designing a component for a tunnel boring machine that had to withstand 20 bar water pressure. I was able to demonstrate via finite element analysis that my structure’s bulkhead using thin ribs and gussets could satisfy the design criteria (deflection-driven) at a significantly lower mass than the traditional, thicker plate design.

This man absolutely refused to budge, because the “design rules” said you had to do it a certain way. So I made the structure about 30% heavier than necessary. Because reasons.

Gilnut
Gilnut
February 1, 2018 7:37 am

Mazda is indeed taking the internal combustion engine where it needs to go. However, there were tests run in the 1950’s or 1960’s I believe that experimented with transporting electricity from the earth’s ionosphere to ground. There was so much charged plasma (electricity) that it absolutely fried any materials used. Tesla was indeed correct that the earth was a giant electro magnet, he just looked in the wrong direction. There is an unlimited supply of electricity above our heads, started at or about 50km (31 miles). This is well known by NASA et al, but just imagine what free energy would do to the World Order. Hmmmmmmmm.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  Gilnut
February 1, 2018 8:21 am

Too bad they aint got batteries to store it 31 miles up. New technology, new infrastructure, hard reboot. Or we could just use what works. We have it and the infrastructure to support it.

Stucky
Stucky
February 1, 2018 8:57 am

Folks, I’m sorry, but I’m afraid I won’t be able to post much today, or even tomorrow.

That’s because my IQ level is approaching single digits …. which means I must concentrate all my energies on simply breathing.

This sad state of affairs is the result of reading Andrea’s posts. Nay, even seeing her name lowers my IQ, and yours, two full points.

Should this continue, by the end of the day today my IQ will be at absolute zero … Total Retardation, aka ” becoming Andrea” …. and my demise becomes final.

My IQ could Immediately be restored to it’s former glorious number of 165 if a certain someone would ban Ms. Total Retardation from these premises. So true. But, I’m not holding my breath … cuz my near total retardation won’t allow it.

I’m falling, and I can’t get up. Woe! Woe is me! Pray for me, please. Pray for yourselves lest you become like me.

I am no more. Falling. Falling. Falling into the Pit of Despair.

Auf Wiedersehen, mein Schatz.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  Stucky
February 1, 2018 4:35 pm

IQ measured in kelvin. Absolute zero IQ. Your sarcasm cheers my heart.

RiNS
RiNS
  Martin brundlefly
February 1, 2018 6:52 pm

okay I have had it with the Andrenoma Strain.

I vote to kick her off the island. This trolling is getting fucken ridiculous.

Vote up if you want her gone..

Mad as hell
Mad as hell
February 1, 2018 10:49 am

Remember Stucky, Never go full retard! Anyway, all Andrea’s folly aside (she is like comic relief now in the Kings court). What pisses me off when I read an article like that is that actual innovation is so rare these days. Can you imagine if engineers were actually permitted to solve problems again? Instead, the “problems” that are concentrated on now is: Facebook engineers figuring out how to bring FACEBOOK via gliders to third world countries. Really? Maybe we should figure out how to build water treatment plants, and how to make them self sufficient so they can feed themselves first. Oh, and lets not forget all of the billions that are spent every year (at least the last couple of years) to make faster – wait for it – Bitcoin miners. You know, so we can keep producing more Tulips for the new “economy”. When I look at what humans spend their time and resources on now, if those Aliens (that likely Andrea knows personally) have any new tech, they probably have figured out long ago, we are FAR too stupid to ever use it wisely anyway, so why bother…. Good on Mazda for still believing innovation matters.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  Mad as hell
February 1, 2018 4:37 pm

Nothing beats coal fired money. More electricity used in a year mining one coin than i use all year to power my home. Where i live.

Desertrat
Desertrat
February 1, 2018 10:54 am

The Andreas of this world strongly disagree with “TANSTAAFL”. They continue to believe in free lunches.

It was shown in Chem 101 (for me, 1951) that it take more energy to produce hydrogen than hydrogen contains. And, since hydrogen atoms are much smaller than any other atoms, there can be no long-term storage.

Some ten or fifteen years ago, a Canadian company produced a fuel-cell car which used hydrogen. After testing, they gave up. Not economically feasible. It had the power, okay, but refueling was economically impossible.

TANATAAFL.

Nathan Bedford Quantrell
Nathan Bedford Quantrell
February 1, 2018 11:07 am

Andrea is trolling you folks, and doing it quite successfully. No one could be as stupid or as crazy as she pretends to be and still express herself as clearly as she does in her writing.

I also have reservations about what the DSSA establishment is doing, but they realize that no one gives two shits what I think, so they don’t bother coming out to search my house when I am gone off to work or one of my foolish trips to buy junk I don’t really need.

Ever read anything from a real leftist, or other wacko? I can read a paragraph in one of their writings, a paragraph filled with legitimate English words, big words, read it about 15 times, but still not have any clue what the writer is trying to communicate. Now, I grant you that I am not a genius, but I do have enough intelligence that I was able to obtain a bachelor degree in engineering from an accredited school. I still can not understand what most leftists with “studies” degrees are trying to communicate.

Andrea, I can understand. Don’t agree with her, but I do clearly understand the faulty positions she is pretending to espouse.

GRAVELMAN
GRAVELMAN
February 1, 2018 11:16 am

Andrea Iravani of CNN news ??
….where facts JUST dont matter…
Cause we “MAKE UP THE NEWS”
BTW; Have you been sucking Eshlong Musk’s tail pipe ?? anyway…
To those blowing smoke up our tail pipe;
H’s by product is —-wait for IT

Water —-wana-waaaaaa….
being over half of the states have a
CLIMATE CHANGE ever year,
the water froze plugging the exhaust of said Flux capacitor…
small detail to the libchits wet dreams…

THAT why there are NO H cars…maybe in Brazil it’ll work …not here

Andrea Iravani
Andrea Iravani
  GRAVELMAN
February 2, 2018 3:43 am

Gravelman – Haha. Im guessing that you must be with CNN. They, MSNBC and Fox news would never do anything to upset the Rockefellers or the MIC! When Johnny comes home in a body bag Hurah hurah! You are worse than they are actually. Why don’t you start bashing Russia too while youre at it, you amoral scumbag?! I’m right on all of this. I doubt that anyone is idiotic enough to fall for your fucking bullshit. Maybe you should move to CNN and post there.

I’ve had it with the fucking trolling fossil fuel lying scumbags in full paid freak out troll mode. They must be completely desperate. OBVIOUSLY!!! Too bad that they can’t find any scientifically literate person!

Oilman2
Oilman2
February 1, 2018 1:38 pm

My Percheron (Biskit) eats grass and poops fertilizer and methane while excreting urea fertilizer, WHILE pulling the wagon to town. When he dies, he will feed my dogs and make gelatin and glue and leather – all from eating grass while pooping fertilizer and methane.

Where the fuck is MY award??

wdg
wdg
February 1, 2018 5:42 pm

“It does not matter how “clean” – or fuel-efficient – Mazda (or any other car company) manages to make an engine. It will never be “clean” – or “efficient” – enough. Because the government is determined to get us out of cars that work – and which we can afford – and into cars that don’t work and which we can’t afford.”

The above quote is what is important. This was never about car efficiency, pollution or that clean, odorless gas that drives photosynthesis and sustains all of us – carbon dioxide. This was always about the destruction of America, the western world and Western Civilization and global control. Environmentalism was just one tool in an arsenal of many that includes central and fractional-reserve banking, poisoning the food chain, flooding our nations with low-IQ parasites from the third-world, dumbing down educational standards, spreading propaganda and subversion with the MSM and Hollywood, promoting endless and costly wars, the destruction of marriage and family…and the list goes on and on and on. Don’t be distracted by the methods and focus on the cause of our misfortune and who exactly is behind it. A problem can only be solved by not focusing on symptoms of the problem which wastes a lot of energy but by correctly diagnosing the ultimate cause. Many at TBP do not want to consider this fact but the evidence is there for all to see except those blinded and deceived by 24/7 propaganda.