TRUST THE SCIENCE – RIGHT????

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realestatepup
realestatepup
December 13, 2020 4:30 pm

You cannot have a rational discussion with anyone about masks vs no masks. If they believe the masks work, that’s it.
Case in point:
I was at a bar last night (yes, they are still open FOR NOW). My friend was sitting next to me. He had Covid back in March or April I believe.
So, per real science, he is now immune via antibodies at first then TCells later on. The discussion came up that last call is 9:30 which I thought was ludicrous. He said it made sense. Ok, I tell him, walk me through how it makes sense.
Well, he says, it’s been shown that higher alcohol intake equals less mask compliance.
So? I say, people can’t get drunk before 9:30? That makes no sense still.
Then I ask him, have you ever read the box your blue surgical paper mask comes in? No, he says, why? Well if you read the box it says in black and white the mask does not prevent or protect you from viral transmission.
So, then why to Surgeons wear them in the operating room? (Yes, this old chestnut). Well, I tell him, the entire room is sanitized, the surgeon and all OR personnel “scrub” in with antiseptic procedure, and all instruments are sanitized as well. The mask is only to stop spittle/mucous from leaving the surgeon’s mouth and entering an open wound. He just gives me the three blinks. So then I say, yet people STILL get infections from operations, that’s why they go on post-operative antibiotics.
Then I ask him, if we are at 80-90% “mask compliance” per an October Men’s Health article: “right now Massachusetts is the state with the highest number of people wearing masks, at 94.87 percent of the population” and we have been told that if the population would comply at 80% then cases would “plummet”: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says
So why are the CASES still going up? He had no answer. So then I bring up the PCR tests having their sensitivity ramped up to 40X . At which point, dead particles or such minute particles are being detected. Which is nonsense. I told him the threshold should be 30X.
So then I said, who cares about the cases? Deaths are down and have been down, about 40-50 per day recently, which in my opinion is simply winter death increases which is every year since the dawn of time.
He then tells me Well, my parents are high risk. Ok, I say, then they need to take all necessary precautions and let the rest of us, who have a 99% chance of recovery (if we even have symptoms) to just go ahead and live our
We can’t crash an entire country’s economy on the off chance that some people might die. That’s not how life works.
He has no viable, logical argument to this, so he just says I don’t agree with you and that’s why the government has to do something so people can get money.
Yes, just magically “get money”.
So I tell him, look, for your own edification, just do some research. Go look at how many people, in total, died in 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 and then look at this years numbers.
I happen to know he won’t. Most people won’t. They won’t because they are afraid to find out that they have been lied to, that there is a serious problem, that the “science” is not science at all, but might as well be just random ideas pulled out of a hat every day.
They truly, absolutely want to believe that this government won’t spy on you, take away your livelihood, crash the economy, inject you with some hocus-pocus “vaccine” that’s barely been tested. That BLM actually cares about black lives. That Antifa is actually anti-fascist. That the US of A will always be number one.
They desperately, and will every fiber of their being, want that to be true. Because if it’s not, then the reality of what’s coming is just too much for them to handle.
Which is what TPTB actually want.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  realestatepup
December 13, 2020 6:12 pm

Just think back to the last time you were “ripped off” or conned, or similar. How did that make you feel? Like a fool, like a victim, like an idiot, like you should have known better, like you should have seen it coming, like you never should have trusted that person/company, like you are never going to be so gullible again…. You pick.

Now amplify that on a global scale, to a global lie, that you were not only conned into, but actively voiced your support for (possibly even voting to support the lie).

It is NEVER going to be possible to get people to admit their gullibility on this one.

People still justify the millions of dead Afghanis, Iraqis, and US troops following 9-11, an incident that didn’t involve ANY of those folks (even if you are still gullible enough to believe the government’s lies).

MTD
MTD
  realestatepup
December 13, 2020 6:22 pm

It really is amazing just how many people have completely bought into this bullshit despite all evidence to the contrary. Think about how bad it is now and then add vaccinations/immunity passports to the equation for next year. I chuckle when I hear people talking about how glad they are that 2020 is almost over, as if things will magically get better when January 1st comes around.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  MTD
December 14, 2020 1:51 pm

Of course it will…..Biden’s our new president. LOL

I’m sure there were folks who celebrated the day Stalin was “elected,” and Hitler was made Chancellor and who thought that prosperity and utopia were right around the corner.

Ben Lurken
Ben Lurken
  realestatepup
December 13, 2020 7:35 pm

REP you always seem to echo what I would like to say but could not to the extent that you do. If someone knows you should they not be well aware you are well equipped with facts. Alas you answered in the last paragraph. Like many in my circles will say I agree except for the part about the 2 planes 3 buildings.

musket
musket
December 13, 2020 5:19 pm

Where I swim laps 6 days a week there are numerous men and women who while water jogging wear their masks religiously. A while back I tried to explain the atmosphere of the pool was so thoroughly chocked with chlorine from the pool that it would take an “iron man” caliber COVID bug to get them.

I stopped forever trying to engage anyone in that conversation. They are happy with their diapers and so be it.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  musket
December 13, 2020 10:05 pm

Auntie suggests the following; you leave the swimming pool/water jogger “believers” with a just-for-fun floating Baby Ruth chocolate candy treat!

That ought to get them all jacked up (more than they already are) about contamination and shit.

Llpoh
Llpoh
December 13, 2020 6:24 pm

Masks are not “the” answer. No study suggests that masks “prevent” much of anything. Masks “may” reduce the rate of transmission by 15%. So, say, if on average someone is giving the virus to 3 other people, they “may” only give it to 2.55 other people if masks are universally worn. And handled properly, etc. That will not stop rapid transmission of the virus.

I have always believed that masks actually increase transmission, as they encourage people to touch their faces and heads, which is how the virus spreads most effectively. Touch a surface, fiddle with your mask, touch a surface, fiddle with your mask, take your mask off after fiddling, put your mask back on now covered with whatever it is you touched, get the virus.

Don’t want the virus? Don’t touch your face, and sanitize your hands often. And don’t touch your damn face. Where are those messages? Masks my ass.

motley
motley
December 13, 2020 8:03 pm

Just wait until they release covid 2.0. Deniers will be persecuted. Just wait

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 13, 2020 9:07 pm

So, is anyone NPC kng face mask signs Yet? I’m doing a couple a day. Peolle are starting to notice but don’t know what NPC means though. But I’m getting addicted to being a subversive sneek.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
December 14, 2020 1:53 pm

Other than in places like Belarus and Sweden, where things were handled with some intelligence, EVERY country’s profile over time looks like this, as does EVERY state’s. Mask mandates or no mask mandates. This “virus” is going to do what it is going to do. The sooner everyone accepts that, the better off they will be, the sooner REAL herd immunity will arrive (though natural immunity that occurs from normal exposure and response), and the sooner we can all begin living with the FOREVER PRESENT virus in our world. It is NEVER GOING AWAY!!.

Monger
Monger
December 14, 2020 3:05 pm

A 100 agents across the country with an ingenious devise to spray a particle .05 -.2 microns, right in your face as they pass you in the store or an enclosed area. Just saying…. Hope the 3 letter agencies have a clue about what is possible, not that they care. The dispersal nozzles wouldn’t need to be wider than a human hair ? Masks will have little impact for a determined attack.

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
December 14, 2020 8:56 pm

The graphs have a certain logic.
(1) There is no test for Covid19; the PCR test is not suitable to test for it (said the inventor, before he died a little while back).
(2) IF there is no test, then ALL positive results are false positives. You could in fact have Covid19 (assuming it is real, and not a psyop), but the test can’t tell you whether you do or not; further, it apparently looks for things that are part of ALL coronaviruses (and even parts of normal human DNA) so if you EVER had a coronavirus (think common cold), then you will test positive. EVERYONE will test positive IF IT WORKS PROPERLY, so what does a NEGATIVE result tell you? (the test FAILED, was not done properly, or you’ve never had a cold and might not be human!).
(3) It is, however, known that wearing a face mask for extended periods WILL give you infections – as viruses and bacteria normally eliminated from the lungs by exhalation get caught on the mask, cultured, improved and mutated and re-introduced back to you from the mask you are wearing.
(4) Therefore, when a state mandates mask use, it creates among a massive population (who normally never wore masks and might not use them properly) a favorable environment to capture, culture and re-infect that population with entirely new, mutated, cultured or improved viruses unique to each member! That’s why the infection rates go up after mask mandates, they are detecting the viruses they in effect created by forcing the population to wear masks!
I do wear a mask in public (to blend in), but I wash them after use and stay home a lot (currently working from home). I’ve also been taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc for over a year now (read an article about zinc defeating cold infections). I didn’t get a flu shot last year, had no flu; not planning on getting the vaccine, think I’ll beat it without help. Hope that clears up some smoke for someone, science really isn’t that hard but people who aren’t scientists theorize.
(c.f. Mark Twain, “Figures don’t lie but liars figure”).