Muck’s Minute #46 Future of Mankind, Part I

Future of Mankind, Part I

My thoughts on where we’ll end up – the long view.

I am of the opinion – born of what I feel is a long, productive existence and a life that has been one extended study-hall of immense satisfaction – that unless the developed countries of this world and those people who live therein rapidly modify their priorities, we humans are doomed to be yet another Earth dweller that will sooner than later vanish in a like manner of the dinosaurs, dodos and hundreds of thousands of other species that have dominated or lived upon and disappeared from the face of this Earth.

We will very likely be extinct in a much shorter time frame than the dinosaurs because of our own extraordinary technical skills and intelligence and the equally extraordinary stupidity of our beliefs and behavior.

Dinosaurs lived for many millions of years before they just happened to be in the way of a not-so-big asteroid that put 99% of them out of business along with about 90% of all life on Earth and in its seas. I feel it will not be long, by any measure of time, much less cosmically speaking, before the last poisoned or diseased band of nomadic humans fall, one at a time; until the last man, woman or child dies.

That lonely, painful and pitiful ending of the human race will occur on this Earth relatively soon, almost no matter what we do. How sad it is.

As long as mankind relies more on superstition, wishful thinking and short term selfish personal gain than fact and science and an awareness of species survival, humans are simply dead and don’t know it yet. Unfortunately, capitalism is too successful at generating wealth and growth and scientific progress than it is at focusing on the long term survival requirements of those who make capitalism work.

I think John Maynard Keynes statement that “In the long term we are all dead.”, should be interpreted in a different way than he intended.

There are several areas where general modification of human behavior is required sooner than later to merely slow down the death of the human race. Not keep us alive here on Earth, you understand, but to slow down the process of killing ourselves while we can take action to prevent racial extinction.

First on the list of things to try and slow down is that infamous bugaboo “global warming”.

The subject of global warming is guaranteed to either bring yawns from those who have heard the arguments before and are bored to tears by the mention of it or screams from those who are passionate in their desire to have us all ride horses (which produce methane – another greenhouse gas) or walk everywhere we go and burn supper over a renewable energy source. It seems that the subject is too big for consensus by those knowledgeable enough to study at the data – much less achieve any understanding by the great masses of people in the world who are not literate nor think with any critical ability and rely on “god” or “government” to do their thinking for them and to determine their fate.

Scientists have proven (and I personally know for a fact – which I will get into later) that global warming is a reality. What is happening is not in question. Why it is happening is being debated (to death) and is of no consequence..

From temperature records recovered from Arctic and Antarctic ice cores, tree rings, ocean bottom cores, permafrost and other sources, science has proved beyond any doubt whatsoever that the current warming trend we are experiencing is not unique in our Earth’s experience. Earth has heated up and cooled off relatively rapidly many times before, the last ice age terminating a mere 11,000 years ago – less than a blink of the eye as far as geological time is concerned. Barely time, in fact, for the ice to melt from between the toes of the last Neanderthal (which was another failed experiment on the branching tree of evolution).

Science has also proven that at least a partial reason why our atmosphere and oceans are heating up this time is because human beings are burning fossil fuels at a furious rate.

Those fossil fuels have accumulated in the Earth’s crust over thousands of millennia. It took millions and millions of years for natural evolution, climate change, decay and huge pressures to form and store these hydrocarbon deposits. We are burning them up millions of times faster that it took to create and store them in the first place.

Fossil fuels are literally giant storehouses of carbon which is a component of hydrocarbon fuels that results in carbon dioxides and monoxides when it’s burned. These hydrocarbons are locked into safe forms such as carbonates in rock and soil and sea bottom, oil and natural gas, methane in solid deposits on the floor of the oceans and they were all placed there by natural processes that happen to lock up the carbon far from Earth’ surface in such a way that it can’t cause trouble. Too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (along with other more esoteric gasses both naturally occurring and of human creation) and we get the overused and abused “greenhouse effect”. More solar energy is absorbed by the atmosphere and sea than can be radiated back into space.  When water absorbs carbon dioxide, it turns acidic which, in turns, makes the ocean habitat unlivable for aquatic creatures.

It is also a demonstrable fact that in the past, rising temperatures of the Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are very capable of tipping Earth’ climate into a cooling phase that will eventually end up with an ice age. This transition into a cold phase can happen in as small a span of time as a decade.

The observable fact that Earth atmosphere and ecology is a dynamic one, versus a static one, makes it very probable (barring the poisoning of those organisms that transform carbon dioxide into oxygen) that we will never attain or even approach the status now existing on Venus. Venus is an example of a static environment and the “greenhouse” effect taken to extremes but it is very likely that Venus also never had the ecological opportunities of a closed oxygen/carbon cycle in the first place.

Mars may have had such a cycle millions of years ago. We know there are vast quantities of water ice mere feet below the surface of Mars and at the poles and it had to come from somewhere. Methane has been detected in the atmosphere – and methane must be renewed in some fashion or it oxidizes and  vanishes over time. Most likely this water ice came from comet impacts and other infall from space over time (as it did on Earth) and was possibly (though not proven) maintained by an oxygen/carbon cycle such as we have. Over time, the cycle was broken and the atmosphere leaked away into space.

However, on Earth, should those organisms that convert carbon dioxide to oxygen fail in their job, the ever greater buildup of carbon dioxide would indeed turn the Earth into a static, blistering no-life world.

End Part I

Author: MuckAbout

Retired Engineer and Scientist (electronic, optics, mechanical) lives in a pleasant retirement community in Central Florida. He is interested in almost everything and comments on most of it. A pragmatic libertarian at heart he welcomes comments on all that he writes.

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Jack Lovett
Jack Lovett
February 11, 2018 6:07 pm

Lots of smelly BS in this artical. Anyone who belives in global warming,vacines and such,needs a brain transplant. We are near to an ice age. Al gore POS take a hike.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Jack Lovett
February 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Quack quack…what drives climate are orbital changes, density of galactic cosmic rays which create clouds, changes in the intensity of the Sun’s magnetic field, and the Earth’s magnetic field, sunspot cycles wax and wane, and water vapor. The pattern in the climate past has been that CO2 increases hundreds of years AFTER warming, not before warming. Anyway, if you want to learn something about the actual science of climate, http://euanmearns.com/cosmic-rays-magnetic-fields-and-climate-change/http://euanmearns.com/the-death-of-sunspot-cycle-24-huge-snow-and-record-cold/

Rise Up
Rise Up
  pyrrhus
February 11, 2018 11:53 pm

pyrrhus= “Da winner!” ding ding ding !!!

Jack Lovett is also correct–a cooling trend is here for the next 15-20 years.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Rise Up
February 11, 2018 11:57 pm

“Science has also proven that at least a partial reason why our atmosphere and oceans are heating up this time is because human beings are burning fossil fuels at a furious rate.” -Muck

And it’s now revealed that the IPCC and NOAA have fudged the data. So it’s all tainted now. No way to know the truth.

Undersea volcanoes are heating up the oceans.

“Science” hasn’t proven shit.
They’ve lied to us.
Lying isn’t proof.

Mad as hell
Mad as hell
  pyrrhus
February 12, 2018 10:46 am

Well, and Mars lost its atmosphere due to it not having the same type of convection of its mantle, which causes a magnetic field. Mars atmosphere did not “boil away” it was stripped off the planet due to the solar wind. Earth has a magnetic field that redirects the solar wind to the poles (northern lights) and keeps the solar winds from breaking down the atmosphere. No global warming / cooling will effect that. Saying that us humans can effect the atmosphere of Earth to the point of Venus, is like saying that if I take a speaker magnet and hold it up, I will change the polarity of the Earth’s magnetic field. We humans are simply too small to effect this planet in a profound way. Look at a night time map, and the amount of dark regions of Earth, vs. lights. We occupy MAYBE 10% of the totality of the planet. The only thing we could do to remake the planet, would be to all launch nuclear ICBM’s at the same time. Then WE have a problem, not the Earth. It will correct in a few 1000 years, maybe less.
The Earth has 100,000 year climate cycles. It is a natural state of things. Just because our reference and basis for time is compressed vs. geological time spans, does not mean those cycles stop. I suspect that if the Earth sneezed, it would have no problem “correcting” any small damage we have done to it pretty quickly. Maybe it is that “sneeze” that will make us extinct.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jack Lovett
February 12, 2018 10:08 am

The influx of morans from ZH is astounding. I guess Tyler is purging the non-hackers. Wonder where they got the idea this is a safe space?

Global warming is not a religion, you idiot. While it is a political football where people take sides on the issue, it is also a scientific matter that needs to be studied. If Muck says the earth is retaining solar heat due to the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide from human causes, which part of it do you not understand? I would like to see somebody standing outside the WH with a sign: Its the hydrocarbons, stupid. That might get some attention.

And Mucky did not get into the part about carbon released by melting arctic ice. The politicos make it all sound so convenient; we can now go vacation in the arctic circle. The Zero Hedge morans buy it lock, stock and barrel. Use some brains, morans! Read the article slowly, sound out the words if you have to. Global warming is real, it’s a happening thing, baby. It all starts slowly at first and then accelerates like an avalanche.

Jouska
Jouska
  Anonymous
February 13, 2018 12:18 am

You won’t change the minds of the people that visit this website. The brain is just a biological machine that has the capability to learn. It is a best guess machine. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter what reality is, just what your brain was taught. I was watching a neural scientist on Ted the other day and his premise was that conscousness was just a sequence of halucinations created by the inputs (smell, sight, …) and mixed with what you have stored away as learned stuff. His statement “Reality is when your halucinations match up with others”, resonates with me because I have been studing neural networks for the last thirty years. It also resonates with me because it explains how so many people can be wrong and think they are right. Of course the big question is “Who is right?”. Answer: Me, anon, and Muck. The rest of you are badly programmed biological machines, and douchebags I might add.

mike
mike
February 11, 2018 6:08 pm

“… and the equally extraordinary stupidity of our beliefs and behavior.”
Perhaps you are confusing us with the chattering classes and their / our owners?

sofa
sofa
February 11, 2018 6:17 pm

Scientists have proven that weather data was (and is still being) fabricated.
More and more fabrication is revealed every day, as actual scientists attempt to restore the raw data record.

Sad, how the “religion of socialism” became a leech unto so many aspects of modern societies. Just another virus we must stomp out if the civilization (and the species) hopes to survive.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
  sofa
February 11, 2018 6:52 pm

Not to mention that in geologic time and temp were are below the average, mean, middle, no matter what you want to call it for both temp and co2. Fake bullshit ass article loaded with nonsense and fearmongering. Remember, climate change was global warming before they noticed the lack of warming. Warming which this article states is unequivically happening.

Jimmy Torpedo
Jimmy Torpedo
  Martin brundlefly
February 13, 2018 8:38 am

BUT, ..But, He said ‘science’ proved it!
I cannot argue with that proof.

If you wrestle with a pig, you will get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.

Wolverine
Wolverine
February 11, 2018 6:19 pm

Need not bother with parts II on.

“Science has also proven that at least a partial reason why our atmosphere and oceans are heating up this time is because human beings are burning fossil fuels at a furious rate.”

I for one am sick to fucking death of these bullshit claims. It is not the burning of fossil fuels that will kill mankind but rather the lack of them. In 10 to 30 years there will be no usable fossil fuels left for man to plunder and the bulk, around 5 to 6 billion people, will die. If we are lucky and actually manage to raise the earths temperature by 2 degrees Fahrenheit, then large areas of the 45 degrees north real estate may be more productive and those fortunate enough to have survived the chaos may even have a chance prosper. That is, if they can breed and ride horses, plow fields with a team, know how to dig a well and a few hundred more skills no one teaches any more.

Truth be told, we are entering a time of earths cooling which will make it all the harder on those that survive the coming collapse.

.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Wolverine
February 11, 2018 7:31 pm

The term “fossil fuel” was coined in the 1950s when not much was known about the nature of naturally-occurring hydrocarbon products. Environmentalists have used this misconception about naturally occurring oil to their advantage; hence, the now-discredited concept of “peak oil”.
Oil is abiotic in nature, being produced deep within the earth by yet-unknown processes. Russian oil interests have been drilling deep wells, as much as 30,000 feet deep and coming up with oil deposits–far deeper than that of decayed plant and animal materials.
It turns that many of our depleted oil wells are “filling back up”; oil is migrating from deep within the earth, upward to many of our present drilling sites.
There are certain interests that do not want to see oil as a plentiful, renewable natural resource–FOLLOW THE MONEY…

Wolverine
Wolverine
  anarchyst
February 11, 2018 8:35 pm

Anarcyst,

And I am sure you believe in the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny. I have neither the inclination or time to educate you on why what you say is beyond stupid.

Follow the Money – Why do you think the Saudis are selling Aramco? Is it because their vast reserves are re-filling with abiotic oil so they can prop up their economy and keep selling the world oil that they produce for $20/bbl?

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Wolverine
February 12, 2018 10:51 am

Your name-calling exposes you as a mental midget. Oil deposits are found much deeper than that of decaying dinosaurs and decaying plants. YOU are the one with the problem.

Stucky
Stucky
  anarchyst
February 12, 2018 11:21 am

How come Austria doesn’t have oil?

You mean over the course of 200+ million years a little group of dinosaurs couldn’t die there and give Austria a little fucken oil??

Same with the rest of Europe. Somehow Dino’s didn’t wanna live there.

Except in the North Sea. Must of been a shitload of Swimming Dinosaurs back then.

Card802
Card802
  Stucky
February 12, 2018 11:35 am

Dinosaur bones are found regularly in Alaska. Did they like the snow and ice? Lot’s of oil there.

Plate tectonics, they’re still moving and along the way will push up more mountains, destroy the Mediterranean, Africa is going to smash into Europe, Australia is heading north to merge with Asia as it is slowly sinking. The Atlantic Ocean will probably widen for a spell before it reverses course and later disappears.

Just give it another 250 million years or so. We’ve been around a couple hundred thousand years out of 4.5 Billion.
One way I’ve read it is to spread your arms, that’s the time line of the earth, your fingernail is how long all life has been around, use a nail file on that nail, the dust is the time modern man has been around.

Jouska
Jouska
  Stucky
February 13, 2018 12:34 am

You Austrians! Most of the hydrocarbons come from plant matter, not Dinosaurs.

Stucky
Stucky
  Jouska
February 13, 2018 9:25 am

Ok.

That only begs the question ….. we’re there no plants in Austria, or Europe, for 200+ million years?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anarchyst
February 12, 2018 12:26 pm

Isn’t calling somebody a mental midget a form of name-calling?

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Anonymous
February 12, 2018 3:37 pm

No, it’s a response to an obviously unintelligent person who cannot or will not form a counter-argument to my statement.
Regards,

Jouska
Jouska
  anarchyst
February 13, 2018 12:43 am

No anarchyst, you are wrong. One russian research scientist made the claims of abiotic oil. He has been disproved many times. The reason sometimes more oil shows up after the well has been dry is that oil is dripping from the porous rock above it or perculating up from below from the pressure difference. There are many books on the subject of oil, oil depletion, and so on. Read one.

jammer
jammer
  anarchyst
February 12, 2018 10:44 am

Actually Anarchyst, you have a valid point. I don’t know about this re-filling of oil wells here on earth business. But just ask those folks who continue to use the “fossil fuel” meme about all those dinosaurs and plants and fossil-generating life that (according to them) must have been on Titan at one time. I mean, how else to explain all those methane seas and various other hydrocarbons to be found in such abundance there, at some 100 or so Kelvins.

Mark
Mark
  Wolverine
February 11, 2018 10:58 pm

Wolverine is howling a righteous warning…

Cold Times

Dark Winter

Jouska
Jouska
  Wolverine
February 13, 2018 12:32 am

What makes you so smart and intuitive? Are you a scientist? Are you an engineer? How did you come to your opinion? Can you rationalize it?

Your not, no, no, fox news, no

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
February 11, 2018 6:25 pm

“Science has also proven that at least a partial reason why our atmosphere and oceans are heating up this time is because human beings are burning fossil fuels at a furious rate.”

Please provide the proof of your statement.

I hope everyone knows that Natural processes account for 96% of CO2 in our atmosphere. So, assuming the CO2 Magic Molecule pending Armageddon is real, why go after the 4%? I would attack the 96%.

IOW’s, if a fire started in your kitchen while cooking and your laundry Dryer buzzer goes off, you would go get the clothes out of the Dryer. I would put out the fire.

Also, the Grace satellite has proven that any excess heat in the atmosphere gets expelled to outer space.

Jimmy Torpedo
Jimmy Torpedo

DOWN WITH VOLCANOES!!
Plug ’em up!

MN Steel
MN Steel
February 11, 2018 6:28 pm

Is there a more likely culprit in global warming/ice age cycles?

Perhaps the very large thermonuclear object in the center of the (hint hint) Solar System, which as we speak is cycling down to a low period?

Perhaps the reason that the shekel-grubbers-that-be can’t even fake rising temps anymore, or explain away the ice buildups at the poles?

As to oil, when the Black Gold gets too expensive to drive with, it’ll still be used for it’s primary purpose, lubricant, and IC engines can run on a variety of fuel, including wood.

That, and having a few billion less people on the planet (r/k selection in action) will have a huge impact on demand from a bunch of wealthy low-IQ desert people, and we can finally explore the universe.

Joe
Joe
February 11, 2018 6:31 pm

I agree with these guys, gw is a bunch of baloney. I know I could have used a better sentence enhancer because this forum expects it, but when you are commenting on something someone believes is true much more than the people selling it, slack is required.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Joe
February 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Fuck the slack

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
February 11, 2018 6:33 pm

[img]https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html[/img]

BL
BL
February 11, 2018 6:33 pm

Muck
We will be lucky if we don’t freeze friggin’ to death in the future, best thing for us would be to learn to tango and move to Argentina. 🙂

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  BL
February 11, 2018 6:39 pm

BL…….I watched it and no nipple – Argentina music sucks.

BL
BL

OK KoKo, how about Rio and we learn the Samba?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOjaXWf4gz0

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  BL
February 11, 2018 8:06 pm

Good and I just can’t understand how anybody can wear something in the crack of the butt.

BL
BL

You get used to it pretty quick. I wear a t-strap when I work in my yard, it’s actually quite comfortable. And the neighbors wives stare. I was always a speedo guy anyway, so it’s not that big of a change

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  BL
February 11, 2018 8:41 pm

The dopples are out.

BL
BL
  BL
February 11, 2018 8:49 pm

Star- Are you gonna start again? There will be pain banjo boy. 🙂

Doppler at 8:34pm…….

Grog
Grog
  BL
February 12, 2018 10:43 am

There must be a lot of genes for steatopygia floating around in Brazil.

Stucky
Stucky
February 11, 2018 6:37 pm

Muck

As you may have surmised even from these few (so far) comments, you are gonna catch HELL regarding your global warming stance. I know you have thick skin. ,But, you might consider wearing a helmet and flak jacket.

I disagree with your position on science. Indeed, science can/has/will solve LOTS of technical problems.

But, IMHO, mankind’s great issues are not technical. It’s a matter of a corrupt and black heart. (I know you won’t agree/like that comment. ?)

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
February 11, 2018 6:40 pm

Also, science changes their opinion a lot. That’s GOOD if it’s based on newer and better data.

But, what if it’s not? What if it’s all politically motivated?

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Grog
Grog
  Stucky
February 12, 2018 10:49 am

“corrupt and black heart.”
also known as a ‘blackguard’
pronounced: bla-gard
“The sense ‘scoundrel, villain’ dates from the mid 18th century, and was formerly considered highly offensive.”
Still is highly offensive, IMO

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 11, 2018 6:51 pm

do the math, by volume of average gas tank size,tanks burned since 1903, we have burned up the volume of the earth in gasoline by 1960,,, go figure

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Anonymous
February 11, 2018 8:25 pm

What the fuck?

Oil comes out of the earth. Then it is distilled to get gasoline. A wee bit over half of crude oil becomes gasoline.

You are therefore saying that we have extracted the volume of two earths’ worth of crude oil. Yet I can’t help but notice that the earth is still here.

“do the math…”

Apparently, you didn’t.

starfcker
starfcker
February 11, 2018 6:55 pm

People without a religion, have to believe in something

i forget
i forget
  starfcker
February 12, 2018 7:58 pm

A dull axiom is a dangerous tool. A sharp one can be dangerous, too. Believe it, or not, Ripley: either can, & both do, cut arguments, & bodies, up.

Maybe axioms to grind, personal projections camouflaged in generalization, are felt to be safety axioms? Despite the ongoing resort to torn bits of tissue & styptic pencils, & sutures.

Glasgow smile

comment image

Belief matters…when it trespasses.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
February 11, 2018 6:56 pm

I bet you fell for the Ozone Hole scare (not a hole, just a thinning of the layer).

It is all about the money.
Check out Dupont and the 50 year patent they got in late 1940’s. Gulp, what are we going to do, our patent is going kaput.
I know, fear-mongering always works on the dimwit public; all we have to do is get some paid off scientist to write about the coming Ice age, er, Global Warming, er, Ozone Hole thinning caused by R-14. Luckily, we have already developed a new refrigerant that doesn’t cool as good as R-14 and it is damaging to the environment, but look at the future profits.
I smell more stock options. Yippity Do Dah

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
February 11, 2018 7:27 pm

In two billion years time, it won’t make any difference…….
The sun will have exhausted it’s fuel, and go nova…..
Unless we can figure out how to harness the sun’s power, to get off this rock and find another, our fate is pretty much sealed.

robert
robert
  Fiatman60
February 11, 2018 7:46 pm

Planet of the Apes may be our immediate future. Or oblivion if we do it right. And two billion years in the future–somehow, I can’t work up much concern. Also, serious minds think time as we know it doesn’t even exist. Search for Plank or Einstein for detail.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  robert
February 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Planck will get better results.

Grog
Grog
  robert
February 12, 2018 10:52 am

One thing I can say about Plank is that he was very constant.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Grog
February 12, 2018 11:02 pm

*rimshot*

i forget
i forget
  Fiatman60
February 12, 2018 7:59 pm

Signed, sealed, delivered. But prolly sooner than sun•ova. When that postman rings twice, & I ain’t here to hear, will it make a sound? If no, then what to make of that ‘in the beginning was the word’ business?

Nostrabigfoot: The ground will be in upheaval. Mice raised as moles surface and see Light. Many will die from astonishment. Some mice will try to adjust to their natural habitat; most will not use the Light for seeing and die from predation.
Nostrabigfoot: The ground will be in upheaval. Mice raised as moles surface and see Light. Many will die from astonishment. Some mice will try to adjust to their natural habitat; most will not use the Light for seeing and die from predation.
February 11, 2018 7:29 pm

“Muck!” Or should I say, “Bullshit!”

You know those dinosaurs? Lived for millions of years on this planet? What was the average temperature of the earth then? And once you have discovered that, maybe look up what the most common temperature of the earth has been. Hint: tropical. We should be so lucky, especially when the sun is telling us right now that an ice age is coming.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
February 11, 2018 7:36 pm

[“Whew! After a tango like that the couple ought to get married.”] R. A. Heinlein, _The Number of the Beast_ .
Like that one I just watched up above. Damn, just damn – wasted my life so far not knowing how to do that. Might have to take lessons.

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
February 11, 2018 7:58 pm

Muck, leave anything above 5th grade science alone; it is not your forte.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  RHS Jr
February 11, 2018 8:51 pm

RHS jr…………there is a lack of science in regards to CAGW, especially scientific integrity.

doug
doug
February 11, 2018 8:22 pm

Agreed. Let’s see that “proof”. i.e. Cycles happen. Pollution poisoning will kill us first. Or immigration. Or maybe we should wall off the country and learn to live on what we have. Pretty hard going.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 11, 2018 8:31 pm

the math proves crude oil is not a finite supply, can’t be or we would be out already,,

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Anonymous
February 11, 2018 8:42 pm

Let’s see it then.

Wolverine
Wolverine
  Anonymous
February 11, 2018 8:56 pm

Do they let you guys out of the asylum on Sundays? You do the math. M. King Hubert did the math in the 50s (1956) and, because he believed no one in their right mind could mine tight oil at a profit, figured we would reach peak oil in the 70s. With tight oil it added another 50 years but still no profit. Oil production changed on August 1, 2014 when oil fell below $100/bbl and debt started taking up the slack. We are beyond peak oil, the cost to produce will constantly increase and it’s utility (and affordability) will continue to decrease. The only limit now is how much debt can be employed before the whole thing collapses.

We are out of affordable oil, we just don’t know it yet.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Wolverine
February 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Wolfy I know you ain’t talking to me. One of the anonymouses (anonymi?) above made the claim that “the math” shows we have burned an earth’s worth of volume of gasoline. Which would be funny until you realize that people this fucking stupid are allowed to drive. And vote. And reproduce. And buy matches. Anyway, I digress.

While hard to pinpoint exact figures of how much oil has been extracted from Mother Earth, estimates range from 100 to 994 billion barrels. Let’s take the larger figure. 1 barrel is 0.16 cubic meters. So a total of about 159 x 10^9 cubic meters of oil.

Erf has a mean radius of 6.3781 x 10^6 meters, for a volume of 1.09 x 10^21 cubic meters.

So the oil pulled out amounts to 0.00000001463% of the earth’s volume. Cut that in half to get the percentage of gasoline.

A little bit off from the claim made above.

And yeah, the easy oil is long gone. From what I understand, a barrel’s worth of oil in energy terms got you 30 barrels 100 years ago. Today it’s 3:1.

i forget
i forget
  Rdawg the fascist
February 12, 2018 8:00 pm

How big’s the Geo Gaia gas tank?

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  i forget
February 12, 2018 11:04 pm

I guess it doesn’t matter since we’ve been assured the old wells are refilling.

If that’s true – and that is a BIG if – the $64,000 question is: at what rate?

Random Factor
Random Factor
February 11, 2018 9:08 pm

The fact that Fukushima happened has already ended life as we know it on Earth. It’s just going to take a while. As if that isn’t enough, there are dozens of similar time bombs scattered around waiting for the next earthquake, mechanical failure, or Stuxnet like virus to hit the control systems.

Anyway, have a pleasant Monday….

Wolverine
Wolverine
  Random Factor
February 11, 2018 9:15 pm

RF,

For most of them it only takes an extended power failure. Hard to find a safe space. Ultimately we will all be toast but take heart, the is life at Chernoble.

Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  Wolverine
February 11, 2018 9:19 pm

I’ve seen there’s even life at Chernobyl as well.

nkit
nkit
February 11, 2018 10:41 pm

Hang in there, Muck. Best of luck…

BB
BB
February 11, 2018 11:08 pm

Everyone that has ever been born is going to live forever .Just might not be where you planned.Who says so …. Jesus Christ and Mad dog Meathead will do the math to back it up.Right Mad Dog ?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BB
February 12, 2018 12:14 pm
Rdawg the fascist
Rdawg the fascist
  BB
February 12, 2018 11:06 pm

Beebs, you were nothing before you were born and you will be nothing when you’re dead.

Sorry, but that’s it.

NtroP
NtroP
February 11, 2018 11:32 pm

Take heart, Muck, many of your other posts were great.
You may want to Google the visionary aircraft designer Burt Rutan, and see what he has to say about global warming.
He is the one that convinced me, a long time ago, that it was a hoax.
Good luck and God bless.

Stucky
Stucky
  NtroP
February 12, 2018 5:46 am

Very nice sentiments, NtroP.

Muck About IS a very nice fellow, a long time contributor, and has written many good original articles.

Seems a few newbie type posters here are not aware of that. So, I’m not a big fan of some of the personal attacks.. But, Mucky does have thick skin …. so, hang in there Muck!!

Muck … serious question …. how has your health been??

BL
BL
  Muck About
February 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Muck – Thanks for #46, good thread, happy 80th and best wishes for many more!

Card802
Card802
February 12, 2018 7:13 am

Science knows a lot of things.

We’ve had many ice ages and many periods of warmer temps.
We’ve had periods with CO2 10+ times higher than it is today and that supported life.
The polar ice caps have been without ice longer than they’ve had ice.
Magnetic north has reversed many times.
Plate tectonics.
We have an atmosphere.
Humanoid life started and ended many times before we came along.
99% of all species are extinct. Not sure how they can make this claim because science also claims they have no idea how many undiscovered life forms there really are.

But science knows all this, they have the proof. The kicker is they don’t know the why, but we believe them anyway when they say man is now causing climate change, the magnetic north to shift, earthquakes, the ice caps to melt, and weather such as hurricanes and typhoons.

Science believes there has been five major extinction events, who are we to say there will never be a sixth? The earth has proven to be friendly towards creating life, it has also proven to be just as efficient at ending life, all the earth needs, is time.

Bilco
Bilco
February 12, 2018 8:06 am

I do love most of Muck’s articles. However this one does leave one confused. Now are we on Earth,Venus or Mars? Most critical thinking minds know.That the whole global warming nonsense is just a way to lead to a cap and trade law. This would be a way to tax every person and business in the world on their energy use. A perfect funding mechanism for a one world government. I have lived in the Adirondack Park (upstate NY) most all of my life. When I was a child to an adult. I get the same feeling when I take a deep breath of the air here. Oh and we have had 3 feet of snow here over the last 7 days. Where are those palm trees Al Gore promised would be here?

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 12, 2018 9:04 am

Ozone issue was with Freon, AKA R 12, a CFC.

R 14, AKA as Carbon Tetrafloride, poses no threat to the ozone layer, but is considered a strong greenhouse gas.

overthecliff
overthecliff
February 12, 2018 12:58 pm

Ayelen Sanchez, HOT LEGS!!

Llpoh
Llpoh
February 12, 2018 9:32 pm

You newbies need to be respectful in disagreeing with Muck. He has earned that for services rendered over a long time.

You see that this is number 46? He did not start with that number, but filled in all the previous numbers before he got to 46. You newbies that have written exactly zero original posts need to keep that in mind. Or you are likely to get ganged up on by old-timers for being disrespectful, and I doubt you would like the experience. Do not say you were not warned.

Thanks again, Muck for taking the time. I too disagree with the climate is heating thing, but you are not alone in thinking it is happening. Glad to see you post.

Wolverine
Wolverine
  Llpoh
February 12, 2018 10:01 pm

Llpoh,

Sorry, but have to call bullshit when I see it. Muck is probably a great, if somewhat confused guy. As a newbie and not an “original poster”, I came to this site and support it because I believed what mattered here was what one truly believed was the truth. That by dialogue and proffering of evidence that others might share an understanding – Not by sitting on your laurels or grandiose history. The old enfeebled hunter dies as surely as the idiot.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Wolverine
February 13, 2018 1:03 am

Wolverine – you obviously are too dense to understand respectful. Disagree all you want with Muck, but do it without the “enfeebled” bullshit. On his worst day, Muck is a giant compared to a cretin such as yourself. He has earned respect around here, and you have earned exactly nothing. He has accomplished more in his lifetime than a dullard like you can ever hope to achieve.

As I said, feel free to disagree. But keep a civilness about it. Muck has earned it, and such as you need to show some respect. You show your lack of class when you make your disrespectful comments. Muck is a giant, but you are no such.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
February 13, 2018 9:26 am

Well said, Chief Loopy!!!