Handling an AGW

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Here’s a top-shelf video of a man countering the make-up-a-law-and-enforce-it routine of an armed government worker in Florida.

The man is accosted by the AGW who (like a lot of AGWs) obviously does not like legal open carry. The AGW says he “just wants to make sure everything’s all right.” The man replies by pointing out that it is. No crime – or even “violation” of statute – has been committed and the AGW cannot explain why he has accosted the man… other than to repeat the mantra about “making sure everything’s all right.”

The AGW pesters the man with obnoxious (because none of his business) questions about where he’s headed and where he came from. The man replies – “that way” and then cuts off the AGW by stating, “I don’t answer questions” – which of course he isn’t legally obligated to answer. These questions are by their nature unfriendly. The AGW is armed and the man being questioned is therefore under duress. The AGW is attempting to suss out something which he can and will use against the man. Hence it is smart policy for the man to assert his right to not answer the AGW’s questions.

The AGW continues his mewling – but always implicitly threatening – spiel about “making sure everything’s ok.”

The man reiterates that everything is ok.

Then the AGW demands ID – which the man declines to provide, pointing out to the AGW that unless the AGW can articulate a specific crime he thinks the man has committed, he has no lawful right to accost him or demand ID – and he ought to be free to go.

The man attempts to apply reason – as well as law – to the AGW to understand.

“That guys is driving a truck,” indicating passing traffic. “Do you need to pull him over to make sure he can legally drive that truck?

In other words, the AGW would need legal cause to pull a driver over and demand ID/question him; the same principle applies generally. AGWs can’t – yet – just “detain” people for the Hell of it…

He asks the AGW whether he is free to go and if he is being detained, on what legal basis. See point above about articulating suspicion a crime has been committed.

Which the AGW – a law enforcer – cannot do.

But he continues enforcing his very own made-up laws, detaining the man contrary to the actual law (established by the court case, Terry v. Ohio – which requires AGWs to articulate suspicion of a specific crime they assert a person has committed as the necessary legal basis for detaining a person, compelling them to produce ID or subjecting them to any nonconsensual interaction whatsoever).

The back and forth continues, with the AGW repeating his mantra about “checking to make sure everything’s ok.”

The man finally turns tables around on the AGW – asking him: “How do I know you didn’t just rape someone?”

The AGW says, “you don’t.”

The man then queries the AGW about whether he should have to prove he didn’t commit a sex crime by dropping his pants and bending and submitting to a check (just to make sure everything’s ok) for evidence of semen.

Indeed.

Our man eventually just gets back on his bike, informs the AGW that unless he is being detained on the basis of articulable suspicion, then he is going to continue on his way.

And does so. Luckily, the AGW didn’t howl “stop resisting” and fill him full of 9 mm holes.

Couple of take-home points.

First, this video provides yet another example of the open contempt many – probably most – AGWs have for armed citizens, regardless of the law they swore to uphold.

These AGWs zealously enforce laws they support – “speeding,” of course but also (where it is already illegal for a mere ordinary) possession of a gun – but do all they can to not abide by the law when it runs contrary to their personal likes/dislikes. This AGW for instance almost certainly cannot wait for the day when he has legal power to not merely take away a citizen’s weapon, but cry “officer safety” and shoot him dead in the street, too.

AGWs despise armed citizens because it levels the playing field and because it waters down their prerogative – as they see it – to be the only people allowed to carry guns.

Two, there will be no legal consequences for this AGW’s abuse of the law – and of a law-abiding citizen, the incident captured on video and so beyond contestation. The AGW had no legal right to waylay the man and subjected him to an illegal detainment under duress, repeatedly refusing the man’s request to either be told what crime he was suspected of committing or be released to go about his business.

If an ordinary citizen carrying a gun accosted someone in the street in exactly this manner it would be felony assault. Why is it not at least something with a meaningful sanction attached to it when an AGW performs the same act?

This is no small thing.

AGWs – “law enforcement” – should at the very least be required to know and enforce the actual law. This includes laws which protect the rights of citizens, whether they like those laws or not. And be punished when they abuse anyone under color of the law.

But the ugly fact is there is a different standard for AGWs. A lesser standard. AGWs are free to break the law, make up law and enforce non-laws – and get away with it.

We, on the other hand, are held to a much higher standard.

Finally, this man shows how to joust with an AGW. He remains calm, deflects the AGW’s none-of-his-business questions and insists on his legal rights, while declining to obey the AGW’s made-up laws.

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starfcker
starfcker
September 22, 2018 7:15 pm

That’s Texas, not Florida. in Florida our cops don’t have to put up with shit like that. They could have pepper-sprayed that dirtbag and dropped him face first into the dirt. It really is retarded to think it’s a good idea to go through life being an asshole to cops.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  starfcker
September 22, 2018 7:49 pm

fucker you are a cunt.

James
James
  Hollywood Rob
September 22, 2018 8:08 pm

Star,I do hope you were being sarcastic/facetious what have you,believe you were.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  James
September 22, 2018 8:25 pm

Nope, he is generally a freedom-hating type.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  James
September 22, 2018 9:23 pm

James..
I hope you’re right. I like him. I’d hate to find out he means that.

Mark
Mark
  starfcker
September 22, 2018 8:41 pm

I was never one to pile on…and I actually stopped a blanket party once. (Long Story)

I have owned homes in both Texas and Florida and both are ruled by the same Constitution not the fickle finger of “Putting up with shit.”

starfcker…please explain your viewpoint? I am really curious.

Steve Anonymous
Steve Anonymous
  starfcker
September 22, 2018 8:58 pm

No, starfuckup. I attended an open carry event in Ocala Florida and the cops bothered nobody. It was a peaceful event and the cops were great. Evidently you’re confused on the law in Florida

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  starfcker
September 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Star far to many cops are assholes and you should know that .

starfcker
starfcker
  Boat Guy
September 23, 2018 3:50 am

Far too many cops are assholes, I will grant you that. I don’t hate freedom, and I’m certainly not anti-gun. I got my concealed carry the first year it was available in Florida, 1987. That’s 31 years ago. And Florida was one of the first in the nation. We basically showed the rest of the country how you do it. That said, I’m not a gun nut either. I live in an urban environment. There’s a lot of guns, and a lot of fucked-up stuff that happens with guns in my proximity. As in most things, gun ownership entails a high level of responsibility. So these little assholes that go out to provoke police with guns and videotape it are scum. Cops got a job to do. Keep people safe. When they do that, instead of the other bullshit we complain about, I’ve got no problem with them. Open carry would be a real problem for me. I would view anybody carrying a gun coming into my business as a threat, and the treatment they would get from me would be brutal, to say the least. I wouldn’t call the cops. I would defend what’s mine. No questions asked. Eric, like most liberals, is a straight anarchist. He sees any constraint on his behavior as a threat. He’s a nut job. Best he stay out in the middle of nowhere. There are places and circumstances where open carry works fine. Urban environments are not one of them. There are two sides to lots of things. I’ve always mocked the people wanting to legalize silencers. Again, that comes from a guy living in an urban environment, where they would be a disaster. I was watching a video the other day of some guys doing predator control shooting coyotes, and silencers were certainly useful in that situation. So again, there are two sides to things. My comments on the video above are based on two things. One, provocation. You go for a bike ride with a rifle slung over your shoulder asking for attention from law enforcement. Two, piss poor attitude. The guy got the attention he was seeking, and then used it to be as much of a dick as he could be. I’d have roughed him up. I’m a throwback to an earlier time when if you mouth off to somebody bigger and stronger than you, you did so at your own risk. And you didn’t complain if it went badly. I think that respect is missing in our society nowadays. I treat everybody with respect, and it pays off in spades. Very seldom do I ever have to deal with somebody being a douchebag. When I do, I remind them there could be consequences to that. I think it’s a valuable lesson, particularly when dealing with younger people. Peace guys.

sofa
sofa
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 5:35 am

“…asking for attention from law enforcement.”

seems that you have accepted your subservience to your chosen slave masters.

“… go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
– Samuel Adams

remember, about 1/3rd stayed loyal to the crown, and more served in redcoats than as patriots during Rev War.

make note- starffckr is a loyal and subservient boot licker to “authoritay”. and he declares how he wants to teach a lesson to those who follow the constitution (probably by being a snitch for his favorite bullies).
noted.

starfcker
starfcker
  sofa
September 23, 2018 6:16 am

I’m probably the least subservient person you have ever had the honor of addressing.

sofa
sofa
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 8:47 am

starfckr’s dreams of initiating violence against those who follow the constitution- identifies him as a domestic enemy, a traitor, and a boot licker.
and impotent: because he’s seen open carry, but did not act out as his boastful speech promises he would.

Snowman
Snowman
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 8:26 am

WHy do people call “suppressors” “silencers”. Thats a Hollywood made up term of complete bullshit for people that know zero about guns or suppressors. Even a subsonic .22 round with a silencer IS NOT SILENCED! It sounds as loud as a bb gun …..which can be heard over 100 yards away! As well as much noise from say an AR15 style semi automatic…..all that metal/mechanical movement makes a helluva lot of noise when it rechambers another round as well! People act like these things are sooooo quite that it makes a knats fart sound like tnt going off. People think you can sneak up on someone snipe them with a “silencer” while their friend sits next to them and heard nothing…..omg how stupid people are….wow. Destroy this bullshit narrative, please.

starfcker
starfcker
  Snowman
September 23, 2018 12:53 pm

No need. A silencer is not a firearm. It is an attachment. A toy if you will. Therefore, not something covered by the Second Amendment. The case on whether to legalize them or not will have to be made on the merits, not constitutional issues

MN Steel
MN Steel
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 6:17 pm

I like to shoot, and I also like my hearing.

So do the neighbors, who occasionally like to play music I can almost make out the words THROUGH MY CLOSED WINDOWS, WHICH PISSES OFF MY DOGS.

I would prefer a toy which rightfully costs $10 in parts, keeps my hearing safe and general comfort level of the neighborhood in check, much like the volume knob on a goddamn stereo.

But, no, shitheels that watch too many movies and TV shows are too afraid of a length of pipe with baffles to think rationally on this, as well as most everything else.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 10:06 am

bullets are not firearms either–

Shark
Shark
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 3:27 pm

* Sigh * You could not be more of a bloviating knucklehead. Suppressors are entirely legal to own under federal law, and many states (including mine). Maybe look on the ATF website before you pull more nonsense out of your nether region?

MN Steel
MN Steel
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Guns and protection for me but not for thee…

Spoken like a true Citiot…

“I have guns, but anybody else having them scares me! My name is Fudd!”

Shark
Shark
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 3:27 pm

“I’ve always mocked the people wanting to legalize silencers. Again, that comes from a guy living in an urban environment, where they would be a disaster.”

Silencers (actually suppressors, to be more accurate) are already legal to possess under federal law, and in many states (including mine, Virginia). In fact, I plan to buy one when I can accumulates sufficient lucre, hopefully next year). It’ll cost me a $200 ATF tax “stamp” plus the cost of the suppressor – – and a proper threaded barrel for my firearm(s).
Clearly, it has been a disaster, based upon the huge increased in the misuse of suppressors in killings…oh, wait…no, it hasn’t.
Perhaps you should apologize to some of those people you have mistakenly mocked in the past.

Shark
Shark
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 3:30 pm

“I’d have roughed him up. I’m a throwback to an earlier time when if you mouth off to somebody bigger and stronger than you, you did so at your own risk.”

And THAT tells us all we need to know about you. Apparently the First Amendment only applied to the stronger in your world, eh? Of course, that’s back when the prosecutors and the courts would cover a cop’s misdeeds, brutality and corruption. Gee, the good old days… /s

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
September 22, 2018 8:31 pm

THIS is what a police state looks like. Amerika – freedom was nice once.

cz
cz
September 22, 2018 9:38 pm

based on the dialog i’d say the bicyclist has the cop beat by at least 50 iq points

Subwo
Subwo
  cz
September 22, 2018 10:19 pm

Cops are not hired for their smarts, only smart enough to obay orders and enforce laws. Too smart and you won’t be hired as a cop.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
September 22, 2018 11:50 pm

Sadly far to many cops are just Badge wearing minions with minimal knowledge of their real authority and the limits on that authority . The other sad point is one asshole cop will quickly become 3 asshole cops covering each other regardless of the lies perpetrated by asshole number one .
Good cops do not cover for badge wearing assholes and when they do they too become worthless .
We need good law enforcement people with true understanding of the individuals rights as outlined in the bill of rights and the US constitution . They also need a better understanding of when deadly force is justified not use it and then invent justification in the classic CYA maneuver !
There are far to many police in this country that would have given this bike rider a severe hard way to go requiring dental work in the end !

nkit
nkit
September 23, 2018 12:48 am

AGWs?..probably millions of those fucks. Not just uniformed fucks..

Free Speech Forum
Free Speech Forum
September 23, 2018 12:48 am

Americans scream that people should be moral and obey the law, but then they shrug when told that Trump broke the law when he cheated on his wife by illegally using a prostitute.

WTF?

credit
credit
  Free Speech Forum
September 23, 2018 10:13 am

cheating on your wife is not illegal, and that slut, to my understanding, did not charge money for banging the pre-President, dumbass.

Steve Anonymous
Steve Anonymous
  Free Speech Forum
September 23, 2018 6:26 pm

Ahhh, what’s the statute Trump violated?

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 23, 2018 6:09 am

If this is in Florida, we don’t allow open carry except to transport to and from gun related fun.

Steve Anonymous
Steve Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Anon,
I went to an open carry event in Ocala. There was one in Tallahassee also. FYI

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
September 23, 2018 6:55 am

As a felon I had to give up my 20 or so firearms so I do not have to concern myself with the practicality of this. However to give balance to this discussion how would commenters feel if the guy was a thug rat looking man with heavy pigmentation? Or perhaps a kaftan wearing bearded raghead? Or if he was walking? Close to a school function or church gathering?

I did appreciate the biker’s logic and calmness, and that the cop seemed somewhat reasonable.

SNOWMan
SNOWMan
  KeyserSusie
September 23, 2018 8:41 am

Keysersusie, those people in which you refer, have special privilege, and cannot under any circumstances be detained, or questioned because doing so will cause the agw’s sister (the msm) to go all batshit crazy and their cousin (attorneys general) to file civil rights violations lawsuits costing said agw’s department and the local city millions of tax payers dollars for questioning/infringing on said heavy pigmentation human. But, if you see a less fortunate/lacking pigmentation human (ie, white male) at lunch with his 8 year old daughter praying before the meal while open carrying, then go ahead, shoot first ask questions later and the msm will spin that shit perfect fer ya and the agw’s will give you a heros key to the city! And all the sjw shemales and (sjslb) skinny jean soy latte boys will be your groupies, offering themselves to you anywhere, anytime….thats todays reality. You have heard of “driving while black” now its “breathing while white” that gets you killed.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  SNOWMan
September 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Snow Man.
You are guilty of whiteism.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  KeyserSusie
September 23, 2018 4:47 pm

Susie..
I wouldn’t think any differently unless he stopped when he got near me and looked at me like I was lunch. I carry several forms of punk repellent and do not have a permit for any of them out of cussedness. 2 of the repellents are cheap guns that I can throw in a storm drain as I calmly walk away.

ragman
ragman
September 23, 2018 9:01 am

In Florida, Citizens are “allowed’ to open carry when hunting, fishing, or camping. That’s it and there is a lot of inaccurate info here. It’s really retarded to think that our costumed revenue collectors will get away with this shit forever. Remember the incident earlier this year when a bunch of guys were fishing on Miami Beach, and yes some were open carrying? A copfuk showed up and was a real fucking asshole to them because he didn’t know the law. And this is not an isolated incident. Happens all over the country. Totally unacceptable that a dumbass that has the “authority” to take a person’s liberty and/or life doesn’t even know what the fucking rules are! Believe me, Citizens will not put up with this shit forever and I wouldn’t want to be a copfuk when they decide that they’ve had enough.

Ten Year Lurker
Ten Year Lurker
September 23, 2018 10:10 am

It’s obvious this guy was trolling…..3 cameras on the bike. a rifle slung across your back and you cite Terry vs. Ohio out of the blue? Soooo, you’re just out for a little exercise, right? Ummm…yeah, ok. And he seems incredulous that anyone would call the cops for seeing a person pedaling down the street with a weapon on his back, especially in a city setting. That makes him more fucking stupid than the stupidest of cops if he really didn’t expect someone to call the popo on him.

While I don’t agree that he should have been pepper sprayed and roughed up, as he was allegedly not breaking any laws, if you’re riding a bike down the street with a rifle on your back, in this day and age, you are most certainly just asking for trouble…and not just from the cops.

James
James
  Ten Year Lurker
September 23, 2018 10:55 am

Star,the actual states that showed you how to do it in regards to firearms was Alaska and strangely enough Vt.,i.e.,you want to carry a gun,you got one,carry it,no permits ect.Thankfully many other states are now following this example of the birth right to defend yourself that was re-affirmed by the 2nd in Bill Of Rights.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  James
September 23, 2018 11:03 am

Arizona did it 2 years ago.

starfcker
starfcker
  James
September 23, 2018 3:38 pm

James, I don’t have a problem with birthright carry. I don’t have a problem with the system the way it is now. I like the idea that a law-abiding citizen can carry a concealed firearm for personal protection and the protection of those around. And I like that anyway it comes. Alaska in Vermont have almost no population. Florida has some dense urban areas, and I believe the third or fourth largest population in the country. And our self defense laws are quite sensible to go along with concealed carry. It’s a system that has worked well, and showed it could be done

James
James
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 3:52 pm

I on the other hand have a huge problem with others,especially govt. deciding if I need a “permission slip” for a birth right. This is a huge issue as it seems in many ways this country can/will have a shtf issue due to politics/econony a combination of both ect.

starfcker
starfcker
  James
September 23, 2018 5:27 pm

James, don’t look at it as permission. My position is, a law-abiding citizen should be allowed to carry a firearm for personal protection and the protection of those around him. Concealed carry permit simply means you have been vetted and found to be a law-abiding citizen. It’s for convenience as much as anything else. Cop sees your driver’s license and your permit, you’re on your way. Don’t need to bother you any further. So how you couch things is important to the debate. and like I said, if it went the other way, I’d be fine with that too.

sofa
sofa
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 4:16 pm

the basis of any Law, post Lincoln, is “shall not be infringed”. or we are wthout the rule of law (wrol), and it’s just bullies with guns for hire trying to enslave their serfs. which is the current dangerous, and geographically arbitrary, failed non-system.

starfcker keeps encouraging wrol and the initiation of violence unto people who know the Law, people he dreams of “teaching a lesson” to, because “they ask for it” by being free.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  sofa
September 23, 2018 4:55 pm

Sofa…
Mall Cops with a licence to kill. Scary thing but we are kept in line by goon squads with the authority to steal our possessions and kill us for resisting.

starfcker
starfcker
  sofa
September 23, 2018 5:29 pm

“starfcker keeps encouraging wrol and the initiation of violence unto people who know the Law, people he dreams of “teaching a lesson” to, because “they ask for it” by being free.” Not true. I just hate douchebags.

Dick Jones
Dick Jones
  starfcker
September 23, 2018 9:49 pm

Then you must seriously hate yourself, don’t you?

TampaRed
TampaRed
September 23, 2018 10:48 pm

this is a video of an incident that occurred in miami a few months ago,memorial day weekend if i remember correctly–
these cops blatantly broke the law but it’s likely that nothing will happen to them–
these guys from florida carry have rallies around the state to secure our rights–
a right not enforced is a right that does not exist–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
September 23, 2018 11:13 pm

Paul Bart’s with a license to kill.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
September 23, 2018 11:29 pm

listen to the tape–
while nothing criminal will happen to the cops,i suspect miami beach taxpayers will pay thru the nose-
the guy repeatedly tries to get them to read his paper that showed the law,and also constantly asked for medical help–

changing the subject flea–i briefly went on google to look for positives about n korea–i didn’t see any that were not approved by the nk govt–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
September 24, 2018 12:46 am

Tampa …
Yesterday you said you believe the Govt. Version of 911 completely, including Bldg 7. What could I possibly show you about N.K that you would even read, let alone believe. You didn’t watch the videos Farmer recommended.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
September 24, 2018 8:20 am

baggs,
i never mentioned anything about 9/11,i rarely talk about it here–i will say that i am disinclined to believe that our govt would have committed the events of 9/11–
can n korea’s citizens leave the country if they desire to?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Fleabaggs
September 24, 2018 1:53 pm

Tampa Red.
POSITIVE ARTICLES ABOUT N. KOREA.
Here are just a few I found in 10 minutes smart ass. You didn’t nag HSF this much about it and he originated the topic.
You said you briefly looked online and didn’t find anything so I don’t expect you to investigate any of these because you apparently have both lazy eyes and fingers but not a lazy mouth.
I’ll start with a Trump friend since you luvs you some Donald.
Business Insider 5/5/14, Dennis Rodman talks about his controversial trips to N. Kores and hanging out with Kim Jong-un.
You tube 6/11/18 CNN Dennis Rodman video.
8/18/18 brovids.com Brother Nathaniel, Who’s pushing war with N. Korea.
8/28/18 Countercurrents.org. Andre Vlchek releases his N. Korea 25 minute documentary online.
Of course you won’t watch that one due to the fact that they are Libtards. However, in fairness to them here is a very scathing critique of Porn and the effect it has on Sound marriages and children that they posted.
Countercurrents.org, Porn is Americas misguided Ghoul. Saad Mohammad 9/5/18.
That should get you started. Unlike you I force myself to read across a wide swath of articles by both Liberals and conservatives because of my natural inclination to be close minded.
You told me twice that you believe the Govt. version of 911 in one day. First when you said you have never heard of anything positive about N. Korea. Second, when you said you are disinclined to believe that our Govt. would have committed the events of 9/11.
Now about my own beliefs about N. Korea. He probably did kill some enemies and back in the 90’s people did starve in large numbers. What makes them any different than our own Govt.? We just do it on a much larger scale. I suppose you don’t believe General Curtiss Lemay was proud of having leveled everything he could locate in N. Korea. How about Iraq and Libya. How about the Clintons own version of Murder incorporated. Does N. Korea control the worlds illicit narcotics trade?

starfcker
starfcker
  TampaRed
September 24, 2018 2:00 am

I told you up top, Florida police would not put up with the bullshit. they put that punk on the ground in handcuffs, and all his buddies too. Serve and Protect, baby. Love you guys.

sofa
sofa
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 4:09 am

serve yourselves.
harm the societies you infest.

been here before-

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.”

“For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

“For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:”

historically, from time to time, people cleanout the copsuckers and the thugswarm, to start the cycle anew.

Luminae
Luminae
September 23, 2018 10:48 pm

AGW

I like that.

AGW ?

After reading the story and enjoying all the wordplay, I realized that although I live in a major city in what is supposedly one of the most suppressed, oppressed, surveilled, and facially recognized countries in the world….I have only seen an AGW here once.

When I first arrived many years ago I expected to see them on every street corner, on rooftops, balconies….yet they weren’t there.

Meanwhile in the land of the free and the home of the brave the AGW is everywhere. I recollect that.

Now I am not naive enough to think there are not AGWs somewhere, hiding, perhaps waiting for something…yet I go out and walk for hours, take public transportation and never see an AGW much less have an AGW stop me and ask for my papers or ask if everything is ok. Maybe they don’t care.

This realization is a tad unsettling.

Maybe that home of the free brave people really isn’t that free or as free as I remembered it being when I left…those many years ago.

What happens if I return now? Will I be treated as a criminal? Will there be so many AGWs at the border, in customs, on the highway, that they will take my PC, hard drives, cellphone, and cash on arrival? Will they welcome me home or just want to make sure everything is ok.

I don’t know.

starfcker
starfcker
  Luminae
September 24, 2018 5:16 am

You would have nothing to worry about. The trash in both those videos set out to have an altercation with law enforcement. It’s not hard to do, if that’s what you want. Most people have jobs and families and responsibilities and don’t have time for that nonsense

TampaRed
TampaRed
  starfcker
September 24, 2018 8:55 am

star,
why are they trash?
they are attempting to demonstrate to both the public & law enforcement that we have the right to carry & that gun owners are not a threat to the public–
i hope the taxpayers of miami beach have to pay a huge settlement over this–
florida carry has had multiple open carry rallies like this around the state & this is the first one in which there has been any confrontations w/law enforcement,who were notified ahead of time that those guys would be out there–
” Most people have jobs and families and responsibilities and don’t have time for that nonsense”star–
bs-most people are too intimidated to stand up for themselves–
you don’t seem to have a problem shredding the constitution when you think it’s reasonable and practical,do you?
the 2nd here,the 5th when it concerns taking poor people’s homes,what other parts of the constitution are you willing to squat over?