As a Christian who has Christian friends who voted for Joseph Biden for President, I am dismayed. These people with good will, but naïve hearts, have no idea what they have helped to unleash with their vote.
The fake religiosity of Pelosi and Biden are the classic lies of the Left to fool Good people. The brand of Marxism they project is the happy ending we all want. But this is, and has always been, based on the big lie of small people.
Small people that want to be big.
Small people that want to be important.
Small people that want to be powerful.
If you believe in the Biblical Revelation of John, it’s the work of the Beast. If you are not Christian, but yearn for America and Liberty, it’s still the worst of all worlds. Everyone loses. And yet, the Marxist lie so obvious to the educated few is not apparent to many Christians because they are looking through a short term lens for a happy ending.
That my Christian friends still voted for a political party now without a single Anti-Abortion Congressman needs no more discussion. Ditto that in 2012 the “official” Democrat Party Platform once referenced God but was removed and because of backlash, was reinstated. I will let you decide if God’s reinstatement was heartfelt.
Their vote for Biden was not a vote for Liberalism. It was a vote for the much different and more dangerous Left.
Here are some more close to home and slightly less obvious reasons why my Christian friends are wrong about the Democratic Party, and their current head of state, Joseph Biden.
The Christian Liberal thinks that electing Joseph Biden, even with close ties to Communist China, will bring equity and order without Civil Strife, just as many more did when they voted for Barack Obama. What they don’t understand is that the now Leftist controlled Democratic Party has embraced Communist tenets that have always resulted in the death and destruction of human beings everywhere, spiritually and physically. What will they say when peace only comes at the hand of a Police State and Communist lockdowns that destroys the human spirit with social credit scores, dividing people into tribes always at war with one another for Government spoils?
They think that Borders are bad because the richest country in the world should not shut out the world. What they don’t understand is that Open Borders will destroy the economic powerhouse that is the primary weapon against worldwide poverty and hunger and puts us first in disaster response anywhere in the world. What will they say when financial aid to impoverished countries like the Dominican Republic is limited or eliminated because our economic system has collapsed under the crushing weight of our no-border induced debt? What will they say when nobody responds to the next Earthquake in Indonesia?
They think that Love should be the only prerequisite for Marriage. What they don’t understand is that when equal societal status is given for Homosexual Marriage, the benefits for our culture granted from God with traditional families will be lost. What will they say when boys become gang members because of no Father role model in a safe and secure home? What will they say when you are forced to publically promote non-traditional Marriage personally or in your business that is against your strongly held faith or be bankrupted by Judges appointed by Leftists demanding you be re-educated?
They think that the Covid Pandemic is best handled with temporary Biden induced Lockdowns and Forever Masks so that infection, not fatality, rates are controlled and people can return to Church. What will they say when it becomes clear that the people they voted into office unleashed Covid to take down a Christian President and bring in a Global Reset (to stop hyperinflation from Central Bank money printing) and will continue with dehumanizing and nearly permanent Lockdowns because vaccines don’t prevent transmission? What will they say when every aspect of their lives is monitored by the Resetters for contact tracing and compliance to the Official Religion of Scientific Truth and a Godless New World Order?
They think that it is compassionate for the Church to believe in and even support someone’s gender dysphoria. What will they say when the MSM, schools and the Church are afraid to directly confront induced sexual confusion and the resulting child abuse mental illness that results in increased cases of Depression and Suicide well into adulthood? What will they say when all forms of gender madness leads to the absolute abolishment of the Science of biological sex, defying the natural state of human beings as defined by our Creator?
They think that the Church should – correctly – be open to all that enter it’s doors, but that the unredeemed can be placed in Leadership positions to show that the Church is non-discriminatory. What will they say when their Leftist Anti-Capitalist leadership destroys the very foundations of the Church, making the Church inconsequential and impotent as a follower, not promoter, of culture?
They think that the Left will let them be as they promote diversity and equality above all else, even if at the exclusion of their Biblically based views. What will they say when Christian Churches are closed and members sent to Communist reeducation camps to “de-brief” them on the sins of their faith that speaks of Good vs Evil? What will they say when Church doors are padlocked and eventually razed for having the image of a cross in public view or esposing Biblical truths that have existed for millenia?
But what about the almost entirely non-violent mainstream media defined Capitol “Insurrection”? Doesn’t that justify their Christian vote for Joseph Biden?
They think that Jesus, the Prince of Peace, would not break windows in the Capitol. What they don’t understand is that the only time Jesus was angered was when his Temple was desecrated by money changers, just as our elected officials have desecrated the people’s “Sacred” Political Temple – our Capitol – answering only to paid lobbyists and the biggest donors as they blindly allow the elimination of our ballots? What will they say when no Christian Conservative ever wins a major election, sits on a school board or federal bench?
Imagine that.
Imagine there’s no countries It isn’t hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace… John Lennon
The Christian Left has nearly as much influence in the Church today as they have with the Democratic Party.
John Lennon’s Imagine world of Love and Peace, a tenet of the Christian Left, can only exist under the rule of our true King at His own time and choosing. My Christian friends that voted for Biden believe they have the power to usher in this place on Earth now, without God, and that the “Faux-Compassionate” Democrats were the best choice in achieving that end, regardless of means. But they ignore the Left’s true Godless implications at their and my peril.
Then, with their Secular and Atheist brothers, they will legislate coequal outcomes into existence that kills our inalienable American spirit.
They are blind but soon will see what they have done.
My Christian friends now on the Left will someday soon look around at an officially Atheist world they helped usher in as people of faith and finally realize it was all wrong. All of it. Voluntary human compassion for others will be replaced with mandated compassion to others. And everyone will look, act and behave the same without the common moral compass that has always been the basis of our American experiment in Liberty. What will they say then?
If you haven’t seen the movie Bridge on the River Kwai, please do. At the end of this great WW2 film, a British Lt. Colonel at a Japanese prison camp brilliantly played by Alec Guinness, was so blissfully ignorant of what was happening in the world around him that he failed to realize who his friends were and, unwittingly, became their enemy until it was almost too late.
Staring blankly into space, the powerful utterance of his last four words from the depth of his soul, under his breath so low that he could not be heard by anyone but himself, may well be what my Christian friends say to all of us when the last stand for America ends and we are a country no more.
**SPOILER ALERT**
I cannot judge anyone, but I do Pray that my fellow Christians will finally see what they are doing before it is too late. Before they utter those last words of despair from the depths of their souls, asking our forgiveness as Lady Liberty has breathed her last.
“What have I done.”
Madness.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Naive hearts are tools for evil. Let’s Not sugar coat this.
First off, there is no such thing as a Christian Satanist. If you are a Christian, you are concerned with and care about only one single thing: God and Heaven. And they are one thing. A Christian can understand, a Satanist can not. If you care about the world at all, then you are a Satanist. Christ made it crystal clear that his kingdom – God’s kingdom – was not of this World. It is simple: God matters. Heaven matters. Jesus Christ matters. The World does NOT matter, because Satan does NOT matter. Not if you are a Christian.
Second, Donald Trump is not Jesus Christ. He is not the Messiah. He is not the promised one. If you believe in Donald Trump and think he is going to take you to Heaven, then I can only hope that you will be happy with your Lord and Master. Satan.
Third, the Ku Klux Klan and its system of thought and belief have nothing to do with the Christian Church of Jesus Christ, nor with Jesus Christ, nor with God. They are sheer nonsense, and come from the desire of very greedy men to manipulate others so they can get more money. And, in the far past, with the desire of certain men in England in the 1800’s to take over the World for the British Empire. So they could get more money and more power. And, oh by the way, just who was it that was promising (falsely) and tempting Jesus Christ with Money and Power? Got an answer? The Gospels do, and I know what it is.
Lastly, I have a personal message for you know who. You are a god damned piece of shit, and I do not want you. Eat your heart out, Satan.
The world does matter because that is where man dwells. It is your reasoning that allowed the slaves to remain slaves because they believed that they would eat shit and die on this earth only to have glory with god after crossing the river Jordan per the old negro spiritual. So many fundies keep saying that they are not of this world and allow evil to take place. Your comment has nothing to do with the essay but good try.
The World only matters if God’s law is defended by the faithful. Man O Man, maybe I ain’t an atheist.
religion is why people hate
My God! You’re such a Deep Thinker!!
And here I thought it waaaar Social Justice Warriorism
Try adding the word SYSTEM behind “world” and you might grasp what he is saying.
We are to care for and serve all those that Christ sacrificed Himself for – starting with our own. Then those that He brings near. You probably wont have many resources left after this.
Most of them [ as well as many that have been told they are saved ] do not realize they are lost [ appolumi = put away in punishment ] but “the times they are a changing”.
…when I’m wiser and I’m [ B ] older…
Russia and Iran are getting ready to attack Jerusalem.
The 10 min video below by Paul Michael Watson is a project start on the expose of “wokesterism” by an anonymous “insider” to expose the cultural phonies. He starts to detail their actions. Their “woksterism” is not born of actual concern but for the image it provides. Their positions are manufactured. For the most part they don’t actually believe the BS they espouse publicly but feel they have to to be accepted and to climb, if not God forbid, fall down the hierarchal ladder. They are fearful of being exposed for the phonies they often are. For some it’s just a gig to make money on the current grift.
It’s enlightening and worth the view.
Some day they will too wonder “what have I done”.
I just watched that today.
At least some of them have some self-awareness.
Too bad they will burn down society because they are too weak to stand up.
Paul Joseph Watson
PJW is a nasty sodomite. He is part of the problem.
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. ―Mark Twain
Isn’t that the everlasting truff?
Its the highly educated “guilty” priviledged few that are causing the problems we face today, fueled every day by MSM. Re Osama Bin Laden. The ease of guilt shaming is a big problem because the young have no self respect to fight the constant media and school teacher personal attacks. Deep down they hate themselves.
God is separating the goats from the sheep
People are separating themselves by their thoughts and actions.
Funny people think they need a god to tell them what hurts or what is wrong.
We live in a world of messed up minds!
Perfect pitch for this timeless insight by Jordan B. Peterson:
“If your philosophy (e.g. nihilism) throws you in the direction of overwhelming negative emotion, anxiety, and pain […] you might note you’re not going to argue yourself out of that […] – the meaning of your pain is completely impenetrable to your rational mind.”
Peterson is a philobabbling fool. You must own all his books?
https://voxday.blogspot.com/search/label/Jordanetics
See, I knew you were the single down-voter on my long comment further below.
You must be a Jordanethics fanboi.
I will soon put a header in longer posts of mine when applicable:
“If you are a Jordan B. Peterson hater, stop reading NOW and down-vote this comment!”
Feel free to continue making a fool of yourself,
especially by attacking the person instead of single arguments!
I rarely down vote anything, but with you I occasionally make an exception. You’re very good at interspersing deceit with sophistry masquerading as logic. Yes, even Satan can quote bible scripture , if only for the sake of debasing it.
True and false….you learned well from the Master.
And you are very good at making accusations, just with supporting facts it lacks.
Yeah Vox…
Human condition.
This will happen at the end of the 7 year tribulation.
They are not Christians and they are not your friends. They, in fact are your enemy. Cut them loose. Seek your own tribe.
The Silent Christian Secession
By Andrew Torba
February 1, 2021
Over the course of the past week Gab has been deplatformed by one of our banks, a business we were working with to source new server hardware, third-party infrastructure analysis software, and even our accountant.
This isn’t anything new for us. We’ve been deplatformed by 25+ service providers including both app stores, PayPal, dozens of payment processors, hosting providers, email services, and more.
When this happens I rejoice and praise God because I know that He is working to separate the wheat from the chaff. This deplatforming inevitably reforms Gab into an even more resilient community, business, and platform. We don’t just sit around and whine when these things happen, we immediately get to work.
We aren’t victims, we are builders.
Personally I don’t believe the common Christian mantra to “be in the world, but not of the world” means giving the enemy our money, time, and data. This has got to stop, right now.
John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
I am in the process of transitioning every part of my financial expenses to support Christian businesses, Christian media companies, Christian content creators, and Christian people.
I am done giving my money to The Enemy and funding the destruction of our country and values. I encourage everyone else to do the same. If they are not serving God, they are serving Satan and I’m simply not going to fund that activity.
Deeply examine the businesses, brands, and media companies you currently support both financially and with your time. If they are virtue signaling critical theory nonsense or owned by demons you should immediately stop paying them and using their services.
At this point we have no choice but to “build our own” everything. That starts by supporting those who are already building and share our values. It’s not about simply building our own social networking platforms anymore, it’s about building our own Christian economy. One without cancel culture. One that doesn’t embrace the demonic and degenerate cult religion of critical theory.
Critical theory (cultural marxism, the cult of social justice, etc) is a fraudulent, vapid, and pathetic subversion of well-meaning Christians, churches, and Christian values in general.
It lures decent God-fearing people into practicing a false and demonic pseudo-religion designed to accelerate their spiritual and literal demise. It preys on the malleable minds of our youth. It enslaves those who practice it and seeks to destroy those who do not.
It is a demonic imitation gospel and most certainly not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It must be mocked, shunned, and rebuked by all Christians. Now is not the time to sleepwalk through history on this subject. We must know the enemy’s fake gospel better than they know it themselves so we can lead others away from it and towards to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Talk to your kids about these things. Homeschool them if at all possible. Cut the cable cord. Delete the Big Tech apps from their phones and your own. We have a lot of work to do, but remember that we have the Creator of the Universe on our side. Through Him all things are possible.
I was talking about some of these things with a friend this morning and she used a term that made a lot of sense to me: “the silent secession.” At the moment this secession is largely digital and economic, not geographical, but perhaps that will change at some point in the future. I, for one, am in full support of Jesusland.
America is a Christian nation. The foundation of Western Civilization itself is built on Christianity and more specifically: on the firm foundation of Jesus Christ. The second that changed is the second the destruction began.
Our Christian “kindness” and “tolerance” have fueled our own destruction and have been weaponized against us. Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. We are commanded to hate that which is evil (Psalm 97:10, Romans 12:9) not to fund it and give our time to it.
We have naively believed that pagans and others would not cut us down the moment they got into power as we are seeing unfold before our eyes over the past few decades. Lesson learned. A tough one to learn, but one that has been learned many times throughout history.
1 John 2:15
Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
It’s time to start adhering to this Biblical standard.
Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
February 1, 2021
Jesus is King
https://news.gab.com/2021/02/01/the-silent-christian-secession/
So,if I buy a pair of jeans, I’m supposed to first “examine” the business? Same for peanut butter …. “Oh shit, it’s made by Kraft, and Kraft is evil!”. How about if I insist on buying an American made car … all those fuckers have many elements of evil. Bottom Line: your advice is a pie-in-sky pipe dream.
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Demons? REAL demons …. own companies? Wow.
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Ha! Good luck with that. What, you gonna build your own car company, airplane company, concrete factory, pineapple farm (Dole sucks ass), clothes factories, ad infinitum??? What are ya gonna do when you build Your Own Whatever … and the only supplier for a critical part is …… demon owned? The world is far to inter-connected and inter-dependent to support your idealistic desires.
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No, it’s not.
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Not that there isn’t any good stuff in this article. There is. The author’s heart is in the right place …. but, he left his brain at the door.
Do it to the best of your ability.
Hey Stucky,
Freakin’ demons! EVER’WHERE!
It’s really not all about you Stuck. Do what you will.
Never said it was. Go fuck yourself.
So,if I buy a pair of jeans, I’m supposed to first “examine” the business?
Maybe and no. Stop buying and supporting from the most obvious anti-Christian/American/Western haters would be a start a la’ Netflix , Amazon, Facebook, Google, Coca Cola , Fox News, Gillette and all sportsball among the many would be a stap in the right direction.
Christian Secession is wonderful for those individuals making their commitment, however secession acknowledges that the battle for influence within the City on the Hill is over.
Maybe just making a new or better city on a better hill? I wish good luck to anyone trying to survive these insufferable shitheads popping up everywhere.
If preference is futile and the darkness is forever more, why don’t you just take the hemlock now ?
I’m just thankful you weren’t advising King Alfred holed up in the Somerset swamp. We’d all be speaking Viking right now and burning our wives and servants on our funeral pyres.
Would you elaborate and stop speaking in riddles?
“secession acknowledges that the battle for influence within the City on the Hill is over.”
Do you even understand what you write.
The battle hasn’t begun yet and you’re already defeated.
Dude, the battle was over decades ago. There is no longer any viable resistance within the society at large. My original comment was in relation to individual v community succession.
Auto correct changed perseverance to preference. Clearly you have none.
Tell me your proposal and how you’ve individually set about ‘resisting.’ Most of the loudest voices for resistance are nothing Moar than our own side’s virtue signaling, in fact, doing nothing that constitutes any action whatsoever.
Your (Our) churches, your education system, your gov’t, your popular kultural manifestations (Hollywood etc), free enterprise corporations (Even Chick-Fil-A) are no longer bound by traditional morality or values in general.
You are quick to personally attack without providing any insights into your values. Typical these days. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least that you don that Covid-Burqa routinely. Most of ‘our’ side does.
The Three Percenters are loath to stir from their warm furry faux comforters as they eat their popcorn observing the spectacle.
King Alfred. The only British monarch to be known as ‘The Great’.
I fully support the main thrust in your post,
but isn’t it dancing around some elephants?
“we [gab] aren’t victims, we are builders”
OK so what is for example Parler, in that regard?
“transitioning every part of my financial expenses to support Christian businesses [etc.]”
How do you identify a Christian business, without week-long research per each?
We have metric tons of entities talking the talk, but not walking the walk, especially when push comes to shove.
Clearly you aren’t not tall enough for this ride. If you were you would know that Parler was Cuck establishment data mining operation . Yes. all your data are belong to us.
Also . if you can’t tell the good guys from the bad by now , you either are a dumbass or not paying attention.
Oh, that’s why Parler is rebuilding in Russia!
Do you even know who the ‘usual’ suspects are or are you just a disinformation troll? I’m betting the latter.
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/01/all-parlers-data-are-belong-to-them.html
Just before the social network Parler went down, a researcher who goes by the Twitter username @donk_enby scraped 56.7 terabytes of data from the site via a less-than-secure API. Motherboard reports on what some researchers are doing with the data:
One technologist took the scraped Parler data, took every file that had GPS coordinates included within it, formatted that information into JSON, and plotted those onto a map. The technologist then shared screenshots of their map with Motherboard, showing Parler posts originating from various countries, and then the United States, and finally in or around the Capitol itself. In other words, they were able to show that Parler users were posting material from the Capitol on the day of the rioting, and can now go back into the rest of the Parler data to retrieve specific material from that time.
You’re such a bullschiffer.
Accusation #1: “Parler was an establishment data mining operation”
“Proof” #1: Someone managed to hack Parler through “a less-than-secure API.”
Analysis: I’m nearly speechless. According to that “logic”, the DNC server must also have been an establishment data mining operation.
Accusation #2: It’s totally outrageous that with Parler’s data one can build user profiles including physical movements!
Proof #2: irrelevant
Analysis: OMG, this has never happened before, nor will ever happen again! /sarc
If you weren’t born yesterday, you’d know that is standard practice for many mobile apps, and nobody is even trying to keep that fact secret (anymore.)
Furthermore, if I post something like here on TBP, any halfway critical thinker should be aware that anything you write may be used against you in the future, and not just by spooks, if the 1st Amendment is rescinded.
Fact ignored by you:
Parler is currently hosted on a Russian server. Choose your own source https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=parler+hosted+on+russian+server&ia=web
That must be a really sophisticated maneuver by our establishment, to allow Parler to move to Russia – maybe an extremely cleverly devised plot to hack that Russian hoster?
We are loud and proud, you can’t miss us. We are also, unfortunately, few.
Colossians 3:1-3 KJB… “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
Great! But, you forgot the most important part! What is the gospel of Christ? Get it out there! 1 Corinthians 15:1-4…
Right on bro…amen
Andrew….hope you get back in the game. We need you. And Sarah Corriher. And you…and you etal.
One big Amen!
“THEY THINK”
tr4-head,
Your post has been the highlight of my internet day.
Kuddos to the 10th power!
I doubt I’ll go back to my “THEY THINK” church, even if they ever stop wearing masks…which I doubt… many taking the jab…more to come with the next deception.
No doubt some of them will bend over for the Uranus anus test.
You can hear the Luciferian’s snickering
(Shoot, shot, shit, forget old age…the jab will thin that herd out at Lucifer Ludicrous Speed (LLS).
When the *choir director at my 100 member church (counting the 25 who only attend at Easter and Christmas) posted support for BLM last summer…and helped organize a local PC-BS rally (I attended it with open curled lips…and Open Carry (this is a rural white church well outside a small town)…wasn’t confronted but supportered…I knew they were toast.
Then after the pastor made a joke about ‘some’ people storing food and buying guns, I knew I was done with this flocking flocked flock. (Try that three times fast).
I’m sticking with my small group Bible Study of likeminded Christians, Americans, and Preppers.
*Jeremiah 9:5
“Everyone deceives his neighbor
And does not speak the truth,
They have taught their tongue to speak lies;
They weary themselves committing iniquity.
Mark, you are better off that way.
Yea, I agree since I have seen most of them embracing the deception.
WOW. Oil for the lamps (Matthew 25), anybody? Do these guys teach/believe pre-trib rapture, by any chance? i mean, I’ve never been to seminary but in my study of the Bible (see Genesis 37-50 for the story of Joseph, for one), I’ve uncovered several examples of the faithful NOT entrusting their well-being to the mercy of the world. Noah is another obvious example. Solomon also understood, Proverbs 6:6-8; 21:20; 22:3. 1 timothy 5:8. . . .
. . . flockers?
niebo,
I would guess most are Pre-Tribers, as was I (it was all I was taught from my 1993 Damarcus Road stroll conversion to 2015 – my first 22 years as a committed Believer…then after I retired I had the time to focus on the great snatch, its history, and all timing views of the event…after two years, 25 books, and dozens of websites (and I still dabble in research) I found myself firmly in the Pre-Wrath camp-6th Seal camp, well before the 7 Seal and the Wrath of the Lord.
But I don’t believe in beating anyone over the head about it with a dogmatic club, as I was beat with Pre-Trib. (Had a woman scream at me once in a Bible Study once when I openly questioned Pre-Trib).
If Pre Trib is right no harm no foul…if not countless millions will fall for the crushing deception, coming persecution…and will be unprepared to stand on their own spiritually, and in other independent survival disciplines.
I am with you on your scripture commitments…I’m hoping to take some silver profit through this latest hub bub, enough to pay for a quality solar system and get 100% off the grid ASAP!
I’m not angry at my old church because they told me point blank no mask, don’t come to worship, and no singing if you do come…I’m grateful for the warning to be divested from them.
Just before Covid I had helped the new Pastor build his first garden, brought my tiller over, a load of soil, mulch, seeds, bedding plants, and we put in a modest garden together. I was building a relationship as I liked him, and wanted to help him feel welcome.
My next step was to approach him with an idea of forming a ministry to do the same with interested members (gardening) and I was going to try and help form a group of skilled men who could teach self-sufficiency to anyone interested…but then the Lockdown Trap was sprung, and most everyone in that church jumped into it with both feet.
The Church goer terror is not so much from the Centers for Democratic Control (CDC) but from the incessant daily MSM BS to scare us into Reset. The MSM is at the root of ALL that has gone wrong with America.
Well . . . Jesus worked miracles time and again, and save for a few cases where the recipients were not able to “receive” (cognitively) but were surrounded by those who were, ALL who received healing were WILLING participants in the process of miraculous change.
You ARE willing.
That others are not . . . is no reflection upon YOU.
I think you stuck around that “church” way to long. “Churches”that support social gospel and queers should have been left long ago.
overthecliff,
Well there were two Pastors during my tenure…so that changed things, but I wanted to get to know some of my neighbors of a like mind, and that has worked out excellent, and now I know where the majority stand during times and pressures that have never happened before.
So no regrets from me.
I’m moving on…life is juicy sweet and I’m living a lifestyle I have always dreamed of living…for as long as I can…come what may…plus, I’m just shaking the dust off my combat boots.
. . .to coin a phrase, haha
“I knew I was done with this flocking flocked flock. (Try that three times fast).”
I tried, failed miserably. Thx.
“As a Christian who has Christian friends who voted for Joseph Biden ”
Sorry, stopped right there. Really? Christians with no cognitive skills, please help me. One can pray for the lost, but dear Lord have mercy on the coming Bolsheviks. No Christian I know voted for that mofo.
I wish that was true. Many did.
All the more reason not to give your power away. By labeling yourself a “Christian ” (because you believe in Bible principles) really constrains you.
There are universal truths in the 66 books of the Bible that evil Constantine approved of.
However, what about all the books he left out?
What about Natural Law that precedes mans interpretation of the Bible?
There is so much more to spirituality than Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or any other of mans attempts to personify God.
Natural Law is God’s Law and his gift to humanity.
Just because other people personify God, I don’t have to.
And only after I realized I shouldn’t [think of God in personified form], did I become a true believing Christian.
That’s one of the oddest statements about God I’ve read in a long time.
From the first page of the Bible to the last God is personified. This is so clear cut that it seems ridicules to argue that point, so I won’t.
Just want to say it seems to me that given all this evidence that you must go through great lengths to un-personify God. That’s interesting, really.
What FORM does God have, then?
Answer in brief, likely prone to misinterpretation: “a CONCEPT”
In detail:
I explained in previous comments on TBP what a [Jungian] archetype is: a story or situation that you cannot make stronger, bigger, badder anymore just by exaggerating. It’s at the limit.
“Jesus is the archetype of the Individual: the man acting in the best possible way has the worst possible thing happening to him.” (Jordan B. Peterson, not verbatim)
Me: Okay, then what is God an archetype of? Obviously it has to be the generally highest value you (or anybody) can think of. Something or someone that influences everything.
Took me 2 months to come up with a viable answer.
(For example ‘maybe Truth‘? Nah, truth doesn’t act. Also truth is part of the Logos, so then it can’t be God.)
Then I came up with ‘the Ultimate Morality’.
Suddenly everything makes sense.
“God can be anything but power. Christianity presents a paradoxical view of God as weakness. God is frailty. That’s his glory. He doesn’t need to make big noises.” (an Orthodox Archpriest)
Exactly.
So God stands fine (and maybe even better) without being a person in any way.
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(But there is actually one more layer, even deeper underneath all this.
Christianity is -for all I know- the only religion that has realized:
“Perfection is impossible in this world.
But more than that, every sustained attempt towards perfection in this [earthly] world automatically and always leads to a totalitarian system. (!)”
This is part of the Ultimate Morality; that’s if you understood it correctly.
So another paradoxical view presented by Christianity: you should always strive towards making things better -that’s your duty-, but striving towards perfection actually makes things worse.)
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Self exercises, only for the interested:
If you just consider my views, without making them your own, then think about:
– What would be an explanation of what the Original Sin is, and what are it’s consequences? (Took another 3 months to untangle that one, for me.)
– What is the Holy Ghost the archetype of?
The moment you say God is “something” or “someone” … well, that’s personification.
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Why is it either-or? Why not both? God spoke to Elijah in the still small voice. But, to Job, God spoke “through a whirlwind”. Let’s not limit God.
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Then why does Jesus say, “Be ye perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”? And the Apostle Paul speaks of the “perfect man”, “perfect faith”, and other perfectionist ideas all over the place.
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Not saying you are wrong, or I am right. I won’t have any of that! I am but a beggar looking for a crumb to eat when it comes to spiritual things. Just throwing things out there. Thank you for responding.
I wrote that “someone” exactly to indicate that at that moment of my thought process I had no preconceptions in either direction. But it ended for me to be a “some thing.”
One can always find quotes (or experts) for supporting any view.
A real consideration would look at quotes or experts in both directions, and then find which [better] withstands the arguments (or “arguments”) of the other side.
I’m about the furthest away from a bible expert imaginable, so I can only suggest to consider if those perfectist(1) ideas refer to the heavenly world [where they belong] or to the earthly world where they do damage.
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I’m not saying I’m right.
This is just the best I can come up with, and it has -so far- withstood my own continuous attempt to find a major flaw in it.
Also -at this point- I see no way how it would be possible to come up with an even more universal, i.e. deeper, explanation (which doesn’t refute but subsumes, by making my explanation just become a subset/special case of the new explanation.) That’s the beauty of archetypes.
(1) Augusto Del Noce came up with the term ‘perfectist’ for larger-scale perfection [attempts], to distinguish from very small-scale perfection which might still be achievable on earth [and without negative consequences.]
I like that!
That’s really all a Searcher can do … come up with best our minds and thoughts can reason. Hope that it stands the test of time and more reasoning. And if it “works” for us that’s GREAT. And if it doesn’t? We keep searching. The search never ends, for none of us is perfect, at least not in this world.
You have given me a number of things to think about. Thanks for that.
Yep. Anybody who is not searching aint human. Nobody has proof of a damn thing. Its called the human condition.
Not concerning m’s philobabble circle jerk , albeit still relevant. Been listening to this OT guy Michael Heiser talk about the the spiritual realm and other notions concerning God, demons . nephilim, angels, Enoch, watchers and Eden. Worth a listen if you’ve got the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YmGU9OG-h0
“And only after I realized I shouldn’t [think of God in personified form], did I become a true believing Christian.”
You’re deluding yourself terribly. Jesus Christ is God personified. Your belief is vain.
Stucky, you are 100% correct in your response to this bizarre statement.
To me Jesus [on earth] and God are two separate entities. I mean why do we even have the Trinity.
So I can state God is something non-personified, without saying anything about Jesus.
To me a human, i.e. a person, is by [Christian!] definition always imperfect.
I’m curious: Would you describe Jesus [on earth] as perfect, or also having small flaws?
God is perfect. Jesus is God. Why a Trinity? That God might explain Himself most effectively to us.
Colossians 1:16-17 KJB… “For by him (Jesus, follow the pronouns) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
While you didn’t directly answer my question, it seems to me you stated
“yes, Jesus [on earth] was perfect.”
I find that a dangerous, and entirely unnecessary assumption.
I assume nothing. I just read and believe the book.
Matthew 1:23 KJB… “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
John 1:1-3,14 KJB… “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
Romans 5:8 KJB… “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
Cool.
Who wrote the book? Is the book perfect, i.e. everything in it is true? (And then the follow-up: literally true, or metaphysically true?)
And to close the circle: it does seem you assumed quite a bit when you wrote “You’re deluding yourself terribly.”
God, of course.
2 Peter 1:21 KJV
[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Yes.
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
[12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I feel you missed the key underlying concept of Christianity, that perfection is impossible in this [earthly] world.
And you may be working counter to it, which is not good.
Perfection is impossible in this earthly world. Proof of the KJB’s Divine origin.
Buddhism does NOT attempt to personify “God”; quite the contrary, given that it is atheistic in nature.
When religions are lumped in together its usually because the person has rejected Christianity. They are saying all roads lead to God. For which God has already debunked a couple thousand years ago.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus is the only way to heaven.
If you don’t stand for something you’ll stand for anything.
The version I heard was “If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything.”
“When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing – they believe in anything.” —not C.K. Chesterton
So are all “Christians” just nitwit stupid idiots. Biden is not all there ! He is a tool of the satanists. Weak, and used for evil purposes.
that applies to nearly every single ‘influencer’ within Western Civilization and the US in particular.
Doug,
Its a wide gate for everyone.
GREAT post, TR4. I know where you are coming from and also do not understand the pure hypocrisy of these people. My oldest and dearest friend supported Xiden simply because he was running against Trump. In our discussions I explained to him that God, guns and family were how I decide which candidate I will support with my vote. Xiden believes in unrestricted killing of unborn and newly born children and the closure of churches for “safety”. He does not believe the individual has the right to be armed and he supports anti-family groups that would destroy the basic family unit. He strikes out on all three.
We need to redouble our prayers for these lost souls and ask God to send the Holy Spirit to convict these people in their hearts and for them to repent and return to God.
Did your arguments have the slightest impact on your friend?
I would guess not.
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“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is, contempt prior to investigation.” –not Herbert Spencer
or in even less diplomatic terms:
“You cannot reason a man out of a position he has not reasoned himself into” –Jonathan Swift
Nope. He hated Trump and wanted him gone from politics. Claimed he did not have the proper demeanor to be potus.
Herbert Spencer was a drooling anti-Christian , thus Western civilization hating idiot. The quote is from William Paley
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
― William Paley
“Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.” Aristotle
Please explain, even if that were true, how it would automatically invalidate every single word he ever wrote.
Maybe cross-reference with
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Oh, and for minor consideration I had written
but was not able to find an agreed-upon true author of the quote, on the webpages I researched.
Who said every word the Spencer wrote was invalidated just because he was a dribbling idiot?
Things qualify him for irrelevance to the future of Western man. Materialism .Atheism. Darwinism and Universal suffrage. Men like Spencer are the tools with which Christendom was dismantled under the auspices of intellectualism. Spencer nor his philosophical peers have contributed one damn thing to the preservation of culture, tradition and moral fiber of Western civilization. Better an uneducated population of moral sound men and women than a mass of immoral college educated degenerates whose premier function in society is to tear down what our Christian ancestors have built.
But I wouldn’t think you, as one who believes that homosexuals adopting children is a good for society or the children would get this. You’re too busy trying to mold your intellect to fit the beast system than to stand with 2000 years of truth.
Wow, now you’re getting into outright defamation towards me.
And you know it to be a lie, and I can prove it:
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(Feel free to take the whole run-up into account.)
Stucky, you may want to take a look at this!
You list a number of things that “are wrong about the Democratic Party”.
It’s a good list. But, I can’t help but wonder … “how have things been under the other party?” …. because that’s what you are implying.
Don’t most of us agree that America is a One Party System? That there isn’t much, if any, difference between the two parties? That we’re fucked either way? Yeah, we’ve been saying that … a lot.
It’s a good article, though. I can feel your passion for the True Christian Church. I can also feel your desire to help your friends see The Light. But, tr4head, they are Libtards! They can NOT be helped. Seek out new friends … before you go insane.
Yes, I believe this is the right way to go henceforth. Or is it forthwith? Anyway, I have lost 4 long/longish friends in the last 2 years. I am better off for it.
either one will do. I like just about any word Not monosyllabic…like the typical Merikan uses.
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As adverbs the difference between forthwith and henceforth is that forthwith is immediately; without delay while henceforth is (formal) from now on; from this time on.
Under such circumstances, the hardest thing on your soul is the realization that they were never your friends to begin with.
I think you are right. I should have made better decisions a long time ago. Any man who can count the number of TRUE friends he has on more than 1 finger is truly blessed.
I have ONE person who I know is a true friend. It’s sad, but true. It’s just a sign of the very dark times we’re living in.
If you have one true friend, I’d consider that a uncommon success, not deserving of lamentation.
I used to have two, but one passed away last July. I still haven’t gotten over that.
Braggart /s
LOL, what’s the old saying that you shouldn’t be casting pearls before the swine?
Tr4head wrote a very long article wondering about his Christian friends. Maybe he didn’t know them that well, in that they weren’t “Christians” to begin with.
I myself am at the point that I am so cynical, I don’t believe ANYTHING most people say anymore. They have to prove it to me, which can take a long time; meanwhile, I always look for little slips in what they say and how they act that leads me to think that they’re really liars.
Just keep in mind when being cynical that
a) losing all hope [in others] and
b) expecting [close to] perfection from others
are not the Christian way either.
I’ve talked to one person in the last 6 months, a 91 year old total stranger, whom I think is a real Christian. One is good enough for me, and it only takes one to remain convinced. Compare that to the people I’ve known for 30 years, and I still have doubts on them.
Another way of looking at Tr4head’s “Christian” friends dilemma is this: Do you think these people would hesitate to inform on you or turn you over to the police because “they’re doing the right thing”?
Exactly what Arnold Murray taught.
Coal – Some would, no doubt. One of the many reasons I live behind two gates…and only seen from a distance…briefly in passing.
More tripe by a faux christian.
Try living your life perfectly. When you accomplish that, let us know.
Hidden sarcasm or unintended irony?
Striving for life perfection is exactly what characterizes a faux christian.
Nope. Christians, (most faux) dont actually even try. They simply say one thing and do another.
The fact that these same faux christians worship at the trump altar is more proof of their delusion. Again, it’s not that he is imperfect, we all are. It is that he is a con man playing the religion card, just like the faux christians. Sad.
You missed or ignored my point. About perfection, not about striving.
Try living you life according to God’s Commandments and repenting for those failures. When you accomplish that….
Friends, prepare for the American Cristero War.
The Judases have betrayed their King thinking they can help Him out a little by forcing [ at least influencing ] events, without even knowing what is really happening.
Dunno how to respond except . . . pray for restoration of their sight, because they are blind to/unable to discern the deception that Xiden represents any faith but “Let us make a name”. No man is a god, and yet, they often act as though they are, and their fruits – they LOVE death for the unborn, weighted scales, graft, perversion, and literally call good evil and evil, good – reveal them for what they are: wicked. If your friends do not/cannot see the truth, then, well, they may be deluded beyond any human effort to “turn” them back to the way.
God be with you, come what may.
I have a question I like to ask the church goers nowadays. Did your church close when the Government told them to, over a virus having a 0.02% mortality rate, compared to the 10% of the 1918 Influenza Pandemic? If your “church” believed that Big Lie, then it is a lie because its living a lie. Most of them don’t like my question and what I say to them, but I don’t care, because by default they are liars too, and they are also fools who don’t even recognize it.
Coal,
Yep, mine closed ASAP…then when the state court ruled what the Gov. did was wrong and the churches could open, they stayed closed and held services in their cars…using a specific radio station to listen on, and then services were moved to the internet. I hated both…did each once and never came back.
No one that I know of from the church died of Covid.
The fear didn’t take them over, it consumed them.
With the masked senior pastor made a joke about preppers…in a 90% unmasked small group Bible study filled with Preppers…I knew I was glad I knew was where he was…and what most in the church believed…before the serious persecution starts. I’d just end up ‘turned in’.
I’m glad I did attend there though as when I moved rural it allowed me to meet and become friends with four other couples of a like mind, and we have our own unmasked, Bible Study together.
I’m going Home Church.
Judging by the essay and the comments above.
I was right all along.
Christianity is a week pathetic religion. A bunch of mask wearing sheep.
Well, bless your heart, that you get to keep your prejudices!
neibo, how does a Texan say f-you… 😉
Hahahahahahahaha . . . .
YOU saw what I did there, as HSF would say.
Well No Name…long ago I came to the realization all ‘Religions’ are men’s pathetic replacement attempt to a ‘Relationship’ with the Living Triune God.
Maybe now you are pointed in the right direction?
Man was always a fallen creation after Adam and Eve.
Well, Christianity did manage to preserve the foundations of antiquity and keep the spark of civilization alive during the thousand years of darkness after the collapse of Imperial Rome.
That movie clip was the best part of the article. One of many reasons I don’t support the Democrats is their support of abortion. I’m not sure how any Christian can support the Dems. Or how Biden can be a Catholic.
Surprised no comments on that. I was thinking about that phrase sitting in my car and trying to remember where I heard it. Then it hit me and thought it was a good anology for what is happening. Great movie too.