India vs Pakistan

Probably not 5% of TBP readers gives a Rat’s Hiney about India vs Pakistan.  There are so many more important things to worry about. However, may I remind you that a no-name Serbian assassinated a no-name minor Austrian official, which led to WWI.  You just never know which “straw” will break the camel’s back.  Oh, I’m sure you know India and Pakistan don’t like each other very much, and both have …. nukes. Crazy mooslims and wacko Hindoos with nukes … what could possibly go wrong?? Hey, at least it’s not YACA!  (Yet Another Covid Article)

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Washington Wants to Conquer by Dividing

India and Pakistan share a long border and do not get along well, to put it mildly. The main cause of disagreement is the divided territory of Kashmir which as long ago as 1948 necessitated UN Security Council attention, resulting in a Resolution determining, among other things, that there should be a “free and impartial plebiscite to decide whether the State of Jammu and Kashmir is to accede to India or Pakistan.” This has not happened and the seemingly insoluble dispute could well lead to a fourth war between the countries, both of which are nuclear-armed.

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It might be thought that in such circumstances the world’s “best-educated, best-prepared” nation that President Biden also declares has “unmatched strength” would apply at least some of its education, preparation and power to encouraging India and Pakistan to engage in meaningful negotiations and move towards rapprochement.

Not a hope.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman recently visited India and Pakistan, but rather than attempting to coax and persuade her host nations to reduce bilateral tension and confrontation she publicly insulted Pakistan and urged India to cooperate militarily even more closely with the U.S. She widened the chasm of polarisation in a public speech in India’s commercial centre, Mumbai, by declaring “We don’t see ourselves building a broad relationship with Pakistan, and we have no interest in returning to the days of hyphenated India-Pakistan. That’s not where we are. That’s not where we’re going to be.” Not content with demonstrably taking sides and thus stoking fires in a tinder-box region, she said that when she went on to Pakistan next day her discussions there would be for “a very specific and narrow purpose”, and everything that was discussed would be passed on to India because “we share information back and forth between our governments”.

The reasons for this surge in U.S. support for India in its face-off with Pakistan are not hard to detect, and the main one is that India and China are at loggerheads, and indeed in a state of aggressive military standoff. Any country in disagreement with China is automatically regarded with approval by Washington, while any country that actively cooperates with China — like Pakistan — is equally automatically considered to be an enemy of freedom.

The U.S. needed Pakistan during its 20-year military occupation of Afghanistan, and attempted to use successive governments in Islamabad to assist in its operations. But now that it and the Nato military alliance and some 300,000 members of Afghanistan’s own military forces have been decisively routed by about 70,000 barbaric, bigoted, raggy-baggy Taliban savages, it is increasingly attractive for the Biden administration to blame anyone other than the Pentagon and the Washington establishment for the catastrophic debacle. They claim that Pakistan helped the Taliban — and it cannot be denied that the government and its military in Islamabad maintained contact with the Afghan Taliban, for good reasons.

As I wrote some years ago, in 2007 the then head of the Directorate of Inter Services Intelligence, General Kayani (who became army chief), “told the author, in answer to a direct question, that ‘of course’ he maintained contact with some subversive groups, thereby not only holding doors ajar for negotiations but keeping track of various members of such organisations. He stated that if he did not have some sort of contact with these people they would simply disappear and his directorate would lose what ever degree of influence it had that it might be able to bring to bear on them when the need arose.”

So he kept contact — and there was indubitable need for Pakistan’s influence and assistance in Afghanistan.

In December 2018 even Voice of America reported that after U.S.-Taliban negotiations in Abu Dhabi “Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan . . . reiterated his country “will do everything within its power” to further the Afghan peace process.” Khan is quoted as saying “Pakistan has helped in the dialogue between Taliban and the U.S. in Abu Dhabi. Let us pray that this leads to peace and ends almost three decades of suffering of the brave Afghan people.” Washington downplayed the importance of Pakistan’s assistance, but VOA acknowledged that “The U.S. spokesperson also said a recent letter from U.S. President Donald Trump to Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan ‘emphasized that Pakistan’s assistance with the Afghan peace process is fundamental to building an enduring U.S.-Pakistan partnership’.”

The International Crisis Group is objective about Pakistan and noted recently that “As early as the 2001 Bonn conference that drew up a roadmap for post-invasion Afghanistan, Pakistan had asked for the Taliban’s inclusion in consultations on Afghanistan’s constitutional and political restructuring. A former senior Pakistani diplomat said Pakistan had ‘pleaded with the U.S. to include the Taliban in Bonn’. Pakistan’s consistent efforts to persuade the U.S. to bring the Taliban into the political mainstream appeared to bear fruit a decade later, when the Obama administration signalled its intention to leave Afghanistan and its openness to talking with the Taliban.” And the numerous attempts to move to a peaceful solution staggered along, aided by Pakistan’s influence, which incurred the wrath of Washington on the grounds that Pakistan provided “safe havens to terrorist organisations”.

The fact that before the U.S. invasion in 2001 Pakistan had suffered only one suicide bombing (by a nutty Egyptian trying to blow up his embassy) and that in the period January 2002 to October 10, 2021, as calculated by India’s South Asia Terrorism Portal, there were 594 suicide attacks, killing over 5,000 civilians, might seem at variance with allegations that Pakistan likes terrorists, as does the fact that 1231 members of the military have been killed as a result of the U.S. war, including 24 who died in a particularly savage strafing attack by U.S. strike aircraft on the Pakistan side of the border with Afghanistan.

Not only has Pakistan suffered enormously from terrorist barbarism, there are about 1.4 million registered Afghan refugees in the country along with a further 1.5 million unregistered — and more are flooding in following the recent debacle. Social, economic and security problems arising from the presence of these exiles continue to be enormous, yet the U.S. refuses to acknowledge that there could be great difficulty in identifying Taliban sympathisers or adherents among the millions. And, as an Atlantic Council analyst points out, “U.S. policymakers have turned a blind eye to the negative impact of an unstable Afghanistan on Pakistan . . .”

But Pakistan is on Washington’s back-burner and President Biden won’t speak with Prime Minister Imran Khan, which is regarded by Pakistan as a deliberate insult. On the other hand, the President warmly greeted Indian Prime Minister Modi to the White House in September and was effusive in declaring that he wanted “to welcome my friend — and we have known each other for some time — back to the White House. And, Mr. Prime Minister, we’re going to continue to build on our strong partnership.”

Washington’s continuing bias regarding India versus Pakistan will serve no useful purpose for the U.S. It will drive Pakistan closer to China, with which it already has most extensive and important economic ties, and bolster India’s determination to step up its dangerous face-off with Beijing. Washington wants to conquer by dividing the sub-continent, but all it’s doing is increasing the probability of greater confrontation which will lead to conflict. Wendy Sherman’s declaration that “We don’t see ourselves building a broad relationship with Pakistan” was a major diplomatic blunder that fuelled the fires of hostility.

Biden and his hawks should pause to think where they’re trying to take the world, and consider an approach that could lead to negotiation and compromise rather than encouraging India and Pakistan on a course to war.

SOURCE:  strategic-culture.org

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Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
October 20, 2021 3:27 pm

There are good reasons why most (the vast majority) of americans and the rest of the residents of the earth couldn’t give a fuck less about Indians (dot) and Pakis.

1 There is WAY too many of both
2 Who longs for some good old Paki cuisine? Almost no one.
3 They live on the other side of the world and want to kill each other. We don’t give a fuck if the Crips and Bloods in LA kill each other and all their families, and we are supposed to care about foreigners on the other side of the world? Yeah, right…
4 There just does not seem to be that many hot women or handsome men from that part of the world. Given that there are a billion and a hlf of them, the raw numbers of hotties must be detectable, but as a percentage of the whole? Not so much.

I could go on. There are so many other things to care about…. Indians and Paki’s just don’t come anywhere near the cut line.

Foot in the Forest
Foot in the Forest
  Brian Reilly
October 20, 2021 4:14 pm

Until they start lobbing nukes.

Bilgeman
Bilgeman
  Foot in the Forest
October 21, 2021 9:55 am

I’m not seeing this as “a problem” for us…and not really even for them.

Been to both lands. They’re both largely Malthusian shit-holes.

Actually, being vaporized into an incandescent fart of gas is probably a valid and worthy goal for someone inhabiting the slums of Jamnagar or Karachi.

They’d likely get telegrams of congratulation from their kinfolk on having achieved Nookyular 7th Heaven.

Any Moose
Any Moose
  Stucky
October 21, 2021 2:07 am

Maybe Dementia can convince Mayor Pete-once he masters getting his titties sucked properly-to enter the realm of Foreign Policy. That would be sure to give Putin a huge belly laugh. Waiting for the headlines in WaPo. God help us.

Bilgeman
Bilgeman
  Any Moose
October 21, 2021 9:49 am

“Mayor Pete-once he masters getting his titties sucked properly-to enter the realm of Foreign Policy.”

This was a truly VILE statement on several different levels, sir.

Color me “impressed”.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
October 20, 2021 3:28 pm

Hinduism is better than Islam. Indian food is better than Pakistani, and Kashmir produces some great agricultural products. And let’s not forget….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Z2o0

ICE-9
ICE-9
  MrLiberty
October 20, 2021 3:53 pm

Actually, I beg to differ. The Muslim Indian food has meat, and one has to pretty much go to a Halal butcher to get lamb and goat around where I live.

Learned about Indian food from a Moslem guy from Punjab that lived in my apartment complex and owned the only Indian restaurant in town at the time. Trouble I have is I learned the Punjabi names for most of the traditional dishes, so I’m useless at a restaurant owned by a Marathi or Gujarati. You have to learn like 7 names for most dishes.

BL
BL
  ICE-9
October 20, 2021 8:30 pm

Ice- I love Indian food. Certain curries are top of the list for me. Madras lentils are damn good with finely chopped red onions on top.

RayK
RayK
October 20, 2021 3:32 pm

“Biden and his hawks should pause to think…”

Yeah. Right.

ICE-9
ICE-9
October 20, 2021 3:46 pm

Hindu vs Muslim, with Sikhs and Jains an a few Zoroastrians caught in the middle of them.

Foot in the Forest
Foot in the Forest
October 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Any war is a good war for TPTB. The more the merrier and the bigger the profit margin.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Foot in the Forest
October 20, 2021 5:56 pm

More money for Rothschild families. The MIC gets a little action and more profit. I’m just gonna duck and wait till Jesus comes and sorts this mess out. Nothing I can do about it.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
October 20, 2021 4:21 pm

Mooslim extremists taking control of Pakistani nukes is my best guess
Nuke a towel or dot head for Jesus.
LOL!

Nig
Nig
October 20, 2021 4:37 pm

Both have nukes? Says who, you? Go learn some real history and not the propaganda you have been fed in the government run indoctrination camps, cleverly disguised as schools.

Any Moose
Any Moose
  Stucky
October 21, 2021 2:10 am

Careful now, there may be a Barack amongst us.

falconflight
falconflight
  Nig
October 20, 2021 5:12 pm

Do you have double fake enigma evidence discounting either nation’s apparent nuclear arsenals?

Any Moose
Any Moose
  falconflight
October 21, 2021 2:11 am

Damn, just when we needed Colin Powell.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 20, 2021 4:58 pm

Stucky: Love your work but check that Austrian official……Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand was first in line for the Austro-Hungarian throne and visited Sarajevo on the anniversary of an important Bosnian holiday…….

Also…..Pakistan controls (funds) Afghanistan and we fund Pakistan…….think about that.

Wendy Sherman is a career state department idiot and a poor second act to a failed SECSTATE………makes you long for John Kerry….since he only puts his foot in his mouth on occasion……

Any Moose
Any Moose
  Anonymous
October 21, 2021 2:15 am

You dance around a near certainty: whomever gets the most Foreign Aid becomes our temporary “friend”. It has been that way ever since there were rumblings in Southeast Asia back in the 1950s. Egypt knows how to play that game also. Need another Aswan Dam?

Peter Horry
Peter Horry
October 20, 2021 4:59 pm

“However, may I remind you that a no-name Serbian assassinated a no-name minor Austrian official, which led to WWI”

WTF Stucky? The Black Hand assassinated a fucking HAPSBURG. And not just any Hapsburg, but the heir to the goddamn Dual Monarchy.

I know that not many Amerikans give two shits about crowned heads and all, but in 1914, this murdered man was not exactly a “no-name minor Austrian official.” Rather, he was the scion of one of the greatest European dynasties ever to reign in the West, with dynastic roots going back to to the 13th Century. He was the Archduke, dude. The fucking Crown Prince of the Realm..

Somehow I thought you were of Austrian or Germanic descent? Study the history of your heritage much, do ya? Murder the heir of my House, and the weight and fury of every bayonet, saber and cannon that I can bring to bear on your ass is coming down range most ricki tick and your cities will burn. And I don’t even have Ulhans.

When you lead in your article with historically ignorant bullshit, it makes fans of yours like me not want to read your otherwise thought-provoking article.

Next, you’ll be telling me (again) that Britain, Canada and the USSR had already beaten Germany before Hitler declared war on Amerika in December 1941.

But thanks for the good read. Thought-provoking.

Peter Horry
Peter Horry
  Stucky
October 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Sorry brother. I got off the tractor and had some beers and then read and responded to your post. Wish I had waited and thought before I started bloviating. I wouldn’t have.

Austrian history rocks. The better Germans, kinda like South Carolina is the Tastier Peach State. Anyway, I’m WAY more American than Huguenot so I feel ya.

I blame the Sam Adams, the best Yankee beer I can get here in Dixie. Keep up the fire, man. Great article.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
October 20, 2021 9:57 pm

Stuck

Do not sweat the small stuff or pole vault over mouse turds….keep the good work up

PSBindy
PSBindy
  Stucky
October 21, 2021 8:52 pm

And Obummer knew they spoke Austrian over there.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
October 20, 2021 5:15 pm

It not that I don’t give a rats behind about the two countries, it is simply there is way to much disinformation overload out there. What is anyone to believe anymore? Besides, this crap is coming to our shores this time. I think we need to pay attention to what is wrong with this country first.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 20, 2021 5:37 pm

I like Modi. He stands up for his people – the Hindus – and doesn’t feel the need to kiss the asses of the Muslims. He’s like Hungary’s Viktor Orban in that way. I like all nationalists and hate all globalists.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Iska Waran
October 20, 2021 6:01 pm

Orban 2024

Any Moose
Any Moose
  Balbinus
October 21, 2021 2:19 am

Maybe the Russians really will interfere this time.

m
m
  Iska Waran
October 20, 2021 6:16 pm

Yes, especially when Modi confiscated large denomination bills (unless you deposited them in a bank, within a week), he really showed how he stands for the people. Not for the big banks or globalists. Brandon should also do that, nobody needs bigger than $10 bills.

I still haven’t changed my opinion that if TPTB manage to push a country to play the patsy for starting WW3, it will be India.

Ralph
Ralph
  m
October 21, 2021 2:21 am

Paid my house painter in hundreds this summer. Screw the tax man.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
October 20, 2021 9:35 pm

When TPTB want war, ANY excuse will do, and their compliant media lapdogs will promote any story they write for them….and most idiots will wave the flag and believe them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 21, 2021 5:53 am

So…? We already living in this horrible Covid tyranny, among the disgusting mass of human cattle. If all end in nuclear fire, that would be a blessing.

Bilgeman
Bilgeman
October 21, 2021 9:47 am

“Biden and his hawks…”?

Everything this guy says is BULLSHIT.

Inconvenient little facts:

1) Pakistan gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden for YEARS.
2)Pakistan gave safe haven to Taliban for YEARS.
3)Because Pakistan has nyooks, we never did a “Cambodia” style incursion to clean those bastards out, but Pakistan never bothered to do that either.
4)Pakistan LIKES Muslim fighters because if it gets itself into a scrap with a billion Indian Slurpee-jockeys, Pakistan is effin’ TOAST.
5) The lack of anti-Taliban support by Pakistan was instrumental in our fatigue with the chore of denying Afghanistan as the safe haven for Taliban and AQ.
6) Our departure from Afghanistan means that we don’t NEED Pakistan anymore, so the dot-heads have a free hand to bust a move on them if they like.
7) Sucks to be Pakistan.
8) Not OUR problem.