ALERT: Coronavirus Pandemic Event Now A Serious Risk

Via Peak Prosperity

The details are still sketchy, but this is a careful summary of what’s known from the Imperial College of London’s disease specialists.

Importantly, the period between infection and detection is thought to be 5-6 days.  Another 4-5 days between symptoms and detection.

They note that the initial report/alert to the WHO was Dec 31st 2019.  Wuhan airport was closed down yesterday, 1/22/20.

They also noted that “Total volume of international travel from Wuhan over the last two months has been 3,301 passengers per day”  So … 3,301 x 22 days = in excess of 72,000 possibly infected carriers that went who knows where.

Source – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

Background
On the 31st December 2019, the World Health Organization (WHO) China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown aetiology in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China [1]. A novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) related to the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome virus (MERS-CoV) and the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome virus (SARS-CoV) has since been implicated [2].

As of 4 a.m. 21st January (Beijing Time) 2020, 440 cases (including nine deaths) have been confirmed across 13 provinces in China, plus suspected cases in multiple other provinces [3]. As of 9:00 GMT 22nd January 7 confirmed cases in travellers from Wuhan with symptom onset on or before the 18th January were detected outside mainland China in Thailand (3 cases), Japan (1 case), South Korea (1 case), Taiwan (1 case) and the United States (1 case) [4–10]. Chinese authorities have also confirmed evidence of human-to-human transmission, as well as 15 cases in healthcare workers [11,12]. Of these cases, four travelled before exit screening in Wuhan International Airport was introduced on 15th January [13], three (South Korea, Taiwan, USA) on or after.

Using the number of cases detected outside mainland China with who had disease onset by 18th January, it is possible (see Report 1 [14]) to infer the number of clinically comparable cases within Wuhan City that may have occurred thus far. Here we update our estimates to account for the additional international exported cases (7 cases).

Summary
We estimate that a total of 4,000 cases of 2019-nCoV in Wuhan City (uncertainty range: 1,000 – 9,700) had onset of symptoms by 18th January 2020 (the last reported onset date of any case) [15].

Our estimates should not be interpreted as implying the outbreak has doubled in size in the period 12th January to 18th January – delays in confirming and reporting exported cases and incomplete information about dates of symptom onset together with the still very small numbers of exported cases mean we are unable to estimate the epidemic growth rate at the current time.

This estimate is based on the following assumptions:

  • Wuhan International Airport has a catchment population of 19 million individuals [1].
  • There is a mean 10-day delay between infection and detection, comprising a 5-6 day incubation period [16,17]  and a 4-5 day delay from symptom onset to detection/hospitalisation of a case (the cases detected in Thailand and Japan were hospitalised 3 and 7 days after onset, respectively) [4,18].
  • Total volume of international travel from Wuhan over the last two months has been 3,301 passengers per day. This estimate is derived from the 3,418 foreign passengers per day in the top 20 country destinations based on 2018 IATA data [19], and uses 2016 IATA data held by Imperial College London to correct for the travel surge at Chinese New Year present in the latter data (which has not happened yet this year) and for travel to countries outside the top 20 destination list.
  • Exit screening (which reportedly came into force on the 15th January [13]) had no impact on exported cases reported up to 16th January. Exit screening may have reduced exports in recent days, in which case our baseline prediction may be an underestimate of the true number of cases in Wuhan.
  • We assume all cases in travellers flying to destinations outside mainland China are being detected at those destinations. This may well not be the case. If cases are being missed in other countries, our baseline prediction will underestimate the true number of cases in Wuhan.
  • We now report uncertainty as the range spanned by the 95% confidence intervals of the first three scenarios in Table 1. Thus, our uncertainty range represents uncertainty in key assumptions as well as statistical assumptions.

Additional caveats

  1. We assume that outbound trip durations are long enough that an infected Wuhan resident travelling internationally will develop symptoms and be detected overseas, rather than being detected after returning to Wuhan. We also do not account for the fact that international visitors to Wuhan (such as the case who was detected in Japan) might be expected to have a shorter duration of exposure and thus a lower infection risk than residents. Accounting for either factor correctly requires additional data but would increase our estimate of the total number of cases.

  2. We estimate the potential number of symptomatic cases with disease severity of a level requiring hospitalisation (both the cases detected in Thailand and Japan were moderately severe). Our estimates do not include cases with mild or no symptoms.

  3. The incubation period of 2019-nCov is not known and has been approximated with the estimates obtained for MERS-CoV and SARS [16,17].

  4. We assume that international travel is independent of the risk of exposure to 2019n-CoV and of infection status. If zoonotic exposure were biased towards wealthier people, travel frequency may be correlated with exposure. Also, some travel might be causally linked to infection status (to seek healthcare overseas) or the infection status of contacts in Wuhan (this may apply to the case detected in Japan) [18]. Accounting for either association would increase the probability of a case travelling and therefore reduce our estimates of the total number of cases.

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White Rationalist
White Rationalist
January 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Got full face mask with P100 cartridges?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  White Rationalist
January 24, 2020 12:39 am

Walk it off you pussies……

Why yes I do….Fully stocked for Ebola WHO protocols to support a small community of 30. Who is ready for Capt Tripps or a field trip to Raccoon City?

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James
James
  Martel's Hammer
January 24, 2020 9:52 am

Well,if I can hang out with Alice (Milla Jovovich),well,where the hell is the bus to Raccoon City!

We go Captain Tripps route,I want to be trashcan man!

Hyperborean
Hyperborean
January 23, 2020 12:54 pm

Man, this is everyday shit in Central Africa.

Apple
Apple
January 23, 2020 12:54 pm

When the death toll hits a million with forty million infected, wake me up.

dilligaf
dilligaf
January 23, 2020 1:04 pm

Sars, swine flu, ebola…. just more fear porn.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  dilligaf
January 23, 2020 7:42 pm

Seems China has now quarantined over 23 million people, which is more than the population of Florida…the hospitals are begging for medical supplies, people are collapsing in the streets….there’s now a case in Texas as well as Washington and a fatality outside of China. The pig virus killed millions of hogs, humans are very genetically close to hogs.

Doubt this is fear porn at this point…too many people affected, go look at the images. You don’t quarantine 23 million people for a ‘run of the mill’ outbreak. Now Phillippines has it and the Phillipines aren’t noted for their 21st century medicine and hygiene.

Also:

“Another expert warned that there could already be as many as 4,000 cases of coronavirus in Wuhan, meaning that the vast majority of infections likely haven’t yet been reported”

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 10:08 pm

Seems the situation is getting worse….The outbreak is mostly in China but with travel the disease is spreading to other countries….it also seems that human to human spread is the major source of infection rather than animal to human. The problem is this is spread via air making it far more contagious than say Ebola which required direct contact with bodily fluids.

“The early evidence “was most consistent with limited human-to-human transmissibility, however more recent data seem to be increasingly more compatible with scenario 2 in which sustained human-to-human transmission has been occurring,” the team reported. The senior author of the paper was Gabriel Leung, dean of medicine at the university.
If it seems like every person who managed to escape Wuhan is carrying the virus, here’s one possible explanation: the WHO estimated that the coronavirus has a Ro (a measure of how contagious a virus is) of 2, equivalent to the Spanish flu that sickened 500 million during the first half of the 20th century. The common flu, by comparison, has a Ro of 0.9.”

Four ‘generations’ of spread seen with virus in China, alarming experts

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 23, 2020 1:25 pm

Fear the government “response” far more than the virus. Just another “opportunity” they will not let go to waste.

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  MrLiberty
January 23, 2020 1:30 pm

First they find ancient viruses frozen in glaciers, then we have an outbreak of a weird virus. I don’t know, surely a government that covers up Epstein and WTC conspiracies would let us know what’s going on here…

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 23, 2020 5:29 pm

The bioweapons lab at Ft. Detrick has been working on species-killing viruses since created decades ago. You don’t need to dig anything up, just send an order to them.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  MrLiberty
January 23, 2020 11:36 pm

Seems 4chans are saying this is a bio-weapon…comment image?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=f4b0d2fc79d0b56951efddc4767fed247ff04be7-1579840242-0-AUeRb3-K8TH8S5q3BpvmGRxzJmjYPdwSWgcWxH8QlUUHa7j19tOB9bZBKvfV7Enev3zbPBRQJAdFjQWO-53tKol5HUyhyQhUDLu2u_WYFiuoq0n2uxlzX-VpznzT8AhJKVJy5wT6Di6jh35Zp3PzHwYIlZL8eO2JeFNvgsPB460VhSV3SKDu00jBzhBRQxXUJ0bzNePPmpKl6xl2drIg9u1fAvq_vmrcK0095wd6Vw1HUCRhwsTaqs7JEDOJgCBc6V_rnGo-eC4mhlTbHAn2zWQZzeXxFB8NkLxJ_eXQsChoy_tkP1-74DY3Z2kqF_ejG1bQZYhhU-AL5EIasNJkhNqISUz2oe2YNy_e5SrSFrYc0V0sswVHvqpq7OLSz_i2XlgZ9KN_DSiWNYm_a9M-WM0

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  MrLiberty
January 24, 2020 12:48 am

Lyme disease probably came from Plum Island….a bioweapon research facility of Long Island…..great striped bass fishing but if you get too close in your boat security comes screaming down there with lights blazing…….ask me how I know……we flipped them off from a safe distance….

Warren
Warren
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 24, 2020 9:57 am

Yup. If in doubt about how evil our guberment can get, just look up Operation Northwoods

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 1:49 pm

Has there been any change in our border control or immigration since this became an issue?

No.

How many ChiComs do you think have gotten off a plane onto US soil since this became an issue?

More than 1?

So why bother even mentioning it?

So it is either false or they want a pandemic to spread. There do not appear to be any other options.

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 3:01 pm

Has there been any change in our border control or immigration since Trump was elected?

No.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 23, 2020 3:12 pm

Huge increase.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 5:41 pm

I think this thing is going hot. I just watched a group of people looking for homeless people give a homeless guy a shot in the Lowe’s parking lot near pro service.

I was talking to one and he said he never seen that before.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  StackingStock
January 24, 2020 6:16 am

So I went to Lowe’s yesterday to pick up 4 pallets of flooring, it wasn’t ready, so I had to wait a bit for them to get it. I saw a local homeless guy and some lowe’s people on the side of the building and went over to talk to them.

We’re shooting the crap and a man and women walk up and ask everyone in the group 5 of us if we’re homeless, funny the homeless guy says nope and we all said no. Then the man asks again and more aggressive if we are homeless, I then said asked and answered Sir. They then said do you know of anyone that is homeless, homeless guy said nope.

The Man and Woman team were in the parking lot and they then gave a homeless meth head beaner a shot of something right there and the homeless guy we were talking to said he had never seen anything like that before and the Lowe’s guys were going ballistic seeing that also.

I saw their medical van and tried to Googled it when I got home and found nothing, the homeless guy ( Paul) said he will keep an eye out for it, I said get me pictures please, I said good night and stay safe.

It was a weird scene.

Warren
Warren
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 10:03 am

If you wanted to spread a pandemic from Red China, you would do it just before the Tet New Year, because millions of Chinese travel from the city to visit their homes in the rural areas, (think airports, crowded planes, trains, and buses) and from abroad to Red China, and then back to the cities and to their residents abroad, and many of these are students who go home for their Winter break, and return to places, like College Station Texas, as one just did who may have the virus

Cynical Old Turd
Cynical Old Turd
January 23, 2020 1:57 pm

Let me know when several of the big, liberal, shithole cities in the US have been blocked off due to quarantine and are going full Mad Max inside. Until we get to that point, I’m not going to take this stuff serious.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 23, 2020 1:58 pm

Looks like they have quarantined two more cities in China.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Anonymous
January 23, 2020 5:54 pm

There are now three quarantined cities in China and this is happening during the Chinese New Year, the busiest traffic and holiday season of the year. An equivalency would be shutting down Houston, San Diego and Atlanta during Thanksgiving/Christmas.

The official numbers of fatalities and infected doesn’t warrant this level of quarantine, it would seem the numbers are off a tad, or the severity and infectiousness of the illness is being understated.

The twitter feed show a person collapsing and some other photos of people lying in the street….

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1220399485206982656?s=19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-7s84UEAAG8TR?format=jpg&name=4096×4096

niebo
niebo
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 6:12 pm
niebo
niebo
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 6:15 pm

And the Guardian says the Chinese are NOT testing all patients, so count could be WAY higher

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/21/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-not-testing-patients-say-relatives?CMP=share_btn_tw

mark
mark
  Anonymous
January 23, 2020 6:34 pm

Anyone have any experience with using Colloidal Silver with an Ultra Sonic Cool Mist Humidifier or a Nebulizer to cure a respiratory virus?

I have been using Colloidal Silver for 5 years with amazing results…I mean amazing…but not as explained in this vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O00Kehl_hak&list=PLxYKttQGhzozswLz4Sx64G_Io6ab8TP-q&index=2&t=0s

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  mark
January 23, 2020 9:07 pm

Too much and you’ll turn blue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

Hell Yea!
Hell Yea!
  YourAverageJoe
January 23, 2020 9:36 pm

YourAverageHealthyAmerican
YourAverageHealthyAmerican
  mark
January 23, 2020 9:41 pm

Joe,

Do your own research…Big Phama would loose countless BILLIONS if the truth were known, and the scare tactics you sent wern’t trolled by (I suspect) them.

The first book is the best, and from personal experience with Shingles, colds, sore throats, chronic upper resporiaty chech infections, and an ear infection its prevention or 75% reduction of time & pain (Shingles) is true.

FDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value

FDA Protects Big Pharma Products by Declaring that Silver Has No Therapeutic Value

Colloidal Silver: Safe and Effective? (When Not to Use)
https://wellnessmama.com/130001/colloidal-silver/

Testimonies of Colloidal Silver users:
http://www.healthychristianliving.com/Testimonies%20of%20Colloidal%20Silver%20users.htm

ottomatik
ottomatik
  mark
January 23, 2020 10:16 pm

Do you make your own with .999 and a battery?

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  ottomatik
January 23, 2020 10:45 pm

I can / do; you don’t want to use silver-plated anything, no Sterling (0.93) items or any old water to make it. I use distilled water, 0.999+ silver wire and a three-battery array of 9V. It takes about 15 minutes to make 8 oz or so of colloidal silver solution, and it keeps at least three weeks (as long as I’ve needed to store it). Keep the copper wires out of the solution to prevent contamination.

mark
mark
  James the Deplorable Wanderer
January 23, 2020 11:15 pm

Thanks James…actually doing it has been on my Prep list, looks like a good time to finally just jump in.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  James the Deplorable Wanderer
January 24, 2020 12:54 pm

Thank you.

mark
mark
  ottomatik
January 23, 2020 11:15 pm

onottomatik

Not yet but I have everything.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  mark
January 24, 2020 12:53 pm

Me too.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  mark
January 24, 2020 9:02 am

Mark, I wonder if Vaping it would work just as well?

RT
RT
  mark
January 24, 2020 11:25 am

You can also use 3% Hydrogen Peroxide in your nebulizer. Works great for sore throats.

Realestatepup
Realestatepup
January 23, 2020 2:12 pm

Stock up on liquid liposomal Vitamin C. At first signs of a sniffle or body ache, take 3000 MG every 10 minutes until tissue saturation. If you are sick, tissue saturation will take longer. If you’re not sick, you will have diarrhea after 6000 MG or so.
If your sick, continue taking 3000 MG every ten minutes for 24 hours if possible.
I had horrible, horrible pneumonia about 3 years ago in Las Vegas, which I now suspect was possibly legionnaires from the shitty AC units on the roof. My fever spiked to 104, I was delirious and had to reschedule my flight as I could not fly. Never been so sick in my life.
Super dosed on C, and was better in 72 hours. Because this is a virus, there are NO ANTIBIOTICS FOR IT. NOR IS THERE CURRENTLY A VACCINE.
High dose, liquid liposomal Vitamin C works. I have it stocked at home every fall/winter.
Took it this past December for strep, gone in 48 hours.
Do not underestimate this virus. It could mutate again given the original vector was most likely a bat.
If you live in Boston, New York, LA, then you need this. If you work in an airport, get it. Wear a mask at all times if you have to travel via airport or train from any major area. Stay away from public restrooms if at all possible.
Stay out of any Chinatown.
If you don’t have to go to a hospital, don’t.
You cannot overdose on Vitamin C. Check any meds you are taking for possible interactions, and if you are on steroid therapy, then stay home because these will suppress your immune system.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-deadly-infections-be-cured-vitamin-c-180963843/
But of course there is zero money to be made treating people with this, so you don’t hear about it.
Everyone on TBP knows we have to be self-reliant and this is part of that.
Pass the info on you never know who’s life you are saving.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Realestatepup
January 23, 2020 2:37 pm

50 cloves of garlic, 1 large horseradish root peeled and shredded, three or four hot peppers of your choice (I prefer ghost peppers, or habaneros) chopped, three or four sprigs of oregano. Place all of these into a quart sized Mason jar and fill up to the top with pure apple cider vinegar. Shake vigorously every day and keep refrigerated. After about a week or so pour into a second Mason jar, straining out solids through a sieve or cheese cloth.

A tablespoon in the morning and another in the evening if you can take it straight or add to a glass of juice or tea.

~L
~L
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 3:27 pm

Interesting.

Serious question…
Since horseradish root gets shredded, do you leave garlic cloves and peppers whole? Or cut / mince them to release active ingredients.

Where the hell did you discover that concoction, and how long have you been effectively using it?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  ~L
January 23, 2020 5:29 pm

I usually de-paper the cloves by crushing them with the palm of my hand, but don’t do anymore than that. The peppers are better whole because they are way too potent if you chop them up.

This was something my wife stumbled on about ten years ago when she got the flu. It knocked it out almost instantly. I use it daily as a tonic for general purposes; breathing, digestion, anti-bacterial/viral/fungal whatever.

~L
~L
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 6:53 pm

Thx for responding.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 9:06 am

Just a suggestion. If you crush the garlic, let it sit out in the air before you work with it, the oxygen will release the allicin, which is the organic sulfur compound which makes garlic anti bacterial/viral/fungal.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Sounds tasty. Have you tried making the concoction a cocktail by adding medicinal amounts of vodka?

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  Pequiste
January 23, 2020 5:52 pm

Peqquer, one of the janitors (white dude) gave me a recipe: 1:1 gin and OJ. Since I quit drinking, I will have to use HF’s formula.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 23, 2020 6:55 pm

LMAO…at the nickname tag.

Subwo
Subwo
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 23, 2020 9:03 pm

thanks HF. I did your 52 Clove garlic and it cured my cold. I took leftover soup and froze into ice cubes. 2 cubes in hot water each morning keeps it away.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Realestatepup
January 23, 2020 5:32 pm

I have heard various things about various liposomal products on the market (specifically Dr. Mercola’s). Do you have a favorite maker/product to “recommend?”

Oh, and IV vitamin C therapy has been more or less “banned” by the FDA shuttering all the compounding labs that were making it for folks. Its as if they WANT people to be sick (sarcasm intended….of course they do).

TampaRed
TampaRed
  MrLiberty
January 23, 2020 10:48 pm

liberty,
you’re just a bit paranoid & mixed up-
“they” don’t want you to be sick,they’re just concerned that you use safe meds,and we all know if we’ll admit it that only big pharma has safe/effective meds–
you need to post an apology 4 posting what you posted–

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  TampaRed
January 24, 2020 1:26 pm

Nope, won’t apologize. I have no issues with liposomal vit. C. I have read some reviews of various ones that say it is not really liposomal, etc. I just want to spend my money wisely and would appreciate some input from a user that is happy with their product. I know that the liposomal version makes taking larger doses easier on the digestive system. And I have received a 50g vit. C IV in the past, but know, from speaking with the doctor directly, that he can no longer get the vit. C needed to continue offering this. Many articles on many natural medicine websites have noted the recent shutdown of the vit. C pipeline. And given how effective vit. C high does therapy is in fighting cancer and so many other diseases, I would say that there is an agenda when you effectively ban something so safe. And if your post was sarcasm, you should be clear. Some pretty wacko comments come out of left field on this site. So does anyone have a liposomal vit. C they like using???

James
James
January 23, 2020 2:13 pm

Eh,nature has been overdue for a house cleaning of the humans.

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  James
January 23, 2020 2:59 pm

The humans. You sound like a specie-ist dick.

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 23, 2020 5:53 pm

Shaddup, assholes. James is my buddy, he knows I’m kidding.

james's alter ego
james's alter ego
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 24, 2020 5:44 am

i think you hurt james feelings

James
James
  james's alter ego
January 24, 2020 9:48 am

Eh,I leave me “feelings”behind when I get on the net!

James
James
January 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Of more important news is today is John Brownings birthday,thanks buddy.

Any here who do not know of him all I can ask is”Why are you on this site?!”

James's alter ego
James's alter ego
  James
January 24, 2020 5:13 am

this one?

James
James
  James's alter ego
January 24, 2020 9:49 am

Sigh…….,think 1911

ottomatik
ottomatik
January 23, 2020 2:50 pm

I wonder if there is a patent on Corona19 ?
I also wonder if the holder of the patent has anything to do with the Gates Foundation.
Will a “cure” emerge, what would be the most profitable presentation of the cure?
Long latency’s can be very dangerous.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  ottomatik
January 23, 2020 4:40 pm

There is a patent and Bill Gates owns it.
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4245015/pg1

Pequiste
Pequiste
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 5:18 pm

If true that would certainly be first tier Evil Fucker methodology.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 8:43 pm

There was a “drill” last October sponsored by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and The John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Fancy that, why dontcha? H/T Montagraph

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

Here is a video of the drill event.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  ottomatik
January 23, 2020 5:15 pm

Could a mandatory vaccine be coming down the pike soon?

StackingStock
StackingStock
  TN Patriot
January 23, 2020 9:41 pm

Only if it has the chip in it.

just a thought
just a thought
January 23, 2020 5:51 pm

A new sickness for an already sick society
SNL will have us laugh all the way to Hades.
If this the self correction ÷ hope not

2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
  just a thought
January 23, 2020 6:10 pm

SNL was funny the first year. Even then, as old Pangloss observed, the humor was lame. He particularly hated an adult version of MAD, I forgot the name of it, oh yeah – National Lampoon Magazine.

M G
M G
  2020 - The Year of High Alerts (EC)
January 24, 2020 11:06 am

Gilda Radner was a gifted comedian and a wonderful person. I wonder if HSF crossed paths with her?

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
January 23, 2020 6:38 pm

Back when the earth was cooling, I was a microbiologist at an advanced level…worked in bio-containment lab environment. Then, on occasion would help out county authorities with localized epidemics of STDs and food poisoning outbreaks.

Some basic facts:

1) High level of infectiousness and a long latency time between being able to transmit the virus and going acute is “double-plus un-good”.

2) You will NEVER hear the truth about an epidemic, let alone a pandemic, from “the authorities”. Did I note “NEVER”?

3) The story so far is that this is currently lethal only to old and other immuno-compromised individuals. If the infection rate here blossoms, we’ll get a better sense of infection rate from the growth curve of cases.

4) If it starts killing off young and reasonably healthy, we will know the lie in #3.

5) If it starts increasing lethality above 3-4% at the same time cases double every week, then (and only then) is it time to get REALLY concerned.

In the meantime, it does not hurt to curtail visits to airports, train stations, etc…just stay away from crowds in general.

Remember, there are only about 900,000 hospital beds in the US. An infection rate of 3% across the country, with symptoms requiring medical assistance, will use every one.

Actually, SHTF at even half-saturation of beds but I try to keep a happy thought.

Da P

Donkey
Donkey
  Da Perfessor
January 23, 2020 9:36 pm

Wouldn’t 3% be more like 9,000,000?

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
  Donkey
January 23, 2020 9:57 pm

Oh, CRAP, Donkey!

THANK YOU for catching that…yeah, the dodgy router I am working off of missed the “0.” before the “3%” and I was caught up with a sudden blitz of calls and texts and did not get back to it until now. Bottom line, I appreciate you, Donkey!

Still, I have no excuse for letting that glaring error get by.

My apologies to all and I am sorry that the reality is actually worse than reported so far.

Just in from ZH, lethality up 50% from previously reported.:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-quarantines-second-city-experts-warn-its-already-too-late-stop-virus

Wait until we get reports indicating over 4%….and a significant die-off rate in the young and healthy. That is where the real problem will be, if it happens. There is not much so terrible as to watch as a cytokine storm in a young, healthy person.

It’s never time to panic but it is now time to pull back from unnecessary excursions into society.

Da P

M G
M G
  Da Perfessor
January 24, 2020 5:16 am

imho, almost all excursions involving people are optional these days.

Warren
Warren
  Da Perfessor
January 24, 2020 10:07 am

And there are less than 10 BL 4 beds in the USA

WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
January 23, 2020 7:18 pm

wont be long before this is gone

FROM THE WORLD HEATH ORGANIZATION IN 2012

“it appears that the novel coronavirus cannot be easily transmitted from person-to-person.”

GET YOUR VACCINES
EVERY YEAR……
A NEW CRISIS

SARS

SWINE FLU

EBOLA

BIRD FLU

WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
  WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
January 23, 2020 7:27 pm

GOT TO PUT THE LINK FOR THEM TO REMOVE
https://www.who.int/csr/don/2012_09_28/en/

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
January 23, 2020 9:41 pm

That was 2012, viruses do mutate…..Now pay attention, this one is new, not seen before….

A never-before-seen virus detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan has claimed at least 18 lives and infected hundreds of Chinese citizens with a pneumonia-like illness, according to China’s National Health Commission. The virus was first reported to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31 and has been under investigation since. Chinese scientists have linked the disease to a family of viruses known as coronaviruses, which include the deadly SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-reaches-us-everything-we-know-about-the-deadly-virus/

WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 23, 2020 10:12 pm

lol

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
January 23, 2020 11:43 pm

Can’t fix stupid and seems you are stupid….lol

M G
M G
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 24, 2020 5:21 am

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This one’s funny…

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
  WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!
January 23, 2020 10:22 pm

You forgot the “/sarc” tag there.

The main reason I quit a career in medical microbiology is because I was at odds, based upon mathematics, with the “inherited wisdom” of the virtues of vaccination.

If there is a demand (total of votes up or down over 30), I could probably still come up with a credible short piece regarding the “risk vs reward” aspect of vaccinations.

Here would be one short, anecdotal, piece of the pie:

I have yet to meet anyone who religiously received the latest flu shot and did not get the flu or follow-on symptoms from the shot that were at least as incapacitating as the flu itself.

Also anecdotal, because I do not work in the field anymore, a fraction of those receiving the flu shot (about 1-2%) fall victim to life-altering side effects of generalized long-term paralysis or worse.

Last but not least, do we even KNOW what is going into vaccines these days? They (producers) only test for contaminants that they know about and regard as problematic.

The level of training…and caution today is not what it used to be.

If this virus hits 10 Million in the US, there will be a lot of damage to the health-care system given the existing presentation of acute symptoms.

ER’s will be shut down, “Urgent Care Centers” (Docs in a Box) – ditto.

Main symptoms are pulmonology related and we only have about 15,o00 of those specialists in the US.

Am I into panic?

Nope…but if this sucker hits a regional 10% infection rate and recent worldwide history of 5% mortality of those infected, I am done going to work…and so is my wife….until it passes.

We are in the country. We worry about our kids who chose the city life.

Da P

Gilberts
Gilberts
  Da Perfessor
January 24, 2020 1:29 am

I believe in the theory of vaccination as a means of disease prevention. I do not, however, believe Big Pharma is a reliable partner. Every time I got the flu shot (not since the military), I got sick, too. Everyone I knew also got sick. And every year, they claim people like me are crazy. Everyone I’ve talked to about it also noticed they got sick, too.

I do not believe, but I would not be surprised to learn, Big Pharma or other parties are using vaccinations for their own research or other shitfuckery. I knew a neurosurgeon once who defended the Tuskegee experiments as valid research, because they produced vital results. My argument with him was without informed consent, it was a crime. The morality of it didn’t sway him. He believed the results and the benefit to all was more important than the costs to the individual unwitting test subjects. I doubt he is the only scientist who wasn’t concerned with morality. I bet there are a lot of people who would pull that trigger if they had the opportunity. So I would not be surprised if vaccines are not 100% reliable.

Also, I know a family with 2 girls. They don’t do vaccines. They were doing delayed vaccinations, but quit after their girls got a cocktail of 3 shots during a checkup. Their oldest did fine, but their youngest (I think she was about 3) literally has a different personality. In the years since, I’ve seen the younger girl is totally different. She went from being a nice, pleasant, dutiful little girl to a raging, nasty, aggressive little monster. She turned red for a while, got sick at the time, and was never the same person afterwards. It was strange.

BTW- if you’re in the military and facing mandatory vaccinations you don’t want, you might want to discover you suffer from eczema or psoriasis and report that shit. According to a medic I talked to years ago, those two conditions will get you off the list for most vaccinations. You’ll get the flu mist, instead of the shot, but you won’t have to get the anthrax. It certainly worked for me. I never got the anthrax and I’m thankful for that. Everyone I knew who got that shit was not happy about it.

M G
M G
  Gilberts
January 24, 2020 5:24 am

Did you ever get the gamma globulin shot in the ass? (It was mandatory for Saudi Arabia deployments for a while… it burned going in and for a long time one’s ass would be purple.)

A doctor told me the GG shot was a totally worthless preventative measure, but they did it anyway.

Gilberts
Gilberts
  M G
January 24, 2020 1:14 pm

I think guys called it the peanut butter shot. I never had to get it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  M G
January 24, 2020 7:22 pm

Ah, I do not fondly remember the Mil-G-24139 vaccination I got my first night at my new command.

Warren
Warren
  Da Perfessor
January 24, 2020 10:15 am

I learned my lesson back in the 70s, when Jimmy Carter conned me into taking that Swine Flue vaccine, which almost killed me, so hard pass on guberment vaccines, and besides, if vaccines are harmless, then why do they have warning labels, and if they are not harmless how can they be mandatory? (rhetorical question)

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 12:25 am

What are the odds of this calamity coming right on the heels of that war with Iran?

What’s that? It didn’t happen? How weird is that?

I could have sworn that WWIII was fer sure.

Fear. Fear. Fear.

24/7/365

It is, quite literally, all they have. Or lies. That too.

Give this three weeks and see if you can find a single story about it posted anywhere. Probably less. News cycles aren’t what they used to be.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 12:57 am

If we don’t do what the government says….People will DIE! (Bernie) if we do what the gubmint says People will DIE!….either way we are dead!

Try not to touch your face for 10 mins…..impossible…..people will die!

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 1:01 am

So the ChiComs are quarantining 23 million people to create fear porn? Sneaky little slant eyed devils, they’re going to destroy their GDP and economy so we can have fear porn. Gotcha…

dilligaf
dilligaf
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 24, 2020 1:08 am

Mygirl….Maybe, Chicken Little Definitely

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  dilligaf
January 24, 2020 9:22 am

When armies are brought out and 40 MILLION are quarantined then perhaps there is a tiny little cause for concern? Then again, methinks those who don’t want to see that tiny little cause for concern are whistling past the graveyard….
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/please-help-us-supply-shortages-rock-wuhan-outbreak-overwhelms-chinese-healthcare

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 24, 2020 9:03 am

We won’t know whether this is the new Spanish Flu of 1918 for another couple of months…..Long Tail outcomes are by definition low probability but of concern because if the event does occur it is significant. So most likely not a serious pandemic but worthy of caution.

Warren
Warren
  Mygirl....Maybe
January 24, 2020 10:22 am

Yea, because folks running around in BL 4 suits to pick up people who are literally falling down in the streets is all for show. Not fear porn, this is TPTB covering up something, 30 million are under quarantine and the US MSM is covering…….. Trump/impeachment.

M G
M G
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 5:33 am

It is because we are about to enter the fifth generation of Communication Technology, which is somewhat akin to the Fifth Dimension as far as the quantum theory kooks go.

When I took actual “Newswriting” classes, Jack Willis (the old crotchety editor professor)

Get it First, but First, Get it from Someone Who Knows.

He explained that while having the “scoop” is important, it was more important, if you ended up being wrong, to have someone else to blame. He told the class that as a sort of joke, but I had been in the military for ten years and saw immediately he was telling the truth.

Somehow, I wish it had been more along the lines of “Get it Right, First and then Everyone Needs To Know.”

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 24, 2020 11:56 am

I dunno HSF. This has a different “feel” to it than the prior scares of pandemics.

The fear porn on this is coming from the folks on the ground and being transmitted via the web. Near as I can tell, the MSM is giving the issue very little attention.

ChiComs are acting very scared in locking down so many millions. It makes one wonder whether they are trying to keep people in OR would prefer that nobody “unapproved” can get in to document reality worse than what the authorities portray. The latter reason is more easily successful than the former.

Da P

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
January 25, 2020 7:26 am

More treatment recommendations from Dr. Sircus:

Treatment Recommendations For New Virus That Is Shutting Down Entire Cities