Guest Post by Caitlin Johnstone
Thought experiment:
Think of an acquaintance of yours. Not someone you’re particularly close to, just some guy in the cast of extras from the scenery of your life. Now, imagine learning that that guy is a serial murderer, who has been prowling the streets for years stabbing people to death. Imagine he goes his whole life without ever suffering any consequences for murdering all those people, and then when he dies, everyone wants to talk about how great he was and share heartwarming anecdotes about him. If you try to bring up the whole serial killing thing, people react with sputtering outrage that you would dare to speak ill of such a noble and wonderful person.
“Look, I didn’t agree with everything he did, but you can’t just let one not-so-great thing from a man’s life eclipse all the other good things he’s accomplished,” they protest. “For example, did you know he was a baseball captain at Yale?”
“But… what about all those people he murdered?” you reply.
“God, why can’t you just pay respect to a great man in our time of mourning??” they shout in exasperation.
George HW Bush systematically attacked the civilian infrastructure in Iraq. He turned hospitals into death rows for infants. He widely used depleted uranium, causing cancer rates to skyrocket. He made Iraq a mass graveyard. And the killing hasn’t stopped since.
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) December 1, 2018
I remember feeling a deep sense of shame and anger when I visited the Amiriyah shelter in Iraq. George HW Bush killed more than 400 civilians huddled there on February 13, 1991. These are the crimes we should be discussing today.
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) December 1, 2018
It was George Bush Snr. who ordered the bombing of the “Highway of Death” in 1991. The death toll remains unknown. Robert Fisk, the journalist, said he “lost count of the Iraqi corpses crammed into the smoldering wreckage or slumped face down in the sand”. pic.twitter.com/Fj8cnC4aAi
— Crimes of USA (@CrimesofUS) December 1, 2018
Thanks to George W Bush, birth defects in Fallujah, the Iraqi city he bombed with depleted uranium and white phosphorus, outstrip those in post-atom-bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Remember this the next time you see media portray George W Bush as a lovable elder statesman. https://t.co/NbhwW7XH36
— Shailja Patel (@shailjapatel) November 29, 2018
You turn on the TV, and it’s nothing but nonstop hagiography and adulation for this guy who you know was a serial murderer. Pick up a newspaper and it’s the same thing. On the rare occasions where they do mention his astonishingly high body count, they frame it as a good thing: he got the killing done quickly and efficiently. He helped our country get over its phobia of mass murder. Our streets sure are a lot cleaner without all those unwanted prostitutes and homeless people he butchered.
“What the hell?” you think to yourself. “This guy brutally murdered a whole bunch of men, women and children for no good reason. We all know this. How come that isn’t the single defining thing about this man’s life that we’re all discussing right now? When Timothy McVeigh died people didn’t spend all their time talking about his love of the Constitution or how he never liked broccoli. Nobody cares how much Ted Bundy loved his cat. Why are they celebrating this mass murderer as though his mass murders are some marginal, irrelevant anomaly in his life and not the single defining feature of it? I mean, that is his legacy!”
How surreal would that be? How weird would it feel to have all that death and destruction go either unmentioned or outright praised in discussing your acquaintance who perpetrated it?
Of course, this will never happen. No random schmuck in your life will ever get caught committing a single murder, let alone many, without being punished and seeing it become the very first thing people think of whenever their name comes up. No, that sort of treatment is a privilege that is reserved only for the elites who rule over us.
The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies | https://t.co/zm0A5nHoqm https://t.co/X7Mkmm9l6N
— Katalin Pota ? (@katalin_pota) December 1, 2018
If a man kills a lot of people, then his legacy is that of a mass murderer. There is nothing else anyone could possibly accomplish in their lifetime which could eclipse the significance of the act of violently ripping the life out of thousands of human bodies. I don’t care if you started a charity, if you gave a graduation speech, or if you loved your wife very much. If you committed war crimes, knowingly targeted civilian shelters, and deliberately targeted a nation’s civilian infrastructure to gain a strategic advantage after the conclusion of a war based on lies, then you are a mass murderer who may have also done some other far less significant things during the rest of your time on this planet. That is who you are.
Murder is treated as the most serious crime anyone can commit in societies around the world because it is the single most egregious violation of personal sovereignty possible. When you murder someone, you willfully overpower their will for themselves and take everything away from them, without any possibility of their getting any of it back. This doesn’t stop being true if someone happens to be sitting in an office which empowers him to murder people without fear of consequences. If you murder one person, then what you are for the rest of your life, first and foremost, is a murderer, because murder is such a hugely significant crime. If you murder a large number of people, then what you are is a mass murderer.
George HW Bush was a mass murderer. That is his legacy. That is what he was. Any discussion of the man’s life which does not put this single defining legacy front and center by a very wide margin is being dishonest about the thing that murder is, and is doing so out of fealty to a corrupt power structure which enables consequence-free murder on a mass scale as long as it happens in accordance with the will of that power structure.
The ignored legacy of George H.W. Bush: war crimes, racism, and obstruction of justice https://t.co/GlCIZ3vDLJ by @mehdirhasan
— The Intercept (@theintercept) December 1, 2018
Whenever I hold my customary public “good riddance” social media celebration after a war pig dies, I always get people telling me they hope I die for saying such a thing. And of course I am aware that I am courting controversy by saying immediately after someone’s death that the world is better off without them, and hostile reactions necessarily come along with that. But I also think it says so much about people’s deification of these child-killing elites that simply being glad to see them leave this world, peacefully of old age and in their own homes, is seen as such an unforgivable offense that it deserves nothing short of death. I suppose that’s how high of a pedestal you need to place someone on above the ordinary people in order to see their acts of mass murder as insignificant little foibles instead of horrific atrocities which define their entire personhood. In the eyes of the thoroughly propagandized public, they are gods, as the nonstop fawning beatification of Poppy Bush makes abundantly clear.
US presidents are not special. They are not made of any different kind of substance than you or I. When they order the extermination of large numbers of human lives for no legitimate reason, they are as guilty as you or I would be if we murdered each and every one of those people ourselves, personally. And if you or I had done such a thing during our lives, we both know people wouldn’t be spending their time after we die talking about how delightful and charming we were.
George Herbert Walker Bush was a mass murderer, and the only reason that undeniable fact isn’t dominating public discourse today is because of the myopia caused by a deeply unjust power dynamic.
Have a nice trip down motherfucker
My wife mentioned his passing yesterday and I shared the same sentiments as Ms. Johnstone. My wife was miffed because they had been married 72 years and shouldn’t that count for something.
*sigh*
That’s the gap between perceived realities. I think it’s great that he was married to one woman for his entire life, but I still couldn’t help but feel that the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people under his authority and spawning a son who one-upped him undermined his long marriage legacy.
He was married to the Deep State for even longer.
Hitler loved dogs too. Psychotics are human too.
I agree with Steele. Trump’s regime should have arrested him before he died, and hanged Cheney. GHWB was the Emperor of The Blackmail State. But since it’s JustUs, it won’t be done.
It was pretty widely known he had at least one mistress.
Not sure about the premise. I mostly remember John Wayne Gacy as a remodeling contractor.
Aren’t all US presidents basically the same on this count?
At least recently.
No, there are a lot of no-famous Presidents, including recently Harding and Coolidge, who weren’t interested in murdering foreigners, or domestics…But Presidents get famous by killing lots of people, like Lincoln.
No, not really. Lately it’s become de rigueur, but once upon a time it was somewhat judicious.
OK, so maybe “only” 90% of US presidents throughout history go on killing sprees while on the job.
I will remember HW Bush with the utmost of gratitude. He made me a peacenik. The whole lead up to war was such obvious bull feces.
I was active duty at the time, gung ho and sharp as a tack (whatever that means) and even I said to myself “This is horse shit.”
To myself.
I was right there with you. I remember sitting in a tent reading about that awful impostor that spoke at the UN . As soon as we heard the “babies thrown from their incubators” lie we all knew that war was inevitable. After it was all over, I’d listen to my roommate cry in his sleep. He never came to terms with what he did.
He helped me to appreciate Somalian culture.
The old “Bonesman” was true to his roots…Iraq was indeed the Skull and Bones approach to war…Kill vast numbers of people for no particular reason, then abandon ship for another adventure, allowing the Clintons to take over…
Someone had to say it.
Add to the count all the Kurds he talked into rebelling and then left them hanging out to dry.
baggs,
one of the few negative comments here i agree with —
however,i’d also add that in the long run the kurds were still better off having sided w/us–
Ultimately the Turks would have slaughtered them if any “independence” movement really took hold, and the US would have either stood by and cheered them on, or happily sold them weapons to achieve the slaughter.
He also sided with the commies when they started killing the protestors in Tiananmen Square. That’s when I realized what an SOB he was.
The “sit down and shut up” incident Bush 1 had with POW/MIA families in Virginia irritated me long ago … that, and his New World Order crap was enough to make me despise him for years. Won’t bother watching his funeral, either.
Was in during the First Gulf War and watched the aftermath, then later on, was a contractor supporting the effort to retrain Iraqi police after the Second Gulf War. True, we knocked out a dragon but let loose a massive number of snakes.
There was a dragon? Are you sure you weren’t fighting with Harry Potter?
I am sure the whole Bush clan feels very slighted now that you have announced you won’t be watching the funeral- talk about civil disobedience!
There is not enough space on the entire Internet to cover just how horrible a person this man was.
I too am receiving the same kind of “die motherfucker” responses to all of my comments detailing the truth of this man’s life-long crime spree. More than happy to receive whatever, so long as the truth gets out there.
That bastard was instrumental to Kennedy;s murder and was no doubt complicit to 911. The only thing I can say positive about him and his criminal family is that he didn’t completely destroy the republic in a manner that is non recoverable, such as Lincoln and Wilson. Every time I think of those fuckers I almost puke.
Don’t forget Reagan’s attempted murder also. The Hinkley’s were personal friends of the Bush family.
Maybe we can now get out of Afghanistan seeing as how the Lord Drug King is dead. Maybe Obozo and Kerry can carry on the trade seeing as how they wanted to keep the Iranian deal going. There is so much more money to be made from human trafficking though. I mean they can be sold more than once.
Rot in hell mutherfucker!!
Good riddance!
May he rot in hell forever.
Since the murdering elites always go private class and never come second how about we all send them to the front of God’s judgement at death line?
You could say the same thing about Sadaam Hussein, or any other Arab leader. Hell, there are murderers in the house and senate if you use the logic that the author uses.
Forgotten in all of this is the brutal conquest of Kuwait and the murder and pillaging that took place during and after. The war to oust Iraq was sanctioned by the UN and consisted of 30 nations including Russia.
War is by necessity an ugly and monstrous thing and to enter into it is a decision not easily made. However, the act of unprovoked conquest that is not answered in kind, will serve to allow the despots of the world will seize and destroy anything they choose with impunity.
The Iraqi people supported and kept Hussein in power and to argue differently is to confirm my statement about him being a murderer to begin with; and he murdered his own people as well.
Glenda…
Your comment is full of inaccurate moralizing.
For starters, we created Saddam and kept him in power because our man on the job in Iran was thrown out. We gave him the gas he used on the Iranians.
Secondly, we goaded him into attacking Kuwait. Remember April Gillespie giving him the wink and nod. Kuwait was drilling latterly into Iraqi oil fields.
30 nation’s that were pressured by Bush.
We aren’t talking about Arab leaders or any other leaders. We are talking about an undeserving leader of the alleged greatest democracy on Earth. The city on a shining hill being feted like he was Yoji’s Kitty. (Sorry Kitty for dragging you into this).
War is by necessity an ugly and monstrous thing and to enter into it is a decision not easily made. However, the act of unprovoked conquest that is not answered in kind, will serve to allow the despots of the world will seize and destroy anything they choose with impunity.
You are aware that Iraq was a U.S. ally in the 1980s and that with U.S. approval, Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, are you not?
This is BARELY even SCRATCHING the surface.
Show us your tits Glenda. Don’t forget the band-aids on the nipples or Admin will thwart our intentions.
You might even get some up votes.
farmer,
your image won’t open–
i realize that i’m not as smart or knowledgeable as many of you but why in this pic of the highway of death is the road not torn up?
edit–
when i posted this,i didn’t realize that other tweets & photos from the same site would also post–
however,it is illuminating as to who that site praises & who caitlin johnstone uses as her sources–
Che fighting for the working class. Ha! Have you seen the picture of him and his pal wearing three or four Rolex’s each?
Nobody here is sucking Che dick buddy.
Most likely because the vehicles were pushed aside after being abandoned and caused a major traffic jam. If you don’t see holes in the road or stuff turned into Swiss Cheese by 30mm cannon or cluster bomb fragments, they probably weren’t targeted or shot at.
Arabs are more often thieves and cowards and make poor soldiers, but then again, not much you can do against airborne GAU-8 cannons … you’re dead before you even hear the noise. I had an A-10 scare the hell out of me up on the DMZ one day as the pilot floated through the hills. The plane climbed up the hill over my site’s helipad and flew over me before I even realized it.
I never heard it coming.
That, and staring down a 120mm cannon of an M1 with a spotlight blinding you can make you appreciate not being on the wrong side of the gun.
Fuck you and your Che worship. He broke a hole in his office wall so he could watch and hear the firing squads. To this day, Cuba is the a million miles from a “liberated” working class. Oh and fuck you again.
Kapernick just took millions from Nike so fuck you again.
War is hell. Kuwait was getting butchered. Best to use overwhelming death & destruction if possible and get it over with. The intel provided at the time indicated of course Iraq had WMD-he sure as fuck killed a shitload of Iranians with them-and with the huge delay in inspections after the War, ever wonder where they went?
At the time of the war, remember Iraq’s military was fiercely admired and huge coming off the murderous war with Iran. They had the 3rd(?) largest army in the world and seemed to be battle hardened. It looked to be by no means the slam dunk it turned out to be. Zillions of tanks, state of the art Russian anti-aircraft and chemical weapons.
Hussain used murder, rape, torture…fucking you name it, to hold his disparate “nation” under his thumb.
HW’s mistake was not marching into Baghdad & taking Hussain out. W’s was trying to mold Iraq into something it would & could never be.
Believe me, I have no use for HW but I believe he took the correct action in the 1st gulf war to liberate Kuwait.
Lemesa..
Are you implying that we don’t use rape, muder and torture to hold our empire together.
We were water boarding Philippinos in 1900. Ever read Smedly Butler?
Hussein only did it for about 20 years with our blessings. See my reply to Glenda above at 12:45.
I must have missed us and the whole dropping people into tree shredders thing somewhere.
Are you calling water boarding torture?
It’s a tough fucking world out there. No one is perfect but I’ll take 300,000 dead Japs over the expected 1,000,000 American casualties every time. Oh they were civilians? Tough, I’d expect no less from China or N Korea.
Lamesa…
I said the Philippines in 1900 not Japan in 45.
Water boarding is just part of what we did to them in order to liberate them from Spain.
No one is perfect is a pretty limp excuse for Mass murder an untold misery of living.
Buy a clue bub. Human nature ain’t pretty.
Maybe you high and mighty fucking down voters need to speak with my dad or my uncles who thanked the Good Lord for Harry Truman. He saved their lives and you can kiss my ass.
Fucking pansy asses. You’ll see soon enough in the 4th Turning.
Lameshits..
FUKK OFF you warmongering Neocon. Read some real history. Japan was trying desperately to surrender and agreed to all our terms including abdication of the Emperor and Truman refused.
I suppose firebombing women, kids and old men relentlessly for months was also necessary.
FUKK OFF again you disgust me
Always our fault, right pal?
How so? Japan repeatedly tried to surrender. We were hell bent on scaring the crap out of the Russians and doing so by using the ONLY 2 bombs we had on Japan.
What horseshit. Never before have the winners rewritten history so that they make themselves out to be evil warmongers.
Thank a teacher’s union for your idiocy and self hate.
mm,
the japs had been trying to surrender thru 3rd parties since 1943 and had been continuously rebuffed unless the surrender was w/o any conditions whatsoever,which at that time they would not submit to–
russia did not want the pacific war to end because they wanted to take japan–
roosevelt had traitors such as alger hiss & at least one other as his aides,and they were either not passing on the info to roosevelt or slanting it in such a way that peace overtures were rejected–
truman had only been potus for 4 months when he dropped the bomb,it’s possible that he did not know that the japs were trying to surrender–
You want to surrender, than quit fighting. So your assertion is more bullshit. They had plans to weaponize every single person on that island when we invaded.
You need to learn some history including bushido. Japanese soldiers were the fiercest in WWll-they killed more enemy per one of them lost any any other participant. They fought to the death and thought those who surrendered were cowards.
Our government anticipated 1 Million+ casualties and had ordered 100s of 1,000s of body bags. My father and uncles were eternally grateful to Truman for negating the necessity of an invasion.
They fought in the S Pacific and weren’t wearing the rose colored glasses you’re wearing. It was a fight to death for the Japanese military and everyone back then knew it.
Why didn’t the Japs surrender after Hiroshima? Because they still believed they could stretch the war out, even after an atomic bomb!, such that the American public would call for it’s end.
This country is sunk with idiots like you. If we ever go to war, do you think for a second that China or N Korea or Russia is going to pull punches?
Take your unicorn BS down the road, it don’t hunt here.
Lamesa…
FDR forced them into war. They were our friends before that. Read some history.
Nobody here is surrendering anything. We were discussing how disgusting Bush was.
Why do the historically illiterate emerge from the shadows when people like Bush 41 die?
MM….You’re not very well read are you…the 1,000,000 American casualties taking Japan is the biggest bunch of BS since “I swear I won’t cum in your mouth” .
I have the water board set up in the basement…when do you want to give it a try so we can determine if it’s torture ?
Buck.
Thanks.
More bullshit. Our government had 100s of 1,000s of body bags at the ready. The U.S. military, expecting resistance by a “fanatically hostile population,” made preparations for between 1.7 and 4 million casualties with up to 800,000 dead. Between 5 and 10 million Japanese deaths were projected.
The atomic bombs actually saved lives compared to the hideous fire bombing underway or an invasion.
Sell your bullshit some where else, we’re all filled up on stupid here.
I’ll put my knowledge of history up against yours any day pal.
Try this and get back to me, Downfall, Richard Mark.
From the jacket
In a riveting narrative that includes information from newly declassified documents, acclaimed historian Richard B. Frank gives a scrupulously detailed explanation of the critical months leading up to the dropping of the atomic bomb. Frank explains how American leaders learned in the summer of 1945 that their alternate strategy to end the war by invasion had been shattered by the massive Japanese buildup on Kyushu, and that intercepted diplomatic documents also revealed the dismal prospects of negotiation. Here also, for the first time, is a comprehensive account of how Japan’s leaders were willing to risk complete annihilation to preserve the nation’s existing order. Frank’s comprehensive account demolishes long-standing myths with the stark realities of this great historical controversy.
Got anymore smack?
Projections vs. actual statistics…..
When I was a kid we called waterboarding “goofing around in the pool”.
Not exactly a 12 volt to the genitals.
What an ignorant post.
You do know Saddam was a U.S. ally in the 1980s, don’t you?
Tampa..
Just a guess but if they were crammed on the road that heavily when they were strafed by 20 to 30 mm cannot from above, the army may have shoved them aside to clear it for Army convoys. As packed as tight as it appears they would have shielded the pavement somewhat.
30mm GAU-8 cannons use U238 depleted uranium rounds.
The 30mm slugs would’ve left holes.
Big, obvious holes, as they fly fast enough to melt through rolled steel plate armor. Much of the leftover tanks, APC’s and vehicles turned into Swiss cheese ended up in big piles outside the landfills outside Kuwait City. Even the scrap metal dealers didn’t want the leftovers, much of it was left to rust in the sun.
I have pictures standing among T-72 tanks and shredded vehicles. Turrets looked like melted toys where M1 rounds had melted through. Ordnance from vehicles that hadn’t burned were still on the ground. Too dumb back then to realize U238 rounds are still slightly radioactive, even if depleted.
The rounds themselves aren’t dangerous, it’s the dust that’s generated when they hit a target that is. The ‘burn thru’ that happens, especially when something armored is hit, makes a very fine U238 dust. The dust is persistent and gets into the lungs and emits that low amount of radiation, forever. But, like many things we have used on civilian populations, the biggest threat seems to be the future generation of children born there. Much like our use of agent orange, the dust from those rounds causes horrible birth defects.
The danger with depleted uranium is not the radioactivity so much as it is a toxic, carcinogenic metal which in powder or aerosol form readily is absorbed into the body and displaces vital trace minerals like magnesium and zinc.
Robert (QSLV)
Don’t agree with the Che post, but all the rest certainly hit home.
That’s the problem with people like that. US bad, everyone else good. No. Not the case at all. Ho Chi Minh and Che and the rest of them were murderous monsters, not gallant freedom fighters. Does that mean we had the right to intervene in their respective country’s affairs? Absolutely not.
Another thing that pisses me off about those kinds of groups – the give anti war people and sites a bad name by praising communist dictators. A thinking person that might be starting to realize how terrible GHWB was is going to see that the same group criticizing him as a war criminal is also praising communist criminals as well and ignore it.
Gator..
Not sure who you’re referring to. I’ve been calling out the Commies for 50 years. I’ve also called out the traitors and murderers in this country and have been visited by the Clinton Goon Squads for it.
We are not discussing them here. We were discussing a Mass murderer being feted like Mother Thereasa until a few Bush lovers changed the topic with that Moral Relativism bullshit about they all do it.
Wisdom can always justify her children.
Don’t forget Waco.
waco was clinton,and the finale was pushed hard by hillary because the standoff looked bad politically–
ruby ridge was on bush,though i doubt that bush was pushing hard for a resolution–
what both situations had in common was that federales were killed ,so there was gonna be payback–
Bush is seen as a great man despite the hundreds of deaths he caused. Yet Trump is the devil incarnate for firing tear gas at invading migrants. The willful blindness is absolutely staggering.
If this is real we’re in a whole world of trouble. https://www.activistpost.com/2018/11/trump-signs-bill-to-further-protect-critical-infrastructure-including-pandemic-delivery-system.html
It’s “our” fault. After all, “we” voted. Twice, actually. Once for the emperor of the Blackmail State, and again, with our viewership, for ABCNNBCBS, who always supports their owners’ interests, no matter who’s in office.
Who was it that criticized Alex Jones for popularizing the current use of the word “elites”?
… a privilege that is reserved only for the elites who rule over us …
Perhaps one small step for writers would be calling it by its true name: The Kakistocracy.
Max Igan uses that word all the time – kakistocracy. Do you listen to him?
There’s also kakistocracyblog run by a guy who called himself porter. He hasn’t written much lately, but his site is still up. One of the best writers I’ve ever come across in my life, especially if you possess a dry sense of humor and an ironic disposition, and he writes an obscure blog hardly anyone has heard of.
Thank you for writing this!
I can just print out copies , hand them to people and leave.
The same people who want to kill you over a topic that confuses their comfort level in this unrealistic matrix……
Should check out ” conclusion laws ” for ” ordinary ” people.
The moment you can comprehend the death being dealt around the world off the taxes of your labors…..
You are complacent.
Even the People of Spain had a Million Man March against the beginning of the slaughter of Iraq .
Here in the US?….Crickets.
You end up on a long road of servitude ….when death means nothing.
When I was in the service, Bush Sr. was installed and morale was low.
Does morale, as most people understand it, even exist anymore?
Daddy Bush’s death saddens me.
I’m sad that he lived so long … and that he died such a peaceful death.
Monsters do not deserve peaceful deaths. I would have happy had he been shot and paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of his life. I’d have been delighted if he suffered from some incredibly painful disease, and cried for the release of death, but death never comes.
Oh well. At least he’s dead. I did some yard work yesterday and took a piss on a bush … I enjoy such symbolism.
Kinda reminds me of a funny meme I saw about McCain when he died. Something like ‘I think it was a broken heart over the lack of nuclear war that finally did him in’.
Some amazing mental gymnastics by Caitlin and most of the commenters.
1. Did HW Bush create or authorize the “babies out of incubators” lie? How about the culpability of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus??
2. So should HW Bush have let Saddam keep Kuwait? If you massively criticize the Gulf I war, you need to give a statement on that too.
3. Have you seen the pictures of the Amiriyah shelter after the attack? A hole through about 4 ft of concrete, with rebar the diameter of your forearm sticking out, I had never seen the latter before ever. So Saddam built that with massive costs to shelter 400 civilians, out of a population of ~7 million?? And the fact the US air force dropped two bombs on it, which hit less than 15 feet apart.
Maybe you want to apply some critical thinking here: that bunker was obviously (believed to be) a shelter for top Irak commanders or even Saddam himself, on a second lower level. The second bomb was supposed to go through the crater the first bomb ripped, but lacked precision.
There was a similar incident later where a US tomahawk at night impacted on the ground besides the Baghdad hotel housing CNN and other western journalists, killing one reporter who had been standing at his window at the time. Despite the outrage, at least one journalist kept or regained a level head the next morning and reported that the crater besides the hotel was showing a seemingly massive concrete structure underneath – well if you put yourself in Saddam’s shoes, would you not put one of your personal shelters underneath exactly that hotel?
=> Naivety is not a good base for moral virtue.
#1 Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ
Start there, the rest will figure itself out.
Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ == babies out of incubators
So how does that help me find HW Bush’s responsibility for that lie?
Amazing how Usians can rant about Putin having been head of the KGB, but Poppy Bush being head of the CIA before becoming prez. is peachy keen, mom, baseball, and apple pie.
Michael m..
See my reply to Glenda above at 12:45.
You’re the naive one.
Says the guy who puts all the blame for everything, including Kuwait oil drilling, on HW Bush??
Edit: I’m not saying HW was a saint or something. But to argumentatively “dump the baby with the bathwater” on everything that didn’t have a perfect outcome will not help us going forward for acting really virtuous, instead of virtue-signalling.
What horseshit. Are you an Alinskyite? Not even Tampa would accuse me of virtue signaling.
Oh, there’s an easy way for you to refute that:
Stop dancing around elephants and answer the question “should HW Bush have let Saddam keep Kuwait?”
(whoops, that’s me michaelM)
That’s not the question, never was. Your good at obsfucating tho. Blow me Alinsky.
Go ahead and enlighten us what the question was, then!
Sure. All of these nations were made up as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement which was the secret agreement where Britain and France planned to divide up the Ottoman Empire. Kuwait was created so someone could have a coaling station – nothing more. Makes no bit of difference which sheet wearing dictator rules over it.
I’ll answer your question – yes we should have let him keep it. It makes no difference which tinpot despot rules any particular piece of sand with oil underneath. It’s also not like Kuwait was entirely innocent either. They were accused of slant drilling to take oil from the Iraqi side of a shared oil field. They were also blatantly violating production quotas they agreed to in order to deliberately drive the price of oil down. Does that justify Iraq invading them? No, it does not. But no threat posed to the US or her citizens so there was no justification for the US to be involved.
baggs,
i never said you were virtue signaling,i said you had no virtue-
every female says you’re the easiest she’s ever had–
you’ve been posting a lot lately,did you move again to where you have internet service or are you just finding excuses to go into town so we can harass you?
Tampa..
Some of them said I was the fastest to finish but it was because I ended up with the one still left at closing time.
I’ve been coming in on weekends for mail and to be able to use my laptop at the library. Typing on this phone is a bummer. I get cell coverage 3 or 4 miles from my piece of sand and scorpions but it drops the signal to much to type much. Not sure why I bother with a bugout site. It’ll be over when my inhalers run out.
Spent some time in Baghdad working for 2ID back in 2007.
The old Camp Loyalty just outside Sadr City was sited on an Iraqi secret police HQ and the prison there had been built by foreign labor for Saddam’s victims. The prison facility was off limits for various reasons, mostly because of human waste contamination … but you could still see inside the confines. it was kept secret until we took control because all the construction laborers were eliminated.
I still recall the bloody handprints in the concrete stucco.
Was Bush nicer compared to Saddam? That’s debatable, especially when you’re not personally involved in a war. I got to see the leftovers that comprised the Iraqi officer corps after Saddam was removed.
Real phucking winners, stupid as rocks. One insulted Muslim colonel who toured my post on Loyalty accused us of voyeuristic spying on civilians during our aerial security overwatches.
I complained to the staff about him and got “the we’re allies and have to work together” story.
A couple days later we got hammered by 60mm mortars for our trouble.
Phuck the Iraqis. They’re wasted effort.
Like the warmonger from Arizona, Mc Shame, may he long rot in hell with all the people he killed pissing on them both from heaven.
Let’s not forget about the Cocaine Scourge he personally directed under the guise of fighting commies. The death and misery from that is still ongoing. The gift that keeps on giving.
Is it me or do the 2 security guys behind Bush look exactly alike? Or what???
Hardscrabble….you are right on the money.
I have no respect for the Bush’s or any of rest of the dirty swamp dwellers that came before and after him.
America needs to raise the bar, but before we can do that we need to have a population that can think with their brains rather than with their fingers!! Just sayin’!! It’s doubtful that will ever happen..EVER!
All of these numerous murderers….and its no secret who they are as nothing is concealed that is not now being made widely known, and being revealed… will finally receive their just desserts that they did not receive here on the earthly plane. Their freemasonry master gleefully awaits their arrival in a burning hell and damnation. The justice they did not receive here they will surely receive
in hell. Along with all those who cheerfully applauded their evil deeds.
Two thumbs up.
I lost a few social media followers when Shitstain passed and I shared a few articles about that self-serving POS.
Let’s see how many more social media barnacles I can eliminate with this one… I loved Reagan and managed to see him land at Tinker multiple times.
I saw this guy (Big Bush) one time at another airfield/airshow at Andrews and wouldn’t have bothered except it was a TDY to high per diem area. It was a special deal for a graduating class of Generals, which I didn’t know existed until called upon to be part of the dog and pony show for them.
So, who is gonna write the Peanut Farmer epitaph?
I used to rid by Jimmy’s place in Plains,Ga. a few times a year on my way to my in-laws in Eufaula,Alabama . I used to flip him off every time I rode by at 25 mph….used to drive my ex-wife crazy ….so I kept doing it.
I bet if Admin looked at what happened when Bush was the head of the CIA? Some other bad stuff would surface.
Like the biggest drug lord, ever.
Front companies for weapons sales, money transfers out the MIC Black Project budget that will never be accounted for, plus other rendition stuff that will never be told until its de-classified after a few decades when everyone is dead or gone.
When I point out that Andrew Jackson was a murdering piece of shit, many on TBP froth up and carry on like he is some kind of hero. He was a murdering piece of shit, yet he adorns US currency.
The hypocrisy, it burns.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, but it’s MY team.
Lloph,
That’s just because he killed the second bank and they rightfully despise the 3rd one we all are living our serfdom under.
I see most people as a mixture of good & evil including myself. Have some serious evil in my past. I understand why you feel the way you do about him. Its the human duality.
“If” Trump was ever to audit/nationalize/end the Fed he will be the greatest President of my lifetime. I’m not saying that’s going to happen, but if it did it would dwarf everything else about him. Of course only EO 11110 would do as the replacement…they can take their SDR’s and shove’em were the PM’s don’t shine.
Mark – every age is different. Thought processes differ. If Jackson simply did not know better, if he were ignorant of the evilness of his actions, I would take a different view. But fact is, people knew what was being done to the Indian was evil. Congress knew, and it is public record. Jackson knew. But hey, he wanted the land. As did many others, by a narrow majority.
Knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway is despicable. Jackson was one of those types. And hence my eternal enmity.
Llpoh,
I understand your enmity. It is well founded from his duality dark side.
Andrew Jackson was a slaver, ethnic cleanser, and tyrant. He deserves no place on our money.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/20/11469514/andrew-jackson-indian-removal
Its kind of ironic he is on our 3rd Bankster money. It must piss them off. Digressing into the Bankster history we need a modern day version of something like this. I didn’t known the first bullet point. Anyway, I thought this was a good historical re-cap on the good side of the duality:
HISTORICAL BACKGROUND
February 25 1791: Alexander Hamilton, (a Jew born Alexander Levine in the West Indies), as Secretary of the Treasury, pushed a bank Bill through Congress to establish the First Bank of the United States.
Documents in the British Museum prove that Alexander Hamilton received payment from the Rothschilds for his deed in binding the US government and the States to the international Jewish bankers.
January 24 1811: Congress debates renewal of the charter for the First Bank of the United States.
March 4 1811: The First Bank of the United States is closed. As a result, the House of Rothschild,
who had controlling stock, loses millions. This enrages Nathan Rothschild who then coerces the British Parliament to retake the colonies thus fomenting the War of 1812.
May 11 1812: British Prime Minister Spencer Perceval, a devout Christian, is slain by an assassin named John Bellingham. Because Perceval was decidedly against entering into the War of 1812 the Jewish bankers of England had Prime Minister Spencer Perceval assassinated.
June 18 1812: Backed by Rothschild money, the British declare war on the US.
December 5 1815: President Madison proposes a Second Bank of the United States.
January 7 1817: Congress creates the Second Bank of the United States.
ANDREW JACKSON BATTLES ROTHSCHILD AGENT
NICHOLAS BIDDLE
THE ROTHSCHILD AGENT and child prodigy, Nicholas Biddle (b. in Philadelphia 1786), was the main proponent for central banking. Biddle moved to France at the ages of 19-24 where he came under the tutelage of Nathan Rothschild.
In 1822, under President James Monroe, Biddle became president of the Second Bank of the United States located in Philadelphia.
In 1828, immediately upon his election as the new President of the US, President Andrew Jackson began an investigation of the Second Bank of the United States. President Jackson argued that the bank was privately owned with stockholders from foreign nations who had political agendas at odds with the United States. President Jackson, an avowed Christian, is known for these famous words against the Rothschilds:
— “You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.”
— The battle raged and by 1832 when Jackson was up for re-election, the bankers tried to get a renewal Bill for the bank passed. But Jackson vetoed the bill and made a speech concerning the event:
— “More than 8,000,000 of the stock of the bank is held by foreigners who are more dangerous than the military power of an enemy.”
—In 1832 when Jackson ran for re-election and, despite the fact that the Jewish bankers poured $3,000,000 into Henry Clay’s campaign to defeat him, he was re-elected.
PRESIDENT ANDREW JACKSON BEATS THE JEWS!
IN 1833 PRESIDENT ANDREW JACKSON STARTED REMOVING the government’s deposits from the Rothschilds’ Second Bank of the United States.
In early January 1835, Jackson paid off the final installment of the National Debt. Jackson needed now only to complete the final removal of all US deposits in the Rothschilds’ Central Bank.
On January 30 1835, an assassin by the name of Richard Lawrence tried to kill President Jackson but failed. President Jackson later claimed that he knew the Rothschilds were responsible for the attempted assassination.
President Andrew Jackson then removed all the Government deposits in the Jewish Second Bank of the United States and it collapsed. President Andrew Jackson had conquered the Jews!
(Unfortunately the Jewish Bankers are back with the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank).
Mark..
Good sluething.
Thanks Flea…this face in on the case.
Killed the charter of the Second National Bank of the United States but killed a lot of American Indians and hated the British. Even though my family has American Indian blood, there’s merit to the argument he was good for something, even if he was a Democrat.
e.d. ott,
If Trump ever killed the 3rd American Bank I’d personally start carving his face on Mt. Rushmore and spray paint it orange!
Ending the FED would only be one part of what is needed….as Damon Vrabel has warned, years back, ending the FED simply cuts off the funnel to the central banking system in which another funnel more than likely would be legislated with the controlled CONgress in no time.
Plato,
I know it wouldn’t be the end game…but at least it would put the people/Republic back in the game.
Hell, lets get the real war out in the open!
He is simply no different than most of the other presidents of the US. No reason to get hysterical over this one.
I don’t think anyone is getting hysterical over it. You are correct, it’s an unfortunate fact that he is hardly different from other American presidents. The author and many of us in the comments are merely pointing out that there was nothing good or just about the first gulf war, and that bush has a lot of blood on his hands, which is how he should be remembered.
Stirring the cesspool of media land
Bye bye you old cunt. Rest in shit.
I would respectfully want to remind those of us who loudly cheered these freemansonic evil-doers on
– all of them – every time they started a war and America sang and cheered “We’ll put a boot in yer a** its the America way!” And “God bless America” (He no longer does) louder and clearer as the rockets red glare and our bombs burst over many foreign cities killing countless innocent people, including children and grandma and grandpa – we are just as guilty when we applaud evil. We sent our young and innocent boys and girls who quickly became wounded men and women into a battle they can never win because it was all a huge lie. Blood is also on our hands.
9/11 comes to mind when the politicos all stood together in one accord, people filled the churches that never went before, all for about 2 weeks then it was business as usual. The patriotic songs were created and sung and everybody cheered even louder, the yellow ribbons hung on fences and trees, (as if a ribbon would stop the killing!) Bush junior quoted something like “We’ll build it all back…blah, blah” a Biblical quote in the book of Isaiah from a murderer who spoke the lies.
A Holy God will not be mocked.
I went out and bought more ammo and guns after 9/11…I mean Bush told us if we didn’t then the terrorist have won . Best advice he ever gave.
So who realllllyyy are the terrorists in your mind, BUCKHED?
He lived life in darkness, and will continue in darkness throughout eternity, and his soul will be wiped clean from existence.
I refuse to elevate anyone to the level sainthood after they die, absolutely no one. That said, I have observed that man has been at war since he first walked on this earth. When you figure out how to stop it give me a call. Bush was neither a Hitler or a Stalin and to call him a murderer is most unusual. Your opinion of him and the war is just that, your opinion.
ONe thing stands out, when he told us back in the early 1990’s he was creating a New World Order at his speech to the UN. He WAS the deep state and dont forget thendirector of the cia. One of the most unpatriotic people in power ever. Also, his famous, no new taxes quote, 6 months before raising taxes. Rot in hell.
Hey! Bush DADA meant no new Texas! He was just a bit dyslexic and said Taxes instead….So you will note there is no new Texas so he kept his promise! Woo Hoo! /sarc
Just in case anyone wonders, my personal opinion of the entire bush clan is lower than the earth’s core.
Also, according to MKUltra victims the scumbag was a pedophile.
i’ve gotta hand it to george,he seems to be a great unifer–
between all the posts on this platform about him over the last few days,he’s been blasted by the likes of maxine waters,the racist anti semitic jack lovett who says he hates america got more up votes on his anti bush post then i’ve ever seen him receive,columnists & commenters who detest america got upvotes–
questions–
has there been a potus in your lifetime who was both effective & of whom you approved of his conduct in office?
do you live in a house that you own,as opposed to a house that the govt owns?
is that house powered by electricity?
do you travel by a gas powered automobile?
it’s a tough world out there francis,toughen up son–