MARIJUANA TRUTH

Almost two years ago SSS made a prediction………..

Taken from:

COLORADO AND MARIJUANA – THE BUBBLE WILL BURST

Posted on 11th January 2014 by SSS

“Legal marijuana sales in Colorado, undoubtedly spurred by the initial high demand, is already selling for 2-3 times the price you would pay on the black market. Just like New York and NYC, which enjoyed an initial explosion in cigarette tax revenues when they enacted Draconian taxes, this will not last. The Mexicans who control the marijuana black markets in Colorado will see to it. “In 2012 the Mexican Competitiveness Institute issued a report saying that Mexico’s cartels would lose as much as $1.425 billion if Colorado legalized marijuana.” That’s not pocket change, and the people you’re trying to take that money from carry guns. Guns with high capacity magazines, which are against the law in Colorado. Heh. Don’t you just love the irony?”

“I have said repeatedly in the past that these violent organizations will not go quietly into that good night. Over time, I will be proven right. And it will be sooner rather than later because the stakes are so much higher. Avoid the rush and express your appreciation for this keen market analysis with your effusive praise as soon as possible.”

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PRICES
Well, well, well! I wasn’t going to address the price aspect of weed because my own personal experience with weed prices is a bit dated. I intended to address the Big Bad Mexican Drug Cartel influence on legal weed that SSS claimed would come to pass. I’ll get to that in a moment but since it’s so easy to destroy his “price of weed” nonsense I’ll do that first.

Unfortunately for the last 11 years I’ve had to pee for employment rather than enjoyment so I have no current personal experience with buying weed. However, eleven years ago when I was smoking weed an ounce of high grade “knock your dick into the dirt” black market weed cost roughly $300 per ounce. Sometimes they asked for more and as I walked away they would agree to $300 instead of $320 or $340. I simply refused to pay more than $300. A lesser grade of weed was usually $200-$250/ounce and the shitty Mexican Brown was about $100/ounce.

TODAY, according to priceofweed.com I can buy an ounce of LEGAL, high grade “knock your dick into the dirt” weed for……drumroll please………$232! That’s right sports fans, ELEVEN years later, despite TAXES and associated LICENSING FEES and the usual costs of doing business at the retail level I can LEGALLY buy high grade weed for approximately $70 LESS!! Weed must be the miracle product to defy ELEVEN YEARS of inflation, increased govt imposed fees for production and taxes on the sale of the stuff! The lesser grade of weed here can now be had LEGALLY for $188/ounce.

Prices of weed in CO, CA, and AZ compare very favorably with prices in WA using current prices from priceofweed.com. Interestingly, prices in TX where I assume the Mexican Cartels still exert a big influence on weed prices, an ounce of high grade and lesser grade weed are $326 & $235 respectively.

Even I expected weed prices to go up with legalization but that has not happened at the retail level and black market prices have come down. It would seem to me that the market could easily tolerate 30% higher prices based on what people were paying for illegal weed eleven years ago. It seems that allowing producers to scale up their small closet operations caused the prices to drop.

SSS-0, Legal Weed-1

MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL INFLUENCE SINCE LEGALIZATION
SSS falsely claimed that “these violent organizations will not go quietly into that good night.”

cough, cough BULLSHIT, cough cough

From the article here: http://www.attn.com/stories/2221/legalized-marijuana-good-states-bad-cartels

“But the benefits of legalized cannabis in Oregon, like in other states, will likely extend beyond state borders. In Mexico, where marijuana has enjoyed something of a cash-crop status over the years, violent drug cartels are beginning to see their grip loosen on what was once a tightly cornered market as the reach of U.S.-grown pot expands in legal states. And while exports of other illegal drugs have increased in the vacuum of marijuana’s shrinking money-making viability, relaxed marijuana laws in the U.S. are crippling a once robust cash flow for cartels.”

From a different article here: http://time.com/3801889/us-legalization-marijuana-trade/

“….the amount of one drug — marijuana — seems to have finally fallen. U.S. Border Patrol has been seizing steadily smaller quantities of the drug, from 2.5 million pounds in 2011 to 1.9 million pounds in 2014. Mexico’s army has noted an even steeper decline, confiscating 664 tons of cannabis in 2014, a drop of 32% compared to year before.”

And

“This fall appears to have little to do with law enforcement, however, and all to do with the wave of U.S. marijuana legalization. The votes by Colorado and Washington State to legalize marijuana in 2012, followed by Alaska, Oregon and D.C. last year have created a budding industry.”

From another article here: http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/legalization-marijuana-u-s-states-appears-impact-mexican-cartels/

“At the same time that marijuana seizures have declined, violence has also decreased in Mexico—from almost 23,000 murders in 2011 to 15,649 last year. Experts are debating how much of the decline is due to marijuana legalization in the United States. They note the level of violence in Mexico is still high.”

I could keep posting similar sources but I think you get the point. SSS has so far been wrong. I don’t know how SSS ever figured that the cartels would influence legalization. Did he really think the states would implement laws, regulations and an entire bureaucratic system to get their piece of the pie just to turn around and allow criminals to run roughshod over it? To be perfectly fair and honest, unlike SSS, he did say with respect to Mexican Cartel influence that “Over time, I will be proven right.” but he never specified a time period. Touché SSS you may still win but will you be alive to see it?

Here is why the cartels will not control weed in WA. This state requires every single plant to be tagged with a unique identifier and this identifier follows each plant right up to the point of packaging, sale or destruction. It’s even on the final packaging the customer receives. Grow operations are subject to constant inspection to ensure compliance. As far as I know only WA grown weed can be sold in WA. Because of the draconian compliance regulations every gram and every dollar is tracked. The state is ensuring that they get every penny owed to them.

The black market still exists and I have no doubt that the cartels are involved with it but to a VERY limited degree. I have the following on good authority based on personal experience and that of dealers I’ve used in the past. In WA our climate is not conducive to large scale outdoor grow operations. Yes there are some areas but a late or early frost can ruin a crop in a hurry. Consequently, most weed available here has been grown indoors for decades. That shitty Mexican Brown weed was shipped in but it was always a white person selling it and very few wanted it. It was the indoor grow operations of Amsterdam that inspired the stoners in British Columbia (BC) to try their hand at homegrown. It was the proliferation of high quality, indoor grown BC bud in the 80’s/90’s that enticed every stoner in WA to try their hand at homegrown. Most failed or produced very low quality weed. Quite a few succeeded and began trading techniques and honing their craft just like home brewers do.

The result of this on the local market was to create a fairly large number of very high quality micro grow operations that would literally fit in an small closet in hundreds of homes across the state. The growers themselves came from every segment of society…..professionals to scumbags and everyone in between.

I used to buy whole ounces for personal use because it kept well and cost far less than buying “dime bags” and minimized my chances of getting caught. (An ounce could last me a year.) My main source used two Photoron machines purchased from High Times Magazine. At any given time she had four immature plants and four mature plants growing. Nearly everyone I knew had exactly these kinds of connections. No one I knew bought weed on the street. You were more likely to be invited to dinner in their home or to lunch at a restaurant or to a bar where the deal would go down discreetly. High quality Mexican produced weed grown outdoors in CA & OR was certainly available but rather rare. I know this because my former boss (who flew C-141’s in the AF reserve) loved Humboldt County weed and at times it was hard for him to get.

That is pretty much how things remained until it was legalized here.  Despite legalization the black market still exists and black market weed is cheaper than the legal variety. I have a friend with a medical MJ card that allows him to grow his own weed. He used to be a dealer who sold his own product so he is well versed in creating hybrids and improving yield and potency. His card allows him to grow a very limited number of plants but he exceeds that because he enjoys the process and challenge of producing a better product. I mentioned this before……..this friend actually gives his excess weed away for free. If I was still smoking myself I’d never have to buy weed again. I doubt that the black market will ever go away.

I only see legalization failing via Federal lawsuits. There are apparently one or more cases headed for the Supreme Court which could trump state laws but I’m not confident they’ll succeed.

I’ll be doing a bit of research on the unfolding weed industry here in Washington since legalization just to keep SSS honest when he tries to fire up his propaganda machine in the future. It may even result in an article for TBP.

SSS-0, Legal Weed-2……..stay tuned for a shut out!

 


 

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Dutchman
Dutchman
December 31, 2015 9:47 am

They call it dope for a reason.

I don’t care how fucked up you want to get – I don’t want to pay for your rehab.

Maggie
Maggie
December 31, 2015 10:09 am

My cousins went to Colorado to visit their kid who is in College there and came back complaining that the chocolate candy bars laced with THC are twice as expensive this year and that each little serving has only 50 micrograms or milligrams of the drug in it instead of 100 like last year. So really, that’s a 400 percent increase.

But, that is just one example and since I wasn’t there buying it either time, it is only hearsay.

I am glad I joined the USAF when I did… I had just gotten into smoking marijuana once in a while and really liked it. Too much. Looking back now, I realize I’m one of those people who might get stoned and stare at my hand for an hour.

Then I wouldn’t be able to read and comment here so much!

pablito
pablito
December 31, 2015 10:11 am

Yes, weed is a curse, and any one who smoke the evil weed will soon turn to heroin.

It will also make you go crazy, just one puff and you are hooked, for life.

Even after years of not smoking, just a picture of a bud, will force the ex-user into convulsions, and require a cocktail of high octane pharmaceuticals to calm down the previous “Addict”

also, rehab will not work on mary jane users, its pull is to hard, its pleasure to seductive.

Weed, a harsh mistress.

cough cough, bullshit, cough, cough
cough, cough cough, cough cough, cough cough, cough cough, cough cough, cough cough

HAPPY NEW YEARS.

kokoda
kokoda
December 31, 2015 10:20 am

Dutch…maybe ‘dope’ was coined by the propaganda machine in D.C.

But, legal psychotropic drugs provided by our healthcare industry to those under 25 have a profound affect on mental stability, like most of the mass killings (not Muzzie related) in the U.S.

But hey, they are LEGAL, so no problem, right. Where are all the ‘dope’ users when you need them – shouldn’t they be out killing the school children. Well no, they are home sleeping it off.

Stucky
Stucky
December 31, 2015 10:32 am

Indentured Servant

YOU SHIT-STIRRER, YOU!!!!!!!

:mrgreen:

Much as I respect Mr. SSS, (I truly do), he has never in all my time here made even ONE coherent argument concerning the eeeeeevils of smoking pot. Not. One.

Yet, you post this, you SHIT-STIRRER!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 31, 2015 10:37 am
kokoda
kokoda
December 31, 2015 10:55 am

Anon…were those ‘studies’ from your liks funded by the gov’t or an NGO with an agenda? I didn’t look, but I am always suspicious – AND I never believe anything I see or read without performing due diligence.

Compare your deaths caused by ‘dope’ to deaths caused by alcohol (another LEGAL drug) for the last 50 years. But, that might cause you to ‘think’ over your position (Not) while swilling another beer.

Gayle
Gayle
December 31, 2015 10:55 am

I know four or five people who have a dependence on marijuana. Where the line separates dependence and addiction, I do not know; maybe there is no line and no addiction.

This experience puzzles me in light of the accepted mantra that MJ is harmless to all. My friends start smoking first thing in the morning and continue with hits until they go to bed at night. Smoking is a continual preoccupation, and I assume it is a form of self-medication for whatever reason.

Back in the day I smoked a bit with a group of friends. I began to notice that these people could not seem to enjoy anything, even a picnic in the park, on its own merits. Nothing could be enjoyed for its own sake anymore. I decided I didn’t want to be like that, so I stopped.

Marijuana has definite therapeutic purposes from what I have read. If I ever get cancer, I would not hesitate to use it for pain.

One little plant sure causes a lot of controversy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 31, 2015 11:16 am

kokoda,

One isn’t even a study, it’s a factual news report concerning a current and rather well publicized incident (one that the police seem strangely bent on keeping its professed motive from being made public).

FWIW, all studies are funded by someone, there aren’t many billionaires that are also qualified scientific and medical researchers that fund themselves. That doesn’t mean all studies are prejudiced one way or the other.

Stucky
Stucky
December 31, 2015 11:36 am

LAS VEGAS (AP) — The FBI is offering a $5,000 reward for information that helps them find the person who put raw bacon on the door handles of a Las Vegas mosque.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MOSQUE_BACON_VANDALISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-30-22-41-49
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Yo! FBI !!! It was SSS !!!!!!!!

Bob
Bob
December 31, 2015 12:03 pm

Geez, do we have to look any further than the history of the rum-runners during prohibition to see where this is heading? The MJ pushers will have to move on to other things in the face of legalization — some successfully, and others not. Either way, the crime statistics are likely to dip sharply, even if its primarily on the user side of the scale.

This is also a good argument for legalization of other drugs. Unemployment and bankruptcy for some of those murderous, scummy monsters! What a concept! LOL

Dutchman
Dutchman
December 31, 2015 12:05 pm

Let’s say this: Weed is not a constructive, positive motivator. The least harmful effect is to waste your time (life).

ottomatik
ottomatik
December 31, 2015 12:09 pm

Stucky-IS- Let us not sell SSS’s SHIT STIRRING short, for he is the original and continual Mac Daddy SHIT STIRRER on this topic, in fact all of his posting inflame and welcome attack, for that he deserves solid recognition.
Thank you SSS.

The bottom has fallen out of the weed market here in Colorado. Many are getting it for FREE, yes, high quality sticky Kind buds, for free. If one were inclined to purchase it, 100$ to 150$ per ounce on the Black market is the going rate, double that in the dispensary.

Growing it is so wide spread I believe the Cartels are having real problems penetrating the Market.
Who wants to buy from those scary freaks?
It seems with Cocaine and Heroin, the Cartels have a monopoly, and certain segments of our society HAVE to interact with them to acquire product, which then can be distributed to more average, everyday consumers, that want Cocaine but don’t want to deal with crazy Narcos.
The Weed market is lost to the Cartels in my opinion, as it no longer passes through their US Southern Boarder monopoly. Who wants to buy from those scary MS13 fucks? Not your typical stoner.

Gayle
Gayle
December 31, 2015 12:10 pm

I_S

I resolve the issue by equating M to alcohol. I have been enjoying a glass of wine before dinner for decades. Never have had any desire for more. I assume I could also partake of weed in the same manner with the same results.

Others have a physical or psychological makeup that prevents easy limitation. Just as a few beers can start some people on the road to alcoholism, smoking can lead to a disastrous relationship with anything chemical.

I understand this is probably an oversimplification.

I’m glad your strong brain survived your teenage experiments!

Joey
Joey
December 31, 2015 1:07 pm

time for anecdotes from the anecdoted. I happen to know personally of a teenage boy with a great academic/athletic future-until he started “partaking” of the marvelous herb. Age around 15-16. Well, somehow, all the marvel just vanished, into herb heaven. The final two years of high school were lost life parts. Forever. All previous life successes were diminished to little or NADA.. Personality changed from winner to loser with anyone who was not in his beautiful culture. Good, old friends designated to the crap basket. Need we go on? That was just part of wonderful the picture. He is not the only one. By far.
Malcolm Muggeridge-a rather well known past time author/philosopher etc. of decades past. When teaching university courses at university in Egypt, he wrote that his task was made most simple, because his students were usually stupefied on Hash. Now, that’s progress for you.
For those who have not yet had the opportunity— obtain Aldous Huxley’s BRAVE NEW WORLD, and take note of how the Master Class managed to subdue any serious rebel activity amongst the Subject Class.. That’s right-you got it-even you can guess. Put them to a happy sleep-just like a poster said today-just go away and sleep. Well, then, why ever know your senses-ever? Just a floaty sleep. So pleasant.
Maybe that is why it is reported that the George Soros organizations are one of the main contributors to the legalization campaigns. He sure as hell does not need any accruing riches.
Personally, what a thrill it would be to slowly strangle just one of the community parasites who are involved in destroying the opportunities of a young, impressionable, inexperienced human being.
By promoting and supplying that vulnerable human with a beautiful herb which could well destroy all aspects of a fruitful existence.
Such parasites are so low on the human scale of things that they would need a ladder to climb up high enough to scratch a snake’s belly.

ottomatik
ottomatik
December 31, 2015 1:28 pm

Joey- If only we could eliminate all of possible derailments our little princes’ and princess’ would ever encounter.
Your anecdote is applicable for virtually every conceivable vice on gods green earth, including sugar, look at the obesity/diabetes explosion, lets ban sugar, right?
Fat kids= Bad.
For the children.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
December 31, 2015 1:31 pm

The only “MJ treatment” programs I know of are 99% court-ordered, because PC mandates there must be some sorta penalty for using the evil weed in states where it is still prohibited.

Here in Socal getting medical cannabis is as simple as dialing your favorite home delivery dispensary and selecting your competitively-priced favs from their weedmaps directory

https://www.weedmaps.com

Joey
Joey
December 31, 2015 1:55 pm

For those with feeble mind contortions, my example is just one of many.
One of the trees in the floaty forest.

The prospective forest you will find in BRAVE NEW WORLD, certainly not today any threat to the many in our hedonized junkyard of tattooed-ring-roped-studded complacented subject class, but once was thought of as an ominous forecast of a future wherein the inhabitants do not even know they are in reality just growers and bearers of wool, rather than symbols of true independence.

And that is exactly where big guvamint wants you-floating on a cloud, where you will never be a bother to power. Just go to sleeeeeeepppp.

daddysteve
daddysteve
December 31, 2015 1:57 pm

“Personally, what a thrill it would be to slowly strangle just one of the community parasites who are involved in destroying the opportunities of a young, impressionable, inexperienced human being”

If this was about central banking…

Gayle
Gayle
December 31, 2015 2:19 pm

Westcoaster

Some other friends of mine tried to get me involved with baking special pies for the medical marijuana convention. They were certain I could make a nice chunk of change, as they did with their food product. I considered but declined. They told me all proceeds were “donations.”

Now I’m off to Santa Anita on a beautiful day to watch some horses race around.

Joey
Joey
December 31, 2015 2:21 pm

Partly right-biggest bankers-biggest corporatists, and their servants, the political class, parts of the 1%, and their plans for public subjection, by whatever means, including, but not limited to public self stupefaction.

Administrator
Administrator
  Joey
December 31, 2015 2:28 pm

Joey

So you must also favor making liquor illegal too, as your anecdote applies to millions more who have seen their lives become a failure due to alcohol. Right?

Maggie
Maggie
December 31, 2015 2:38 pm

Shit, I just remembered that my cousin gave me a big fat bud about a month ago and I hid it somewhere and I don’t know where.

Nick and I were going to smoke it and see it if had the same effect on us once the kids were out of here.

And now I’ve LOST it.

Dammit. I don’t need pot to get all fuzzy headed.

Tim
Tim
December 31, 2015 2:51 pm

MAGGIE!

That’s a cardinal sin, right there. Losing some good weed you got as a gift? Holy cow!

Well, maybe you’ll find it by accident one rainy day, and then it’ll be lagniappe.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
December 31, 2015 3:04 pm

Gayle says: I began to notice that these people could not seem to enjoy anything, even a picnic in the park, on its own merits. Nothing could be enjoyed for its own sake anymore. I decided I didn’t want to be like that, so I stopped.

Marihuana, like cocaine, uses up your brain’s endorphins. Your brain releases these like a water gate and you feel the mad rush of exhilaration usually reserved for the odd occasion when you spot Kanye or any Kardashian.

Then it takes time for your body to restore its stash of endorphins and now you walk around like a zombie. It takes more drug to get the same happiness. In terms of the market, you are getting lower highs and lower lows, a bad sign of a coming crash.

Joey
Joey
December 31, 2015 3:08 pm

Administrator
Good lawyer trick-
Yes, for one, continue to ban the cockroaches who make their cockroach living selling any kind of dope to kids. I happen to think that the physical and mental health of vulnerable kids is still more important to the kids and to the community than that the scum deserves to keep walking free.
Maybe that is of no concern to you.
All anarchy should rule???

Try a re read. You will not see any other talk of banning, even though any gubamint merchandising involvement just officially sanctions, and suggests that there is no possible harm, and provides one more outlet by which kids can gain access.

Other than banning the useless eaters of kids’ opportunities, the objective here is to try to provide a different outlook to those who see only the benefits of a temporary escape from reality. And that limited thinking precludes any thought of possible consequences.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
December 31, 2015 4:16 pm

Joey, I’m with you. It is a stupefying drug. But we must be consistent, outlawing stupefying drugs would transmit the message that we are willing to outlaw hover boards and guns.

ottomatik
ottomatik
December 31, 2015 5:29 pm

EL Coyo, thanks for that, Joey keep’s ringing the Save the Children gong, as if one more bigger ring will resonate where the first 10 did not. Hey it’s New Years!! Maybe if he hit’s it at Midnight exactly it will resonate better.

Joey
Joey
December 31, 2015 9:47 pm

The three monkies syndrome.
Neither see, hear, nor speak evil.

“Neck deep in the Big Muddy, and the damn fool said to push on.”

B
B
January 1, 2016 12:20 am

Grew up in the 60’s. Graduated high school 1967. By the early 70’s nearly everyone had smoked pot except those truly tightly wrapped, a small minority of geeks. I smoked pot every day for 7 years, for example. Looking back, very few kept smoking pot by the time the 80’s hit. Those that kept smoking pot and did not get into other drugs seemed to live a normal productive life. I , like many others, simply got tired of it. Addictive? Less than donuts in my experience.
The most destructive drug out there? Nicotine and alcohol, hands down, by miles

SSS
SSS
January 1, 2016 4:29 pm

“I really am on (SSS’s) side when it comes to decriminalization and legalization. However, he’s deliberately obtuse and avoids answering questions when he posts his propaganda pieces on weed. The only thing he KNOWS about weed is what his govt masters told him and he cherry picks data points to support that narrative. That shit don’t fly on TBP and he knows that.”
—-Indentured Servant

Bite me. I don’t care whose side you’re on. I do my own research, and I do my own original writing for my articles, not some copy-and-paste, linky-dinky bullshit from someone else. I’m not submitting some fucking Doctoral Thesis here, complete with footnotes and bibliography, so stop bothering me with dumbshit questions such as “Link?”

If you think I cherry-pick data points, post propaganda, or rely on “what my govt masters tell me,” that’s your fucking problem, not mine. And I don’t give a shit what flies on TBP and with whom. This isn’t Facebook, and I’m not here to see how many “Likes” I can get.

Happy Fucking New Year, jerk.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
January 1, 2016 8:31 pm

Pot rots (your brain, lungs, senses, motivation, libido etc). Dopers sink into mental quicksand. Enjoy your MJ you stupid liberal SOBs because you’re leaving more women and wealth to us.