How many people have died because of what happened on this day fourteen years ago? In addition to the 3,000 Americans on that day, how many have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Gaza, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, and Ukraine as a direct result of what happened that day? Those brilliant blue skies have darkened dramatically over the last fourteen years as this Fourth Turning Winter deepens by the day.
Where were you on that day and how did you feel when viewing the tragedy?
Fascinating stories …….. until that psychotic sociopath fukstick Norman showed up. Ban button!!! Just sayin ….
I was in Grand Rapids at the time. Worked for an software company selling ERP software. We always had the TV on, tuned to some business channel, and I was working on a proposal.
My boss, the owner of the company, calls all of us to the TV room. We watched, as everyone else here, in complete horror.
But, here’s the thing; boss-man says “This changes everything here.” And sure enough, it did. You might find this hard to believe, but orders started being canceled almost immediately. Really. Folks didn’t know if there would be WWIII, or what. So, everyone basically took a “wait and see” stance. Within two years, the company folded. Yes, there were other reasons, but the biggest one was 9-11.
I was such a motherfucking neocon back then.
When Bush said ‘you’re either for us or against us”, I cheered. When the PATRIOT Act was announced, I was delighted. When we went to war, I got a month long boner. I was hoping we’d turn the entire middle east into a sea of glass. Except Israel … I loved da Joos.
Very much has changed since then.
IS playing with a simulator is not the same thing as flying a plane. You did not have to deal with the centripetal force.
I was sitting on my couch, cold calling businesses and creating a package that I was going to try to sell to job seekers. Even though 95% of the country had no idea, by 9/11/01 there were thousands of applicants for every real job being posted.
I had my tv on, but muted and all of a sudden Matt Lauer was looking pale as my potential client said, “something just happened in New York, gotta go” and hung up. I had just turned up the volume as I saw the second plane heading towards the towers directly as it was projected right behind Matt.
My first thought, well, there goes my business, my second thought, thank God my dead died a couple months ago and didn’t have to experience this and my third thought was to call my husband.
Whom came home late, drunk, having spent the afternoon watching the news and drinking with his secretary, ‘er co-workers.
He walks in the door and was almost babbling about “the state of the world,” and “how I never thought the world was this dangerous,” and how he “can’t handle raising kids in a world like this.”
Within 6 weeks he had left me for his secretary. 2001 was one helluva tough year for me. The shit started in February and didn’t let up until well into 2002.
This was just the part of it I got to share with others, all the rest were my own personal horrors.
Or the G forces necessary to pull the plane out of the decent so that it leveled out a few feet from the ground and flew straight into the Pentagon as specified in the “official” story.
That is *descent*. Keys on my keyboard are sticking…
i was asleep , wife woke me when the first plane hit , think I stumbled into the living room just before the 2nd hit . First thought in my head was we are at war now . Altho I was indeed mistaken as to who the govt went to war against . This was instrumental to waking up to what is really going on in the world , or at least as much as I can grasp .
I was about to get into my car and head to lower Manhattan for a recording session four blocks north of the towers when the phone rang. It was the recording engineer. “Don’t come down here, John.” “What’s wrong,” I asked. “Turn on the TV,” he said. Not long after, I gassed up our cars, went to the school and told the office I was taking my kids home. They hesitated, but I made it clear this was not a subject for debate. I knew there was a vulnerable nuke plant 20 miles down wind and I wanted to be ready to take an obscure route up country if necessary. Later that day, a friend stopped in on her way to the city. The roads were blocked so she stayed with us. We watched the towers fall, over and over. Her cousin worked high up in the North Tower. Whatever was left of him mingled anonymously with the exploding plumes of dust as did the remains of a good friend’s brother, a bass player I had once played with who worked at Windows on the World. Several years earlier I’d taken my son up there and marveled at the shining blue sea not that far off and beyond a vast curving horizon. I didn’t feel safe.
Starting the following Monday, my wife and I resumed the recording project. We’d park north of Canal Street and walk south to the studio. Driving was not allowed. Where once the towers had stood, great columns of twinkling lights in the night, now an ominous cloud, like some great fog bank rose up in the darkness and rolled away out over the water. The lower parts of the city were invisible behind this foul curtain. Though many real heroes, the first responders, would eventually, over painful years succumb to that poisoned smoke, the prevailing winds took most of it away. Dumb luck.I don’t think the perpetrators ever realized they might have smoked out Wall Street.
New Yorkers were great, tough, considerate, helpful to each other. We didn’t need any police to keep order or prevent looting. Pictures of the lost were plastered on walls and windows. Even on the street, voices were lowered. Days wore on and still the smoke rose. Molten steel and buried fires still smoldered in the rubble. We kept working down there for most of the month. It took a while to grasp what it all meant, to recognize the clues that were visible for all to see: the melted steel that could have only been caused by explosives, the impossibly complete destruction of three enormous buildings, absurdly attributed to two crashing airplanes and some relatively minor fires. Over time I came to realize that we had witnessed not just the collapse of skyscrapers but the fall of a nation; Like the buildings themselves brought down so perfectly into their own footprints, it was a collapse from within. Maybe we can build something better back from the rubble that lies around us, the moral chaos of post 9/11 politics, the willful ignorance that sustains the empire. I suppose it will come down to a matter of courage. Maybe it always does, but those who live in fear seldom prosper. The founders of this nation cast fear aside and beat the British Empire. We too have an empire to fight.
Wow, it seems just about everybody tuned in the moment right before the second plane crashed. So many of us were watching the exact event live.
I was in the tallest building between NY and Chicago when a client came in and told me someone had bombed the World Trade Center. I thought, WTF? It didn’t do that much the first time. Then another client came in and told me a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I thought, WTF! It wasn’t tall enough for them to see it? Then a third came in and told me a plane had hit the other tower. I looked up at the 58 or so floors above me and felt down into my bone marrow I was in mortal danger. I KNEW I was. At that point my boss came around and told me we were evacuating.
I tore across public square to the train-it wasn’t running. I hopped a bus that was coming my way-it wouldn’t get me home but close enough to walk. I knew I had to get out of downtown, as quickly as possible. I looked back and thought, I might not have a job tomorrow. I may never see this place again. I stopped at the store and got some canned goods. I asked to use their phone and called my Mom and let her know I was near home and okay. I never watched it on tv, listening on the radio was bad enough. It was only later I found out the President was supposed to be in town that day, and one of the planes had flown THREE TIMES around us before going off and crashing.
Here’s a challenge to all you 9/11 Truth deniers. Follow this link, read the contents, and then we can have an honest debate. Until you do, you don’t know shit about 9/11 and aren’t qualified to comment. Do you hear me Stucky?
This is the mother-lode, make sure to bookmark, next time we have another shit-fest:
I notice they never show the original network coverage from that day. Oh they show the planes hitting and the towers falling but what they don’t show is the telephoto lens shots of the people in the windows of the North Tower.
I had the day off having worked that weekend and was drinking coffee with the TV news droning on in the background when they announced a plane had hit the WTC. The initial reports were confused. Much talk of a general aviation plane but the smoke pouring from the building spoke of something much more serious. When the telephoto lens finally zeroed in on the disaster you saw people standing in the windows, some with their shirts and blouses off. That is why they don’t show that footage anymore. I remember seeing a tall shirtless man with a light brown beard standing behind a women in her bra at a window. I wondered why they were undressed for a second but the angry fires on other floors made me try and put the thought out of my mind. I was still envisioning a Steve McQueen/Irwin Allen disaster movie ending with the FDNY saving the day. Only the evil people would die. I thought sprinkler systems would keep some areas safe enough until the Fire Department got up to the top. Then the second plane hit.
I knew then that at least the South Tower was finished as the jet had passed right through the building and ripped away far too much of its structure and there were far too many floors above for it to survive. I still had hope for the North Tower though but then the sight of people jumping made it clear those above the impact zone were doomed as well.
unit? has spoken. I call BS.
“Here’s a challenge to all you 9/11 Truth deniers. Follow this link, read the contents, and then we can have an honest debate. Until you do, you don’t know shit about 9/11 and aren’t qualified to comment. Do you hear me Stucky?”
—-Westcoaster
I hear you, but I’m not Stucky. Here’s a reverse challenge, Leftcoaster.
You’re a Truther and deny the obvious about 9/11, including the “government version.” I accept WTF I saw and who was behind the attack, ie. al Qaeda.
You, on the other hand, are a batshit crazy Warmer who ACCEPTS everything that the government tells you WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE if “we” don’t get a handle on some fucking false bogeyman, carbon dioxide, a gas necessary for life on this planet.
Something happened, and you argue “It didn’t happen that way.” Something hasn’t happened, and you argue “Oh, yes, it will.” I’m off for another vacation from my vacation, which will be a welcome break from reading idiotic comments from people like you, Olga, and the rest of members of the Religion of Truth.
Araven, this was no toy simulator. It was, I believe, designed to help real pilots maintain and improve their flying skills which is what my friend was using it for.
You said, in part:
“Or the G forces necessary to pull the plane out of the decent so that it leveled out a few feet from the ground…”
Perhaps you missed the part of my comment where I said “Da Earf had a nasty habit of jumping up in front of me while trying to slip a plane into a building near ground level.” Pulling out of a dive and back up or even leveling off was within the parameters of this program. So………I believe the simulator was a fair representation of actual flight characteristics and the owner of the program agreed. Also, I do not believe the object that struck the Pentagram had “leveled off” before impact. If it had leveled off at ground level it would have been mowing down a hell of a lot more that light posts as it was inbound. That plane was losing altitude every inch of the way until impact. I think the prick flying the thing got lucky and timed it right. He could have just as easily came up short or gone long. Perhaps the real goal was to hit the center courtyard and he came up short? According to witnesses he was plowing Da Earf with one wing and one engine before final impact. I assume he practiced quite a bit as I did with my friends program. I eventually was able to fly into what would have been open hangar doors, fly through the hangar and out the back wall. End result was a total fail just like the prick who hit the Pentagram.
Like I said, when the end goal is a crash as opposed to recoverable flight, anything becomes possible. Perhaps a pilot intent on flying another day could not fly that plane, that low and at that speed but a crazy bastard intending to die has fewer limitations.
A ballistic missile would have left a distinct launch plume and trail that would have been spotted by millions in that densely populated part of the country.
I was in high school. We watched TV in class all morning. I was already reeling from learning in “Government” class that the electoral college elects the president, not the popular vote. This simple fact destroyed any childish patriotic feelings I may have had.
Then seeing the airplanes hit the towers, the collapse, the story and the media response (even huger than OKC bombings & OJ Simpson!) a vague feeling that nothing would ever be the same. Like Donnie Darko in an alternate reality.
I live in California and was still getting ready for work when my wife (now ex) called me from the bed room. She had the TV on and the first tower had just been hit. I thought it strange given the clear blue sky that a pilot would not see the building? Could it be intentional? Then I saw the second plane which quickly hit the other tower and it was clear the first was no accident. And then for a time there was all the confusion of not knowing how many planes had been hijacked and the pentagon being hit, the big question then was how big is this? how far does this go?
I remember saying out loud but I wasn’t speaking to my wife, “this changes everything”.
I didn’t go right to work I continued to watch the coverage and then of course I saw the buildings collapse.
An interesting side note. The company I was working for at the time had planned to lay-off quite a large number of people that day, Sept 11. They canceled the lay-off thinking that might be way too much trauma for some people to handle. The lay-off happened one month later.
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I’m talking about physical forces on YOU, not the plane, the physical forces on you can’t be replicated by a simulator unless it’s one of those ones that you climb into and it spins to simulate G forces.
Interesting that you don’t believe that the plane leveled off a few feet from the ground since I got that info from the government’s explanation of what happened. I guess you’re a truther after all.
Well I guess when you’re plowing up Earth with parts of your plane before impacting with a building, you could call that leveling off. I call it crashing.
Flight 77 was at 2000 ft altitude four miles from impact at the end of a long right, descending turn. That’s 500 feet per mile. Granted, it’s happening quickly as the plane was increasing speed the entire time during the final three minutes or so. I sincerely doubt that the physical forces on the scumbag in control were that severe with that flight profile. That was certainly a very gentle flight profile compared to say a jet pilot who is pulling out of a loop maneuver. I’ve been in a real airplane that looped the loop and the forces were not severe at all leveling out at the bottom of the loop.
Wrong answer! Earth was NOT being plowed up, that’s the point. The official pictures that they represent as the plane hitting the Pentagon show it completely level as it hit and about 10 feet off the ground.
G forces were anywhere from an average of 1.17 to 4Gs in the last 4 seconds of the flight depending on who you believe. Centripital forces happening at the same time were significant since the “plane” did a tight 270 degree turn to hit that particular spot on the Pentagon. Add that to the fact that the terrorist “piloting” the plane only had a few lessons piloting a small twin engine plane I’d say that the physical forces would be a significant detriment to him being able to make precise maneuvers and do anything other than plow the plane into the ground somewhere other than into the side of the Pentagon. But somehow he managed to complete a highly complex maneuver that pilots with 30 years experience with large jets claim that they couldn’t manage.
Araven, here’s a handy little truth exercise you can do for yourself in only minutes. I just did it myself.
Use Google Earth to bring up the Pentagon. You want an actual aerial view not the street map view.
According to da goobermint reports, flight 77 flew over the Navy Annex building. This building is gone now but it’s location is marked as FOXCROFT HEIGHTS (currently an empty dirt lot) on the map and is directly west of the Pentagon on the south edge of Arlington Cemetery. The center of this lot is roughly 2200ft from the point of impact on the Pentagon. The altitude of the center of Foxcroft Heights is 152ft. The altitude of the lawn where flight 77 hit the Pentagon is roughly 36ft.
The Navy Annex building was four stories high and probably close to 60ft tall. Flight 77 obviously cleared the Annex putting it over 200ft in altitude and it still had to cross a couple of structures and a section of elevated roadway before hitting that lawn and the building. So, at which point along that 2200ft flight path from roughly 212ft altitude down to 36ft altitude did it “level off”?
According to the NTSB flight profile report the turn was 330 degrees, five miles out. At the end of the turn the distance to impact was about 4 miles.The final few miles were a straight on, descending path to impact.
“So, at which point along that 2200ft flight path from roughly 212ft altitude down to 36ft altitude did it “level off”?”
That’s precisely the point of the truthers, the “official” story that the plane was level on impact doesn’t work. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
To be fair, commercial pilots are required to never exceed certain bank angles, glide slopes, turn radii and other parameters except in dire emergencies. They train to fly by the book even in emergency scenarios. Most of these pilots have never even had the opportunity let alone the experience of flying outside of these parameters so is it really surprising that many, if not most of them say they could not do it?
Check the history of an Air Force B-52 pilot named Arthur “Bud” Holland. This crazy fuck spent a career doing things (against regs) with a B-52 Stratofortress bomber that many believed could never be done in that plane. His stated personal goal was to loop a B-52! He stressed one B-52 so severely it cracked the wing spars. On his very last flight he exceeded nearly every operational limit of that plane before crashing and killing all four on-board.
If you ever want to see some astounding maneuvers done by a commercial jet, get yourself to Moses Lake, WA when test pilots are putting a new or modified passenger jet through it’s paces. More than once I’ve seen a plane I was sure was about to crash but it was just Boeing test pilots doing their thing.
If you come across a test pilot report indicating that flight 77 could not do what it did, please let me know and I’ll be happy to read it.
@SSS: What’s “obvious” to you isn’t “obvious” to me, since I’ve researched what happened on 9/11 quite extensively while you and the other “anti-truther/government believers” were hooked like a fish by the 9/11 Commission report.
I’ll take on whatever challenge you want, but first I must insist that you follow through on my challenge. Here’s that link again for your convenience. All I ask is to take the time to read the piece. I think you’ll come to a different opinion.
Here’s that link again for your convenience:
I was in AZ on business and could not get a flight out.
happy terror day, herd.