Returning from the NATO Trident Juncture strategic exercise, a Norwegian frigate collided with a tanker. Many are speculating that gender politics sunk the vessel.
The collision with the KNM Helge Ingstad left a big enough hole in the starboard side of the frigate for the warship to take on water. The crew has been forced to abandon the vessel, The Barents Observer reported. On Tuesday morning, most of the navy ship was already under water.
The warship, one of Norway’s five top modern frigates, was on her way home to Haakonsvern naval base, but it is still a mystery why the well-equipped warship couldn’t avoid colliding with the 250 meters long oil tanker just north of the oil terminal.
The weather was excellent while the waters in the area offer maritime traffic real-time shipping control. Also, there was radio-contact between the vessels when the accident happened.
The nagging question remains as to why the frigate, with all its radars and sensors, could not change course to avoid the collision.
Overnight #Norway Frigate KNM Helge Ingstad broke its moorings and slipped further into the sea https://t.co/6b2yPvJWlN pic.twitter.com/WjT0xsBHLV
— Joseph Dempsey (@JosephHDempsey) November 13, 2018
The Armed Forces appear reluctant to speak about the crew of the KNM Helge Ingstad.
Judging by the sound record and expert statements, the crew made crude, almost incomprehensible human errors, making them look like amateurs.
“If this is how the Navy trains its naval officers, it’s shocking. They do not show any discipline or understanding of the roadmap rules, nor how to communicate or navigate at sea,” the experienced captain and navigator Geir S Eilertsen remarked.
“In the audio log, you hear the use of voice that does not seem as if the crew in the frigate is aware of the situation they are in. They are not aware that they are heading for danger,” he said.
Retired Commander Jacob Borresen, also found the collision inexplicable.
“The fact that it happened in this particular area is incomprehensible. Here we have a traffic centre packed with radar monitoring equipment reading transponder signals from all the vessels in the area.
“The frigate had state-of-the-art radar equipment and infrared optical systems. How is it possible that the vessels didn’t see each other?” Borresen responded an interview with Norwegian state broadcaster NRK.
An increasing number of readers have contacted Resett pointing to previous speeches about KNM Helge Ingstad, where the publication Armed Forces had been more than willing to praise the crew.
The appointment of the crew was highly controversial at the time, especially to critics who are familiar with the inner workings and operations of the Armed Forces.
The debate had centred around the number of women in the Navy, the extent to which they are quoted in requirements compared to men, and what effect it had on the professional “culture” of the Armed Forces.
In the Norwegian magazine, Armed Forces Forum No. 2 in 2017 it was stated that “Four out of five navigators on frigate KNM Helge Ingstad are women“.
“It is advantageous to have many women on board. It will be a natural thing and a completely different environment, which I look at as positive,” Lieutenant Iselin Emilie Jakobsen Ophus said. She is a navigation officer at KNM Helge Ingstad, according to Defense Forum.
In yet another politically correct nod, the text notes that:
“The Navy receives a much higher number of women after general conscription duty was introduced. Therefore, more women are also more motivated for further career opportunities in the Armed Forces.
“There has always been a perception that the Armed Forces are characterized by a very masculine environment, and in many ways it is true. It is mostly men in the Armed Forces, but it is important for me to show that you do not have to be ‘one of the guys’ to assume a role in the Armed Forces. Finding one’s place should not be at the expense of being a woman,” said Ophus.
When more women are able to work together, “it becomes easier to discover and to create a more balanced defense,” Armed Forces Forum opined.
“It is important that the integration of women should work in every aspect: from officers and constables, to people,” Ophus said, adding:
“The most important thing for me is that my job makes sense because you work for something bigger than yourself.”
In the same magazine where the Norwegians boast about gender equality in their Navy, they also explained that they are looking into every department of their Armed Forces to apply the same formula.
Norway’s Ministry of Defence has not yet reported whether they plan to lift the frigate from where it sunk to repair the vessel. All the 137 people on board the KMN Helge Instad were successfully evacuated.
Not only did the demise of the uninsured frigate cost the Norwegian Navy its entire annual budget, but the country lost millions with several oil and gas fields which were temporarily shut down due to the accident.
Since the oil companies pay 78 percent taxes to the state for production, the shutdown resulted in a substantial economic loss, national broadcaster NRK reported.
The KMN Helge Ingstad is one of five Nansen-class frigates billed as “unsinkable” due to its construction with water-tight zones designed to keep the warship “intact and operable”.
The vessel had taken part in a “high visibility” exercise shortly before the collision.
Lol. Takes me back to my time in the army. No one can fuck shit up like a female E-6.
Except a female O-3.
“It is still a mystery why the well-equipped warship couldn’t avoid colliding with the 250 meters long oil tanker just north of the oil terminal.
The weather was excellent while the waters in the area offer maritime traffic real-time shipping control. Also, there was radio-contact between the vessels when the accident happened.
The nagging question remains as to why the frigate, with all its radars and sensors, could not change course to avoid the collision.”
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“Four out of five navigators on frigate KNM Helge Ingstad are women“.
“It is advantageous to have many women on board.”
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The KMN Helge Ingstad is one of five Nansen-class frigates billed as “unsinkable” due to its construction with water-tight zones designed to keep the warship “intact and operable”.
Western PC culture will be the demise of the Western World… Chip
There is a joke somewhere in here about women drivers but I’m not going to make it. It’d be in bad taste. Instead, I’ll simply congratulate the mostly female crew for achieving what was believed to be impossible. Another milestone in wymin’s history.
I looked but could not find any images of female sailors from Norway, but I came across this “gender neutral training comes to Norway” photo and thought of you.
Safety first!
L Shaped Ambush Gone Bad.
This one’s going on my blog. Thanks.
The Russians must be laughing their asses off.
Similiar happened on board frigate USS Fitzgerald when it collided with MV ACX Crystal.
Every single ship in the U.S. Navy carries radar which can pick out a swimmer in big wave conditions at over 2 miles. The Fitzgerald collided with a large slow moving 730 foot long container ship.
All women, the Officer On Deck (OOD) and the Tactical Action Officer (TAO) were having a bitch fight and not talking to each other, so wouldn’t take corrective steering action. Additionally, the Damage Control Officer (DCO) was part of the bitch fight, so one of the U.S. Navy’s fastest most maneuverable ships collided with a very large slow moving container ship. In the pre-political correctness days, the DCO traditionally was a large dude, who could help move stuff out of the way; not anymore.
What would have been court-martial and ruined career for officer men, was a reprimand in the all-inclusive-let’s-include-stupid-Navy. Fitzgerald officer of course was cashiered for having a penis more than for not intervening in the bitch fight among the junior female officers.
The navy’s own incident report said that the female crew members on duty at the time didn’t communicate with each other because were not on speaking terms with each other. Basically, the girls were having a hissy fit. There was no mention if any or all were on the rag at the time.
+100 to both QP & Steve C: The msm covered this up like a cat in a litter box.
I once heard women working in close proximity of one another (or sister wives) become synchronized in their menstrual cycles? Anyone have evidence, even anecdotal?
Herd animals are almost 100% linked in estrous cycles.
thanks
It happens in families with the mom and daughters and on navy ships. Of 1200 person crew 400 were women and yes, it happens.
I looked up the DCO article you must have used. The Engineer officer is the Damage Control Officer. Perhaps the journalist meant that the Damage Control Assistant was the one that handled the collision remotely from the bridge. The DCA would have been relieved to attend to Damage Control Central to combat the casualty. Perhaps way was blocked? Anyway all one needs to be in charge is a sound powered phone talker to relay and receive communications and a 1MC microphone in hand. I would have to know more information to make a judgement. Been there, done that. I take most journalists with a grain of salt as most know not of the structure of the navy and other armed forces. They continuously call enlisted petty officers naval officers.
QP – I had just finished writing up a comment with the same information so I will just add another story to the saga.
It’s hardly the first time that political posturing has cost the lives of crew and equipment in our new ‘oh so diverse’ navy.
In 1994, a female pilot by the name of Kara Hultgreen was rushed through fighter pilot training because the Clinton administration wanted ‘diversity’ in the ranks and a female fighter pilot qualified for combat operations under their administration.
Hultgreen was promoted even after failing multiple times in performance objectives that would have washed out any male pilot. She even failed her first attempt at carrier qualifications. Although Hultgreen herself was very vocal about her misgivings about not being ready and not yet being qualified, political pressure promoted her into a job that she wasn’t ready for. The result was tragic and predictable.
In 1994 while trying to land on the Carrier ‘Lincoln’, she overshot the approach centerline and tried to correct by using a procedure that was not recommended by naval authorities. This caused a compressor stall in the left engine that caused her to lose control on short final. The RIO, realizing that a crash was imminent initiated an ejection. He survived but Hultgreen’s seat fired into the water, killing her instantly. She was forced into a position in which she was not ready due to a political agenda and paid for it with her life.
Don’t expect to read or hear about any of this on what passes for a news media in this country though.
As a people we had better learn to get along with our fellow nations because if we are foolish enough to pick a real fight with Russia or China, they are going to kick our diverse ass…
I was there and saw it.
Lest we forget.
As I recall there was an issue about AA officers on the bridge when those USN DD collisions near Japan. The navy cashiered the captains but hushed up the identities of the duty officers.
“When more women are able to work together, “it becomes easier to discover and to create a more balanced defense,” Armed Forces Forum opined.”
That sounds like the exact opposite of a ‘gender neutral’ policy. It is example of what I frequently tell my children is “poopytalk”, saying something that sounds like you might hear from an adult- because it sounds high minded- but which if looked at closely conveys nothing at all, or the opposite of what the speaker is trying to convey. What, for example is a “more balanced defense”? I have spent time in the military and studied military history almost my entire life, but I have no idea what that term means. And the first part of the sentence-” When more women are able to work together…” implies that the solution to a “…more balanced defense” is fewer men working with each other or in concert with women, a complete contradiction to their stated policies.
There is only one certain outcome from this maritime disaster, a greater push for more inclusion of women in the Navy. You can take that to the bank.
So, what? If the programs we tried before didn’t work, is the best solution going forward to implement similar, but improved programs designed by the same committee, with larger funding?
I am glad I was able to participate in USAF when the women’s movement first opened doors to women, allowing me to turn my guaranteed job position – radar or communications systems was my selection- into a semi-informed decision to look into that AWACS platform. I got to enter into some career journeys with some really fine women who wanted only to do as good of a job as they could while wearing a uniform they loved.
That is pretty much how I ended up on this path. Because, when there was a sudden decision that it was time every single command and leadership position were women and I came to see that there were women, like me, who really wanted to perform a service to our country. And, I also came to see there were WOMEN, who intended to so closely embrace the masculine aspects of leadership they forgot the power of nurture. And, having thrown away the ability to nurture for a trip up a ladder to a ceiling (really, don’t all ladders eventually reach their limit? Even stairways to heaven get there), some of them became Wimmen, some hybrid of women and little men, which seemed chic at the time, didn’t it? Does anyone still subscribe to Gentleman’s Quarterly any longer? Does it exist?
But, what is fashion fad should NOT become long term goal. I exited the military at the time Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was implemented, whatever that means. I took it to mean that the bulldyke Admin officer (1st Lt.) did not have to tell me what I was never going to ask anyway.
Some things just go without not asking very well.
Do not think for a moment that your service was not appreciated. The problem is, and has always been, the inclusion of women in positions at the expense of the mission, simply to have them represented rather than to have the best person in the right slot.
When the demand to have women attend jump school to become paratroopers was mandated, it was not to fill up a shortage of slots, it was to have women qualify so they could be awarded jump wings- which were associated with career advancement. The standards were lowered to accommodate them, the equipment that they carried was modified or excluded altogether, while all other standards remained in place for their male counterparts. That’s the very definition of inequality and it cost us some of the best and most experienced NCO’s who simply walked away rather than pretend that they were a part of a unit that maintained the highest standards of Esprit De Corps. They understood full well that what the Army had done was to institute a form of apartheid where two groups occupied the same sphere with completely unequal treatment based on politics rather than worth. The 82nd suffered, and thus our combat readiness and utility was compromised, and all to appease a very small number of women who at their best could not meet the minimum requirements expected of the men.
Absolutely agree.
There were many career fields opened to women that could be easily justified and even encouraged. For example, there was no difference in my flight physical requirements from any male on the crew, except basic height/weight differences. I had to be able to lift 75 lbs (or whatever it was) and be able to withstand the survival school req’s. It was AFTER that, in the 90s when the lunatics took over and suddenly, a woman’s mile was a bit shorter than a man’s mile, when you measured them side by side.
I benefitted by being a woman because once I got pregnant I had the option of NOT flying aircrew and, then, due to Clintonian draconian cuts, opted to get out and be Mom.
I was never trying to become a man; just do some of the really cool stuff on the other side of doors just opened to women.
The hardest part of it is keeping track of the email addresses.
I have a lifelong friend who was in the 82nd and was in the late 70s and ready to go into Iran after the failed rescue. I will ask him about his experiences if he had encountered females in the unit (most likely support then) when we walk the Camino next year. I supervised two manly senior enlisted women and they were great at cracking the whip and as leaders of Damage Control teams were in the right place. Sadly, most women being junior enlisted milked every moment they could.
We would look out of our staterooms and see dozens of women in the sick bay line and only a couple men. The inevitable pregnancies and marriages resulted in the person with more sea duty (every time the men) being assigned to shore duty off the ship and the female reaching the stage of gestation to go ashore also. A twofer loss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQN_i_foalU
Now allowing a 17 year old in a Grand Prix style race is virtually insane from any perspective. That it was a female was simply the guarantee of this outcome.
See Michelle Wie
How in the world did that happen?!?!?!
But, but, they’re great at sports:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1494372510
Ya know, I’ve only heard of one famous woman navigator and she’s on’y famous for gettin’ lost. https://www.google.com/search?q=amelia+earhart&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS798US798&oq=amelia+earh&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.4008j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I’ve noticed that some people do their jobs well and some don’t. When a Liberal is in charge, other Liberals are free to be Jerks without repercussions even when they royally screw up and get caught. Liberals will immediately reply that Conservatives do likewise but that is just knee Jerk Liberals being Liberals. The Caravan Migrants, Catholic Priests, Vote Fraud, Democrat Investigations etc are making Liberal and Conservative skirmish lines clear. I’m sure a Democrat led House will wind up spattering enough egg on Liberal’s own faces to keep the Liberal Press Cleaner-uppers working overtime two years. Give them plenty of rope Donald.
I am really, really, looking forward to seeing Maxine Waters as the Chairperson of a major House committee. If Netflix would live stream the committee hearings, I would bite the bullet and buy a subscription.
Woooeeee!! Total exposure of a drooling idiot. My mind boggles at the prospect. Whatever entity created and rules the universe, please make it happen.
Norwegian hubris 2018.
The unsinkable KMN Helge Ingstad:
British hubris 1912.
The unsinkable Titanic:
This reminds me of my comedy tape by Jeff Foxworthy entitled “You Might Be A Redneck If………”. In it he talks about being on a road trip with his wife and handing a map to his wife and saying it was like handing Kyroptonite to Superman!!! mmm mmm…….. “Unsinkable”, It seems I remember another ship that they said the same thing about. The ships name starts with a T!!!
The Norwegian Navy needs MGTOW really bad!!!!!!
Not sure about gender politics, certainly could be important; to my mind, in addition, other issues also appear to be possible, language issues, US officer in training??, etc: Link may be interest:
https://southfront.org/us-officer-appears-to-be-involved-in-norways-frigate-collision/
Important to include Irish Rover ditties:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drunken+sailor+ditty&view=detail&mid=7583B1CF4EC9F13845B27583B1CF4EC9F13845B2&FORM=VIRE
Take a look at some of the other ditties: “Sailor Song” recommended
Based on what I read in that article I’d qualify as having been involved because I read about it on the Interwebs.
Anyone from a foreign nation, training under officers from another nation, on their ship, under their control, in a foreign language, in their waters, off their coast can hardly be blamed for what occurred UNLESS it turns out it was a male, in which case it’s all his fault.
What a BS story, sounds almost exactly like what happened after the Florida bridge collapse. You sing about the virtues of what women bring to the experience that are unique and extraordinary because they’re women until they kill a bunch of innocent people and cost the taxpayers millions upon millions of dollars and then all of a sudden it’s “We can’t divulge that information due to privacy concerns.” And then it’s right down the memory hole.
FUBAR, all day long.
When a ships crew has a coessive issue the part of the puzzle which is not fitting in the mix severely reduces combat readiness and it is up to the captain or commander to remove the problem . It is up to the higher command structure to back up their officers command decisions . If the high command doesn’t trust the captains decisions why did they place him or her in command .
The old man has to walk the walk and talk the talk also back it up .
I do not understand how naval vessels especially with today’s equipment not to mention look outs manning stations visually guarding the vessel are running into shit .
Somebody is sleeping at the switch !
Perfectly trained by the US Navy surface warfare fleet.