The Case for Secession

Submitted by Keith B.

Guest Post by T.L Davis

There’s an odd dichotomy among the right. The TNVOWOOT crowd, who clearly and openly recognize that voting is not the solution to anything also seem stuck within the broken framework, refusing to recognize that secession is the only possible solution for states seeking a life boat from the titanic of the United States. Many of them believe that there’ll be a civil war, but they envision one of arms and tactics and strategy, but I think it’s even broader than that and would probably stem from secession, but only if that is possible, otherwise it’ll be a slow winnowing down of resistance by one means or another. I’m sure Biden’s crew has a lot of good ideas on how to do that.

Consider for a moment the years of antagonism between the North and South before, during and after the actual kinetic struggle. To this day, that conflict has never been quite resolved in the hearts and minds of either side, even though the media blames all of the long-held resentments on the South, that isn’t true. The narrative that the South was to blame is itself a demonstration that the North still can’t just let it go and accept their culpability. They seem determined to make the South forever pay a bigger and longer-lasting penalty for a conflict that was, at best mutual and at worst solely the aggression of the North.

Today, the lines aren’t so clearly drawn as North and South, because the opposition, the communists, have seized control of many of the national and even state bureaucracies. In order to effectively separate something must be done with them, a dissolution of government or a purging of any sitting official.

This is like so many things in our national narratives. The communists contend that the elections weren’t stolen, that to claim they were is some sort of conspiracy theory, even though video and statistical proof is widely available. Simple math like having 141 million registered voters and arriving at a total for both campaigns at something like 155 million votes cast elude them. But even to get to the 141 million mark one has to believe that every single registered voter voted, something that is impossible due to illness, death before election day, the fact that some registered voters have been on the roles and marked as possible votes even a decade after their deaths, etc. Even so, there’s a simple solution, voter ID and paper ballots, but mention that and they plug their ears and begin to chant “voter suppression” even knowing that it’s nonsense. Proving one’s ability to vote in a society where that right can be taken away by commission of a felony is not unreasonable, or suppressive. The reason they won’t hear of it is that acknowledgment of it would rightly and justifiably undermine their authority. Authority is the one thing they can and will never relinquish, not without a fight, so they play dumb and support the irrational and illogical narrative.

The one thing most of us can agree on, including somewhere near 63% of the American people, is that the last few elections were marred by interference: either from voting machines switching votes; cover-ups of crimes of the Biden family; censorship in Big Tech tilting the playing field; or outright fraudulent ballots dumped on counting centers in the middle of the night. Where only a small minority of the people believe in the election system, there can be no republic and certainly no democracy.

Now that the communists have seized the government bureaucracies, city, county, state and federal and have made elections highly suspect if not outright fraudulent, at least in crucial races that can hinder or help those bureaucracies, there is no possibility of republican form of government, because 90% of a republican form of government is derived from the authority transferred from the people to their representatives through an honest election. Otherwise, there is no transfer of authority and government cannot function under anything other than authoritarian rule and/or blatant tyranny. They don’t have the authority, but they have force and that’s what makes them tyrannical.

We don’t have to live like this.

Very few of the American people actually believe in climate change or the transgender/pedophile agenda. More and more are coming to understand that the vaxx was much deadlier than the virus it was supposed to eradicate and that local governments or corporations forced it on them. It was a bioweapon. The tactics to make them priorities in the nation are all the same. It’s pushed through the banking system. Corporations are heavily incentivized by either large investment firms like Blackrock, or government officials who accept campaign donations from them or corporations that are controlled by them and globalist billionaires. Whether that is ideological or agenda driven, it benefits the globalist idea of reducing American power and influence worldwide and/or denuding what exists of American world power.

The evidence of the globalist endeavor to conquer America is in the open border policies that avail themselves to thousands of enemy combatants entering our nation for one purpose or another, none of them good. At least, not for Americans.

The Republican majority in the House has shown that it has no intention of countering any of these policies and recently proved that it’s openly working with Democrats to ensure and finance them forever.

What about winning in 2024? Did you not just witness 2020 and 2022? The Supreme Court, where the laws are generally verified or overturned based on the Constitution, the single entity that could recognize these election laws as ultimately undoing the very foundation of the republic, honest elections, has proven itself incapable of countering the death plan for America laid out by the rest of the government.

In short, there is no systematic relief, it falls on us, the people.

An example is Haiti, not typically a source for inspiration, I grant you that, but recently they’ve had enough of gangs running the country. Gangs have backed down the police and controlled the government against the wishes of the people, who have been driven indoors, terrified to even go shopping for fear of being killed or kidnapped. Lately, the people have formed vigilante committees and have taken gang members into custody, of sorts, doused them with gasoline and set them on fire.

The same thing was true on the American frontier, it’s just so distant that most people wouldn’t make the connection. Not having gasoline, yet, and kerosene being too expensive and hard to ship, they just hung them.

Without systematic relief, our choices are these:

  1. Engage in vigilantism
  2. Engage in kinetic conflict with the state on an individual basis, surely to end in death and to the detriment of one’s family
  3. Separate oneself from the irrevocably corrupt system by leaving the United States
  4. Accept the irrevocably corrupt system as the new normal, which means:
    1. Accepting a dysfunctional banking system where all assets hold a value of zero, but debts will be owed at current value
    2. Accepting limited and spotty electrical service
    3. Accepting eating insects instead of beef, chicken and pork
    4. Accepting having no say in governmental affairs
    5. Accepting the transgender/pedophile agenda and cooperate with it
    6. Accepting housing illegal immigrants who will run a pedophile ring or other immoral activities out of your house, subjecting your children to that atmosphere
    7. Accepting WHO dictates as to what injections you must have, what you drive, where you go, what you do
    8. Accepting the permanent surveillance state as obligatory
    9. Accepting the indoctrination of yourself and your children through government run camps and/or “employment training”
    10. Accepting the surrender all firearms
  5. Separate your state from affiliation with the federal government of the United States
  6. Wait for the Revelation Prophecy to be fulfilled

You notice that nowhere on that list is waiting for Trump or someone else to win some election and save the nation. Even if that were to happen, it’ll be a re-run of 2017-2021 term of Trump. The system didn’t get this corrupt in the last few years, the seeds have been long sewn, at least to the Administrative State boon of 1913, glorified and codified in 1938.

The fundamental understanding of the government’s relationship with the individual has changed from the days of freedom when the bureaucrats served the people to one where the people serve the bureaucracy. They’ve spent a lot of time building the rules and regulations around the idea of making the individual subservient to the state. That will never change unless the fundamentals change, that has never been accomplished short of kinetic resolution.

Today, you can choose from one of the six choices I’ve outlined, or choose from an option I haven’t listed, but likely most will choose #4 and somewhere along the required accepting principles they might choose any of the others, but it will be too late.

Choice #3 is tempting, I have to admit, but there are few options and must be thoroughly investigated

Choice #5 is difficult and therefore will not be chosen very often, not enough to actually put it into effect, but it’s the only one that allows for us to live in the land of our fathers, availing ourselves of the blessings of this land and rejecting the authoritarian walls being built up around us bigger and stronger every single day and often every hour of every day.

The recent implementation of the debt-ceiling bill cemented our fate to #4. There will not be enough left after paying the interest on the debt by 2024 to reverse the course of debt we’ve set, it is perpetual. There will not be the political will to impose any austerity measures that will solve the problem. In fact, the looming commercial real estate crisis will be the catalyst to the banking crisis during which they will “bail in” all of your funds and leave you with nothing in the bank and nowhere to earn a salary as it will also destroy your industry. One might think that the FDIC will insure their deposit of $250,000, but that’s illogical to count on that when they can just say that is wasn’t an actual bank failure, but a societal condition and therefore inapplicable. They’re doing this to have the government take over all forms of production, power generation, oil and gas (it won’t be bad when the state owns it), agriculture, media (including internet) education, health and even religion.

We don’t have to live like this, but we do have to make the right choices now, while we still can, if we still can.

The charges for the declaration of independence from the United States are these:

  1. A failure to discharge the fiduciary responsibility of congress to the people
  2. A failure to secure the rights of the people against government intrusion
  3. A failure to secure the nation from invasion and facilitation of the same
  4. A failure to secure a republican form of government
  5. A failure to faithfully and fairly execute the laws passed by representatives of the people
  6. A failure to secure the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the people
  7. A failure to hold accountable those within their presence who violate their oaths
  8. Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the nation, both foreign and domestic
  9. Pursuing the persecution of citizens based on race and religious affiliation

That list can obviously be expanded, but that’s really enough if seeking legitimate charges are the goal. Most of these were not even true during the first secession of states.

I write this post with the absolute understanding of the American psyche and will, so I am skeptical of any action whatsoever, but before I make my choice of the six, I felt it obligatory on me to at least throw something at the wall.

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47 Comments
Anonymous
Anonymous
June 7, 2023 4:13 pm

Secession is not the answer. What is the answer is to begin standing up to the media. The media is destroying America. They are traitors and need to be treated as such. We need a new motto. If you lie… you die. When that becomes the mantra, and people step up and do their patriotic duty, then freedom will return.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
June 7, 2023 8:08 pm

Cuck-A-Doodle-Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Cheers!

falconflight
falconflight
  falconflight
June 7, 2023 8:39 pm

Cuck-A-Licsious

TCS
TCS
  falconflight
June 8, 2023 12:34 pm

Cuckaroni with extra cheese

k31
k31
  falconflight
June 7, 2023 11:49 pm

I am just not going to question why we agree more and more, ff.

falconflight
falconflight
  k31
June 8, 2023 12:03 am

ditto

ICE-9
ICE-9
  Anonymous
June 7, 2023 9:47 pm

Yeah, secede and we end up with 2 privately owned central banks owned by the usual suspects. Then they’ll pit us against one another in perpetual war. That’ll show ’em.

k31
k31
  ICE-9
June 7, 2023 11:51 pm

That’s more generally why I believe revolution/civil war is futile at this point. I think sesession will happen in the same way that summer happens, but it is not near primed yet.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 8, 2023 5:58 am

90% of the people in this country are idiots that believe CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WaPo and HuffPo are telling them the truth.
They think anyone actually telling the truth is a right wing lunatic. That will be hard to overcome. Brainwashing and indoctrination of the kids is decades old now, so many are now voting adults.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
June 7, 2023 4:19 pm

I’m all for a secession. The new country should be called the Constitutional States of America. Yes Canada and Mexican states who comply with the constitutional mandates can join.

k31
k31
  AKJOHN
June 7, 2023 11:52 pm

I just hope you assholes don’t make war on my confederacy again.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
June 7, 2023 4:41 pm
rhsjr
rhsjr
June 7, 2023 5:51 pm

Given the magnitude of the problems with WDC, the only logical, possible and peaceful action is Secession. If the Federal Government takes aggressive actions, they should be met will counteractions all the way to an all out war to insure Secession succeeds.

k31
k31
  rhsjr
June 7, 2023 11:56 pm

Do you not remember how many people died and suffered the last time we tried to peacefully secede? These psychopaths are of the same stock that wrote your cursed Constitution.

falconflight
falconflight
  k31
June 8, 2023 12:00 am

Me thinks even worse, since today Lord Nefarious is in control.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  k31
June 8, 2023 3:02 pm

Do you understand that TPTB intend to murder you if you just stay in the pot? Read the poem “The Hangman” again and remember the people of Germany after Hitler took over who just stayed in the pot.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 7, 2023 5:51 pm

The most obvious answer that is not on the list:

Uphold the law

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 7, 2023 10:28 pm

“How does something immoral, when done privately, become moral when it is done collectively? Furthermore, does legality establish morality? Slavery was legal; apartheid is legal; Stalinist, Nazi, and Maoist purges were legal. Clearly, the fact of legality does not justify these crimes. Legality, alone, cannot be the talisman of moral people.”
― Walter E. Williams, All It Takes Is Guts: A Minority View

piearesquared
piearesquared
June 7, 2023 6:00 pm

Secession would certainly solve many of the problems currently afflicting America if a majority of Americans were smart enough to understand that fact, were smart enough to figure out how to accomplish it (hint: Secession of a group of states as was done in 1861 wouldn’t work nowadays due to the fact that most states have large contingents of people on both the left and the right), and if the NWO didn’t have a total lock on the activities of most governments at every level.

Leaving aside the first two problems, after the events of the past three years it should be evident to anyone capable of critical thought that the NWO is in total control of world events now. One of the objectives of their Great Reset (Agenda 2030) is a One World Government, which is the exact opposite of breaking current countries up into smaller countries. They would never allow the United States to split up into two or more separate countries.

Farmer's Daughter
Farmer's Daughter
  piearesquared
June 7, 2023 7:06 pm

I consider the NWO to be in total control of the NWO. I consider a one world government has to celebrate it’s status as a worldwide God; therefore, the NWO can consider secession. They can break apart and revamp as long as they have control of the NWO. And if they have, they are AIMING at choosing how everyone falls into line with Their aim for secession and what those results provide for them.

Country folk are Moar equipped to plan secession.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  piearesquared
June 7, 2023 8:28 pm

Secession would solve nothing. We are not losing our freedoms because of government. We are losing our freedoms because we do not have the courage as people to stand up to evil. Freedom is for brave men, and we are now a nation of cowards.

Eddy O
Eddy O
June 7, 2023 6:34 pm

I saw this coming years ago. I moved from the Un-united States in December 2012 after the Ayatollah Obama was re-anointed in November 2012. I find it quite pleasant here in Ecuador and very affordable. There are other veterans like me here and we even have our own veteran’s club. Good luck to y’all.

BL
BL
  Eddy O
June 7, 2023 7:23 pm

Ecuador is a mess, turning into El Salvaor. I wouldn’t trade places with you Eddy, I’ll pay more and skip the drug wars. Best of luck to you too Eddy.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  BL
June 7, 2023 8:33 pm

Ecuador is a mess?!?!? LOL. Their president just made firearms acquisition legal for people to arm and protect themselves. Ecuador is in much better shape than you think. It has three major cities and like cities everywhere they are crime ridden because of the scamdemic. Even with the high crime the cities come no where near shitcago, St louis or any of the other infested demoncrap run shitholes.

Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
  anon a moos
June 7, 2023 10:34 pm

Venezuela was very much the same for a long time and one of the wealthiest countries and bam, look at em now. Things can change quickly. If you can get firearms and ammo, never ever give them up.

Eddy O
Eddy O
  anon a moos
June 8, 2023 9:40 am

There is not much crime here in Cuenca. Most of the crime is on the coast in Guayaquil and is drug related.

Eddy O
Eddy O
  BL
June 8, 2023 9:38 am

I bow to your vast knowledge. You know more than I and I have lived here 11 years.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
June 7, 2023 7:19 pm

The dissolution of the Federal Government would benefit everyone far more than individual state secession would.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  MrLiberty
June 7, 2023 8:15 pm

When the U$D fails, the government will dissolve and it will be every man for himself.

Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
  TN Patriot
June 7, 2023 10:35 pm

That sounds desirable on the surface. I’ll take that opportunity if it arises.

falconflight
falconflight
June 7, 2023 8:09 pm

The US of A doesn’t need to be saved (It can’t), she-Ze-They needs to be defeated.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  falconflight
June 8, 2023 3:04 pm

FJB’s pronouns are she-it.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
June 7, 2023 8:12 pm

I think the US will “Balkanize” after the collapse of the U$D. Big cities will burn and their “finest residents” will forage into the suburbs where there will be great bloodshed (at least in the red states). The further from the city they go, the more dangerous it becomes for them. Groups of like minded people will form up with other similar groups until there is more of a community. Communities will form together until you have a regional coalition of like minded citizens. Justice will be of the street variety and will be swift.

falconflight
falconflight
  TN Patriot
June 7, 2023 8:21 pm

The USG will never and I mean will never allow for any breakup, at least voluntarily. I can’t envision a single sovereign state claiming sovereignty, well maybe Kali.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  falconflight
June 7, 2023 9:03 pm

When the U$D loses reserve currency status, the government will collapse from its own weight. They will not be able to put enough money on EBT cards for the moochers to buy groceries, much less their Colt 45’s and Kools. Societal breakdown will soon follow with cities resembling a Disney remake of “Escape From NY”. LEO’s will be more concerned with the safety of their own family than the mayor/governor/president and the military will not only be underpaid, they will be unpaid and desert in droves, with their weapons.

Without the military and LEO, the USG has ZERO power.

falconflight
falconflight
  TN Patriot
June 8, 2023 12:01 am

So long as the ones with the guns get paid..

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  falconflight
June 8, 2023 9:52 am

And the money they get can actually purchase something of value.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TN Patriot
June 8, 2023 3:24 pm

Company script, only exchangeable at the company store, for that which the company will allow you to buy, if you behave.

CBDC.

Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
  TN Patriot
June 7, 2023 10:41 pm

The good news is no jail time for criminals. Finally, they get their wish.

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
June 7, 2023 8:13 pm

I read an excellent analysis on secession a few weeks back. The author’s supposition is that in the unlikely case Orange Jesus gets back in, it will be the left that seceeds with California leading the way followed by Oregon and possibly Washington because living under Orange Jesus will be completely unacceptable to them.

Once in motion the Old South could also rise again (praying for it) but states like Florida & Texas won’t kick it off because of the establishment nature of R’s. Once the door is open much of the former Confederacy runs through bringing many Midwest States along too.

Either way, we are long past the time for divorce due to irreconcilable differences.

falconflight
falconflight
  Arizona Bay
June 7, 2023 8:38 pm

The Old South will have to lay siege to Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Atlanta, Charleston, yes Charleston, and the like, cause those Urban Utopias are little different in outlook or voting or governance to any NorthEast or West Coast cities. Come On Man! You know the thing!

piearesquared
piearesquared
  Arizona Bay
June 7, 2023 8:53 pm

I don’t think any states,even California, Oregon and Washington will secede if the Orange Jesus gets back in. As much as they hate Trump, they hate the idea of not being able boss around flyover country even more. Additionally, just like most other people (on both the left and the right), they are handicapped by the “one nation indivisible” propaganda in the Pledge of Allegiance, and by a stunning lack of knowledge of history (due largely to being “educated” in government schools). Additionally, as I said in my previous comment, the NWO wouldn’t allow it, even if they wanted to secede.

But you are certainly correct that we are long past the time for divorce due to irreconcilable differences.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Arizona Bay
June 7, 2023 11:33 pm

Hey, I live in Washington. Lots of enclaves here where the communists in power are held at bay. Farms galore run by farmers, not corporations. Here is an example. The State wants an income tax, badly. It has tried endlessly to get one by the State Supreme Court and has failed over and over. People don’t want it and raise hell every time the issue gets on the news because the communists can’t stop trying. Soon there will be hell to pay for state workers as they get outed for their crimes as the dollar crashes and everyone will be dependent upon non-communists for survival. Seattle will become a ghost town. Note that there are no homeless on the streets in Bellevue, which is just across the lake from Seattle. Eastern Washington is like Eastern Oregon and Northern and Eastern Idaho.

Chud Bentley
Chud Bentley
June 7, 2023 8:49 pm

I’m preparing for a mixture of numbers 1, 5 and 6 at this point.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Chud Bentley
June 7, 2023 9:05 pm

And 6 is the only good option, if you are on the winning side.

Captain Quaalude
Captain Quaalude
June 8, 2023 1:35 am

3 ways it can go. 1 by 1 secession of states, Dissolve the federal gov through a Constitutional Convention, mass Non-compliance And anarchy.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
June 8, 2023 7:52 am

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