Why The Christ?

Guest Post by Niebo

“Thou shalt not surely die,” is a declaration of assurance, the acceptance of which offers proof that Eve does not choose to die. Because death is the promised consequence of sin, we may likewise declare the logical congruence that she does not, therefore, choose to sin, an inference which is supported by the fact that, neither at the time of the encounter nor at any other does Eve stand at the foot of the Tree of Knowledge and desire to experience the forbidden fruit; it is established fact that the adversary asks of her, that is, he approaches her to query, “May you eat of any tree in the garden?” We concede that the destroyer knows the answer but asks in order to deceive the woman, in order to ensnare her in his trap, the culmination of which is the statement, “For He knows that you will be like Him, knowing good and evil,” which is to say, “You will be like God,” and, “You will know good and evil.”

While the LORD is not flesh, He, as He wills, manifests as such, and Eve knows Him, walks with Him, and loves Him with all of her heart; He is glorious to behold, beautiful, kind, loving, and we must consider, “Why would Eve not want to be like God?” To her, a simple and obedient child, to be like her Father is a wonderful idea, and if that means knowing good and evil, so be it. Of course, we realize the flaw in her perspective, that, because she does not know good and evil, she is unable to cognify that she is innocent and perfect, just as He created her, which is to say that she has no idea that she is like God already, as much as she might ever be as a creature of flesh. Because she is pure, she is honest and trusting; she is not cognizant of dishonesty or wickedness, so, by default, she is not able to recognize a lie. Thus the serpent uses her innocence to deceive her, to destroy her and, through her, all of mankind.

Now, for the sake of argument, let us ignore both logic and semantics in order to proclaim that Eve, regardless of cause or reason, chose to sin and chose to exist in the state of sin. Let us suppose that her inexperience and her innocence are no excuse, and that she deserves, without qualification, to bear the consequences of her actions. (She was, after all, forewarned of the punishment for disobedience.) Her death, then, is justice. Yet this conclusion invites another question: is the same statement true of her children? Do they, in turn, deserve to bear the same consequences for her actions? That is, do they deserve to die for sins which they did not commit? For, through no fault of our own, we are, to this day, born into this nature of sin, so we are born into physical mortality, into physical separation from the presence of God, and no mere human, in spite of his desire to the contrary, is able to change this reality, this fate.

Evidence suggests, however, that the will of the LORD is mercy for His people, for, throughout the scriptures, there are numerous passages that foreshadow the solution to this conundrum of sin. In the account of the patriarch Abraham (Genesis 22), for example, the LORD tests the faith of Abraham and commands him to take his beloved son Isaac onto a mountain in Moriah in order to sacrifice him as a burnt offering. During the journey, when Isaac asks his father, “Where is the lamb for the offering?” Abraham tells him, “God will supply the lamb.” When they arrive, he obeys the command that he is given, but before he initiates the sacrifice of Isaac, an angel intervenes and forbids it; a moment later, Abraham sees a ram that is caught in a nearby thicket. He releases Isaac, and they offer the ram that God provides.

Likewise, just prior to the exodus from Egypt, the children of God are instructed to sacrifice a lamb and to mark their doorposts with blood, in order that they be passed over during the plague on the firstborn. Thus the people are saved by way of blood (Exodus 12:3-13).

Later, when He presents the Law to Moses, the LORD establishes the rituals of service, among which are numerous rituals of sacrifice. The offering for sin may include one of five animals in which are found no spot or blemish, a young bull, a lamb, a ram, a pigeon, or a turtledove, “for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life.” Thus, forgiveness of sin is attained by blood (Leviticus 4 and 5).

In the book of Exodus, chapters 23 (verse 19) and 34 (verse 26), and in Deuteronomy 14:21, we see repeated a peculiar commandment that forbids boiling a goat in its mother’s milk, which is to say that it is forbidden that a mother be (or be caused to be) an accomplice in the consumption (that is, death) of her child, for such an act is of unnatural cruelty. For Eve, the mother of mankind, to introduce sin and death upon humanity (to be our mother and our destroyer)is an abomination.

In Deuteronomy 24 (verse 16), the LORD forbids that children be put to death for the sins of fathers. In Ezekiel 18 (verses 20 and 30) the same declaration is echoed. In Jeremiah 31:30, the punishment is again forbidden. So, that the children of Eve die because of the sins of their mother (and father, Adam) is also an aberration. Yet, in regards to His warning, “On the day that you eat of it, you shall die”, the LORD keeps the promise, even though, in consequence, it violates the Law which He will give; no doubt, He also foresees this paradox, the end result of which is that the blame for the injustice lies with Him: His children are born into death for decisions that He makes, for He knows the consequences of the fall of mankind but allows it to happen, regardless. [Of course, He establishes the resolution when He declares the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), before any humans are formed and made, but in the interim, while humans live on earth, separation reigns.] So, why did the LORD do this?

The book of Genesis, chapters 37 through 50, records the account of Joseph, a beloved son of Israel (Jacob) who falls victim to the treachery of his brothers; he is sold into slavery in Egypt, but through his faith in the LORD, he becomes a trusted steward in the house of Pharoah and over Egypt itself. Through him, his trials and accomplishments, the LORD saves the nation of Israel. Joseph is akin to the “suffering servant” of Isaiah 53 (“Immanuel” or “God with us” in Isaiah 7), who is the Messiah. His purpose is to save.

The consequence of atonement is absolution from sin. When sin is absolved, it is undone, uncommitted, as though it never existed. So, if sin is disallowed, then Eve is not prey to the hostile deception of the Destroyer, because the Destroyer, in essence, does not approach her in the garden. And she is passed-over by death, as is all of mankind with her. (“I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.” Isaiah 43:25)

Thus, in order to free mankind from the injustice of death, the LORD establishes justice: He repents. And His subsequent atonement resolves the quandary; He absolves Himself and mankind with one sacrifice. Immanuel, then, is the sin offering of God, the lamb without spot or blemish. Through his blood, Eve is released from the deception; mankind is loosed from the sin that we did not choose and are, thereby, reconciled to our former state (purity); we are free. And the LORD proves to all mankind that His love is stronger than the Adversary, that His love is stronger than a lie, that his love is stronger than death, and, most of all, that His love is stronger than sin.

But, again . . . why?

Before the fall, Adam and Eve were innocent and pure; they walked with the LORD, but they had no rational choice in the matter. In a sense, they were “doomed” to perfection, to obedience, and, due to their access to the fruit of the tree of life, to immortality. After the adversary’s manipulation, however, the children of Eve were doomed to separation from God and to death, yet we, also, had no rational choice. In either state, humans have no free will. But, thanks to the blood of Christ, we who were born into darkness are free, instead, to choose to live in the light. We are neither destined to perfection nor doomed to separation but will be held to account for our own actions, our own choices. Chief among them, the choice to accept the truth (or not), to accept absolution (or not), to accept reconciliation (or not), that is, the choice to accept the love of God – or not – is for each of us to make.

Come, Lord Jesus!

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28 Comments
brian
brian
April 4, 2021 12:49 pm

Out standing… 10^7 thumbs up…

niebo
niebo
  brian
April 4, 2021 11:02 pm

Grace and peace to you, sir!

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
April 4, 2021 1:28 pm

Wow! God’s greatest gift is to offer us a choice and to provide the means, Himself, His own broken body and poured out blood, and resurrection to fulfill that choice.

niebo
niebo
  Eyes Wide Shut
April 4, 2021 11:16 pm

“Why hast thou forsaken me?”

My head explodes when I contemplate that God the Father separated Himself from God the Son; the anguish and despair he felt at that moment, I “understand” (no scripture but peace in my spirit), was unknown to Jesus until that moment, when he experienced life as WE know it, the separation, i mean. Only the gospel of John records that Jesus said, “It is finished!” before he bowed his head and gave up his spirit, and I wonder if he meant, “the injustice is finished.”

Nothing but the truth.
Nothing but the truth.
  Eyes Wide Shut
April 5, 2021 7:07 am

Hallelujah and happy Easter to all fellowmen .

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
April 4, 2021 2:07 pm

Eve, made from Adam, the weaker vessel, was targeted and deceived. Adam made a conscious decision to eat after God gave him direct instruction not to.

Satan said to her: Gen 3:5 KJB… “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

That’s little “g” and plural. They were not alone. Satan and his minions must have looked good to her. They are powerful beings.

Romans 5:14-18 KJB… “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”

Thank you Father for the gift of yourself, the Son; the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

niebo
niebo
  grace country pastor
April 4, 2021 10:59 pm

GCP!!

That’s little “g” and plural. They were not alone. Satan and his minions must have looked good to her. They are powerful beings.

The Interlinear that I use for most of my in-depth study translates it with a capital “G” because the word in Hebrew is “elohim” (#430), which, according to Strong’s is one of those weird nouns that is plural and both masculine and feminine . . . “plural in form but singular in meaning.”

Also, in the explanation that i sent with this to Admin, I explained that I wrote this in response to a question that an agnostic Jewish friend asked: “Why Christ? I mean, why did God care enough to save everybody when He allowed sin to enter creation in the first place?”

So, since I was responding to his honest question, I limited my references to the Hebrew scriptures, with which he was/is already familiar. Otherwise, I would have hammered this one:

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath RECONCILED US TO HIMSELF BY JESUS CHRIST, and hath given to us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION; To wit, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UPON THEM; and hath committed unto us the WORD OF RECONCILIATION.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19

And, indeed, thank you God the Father, Son, and Spirit!

Stucky
Stucky
  niebo
April 5, 2021 5:59 am

niebo, serious question …. since it seems America will inevitably become separate countries at some point in time —- would you be in favor of dividing the country this way?

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Stucky
Stucky
  niebo
April 5, 2021 6:02 am

How LIBFUKS see America ….

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grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  niebo
April 5, 2021 10:38 am

2 Cor 5 some of my favorite scripture! As to interlinears and languages I can’t speak; that’s what the KJB is for. It doesn’t lie and can be thoroughly trusted.

Praise God your buddy is asking questions!!!

flash
flash
  niebo
April 5, 2021 12:50 pm

“plural in form but singular in meaning.”

Not so.

So What Exactly is an Elohim?

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/What%20is%20an%20Elohim.pdf

flash
flash
  flash
April 5, 2021 1:11 pm

Who is Elohim – Michael Heiser – Part 1

Stucky
Stucky
April 4, 2021 7:48 pm

def: mor·al /ˈmôrəl ; adjective 1)- “concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior”

Eve didn’t know the difference between good and evil until after she ate of the forbidden fruit.

How, then, can she be held accountable for breaking a moral code, when she didn’t even know about any moral code?

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
April 4, 2021 8:03 pm

And where was Adam? Off having a beer with his buddy God?

niebo
niebo
  Ghost
April 4, 2021 11:33 pm

No, no . . . Adam was hunting unicorns.

That’s in there somewhere, hidden away amidst the “begats”, I’m pretty sure.

GCP? Any idea?

👻 (ghost)
👻 (ghost)
  Ghost
April 5, 2021 7:49 am

I am sorry for the irreverent joke.

Twerent funny.

niebo
niebo
  Stucky
April 4, 2021 11:29 pm

Stucky!

Ultimately, I do not think that she was held to account, not in an eternal sense. Because she was innocent, and how she was manipulated/used for satan’s purpose, to me, is less of a deception than it is a rape.

And I am sure that, once they were east of Eden, Eve looked back at the garden for the rest of her years with regret for what she learned.

flash
flash
  niebo
April 5, 2021 10:58 am

Worth a listen.

Michael Heiser – What Happened in the Garden of Eden?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RAMHF90tkw

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
April 5, 2021 12:28 am

Bit of a pickle, that. At first, I thought you had made an error, and then I realized you hadn’t.

flash
flash
  Stucky
April 5, 2021 10:54 am

Along with free will, God gifted man with the inherent ability to distinguish between right and wrong, which angered God upon learning that Eve had disobeyed God’s commandment to not eat of that particular tree.
The physical and spiritual make-up of Adam and Eve is the same as the rest of humanity. The only thing lost was the gift of immortality and even that will be regifted by God, in the end.

As you well know, this is elementary. I’m continually surprised by the subtlety you use to discount the word and authority of God. Are you aware of this, or is it a subconscious action ?

Stucky
Stucky
  flash
April 5, 2021 11:15 am

“God gifted man with the inherent ability to distinguish between right and wrong,”

Inherent ability, my fat ass. Too bad for you that that’s NOT what the passage says.

—1) Eve eats whatever it is she eats

—2) THEN she knows good and evil.

Do you realize you make up shit as you go along?

flash
flash
  Stucky
April 5, 2021 1:10 pm

Right and wrong is not good and evil. If Eve had not understood that eating the forbidden fruit was wrong, it wouldn’t have taken the adversary to temp her. She would have sampled in sans his provocation. God did not punish Adam and Eve because they were blameless.
Once upon a time, you yourself were ignorant, thus innocent of sin, but when you first came into contact with it , you inherently knew it was wrong. You should know this.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Adam-Eve-know-death.html

” the Bible never says that Adam and Eve did not know right from wrong. In fact, Genesis 3:2–3 is clear that they did understand the difference between right and wrong; Eve knew God had instructed her and Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit (cf. Genesis 2:16–17). To take the name of the forbidden tree, “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Genesis 2:9), to mean that Adam and Eve had no understanding of good and evil is a misunderstanding. In the Bible, the word knowledge often means “experience.” It is true that, prior to the fall, Adam and Eve had no experience of evil. But they understood the concept of good and evil perfectly well, or they would not have known what obedience to God’s instructions meant. The point is that Adam and Eve had not yet sinned until they ate from the tree, and their sin was the gateway to firsthand, experiential knowledge of the difference between good and evil.
dam and Eve knew the difference between right and wrong, because they were created with that understanding; it’s just that they hadn’t experienced it personally until they sinned. Their lack of experience doesn’t excuse their actions. God gave a simple, straightforward instruction to Adam and Eve. They both had the understanding and the ability to obey, but they disobeyed anyway.

Second, it could be that God gave Adam and Eve an explanation of why they weren’t supposed to eat from the tree, other than “you will certainly die.” There is no such explanation recorded in Scripture, but we should not assume that one was never given. Of course, even if God never fully explained why eating from the tree was wrong, Adam and Eve could still know that it was wrong. The extra information was not necessary to make a moral decision. We can know with great confidence that murder is wrong, without necessarily being able to explain why it is wrong. And even if we can’t explain why murder is wrong, we should still be held accountable for an act of murder we commit. Adam and Eve’s not knowing the exact reason they were forbidden to eat the tree’s fruit has nothing to do with the fact that they clearly knew and understood eating it was wrong.

Third, death exists in the world today because of sin, not because of Adam and Eve’s lack of knowledge (cf. Romans 5:12). In other words, God did not punish Adam and Eve with death for simply “not knowing” something but for acting against what they already knew to be right. Death was a consequence of their disobedience, not their ignorance. Likewise, Adam and Eve did not need to have seen death or experienced death firsthand to know that disobeying God’s command was wrong. It’s easy for us today to look at the ugly, horrific nature of sin and death and conclude that such a perspective might have made Adam and Eve more reluctant to disobey God than they were. But that’s speculation. Whether or not such firsthand knowledge might have affected their choice, there is no denying that Adam and Eve directly, intentionally disobeyed a command of God. And, as we read in Romans 6:23, “the wages of sin is death.”

Another observation. When people ask how God could punish Adam and Eve (and the rest of us) so harshly for doing something they could hardly have been expected to know was wrong, they seem to assume that Adam and Eve had no more moral intelligence than the average toddler. Thinking of Adam and Eve as harmless, totally naive children certainly makes God’s response seem overblown, like a father who has lost all patience with his kids. Wouldn’t a reasonable God have at least given His beloved children a second chance? Or at least rid the garden of the tree before they could encounter that danger? Why sentence your own creation to death for one “innocent mistake”?

Thinking about the sin of Adam and Eve as a naive mistake is off base. Innocence is not the same as ignorance. Consider what we actually know about the first couple: they were created in a perfect world and given dominion and freedom over the entire earth; they knew and spoke face to face with their perfect, loving, and good Creator God (Genesis 2:22). It is difficult to imagine the goodness and benevolence of God being any more fully on display for Adam and Eve to behold.”

Stucky
Stucky
  flash
April 5, 2021 1:56 pm

“Right and wrong is not good and evil. ”

I stopped reading right there. Not that it really matters …

— According to Ussher’s famous chronology, God created the universe around 4000 BC. Genesis was written about 1,700 BC.

— TWO THOUSAND plus YEARS elapsed from The Garden of Eden to what was written about it in Genesis.

And people are supposed to believe all those acts and detailed conversations are reliable / credible / accurate? This yokel does not.

flash
flash
  Stucky
April 5, 2021 3:31 pm

Just goes to show that God is less of an inspiration to you than the authors of the Bible. Probably not your fault at all.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 4, 2021 11:35 pm

Whatever
Would you guys mind coming up with a name for your christian version of Easter? Because Easter is pagan and not obtuse.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Anonymous
April 5, 2021 1:51 am

Resurrection Day

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Anonymous
April 5, 2021 10:33 am

Sunday is most popular. But it has to the the first one after the first full moon of the vernal equinox, yeah that’s it! That’s when Christ rose! Churchianity!

flash
flash
  Anonymous
April 5, 2021 10:56 am

You’re welcome.