Natural immunity for the win

Guest Post by Alex Berenson

The question I get more than any other:

I had Covid. I had an antibody test to prove it. Am I protected (and do I need to get the vaccine)?

Let me start with the usual disclaimer: THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE. I AM NOT A PHYSICIAN.

But the answer is now increasingly clear: natural immunity from Covid following infection and recovery is HIGHLY protective against future Covid infections. Rates of reinfection are very low.

Perhaps natural immunity eventually wanes, but we don’t know when. In fact, a little-noticed paper from June suggests it may actually strengthen for at least a year – and provide plenty of protection from Delta and other variants.

I am not going into the problems with vaccine-generated protection today or with our political unwillingness to recognize natural immunity. (Remember, GOOD NEWS – we could all use it).

Let’s just look instead at why natural immunity works so well.

You immune response comes in two forms: “humoral” and “cellular.”

When you are infected with Sars-Cov-2, your body’s “B-cells” – part of the immune system – quickly pour out “antibodies.” These antibodies attack the viral particles circulating in your blood and other fluids, hoping to keep the virus from entering your cells and replicating itself.

This is humoral immunity. Your B-cells make antibodies in many different shapes. Some are better at sticking to the virus. Scientists call these “neutralizing” antibodies because they neutralize the “antigen,” the foreign body attacking you, keeping it from entering your cells.

Amazingly, your B-cells quickly figure out which antibodies neutralize most effectively and make more of them, while cutting back on those that don’t work.

At the same time, another part of the immune system – killer or CD8 T-cells – attacks cells that the virus has already infected. You destroy your own cells to prevent the virus from using them to make more copies of itself. This is cellular immunity.

For a few days after you are infected, your immune system is in a race with the virus. If you win the race, defeat the virus, and recover – as the vast majority of people infected with Sars-Cov-2 do – within a week or two you should have no measurable levels of virus in your body.

With no invader provoking a response, your B-cells will stop making antibodies against the virus. Over time, the antibodies you have made will slowly degrade – a change scientists can measure.

Antibody levels are measured as “titers” – how much the part of the blood that contains antibodies must be diluted before it stops neutralizing the coronavirus (or any antigen).

The details of how scientists measure titers are complicated. But the takeaway is simple – higher titers mean more antibodies in the initial sample. Higher titers are better, unless they are so high they indicate an overactive immune response. Over time, titers will decline.

But your immune system has not forgotten the virus. Both B-cells and T-cells are now trained to respond to it, should it reappear. (Confusingly, the immune system includes two types of T-cells, CD4 and CD8, and many subtypes of both B- and T-cells.)

This “adaptive” response explains why people remain immune to some viruses for their entire lives after being infected once – or inoculated with an effective vaccine.

Scientists have different ways to measure your immune response.

They can measure how tightly your antibodies bind to an antigen (the virus), how many different parts of the antigen they attack, how quickly your B- and T-cells will ramp up to make new antibodies or attack infected cells, and even whether those antibodies can recognize new variants of the original antigen.

In June, Rockefeller University researchers published a paper in Nature examining how antibodies changed up to a year after coronavirus infection and recovery.

The authors found that:

B cell clones expressing broad and potent antibodies are selectively retained in the repertoire over time and expand markedly after vaccination. The data suggest that immunity in convalescent individuals will be very long lasting.

(In a second paper published in late July, the authors found that vaccines did NOT produce a similarly powerful response in B-cells. But we’re not going to talk about that today. Good news, remember?)

In July, another group of researchers published similar findings in Cell:

 

Again, the authors offered reassuring findings:

Here, we evaluate 254 COVID-19 patients longitudinally up to 8 months and find durable broad-based immune responses. SARS-CoV-2 spike binding and neutralizing antibodies [have] an extended half-life of >200 days suggesting the generation of longer-lived plasma cells… Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients.

T-cell immunity was also durable, the authors found, and the killer T-cells could recognize not just the coronavirus’s spike protein but other parts of the virus.

(Again, the paper offered reasons to believe vaccine immunity was inferior, but we won’t talk about that, not today.)

A paper from Israel released Sunday reported that antibody titers in people who had recovered from infection fell only 5 percent a month (titers in the vaccinated fell 40 percent a month, though from a higher baseline).

Even better, between four and nine months after infection, the percentage of people with low titers remained roughly flat, at 10 percent.

Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full

All these papers should increase our confidence that natural immunity is durable and powerful. But what about real-world data?

Fortunately, we now have several studies examining large groups of previously infected people. In perhaps the most striking, the Cleveland Clinic reported in June a reinfection rate of zero among 1,359 people with natural immunity:

Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study.

Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2 

(The political pressure for vaccination is such that the Cleveland Clinic then issued a press release basically pretending the study didn’t say what it did. But we won’t talk about that today, good news, etc.)

And this week, Israeli researchers looking at a much larger group of people also found very, very low reinfection rates. Only 19 out of 16,215 people with natural immunity had a second infection from June 1 to August 14 (far fewer than the number of vaccinated people who were infected in a matched group).

These findings are particularly important because the Delta variant accounted for nearly all coronavirus infections in Israel by this summer. In other words, natural immunity remained protective against Delta.

Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text

So there’s your good news. Both the theoretical bench work and the real-world data suggest that natural immunity is long-lasting and protective even against Sars-Cov-2 variants that can evade vaccines.

I’ll leave it to you to decide whether that means you need a vaccine if you have already had and recovered from Covid.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
August 28, 2021 12:55 pm

Here are a couple of reasons why natural immunity might be superior to vaxx immunity. I’ve been a practicing physician for nearly 50 years, but I am not an infectious disease specialist, so take my advice for whatever you think it’s worth.

First, there are four major structural proteins in the Covid virus – the membrane, envelope, nucleocapsid, and spike proteins. The vaxx only targets the spike protein. Infection will cause your body to develop immunity to all of them.

Second, the Covid virus is transmitted via the respiratory tract, IOW we inhale it. Lymphoid tissue in our respiratory mucosa will produce secretory Iga – basically antibodies in our snot – which can fight micro-organisms like Covid following respiratory tract exposure. The vaxx is directly injected, bypasses the respiratory mucosa, and does not lead to protective secretory IgA.

If I were developing a Covid vaccine, I’d use a killed or attenuated virus to provide immunity to all major structural proteins, and I’d aim for intranasal rather than parenteral administration.

credit
credit
  Winston Smith
August 28, 2021 1:19 pm

“If I were developing a Covid vaccine…”

then again, you’re not an evil megalomaniac

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Winston Smith
August 28, 2021 6:17 pm

Natural immunity has been shown to be an order of magnitude (or more) better than the newly developed and still experimental “vaccinations”.

mark
mark
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 10:07 pm

Replace “vaccinations” with “kill/depopulation injections’ No Name.

No half stepp’in.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  mark
August 28, 2021 10:21 pm

The vaccines are truly satan’s work. Avoid them at all costs to your soul.

Gammer
Gammer
  Winston Smith
August 28, 2021 10:56 pm

OAS has always been a problem for vaccines. (Original Antigenic Sin). That’s why they tried various nose spray vaxs. Aed is the other tech hurdle and is now raising its ugly head in the morass of breakthrough cases.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Gammer
August 29, 2021 8:15 am

The word breakthrough is being used in manner that is not accurate. You have to actually been given some immunity in order for a breakthrough to occur. No one is immune to anything with the experimental vaxxes. They cannot stop infection or prevent transmission, neither can they lessen symptoms.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Winston Smith
August 29, 2021 8:12 am

Of course the fact that the virus has not been isolated prevents using killed or attenuated virus for a vaccine. This is why the frankenvax is being used to do whatever nefarious evil that governments have planned for those who take their poison.

Ken31
Ken31
August 28, 2021 1:14 pm

The boomer professors can easily pull the wool over the eyes of students undergrad and grad alike. The reasons are specialization, experience, and especially the lowest quality of student since at least the great war. Thankfully they are all dying and retiring.

They might talk about masks and vaccines and the official narratives on those things that they will nod their head in vigorous agreement with. You won’t find them talking about natural immunity or the effects of “non-sterilizing vaccines”.

The old timers are taking a lot of knowledge and wisdom with them and an even greater measure of foolishness. There are still a lot (nominally, not proportionally) of brilliant and motivated students, but the lies in which everyone is forced to swim are hugely limiting. I am done with it all.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Ken31
August 28, 2021 1:46 pm

No, no. The leftists share the power of the cybernetic narrative among functional kindred. (So does the cuck right.) Those who dislike transparency dislike social standards based on producer merit and cling to social norms of parasite merit. They are cooperative parasites. There is no wool at this point except on the young, and hate for this parenting makes my blood boils as I write this, but what potential are these young? Most will be even worse parents as directed if the trend holds. It could hold under new management, but let us hope not, my fav strategy under these circumstances. Baby lions are not innocent. They will maul you if nurtured enough. Exceptions don’t last forever. Bernoulli trials, Siegfried and Roy.

Ken31
Ken31
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 3:37 pm

” transparency dislike social standards”

That is it right there. Where one goes, so does the other. You can see that everywhere.

These old folks have personal social standards, but they never defended them and they never articulated them. They just held on to them hoping to influence some of who passed by. I think they were teaching lessons different than that, though.

The younger ones just set up walls of cognitive dissonance and are proud that they figured out the code to success. The walls are closing in on everyone though. People are desperate for real leadership. Which is exactly how they install the next tyrant.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 6:20 pm

Yes, for thousands of generations, humans have lamented that the young are worthless and will certainly let the world go to ruin.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Ken31
August 28, 2021 1:59 pm

I doubt that professors born between 1946 and 1964 are appreciably less wise than those born between, say, 1965 and 1980. From what I see, both age cohorts are equally susceptible to groupthink. You even have someone like Dan Rather (born 1931) who doesn’t seem to suffer from any age-related dementia, but whose opinions seem to come from the same wellspring as those of your average 21 year old coed majoring in environmental studies.

Mista Shape Shifta
Mista Shape Shifta
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 2:29 pm

We are all human, after all, and have the same human failings.

(Except for those hosting supradimensional Icke lizards, of course.)

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Mista Shape Shifta
August 28, 2021 3:09 pm

No, we’re not all human, or being human is so trivial among hominids it is intellectually irrelevant. No, we don’t have the same human failings. Tribal savages don’t make civilization or the failings of civilization. Just because anybody can be an astronaut does not mean anybody can be a real astronaut.

Mista Shape Shifta
Mista Shape Shifta
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 6:08 pm

We are all more alike than we are different. Each of us humans has the capacity to be good or evil, wise or foolish, loving or hating, constructive or destructive. Intellectual and racial differences have little to do with it, other than some races being more easily tricked by (((other races))) into busting up Target stores and stealing the televisions.

In terms of intellect being the big answer, I’m on the fence with this. We white people invented all kinds of cool stuff, most of western civilization in fact, but ultimately we are building a prison for the whole world. Our body count of people killed for stupid ideologies for the past century is astronomical. We seem to be choosing evil over good, hate over love and foolish over wise. It isn’t entirely (((them))) making us act stupid. I expect the body count to go way higher soon.

Meanwhile, in Africa and Arabia, you have your occasional genocides and tribal conflicts, but nothing like what us white, oriental and jewish folk have demonstrated.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Mista Shape Shifta
August 28, 2021 8:01 pm

There is some case to be made for creative destruction, and ecology employs it all the time. From a biblical perspective, winning on earth is bad. Success is bad. Power is bad. I think you are denying the natural reality of things. You of course believe I am denying the spiritual nature of things. Around and around.

Ken31
Ken31
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 3:43 pm

Those are good points and I didn’t mean to imply different. But I know for a fact that they never managed to improve things and things got worse under their stewardship.

I expect GenX to be judged on those same metrics at our end, but we are not going to be a majority in power our whole lives. Heck, as many as can are getting out of the way right now. I think I personally know more people retired my age than I do Boomers, but it is close. We lucky few.

NormanFranklin
NormanFranklin
August 28, 2021 3:29 pm

I need no convincing. I’ve seen it all my life, natural immunity, especially in otherwise healthy individuals is unbeatable. I read the article and had a hard time following. My brain isn’t always able to work that hard. The guy says he’s not a physician. Whatever, he seems to have a very good grasp of the science of immunology.

TheAssegai
TheAssegai
August 28, 2021 3:46 pm

A healthy immune system is the result of eliminating consumption of certain things and consuming certain things. Foremost to eliminate are:

1. Sugar
2. Seed (vegetable) oils
3. Processed food

NormanFranklin
NormanFranklin
  TheAssegai
August 28, 2021 4:03 pm

Bingo, Sugar is the hardest. I think if you can eliminate all or most refined sugar it s a world of difference. Olive oil, avocado oil, coconut, and peanut are almost the only ones we use. And of course white flour is shit, as are most carbs.

TheAssegai
TheAssegai
  NormanFranklin
August 28, 2021 4:39 pm

You are probably aware of this, but I’ll throw it out just in case. We use a lot of EVOO as well, but you have to be really careful about where you purchase it. I believe the number is 98% of all labeled EVOO is NOT. 98% has been ‘cut’ with seed oils, primarily canola. The seed oils (commonly known as vegetable oils) are Refined, Bleached and Deoderized, they are really bad. There is no regulation, true EVOO is expensive, and so by ‘cutting’ the real stuff and labeling as EVOO profits are good. You pretty much need to purchase from an olive oil speciality shop. The more polyphenol the better. The speciality shops will tell you the polyphenol number, but you can also do the ‘three cough test’. Put a half tablespoon or so in a little cup, rub the bottom in your hand to warm it and then swig it (yes real olive oil is delicious), if the result is you cough three times, the polyphenols are high. For a deeper dive into the whole racket, the book ‘Extra Virginity’ lays it out.

NormanFranklin
NormanFranklin
  TheAssegai
August 28, 2021 4:52 pm

‘Extra virginity’ sounds spicy. Stoped using Vegetable oil 20 years ago, I think we used to call em rapeseed oils. Corn as well is awful. Just on the basis of all the glyphosate in the corn. Nice tip about the cough test.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  TheAssegai
August 28, 2021 6:30 pm

Good info. I had a bad extra virgin experience like I had a bad tequila experience, and never tried it again.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 9:08 pm

A bad extra virgin experience. Care to elaborate? On second thought…nevermind.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Mygirl....maybe
August 28, 2021 11:52 pm

he’s talking about the time he & some buddies were drunk on spring break & stumbled into a gay bar–
his buddies wound up leaving without him & dougie was blind drunk so you can guess the rest–
rumor has it that there were no feminine napkins to be had anywhere in ft lauderdale 4 a few days that spring–
at least he did have sense enough to quit drinking & find some different friends–

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
August 29, 2021 12:04 am

But NEVER FORGET. Thanks to their shuttering of businesses, forcing of mask mandates, social distancing, etc. many millions were deprived of the opportunity to get exposed and build up natural immunity. Then, they compounded the problem by LYING to those who did get exposed, by telling them they had to get the “vaccine” to be “safe.” Criminal medical malpractice and crimes against humanity for sure.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  MrLiberty
August 29, 2021 8:22 am

Yes, everything that was done allowed the virus to linger and mutate. Had nothing been done other than look after the sick this virus would have been gone by late April 2020.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  very old white guy
August 29, 2021 9:10 am

whitey,
i agree w/you–if you think back on it,trump did not appear to be taking it very serious & it was actually those of us on his side who were getting antsy about closing the doors to china,etc.–
only after it became political did he really do anything,and then the dems went full on pro china,going to c’town & calling trump a racist,etc.–