TOWER OF BABEL: fact or fiction?

PROLOGUE

Along with The Arky Arky and the Great Flood, the Tower of Babel is one of the best known bible stories.

But it is famous beyond its ACTUAL content … a mere 236 words (in English). Yet, the story has come to mean much more than its actual words. For example, the idea that God is so afraid of tall brick structures that he has to create multiple languages to keep people from becoming too smart for their own good.

Most have at least a vague idea of what the story is about, or at least know the name “Babel”. But, let’s take a look at the entire brief text. I will follow-up with my usual outrageous observations.

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THE BIBLICAL TEXT — GENESIS 11:1-9
“And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men built. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”

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BACKGROUND

The Babel story is a great example why a literal interpretation of many OT stories makes no sense whatsoever. A literal interpretation makes a mockery of science, tortures logic, and detracts from the author’s actual spiritual meaning (if any) he intended to impart.

Genesis is a narrative dealing with “beginnings,” as its title indicates. It records the beginning of the universe, plant life, animal life, and even mankind. Hence, one is tempted to apply a literal interpretation that the primary lesson of the Babel passage is the record of how human beings began to speak different languages. This is incorrect, as you will soon see.

That being said, “Babel” may very well be a story of beginnings. The city “Babel,” is the same exact term used of “Babylon” elsewhere in the Bible. Indeed, the Tower was built in Mesopotamia, not Israel. So, more than just a possible explanation for the confusion of languages, it may also function as the etymology of “Babylon” …. the very same Babylonian empire that would wreak tremendous havoc on Israel in sixth century B.C.E. … and the very same Babylon called a “Whore” in Revelation, representing all that is evil, and ultimately destroyed.

Before I get into specifics, it is worth mentioning the origin of the word “Babel”. Strong’s Concordance says the word means “confusion”. That may be true regarding the meaning, but that’s not its etymology. In Hebrew “el” is a name for God … any God, actually. In Ezekiel — “I am el (God), in the seat of elōhîm (Gods). The Hebrews called God El-shaddai (God almighty), ImmanuEL (God with us), and dozens of other “el-” names. The Miriam Webster dictionary gives the following etymology — “Middle English, from Hebrew Bābhel, from Akkadian bāb-ilu, gate”. So, what is Babel? Literally, the Gate of God. So, is it the city that’s called Babel because that’s where God “came down” … as the text says? Or, was the actual tower the people were constructing the “gate of God” … their attempt to “reach to heaven”, or more likely, their attempt to provide a means for God to come down? The text is not clear. So, we’ll leave as interesting speculation.

THE MYTH OF A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.”

A literal interpretation presents problems right from the get go. That’s because there has NEVER been One Universal Language spoken by all humanity. However, I don’t wish to debate philology. A fine overview of the origin of languages is here; — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language

Rather, I am much more interested in the status of human language AT THE TIME referred to by the text. Scholars diverge wildly regarding the possible date the Tower of Babel could have been built – anywhere from 3500BC – 2500BC. So, let’s take the earliest possible date (3500BC) and briefly examine the archaeological evidence.

I need only one example. Spirit Cave in Thailand is a stratified site showing human occupation from BEFORE 5000 B.C. We do not know what language they were speaking in what is now Thailand …. but we can be darn sure it was not Sumerian, or Hebrew. Also, an archaeological dig in Pakistan revealed trident-shaped writing on fragments of pottery dating even further back at 5,500 years BC. Pretty sure they weren’t speaking Sumerian or Hebrew either. There, I gave you two examples.

The fact of the matter is the writer of Genesis 11 was oblivious to the existence of the Far East, Australia, the Americas, and pretty much the rest of the world beyond a few hundred miles of his locale. . Had he been aware of these lands, the peoples, and their cultures … which existed AT THE SAME TIME as when The Tower was built …. then he would have had a much better understanding regarding the history of language, and he would NEVER have said “.. the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech”.

Furthermore … and quite significantly … the previous chapter in Genesis, Gen: 10, seems to completely contradict the Babel story. Gen 10 is known as the “Table of Nations”. It lists all the nations that derived from Noah’s sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth) after the flood; Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, dozens of other “ites” and even including Egypt and …. Babylon. No one in their right mind would suggest that ancient Egypt and ancient Babylon spoke the same language. We have written texts from both areas to prove otherwise. So,now we have at least two languages. Of much, much greater significance is the fact that the Bible itself states that once dispersed …. these people spoke “after their tongues”! Let’s be clear about this; the Bible states people spoke in unique tongues BEFORE the construction of the Tower.

Either the author of Chapter 11 was being redundant at best (an unlikely repetition in Chapter 11 of what was just reviewed in Chapter 10), or much more likely, he didn’t know that God ALREADY dispersed the nations … each speaking after their own tongues. That’s quite a conundrum for literalists.

GOD GETS ALL PARANOID, ONCE AGAIN

“ And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower … Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down,”

1)- God says, “let US go down”. Who is this “us”?? Some folks say it is a figure of speech; such as when a British Royal Queen refers to herself as “we”. Unfortunately, there was no British royalty back then … and the royalty that did exist simply didn’t talk that way. But most Christians say God was talking to Jesus in his pre-incarnate form .. cuz Jeebus existed before he was born. I don’t know how to debate time-travel fantasies, so I won’t. The more logical explanation is that the ancient Jews, before they developed monotheism, believed in multiple Gods. Even Abraham’s father worshipped multiple Gods, and almost certainly Abraham was raised by his own father to do likewise (until he didn’t). Many years later, perhaps decades, Rachel was caught hiding the “household idols” inside her camel’s saddle. Then after the Jews escaped Egpyt, one of their first acts was to construct and worship a Golden Calf. However Christians want to interpret this. The fact of the matter is that early Judaism adopted very many of the Gods they left behind, they believed in multiple Gods, amd monotheism actually took centuries to fully develop.

2)- Why does an omniscient, omnipotent God need to “come down” to see anything?? And, where exactly is he coming down from? Does he walk, or take a bus? Theologians call this anthropomorphism; “the attribution of human form or other characteristics to anything other than a human being, such as a God.”. These attributions must be made because no one has ever seen this OT God. Moses came closest, and even then, he only saw God’s “backside” … literally, “ass”. Who said there’s no humor in the Bible? “Anthropomorphism” is just a way of saying; “We make our Gods in MAN’S image.” Have you ever noticed that Western Gods behave just like humans? Especially the Greek and Roman Gods with all their fornication and backstabbing and jealousy and murder. And the OT God who laughs, cries, repents, has massive bouts of anger so much so that he has attempted to wipe out the human race, is often driven to jealous rage, and suffers from severe bouts of paranoid insecurity. We “anthropomorphize” deities because the more the Gods become like men, the easier it is for men to believe in the Gods.

3) Regarding paranoia in the Tower of Babel story —- why would an omnipotent God be so damn afraid of humans [supposedly] speaking one language? Why is he so afraid of humans building a structure that is, at best, about 300 feet high? Why didn’t he strike dead the builders of One World Trade Center who just completed a 1,776 foot skyscraper? Why is God afraid of technological progress? Does God REALLY believe that by having one language that “NOTHING” will be “impossible” for mankind? The implication being that puny finite mankind can (will) overthrow an all-powerful eternal God …. unless their language be confounded. Isn’t this idea just beyond silly, and indicative of massive paranoia?

And this isn’t the first time God exhibited his paranoia. He freaked out when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit …. fearing that mankind is “now like us”. (There’s that ‘us’ again.) Really?? Humans are now like God because they ate some fruit? Shortly thereafter God freaked out again … afraid that Adam and Eve might eat from a tree that would give them eternal life, so he had an angel with a flaming sword drive them out of the Garden to prevent that. Another time God was so freaked out over man’s wickedness that he sent a Great Flood to wipe out all but eight people from the face of the earth …. you know, because this all-powerful God was totally powerless to influence humanity. There are dozens more stories in the OT where God freaks out, and when God freaks out, humans die. A strange and paranoid God.

HOW DID GOD PULL THIS OFF?

Almost always in the reading of God’s miracles, they are almost always simply accepted at face value. The reasoning being that God is All-Powerful, and therefore He can do anything He wants. So, when the Bible states that the planet Earth stopped spinning, or the sun stood still, (so that Joshua could kill more Amorites), well, not one in a hundred Christian readers stops to ask themselves “how in the hell is that even possible without the earth exploding into space in a million fragments?” “More miracles” is the only possible response. But that answers absolutely nothing. Such cop-out explanations are akin to the Hindu idea that the elephant holds up the earth. Someone asks, “What holds up the elephant?” Answer: Another elephant. And so on, ad infinitum, ad absurdum.

So, exactly how did God pull this off? Did folks suddenly and immediately in the blink of an eye start speaking, for example, German? Were they suddenly able to pronounce “umlauts” and that crazy “ch” sound? Did they suddenly and immediately understand the nuances of the German language and realize that one can now end a sentence with a verb? Did they suddenly wear Lederhosen? Language is in the brain, of course, so did God have to “rewire” each and every person’s brain, from 5 year olds to 100 year olds? Key question; did they forget their original language … or were they bilingual, in which case, of course, the people would all STILL have a common language! Lol

WAS CONFOUNDING LANGUAGE A GOOD IDEA?

It doesn’t seem that confounding human language was all that brilliant. SAME language / culture unites … MULTICULTURALISM divides. It is significant to note that up to this point in biblical history, man had not fought against his fellow man other than in conflicts between individuals. There had been no mention of wars, no racial strife, no religious bigotry, no patriotic blood baths. Man had no reason to gang up and attack other groups of men. At that time, man was not at war with his fellow man and all men communicated freely in one tongue. It was this free communication which God knew he must put an end to if he planned on keeping men enslaved. Brilliant!

IS GOD BIPOLAR?

I ask this because thousands of years later in the New Testament book of Acts (2:1-11), God has a totally different agenda. This agenda is the antithesis of Babel … ONE language. This is the narrative. Believers were all in one place and of one accord (just like in Babel). The story even uses the word “confounded”, but for a different reason. This time after having received the Holy Spirit, the apostles preach … and men of diverse languages hear the sermon IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES. Back in Babel the plan was to separate people, and now in Acts we’re seeing the exact opposite; a great re-integration. Bad one time. Good the next time. I wish God would make up His mind.

It seems that God’s primary reason for “coming down” was not necessarily the Tower structure itself – that was merely the means to an end — but because the people of Babel wanted to “make a name for ourselves”. But, in the very next chapter it is God himself who makes Abraham’s name great. King David spends a good portion of his life making a name for himself (2 Sam 8:13) without any negative repercussions or divine reprisals. It can be really hard to figure out what God really believes / wants.

WHAT LESSON CAN WE LEARN FROM THE TOWER OF BABEL?

Are we really supposed to believe that the Builders of the tower were motivated by building a structure that could reach heaven? How stupid would that be? They built the thing on “the PLAINS of Shinar”. A FLAT plain. There were MOUNTAINS nearby which would have given them a few thousand feet head start. Lol Are we to believe that they thought they could build a structure higher than a mountain? If they really wanted to reach the heavens, wouldn’t they have built the tower on the nearest high mountain? Yes. So, there must have been a different motivation … one we will never know. However, I can speculate on what the writer of the Babel story intended.

We can all certainly agree that the end result in the Tower story is one of division (one of God’s specialties). Let’s take a very brief look at one other major example in how God divides. OK. So, God chooses one race to his people … creating Judaism in the process. God later sends a Messiah to create a second division of his people …. creating Christianity in the process. God then chooses another guy, Mohammed, to create a third division of his people …. creating Islam in the process. And don’t tell me it wasn’t God who did all this. You should know that for ALL three of these divisions, God used the angel Gabriel as the messenger. Of course, these divisions have resulted in the longest and bloodiest conflicts in human history … which continue to this very day.

So, what are we to make of all this?

The 16th century philosopher, Machiavelli, may be able to help understand what is going on. Machiavelli described how a third party could manipulate two other parties … and maintain control over them both. It works like this;

—– 1) The Ruler creates a division amongst the people.

—– 2) The Ruler does this by creating conditions which accentuate the differences between groups. This causes conflict, and so the groups fight amongst themselves rather than against the ruler.

—– 3) The Ruler hides that HE is the cause of the conflicts, going so far as to feign innocence.

—– 4) The Ruler then offers support to ALL parties involved, thus maintaining their loyalty and faith in him.

—– 5) The Ruler is now viewed as The Beneficial One – Machiavelli uses the term “concerned parent” — no matter how bad and evil The Ruler might be in reality. After all, ONLY The Ruler can help bring everyone back together. There is a steep cost, of course. Many will suffer. Few will benefit. But, no one will ever blame The Ruler … which is just the way he likes it.

Now, am I saying that God is some type of Machiavellian monster? No. But, I am saying that that’s how the writers of Scripture often portray Him. Some may not want to hear this, but I am 100% convinced that the various authors of Scripture had no clue whatsoever that they were writing Scripture. There was no voice from heaven thundering “Hezekiah! Grab a pen. Let’s write some Scripture!”. They had no clue that the words they penned would take hundreds, sometimes thousands, of years to be considered “The Word of God” … and even then, only by a fatally flawed procedure of humans voting. The Ancient Sages had even less of a clue as to how the world works, human psychology and all that, but that didn’t stop them from trying to explain it.

So they wrote stuff, lots of stuff … some of it eventually became God’s Word … based on their observations and very limited knowledge. I imagine some smart (at the time) guy trying to explain to the people how multiple languages came into being, so he fabricates a story that at one time all humanity spoke just one language (a blatant misconception). No one apparently knew better, so people believed it. They believed it for so long, that even when the truth of the matter was made know … people STILL believed it. That, my friends, is the power of propaganda, believing the temporary lie until it becomes permanent truth. So, people have a choice to make. For me, the Tower of Babel story is an interesting piece of ancient literature. Nothing more.

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juan
juan
September 21, 2013 1:24 pm

the bible tells us that god chose the israelites because the rest of humanity was a bunch of assholes. he made this promise to abraham and not the chinks or the redskins or the idolatrous beaners. as noted here before: when 10% of the population believes a thing, the rest of the population will follow. there is wisdom here and machiavelli came after the bible, not before it, he only converted the bible’s teachings like a hacker figures out a way to understand and rewrite the code. no problem here, paul says the things that happened to the jews were a lesson for humanity, it is the original history. we can’t get all conspiracy minded because no nation has a lock on the future. this is the same lesson in garcia’s one hundred years of solitude: the writing is there before humans blindly live out its prophesies.

it could be that the bible is written the way that old time msm pretended there was no world outside the USA. (we could blame that on a country’s war weary insularity),

if the bible is written by jews for jews as flash notes – the law for jews and a law for gentiles. I believe the law was replaced but you have to convert first to qualify for the exemptions of the new agreement, otherwise you are stuck with the old.

it’s possible the Israelites were on speed and took care of their enemies in blitzkrieg fashion. sure, I have read of that story where old timers reported of one super long day and I have read of american indian myths of a universal flood. but considering god’s economy, there is no need to stop the world when simply hitting the fast forward button will do.

the various nations could have spoken a common language then gone their own ways and because there was no msm to provide continuity, their expressions, idioms, references, rap music and dance changed over time. they are still people with a common root. at pentecost the jews speak different languages, the christians speak and everyone understands them.

bb
bb
September 21, 2013 3:44 pm

As your son starts to get better could you be witnessing a miracle?

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
September 21, 2013 3:48 pm

Stuck, I’m astounded by your disbelief of the truth. Why can’t you just say, I don’t believe God’s word, and be done with it.

The bible wasn’t written for those who don’t believe.

You lost me at the first sentence. Of course the bible is not meant to be taken literally everywhere. It is meant to be taken literally where it is meant to be taken literally and figuratively where it is meant to be taken figuratively. You obviously have never heard of the idiom of permission, either.

If you don’t know the difference, you have no business posting anything regarding the truth of god’s word. You and Carl Sagan, too fucking smart for you’re good.

The irony of it is, the tower of babel is a story about exactly what you’ve done, synthesize a theology based upon man’s interpretation and understanding. Exactly what we’re cautioned against, but since you don’t believe God’s word, neither are you bound by it. How fucking convenient.

“Oh, that I had one to hear me!
(Here is my signature! Let the Almighty answer me!)
Oh, that I had the indictment written by my adversary!” (Job 31:35, ESV)

You do yourself and those around you a disservice. May God save your soul.

juan
juan
September 21, 2013 3:53 pm

Nonanonymous says:

“The bible wasn’t written for those who don’t believe.

“Oh, that I had one to hear me!
(Here is my signature! Let the Almighty answer me!)
Oh, that I had the indictment written by my adversary!” (Job 31:35, ESV)

it is written for non-believers, paul’s ministry was taking the message to non-believers.

Job got reamed a new one for those words and a few others, but he still got his wish, mostly because even before you ask, god has already answered.

juan
juan
September 21, 2013 4:03 pm

bb says:

“As your son starts to get better could you be witnessing a miracle?”

have you not been paying attention? stuck is a grown man, he knows better than to rush things. we bring about our own miracles by acting with faith.

the pastor at the phoenix church said if you are at the stoplight waiting for a green light, god wont mind if you cross on red, he too is waiting for you to take a leap of faith (as long as you are not doing it to test god, of course).

juan
juan
September 21, 2013 5:52 pm

I would sooner lean on Stucky for support than try to lean on Non because religious folk like him don’t even want to have contact with sinners like me.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
September 21, 2013 6:02 pm

I’ll cross post this one on the Diner Stucky. There is already a thread ongoing about the article.

Going back to 2008 on Peak Oil, I wrote an article “Collapse of an Economic Tower of Babel” making the case that the Tower of Babel was actually a Counting House and Warehouse; the different languages that are mentioned are actually different currencies; and what is being described is the collapse of their economic system which led to a One-to-the Many breakup of that Civilization.

This makes a lot more sense on a historical basis than a literal interpretation of the story.

RE

flash
flash
September 21, 2013 7:18 pm

Reverse Engineer says:

I’ll cross post this one on the Diner Stucky. There is already a thread ongoing about the article.

Now you’ve done it Stuck. You’ve inadvertently opened the RE vortex… soon, we”ll all sucked into into an alternate Universe where the only way to survive is fake being retarded.

…just kidding RE , you da’ man.

monsta666
monsta666
September 21, 2013 8:12 pm

Here is the forum link to your article on the Diner:

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=1837.msg32378;topicseen#msg32378

I am pretty sure RE will post this article on the front page in the near future. Feel free to comment in that thread; Ashvin has already dropped in with his opening silos. Good article btw, and props for taking the time to write it.

I am thinking of doing a podcast with Ashvin at some point in the future and wondered if you would be interested in taking part in a spirited debate about religion?

TeresaE
TeresaE
September 21, 2013 8:21 pm

Stuck, so glad there is nothing to be done from the Michigan Bermuda Hell and that your son is with you!

Stuck you HAVE to talk to me about magnesium, ask admin for my email, or drop a note to gem fem 67 @ yahoo – I’ll shoot you the address to my real account.

I am so thrilled for this chance you have Stuck. I cannot imagine having my children pried away from me, the pain it held over you had to be excruciating.

((((hugs))))

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
September 21, 2013 9:45 pm

“Cool. I’ll bet Ashvin loves it.’-Stucky

Ashvin already Napalmed it, as Monsta mentioned. I told him he should drop in over here with his unparalleled Biblical Expertiese and Enlighten the TBPers on the True Meaning of the Bible. 🙂 That would be ENTERTAINING! LOL.

RE

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
September 21, 2013 10:15 pm

Tower of Babel: Fact or Fiction by Stucky now UP also on the Diner Blog!

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/09/21/tower-of-babel-fact-or-fiction/

RE

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
September 22, 2013 12:17 am

I dug up my “Collapse of an Economic Tower of Babel” article on Peak Oil, dated October 15, 2008. It is now part of a merged thread in Economics on the Peak Oil Message Board. There are numerous posts following this thread on the Peak Oil board.

Those of you who know your Collapse History here will note that this was exactly the time Hank the Skank Paulson was threatening total economic collapse if he did not get Unlimited Bailout Funds for the TBTF Banks.

Below the text from the original article:

“Collapse of an Economic Tower of Babel

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 02:17:29
Reviewing as I have been Ancient History for parallels with what we see going on today, one Ancient Civilization collapse I always had trouble understanding and believing now is coming more clear to me as a parable. That would be the Fall Of Babylon and the destruction of the Tower of Babel.

From Wikepedia:

According to the biblical account, Babel was a city that united humanity, all speaking a single language and migrating from the east; it was the home city of the great king Nimrod, and the first city to be built after the Great Flood. The people decided their city should have a tower so immense that it would have “its top in the heavens.” However, the Tower of Babel was not built for the worship and praise of God, but was dedicated to the glory of man, with a motive of making a ‘name’ for the builders “Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves; otherwise we shall be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.'” – Genesis 11:4. God seeing what the people were doing, gave each person a different language to confuse them and scattered the people throughout the earth.

Now first off in my old analysis, just how could a Tower falling down instantly render people unable to communicate with each other? This seems impossible if you take it at face value as describing verbal language, but what if you take it to mean a Reserve Currency to which all things are linked in their value?

What happens when the Dollar loses its meaning entirely? The ALL the traders can’t talk to each other anymore, it about instantly renders it impossible to communicate in the world of trade.

The first obvious parallel here would be the Crashing Down of the World Trade Center in NYC, a “tower so immense it would have its top in the Heavens”. However, the more important tower that is crashing down is the intricately connected system of world markets. Its rapidly becoming apparent that traders cannot talk to each other in a common language, and so international trade is grinding to a halt. Now each country has “a different language to confuse them and scattered the people throughout the earth.” We are of course all scatterred, and each individual locale now has to come up with its own monetary language to begin trading internally again. The Confusion here is clearly apparent as well.

Some very interesting tidbits in this story that have some relevance to today’s Tower of Babel collapse:

The building of the Tower was meant to bid defiance not only to God, but also to Abraham, who exhorted the builders to reverence. The passage mentions that the builders spoke sharp words against God, not cited in the Bible, saying that once every 1,656 years, heaven tottered so that the water poured down upon the earth, therefore they would support it by columns that there might not be another deluge

If you Google up the collapse of the Roman Empire, it actually occured in 352 AD (2008-1656=352) when the Empire fractured between Constantinius II and Magnentius.

http://www.roman-empire.net/collapse/magnentius.html

Coincidence? Perhaps. However, that is one pretty big coincidence if you ask me. Interesting how the Geopolitics seem to replay themselves on the interval of every 1656 years.

Reverse Engineer”

Much more in this thread, available still to read at:

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-economic-collapse-thread-merged-t2406-390.html

RE

flash
flash
September 22, 2013 9:24 am

The building of the tower of Babel was an early attempt by man to place himself on equal footing with God and God simply said not so fast booger eaters and threw a few obstacle in their path, but man is not a learning animal and went on to test God again and again.
I think we all know how this will end…even those in denial.

“I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.”

Albert Einstein

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Thunderbird
Thunderbird
September 22, 2013 11:30 am

Interesting. Isn’t Ben-Hadad the son of Hadad the major Syrian deity that was also the name of several Syrian kings? These were very intellectual kings. And is it not foretold that Damascus will be be completely destroyed in modern times? Damascus; meaning sack of blood. Think about what blood means.

The Bible is definitely a book of enigmas; spiritual in concept, but explaining these enigmas in material form using the objects of material life.

Babal; as the name implies, means confusion. And being built with the City of Babylon; a city with commercial customs that our economic system of today has copied. When I think of the confusion existing in our world today, mental confusion (our arbitrary Administrative laws with judges construing the intent of laws ), sense confusion (Heterosexuality vs homosexuality), economic confusion (our fiat money system), and political confusion( the irrational acts by our political persons), I think of the Tower of Babel. When I think of our vast system of commerce I think of Babylon. So today we have a mixture of all these confusions so the narrative of the tower of Babel becomes very relevant. Even an Atheist has to take notice.

Stucky: You sure opened up an interesting subject. Lots of interesting comments.

It seems that the narrative of the Tower of Babel implies that materialism is not the right means to an end. It leads to confusion. Our direction of advancement comes from observing ourselves from within where all truth exists. Observing sense impressions of the material world through our eyes leads to false perceptions and glutenous stimulation of body sensations without the guidance of a higher mind operating within us. In other words we need spiritual guidance in our life; that the Bible implies, with all sorts of commonsense narratives, so this book with its history lessons builds stability in a person and society, and offers guidance perpendicular to time in increasing being. Without it being descends into a lower form.

Gayle
Gayle
September 22, 2013 12:15 pm

What do you guys want to do with this, from the book of Revelation?

18:1-5 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power, and the earth was made bright with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven saying Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not her plagues; for her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

18:7-12 How much she has glorified herself, and lived luxuriously, so much torment and sorrow give her; for she has said in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine, and she shall be utterly burned with fire; for strong is the Lord God who judges her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour is your judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buys their merchandise any more: the merchandise of gold, and silver, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thymine wood, and all kinds of vessels of ivory, and all kinds of vessels of most precious wood, and of bronze, and iron, and marble…

18:15-19. The merchants of these things, who were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, and saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and bedecked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches are come to nothing. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, and cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like into this great city? And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, in which were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! For in one hour is she made desolate.

juan
juan
September 22, 2013 2:03 pm

Gayle says:

“What do you guys want to do with this, from the book of Revelation?”

2 thumbs down for a simple question or 2 thumbs down for the passage? It does not make sense because several folks here almost get on their knees and pray for this day to come and yet when others read it in the passage above, they freak. I called them that believe in the existence of satan while doubting the existence of god, Satanists, perhaps I should have said Hogwarts as that is less offensive. Or maybe Babelians…they were sons of cain who started cities in the first place.

monsta666
monsta666
September 22, 2013 6:22 pm

@ Stucky: We sent you a new password to your Stucky1 account on the Doomstead Diner. You were looking at the wrong email account. You should see the password reset on the [email protected] email so check it out. I am sure you will like the new password.

RE & monsta666

Oddsball
Oddsball
February 9, 2014 6:42 pm

Dude, Velikosky says hydrocarbons from Venus became the carbohydrates the Israelites fed on in the desert. Never mind the indigenous peopl the had food and still do!

SAR
SAR
April 22, 2014 1:54 am

I stumbled on this blog doing online research on Babel. Clearly (especially to those believers graced with the HS) this writer knows nothing of what he writes and uses sarcasms and mockery toward God. He is biased against the validity of the story and finds an easy audience to support his worldview. Many “facts” are wrong, historically and biblically. But I’m not refuting them in this post. Instead I wanted to say that it grieves me that so many mock the very God who gave them life. Don’t you see that it was the rebellion of Nimrod and his people against God that forced God to come down and split them up before they created another flood-like earth-cleansing? Isn’t this blog exhibiting the same form of godlessness? Our present world is provoking God to put a stop the rampant rebellion and His appearance is dreadfully near! If you know anything about biblical prophecy then you know that the greatest purging of sinners since the great flood is about to occur. Believe the bible, God’s infallible word, that says “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…”, 2 Tim. 3 (KJV). That’s the full and exact definition of times we are in this day. Those who love unrighteousness will not follow God but Satan and his representatives: “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thess. 2:11-12 (KJV). Repent and seek God. God loves all and He forgives those who trust in His son Jesus to save them. Seekers: read John’s gospel for the answer to escaping judgment!!!

El Coyote
El Coyote
April 22, 2014 10:32 am

Your Bible excavations and explorations are marvelously impressive as they are ingenious, Herr Schtuckenhaus. I look forward to your exploratory spelunking in the caverns of Sheol.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 26, 2016 7:22 am

Hey, these sports website guys seem like they have really enjoyed TBP.

I love the sentence structure, almost AI.

Tobi Marvellous
Tobi Marvellous
February 14, 2017 6:34 pm

The God I worship does not freak out. my God commands, my God is jealous, my God does the impossible I.e separated the sea for the isrealites and separated mississipi from the golf. my God blesses and my God is the reason I’m alive today.
mr. writer the first mistake you made was addressing God like youre taking the history of hitler or any other man.
The bible says and I quote “My ways are not thy ways and my understanding are not yours”
“I am spirit and those who worship me must worship me in truth and in spirit”
I put it to you mr. writer you can not write about God if you’re not in spirit and even if u were no one has ever seen God.
my God is alive and He is doing wonders in my life. Q.E.D
may God have mercy