The Odds of Being Killed by an Immigrant

Guest Post by Scott Adams

I keep seeing tweets and articles saying the odds of an immigrant killing a citizen of the United States are approximately zero. Obviously those calculations assume that our past experiences do a good job of predicting what happens next. And this is good news. Really, really, good news.

It’s good news because I used to be afraid of lots of stuff that never happened in the past. For example, I have never died from a nuclear attack, but now I understand that risk to be zero. We can dismantle our nuclear deterrents and relax. If a nuclear bomb hasn’t killed me in the past, I can safely conclude that it will never kill me in the future. I feel sorry for all of you science-deniers who think otherwise.

I built a complicated prediction model to prove my point. The model only has one variable – the number of times I have died in nuclear blasts in the past. That number equals the number of times I will die in nuclear blasts in the future. Skeptics might doubt the credibility of my prediction model, but I would argue that it fits the past quite well. And that means it predicts the future too, unless you are ignorant of science and whatnot.

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More good news: Climate change is not a risk in the future. Man-made warming has never destroyed civilization in the past, so that means there is no chance it will happen in the future. That’s how the past works; it tells you what happens in the future. And boy is that handy. Before I learned that secret I was just guessing.

We all learned as kids that history repeats itself. You know it is true because you heard it when you were young and stupid, and it stuck in your head. That’s proof right there. And it fits your observations too. For example, look how many times the Wright Brothers invented the airplane. They must have done it thousands of times by now, just like they did the first time. You might think the airplane would stay invented. But that’s not how the past works, you ignoramus. The past repeats. Those brothers just keep inventing that airplane, over and over. Even after they died, which obviously they did not see coming because they had not died in the past.

Now let me tell you a little secret about investing that will make all of you rich if you follow my advice. History repeats, so buy stocks that have already gone way up in value. Those stocks have no choice but to keep going up forever. Remember, history repeats. Those stocks have no choice. Easy money.

You’re welcome!

I left the best part for last. It turns out that you and I are immortal because we have never died in the past. And throw away those condoms because you can’t get any diseases or babies you don’t already have. Seatbelts are a waste of time too.

I’m thinking about taking up smoking because I know a smoker who got hit by a car and died. If smoking didn’t kill that guy, I can be confident it will never kill me either. I’ve been living my life as a scaredy cat and never knew it.

And someone needs to tell Trump he isn’t really the president. We’ve never had a real estate developer as president in the past, so obviously it didn’t happen this time either.

— sarcasm off —

The idea that we can predict the future based on the past is one of our most persistent illusions. It isn’t rational (for the vast majority of situations) and it doesn’t match our observations. But we think it does.

The big problem is that we have lots of history from which to cherry-pick our predictions about the future. The only reason history repeats is because there is so much of it. Everything that happens today is bound to remind us of something that happened before, simply because lots of stuff happened before, and our minds are drawn to analogies.

History does repeat in the scientific sense. If you can rigorously control the variables of your experiment, you can expect the same outcomes almost every time. But the real world is not a controlled experiment.

That said, the odds of any one American getting killed by an immigrant is probably about zero. But the odds of at least one American getting killed by at least one immigrant in the next thousand years is close to 100%. It seems to me that the only honest and rational opinion about immigration is one that takes this form:

Example rational and honest opinion:

– I favor immigration of X type, and…

– I understand that the likely cost in American lives will range between zero and several thousand dead and wounded over the next ten years. On top of that, I recognize that the families of the victims are destroyed at the same time, so perhaps 100,000 people will be adversely affected by looser immigration of the type I favor. I accept that risk to maintain the rights of non-Americans to immigrate here and to preserve the national character of the United States as a nation of immigrants. I also think it makes it easier to combat terrorism because it makes us look like less of an enemy to Islam.

But you rarely hear an opinion that sounds like that. Instead we get various versions of this:

Example irrational and dishonest opinion 1:

– I favor immigration of X type, and…

– There is no substantial risk because immigrants from the specific countries that are subject to the temporary ban have never killed any Americans in terrorist ways before.

– Stop talking about rape, you racist.

On the other side of the debate you see this:

Example irrational and dishonest opinion 2:

– I say I oppose immigration from Muslim countries because I want to protect myself and my country from potential terror attacks. And…

– I’m not allowed to say that my real fear is that if Islam gets a large enough foothold in the United States we will be transitioning from a situation of assimilation to one of eventual conquest because Islam doesn’t like to play second fiddle.

I don’t know how immigration will turn out. But I am confident that the outcome will not be based on reason. And that might be okay too. Citizens don’t like to live in fear, even if the fear is irrational. People who are afraid of flying find the experience deeply unsettling even if they understand the risks to be miniscule. Fear matters, and Americans have fear about immigration. Find a way to remove the fear – that doesn’t involve backwards-facing statistics – and you have the possibility of a rational solution. And the only way to remove fear is to eliminate terrorism by persuading terrorists to stop.

I’ll work on that for you.

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kokoda the deplorable
kokoda the deplorable
February 1, 2017 12:54 pm

This is dishonesty to confuse the public:

“Climate change” means a change of climate which is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity that alters the composition of the global atmosphere and which is in addition to natural climate variability observed over comparable time periods.”

That’s from the official UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/background/items/2536.php). or
https://web.archive.org/web/20140913102734/http://unfccc.int/files/documentation/text/html/list_search.php?what=keywords&val=&valan=a&anf=84&id=10
The term specifically excludes all natural climate change, and even excludes any caused by humans due to, for example, land clearance or city building, considering only atmospheric changes.

SONNY JIM
SONNY JIM
  kokoda the deplorable
February 1, 2017 2:33 pm

IF DETRIMENTAL CLIMATE CHANGE IS CAUSED BY HUMANS, THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION … REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HUMANS … ALL YOU LIBS PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE !!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 1, 2017 12:56 pm

The odds of being killed by a drunken “immigrant” driver are actually rather high considering their percentage of the population vs the overall driving population.

But, since no statistics are kept and published, it’s hard to know this unless your local paper reports it as such and fewer and fewer of them are willing to even mention the race of suspects and perpetrators any more.

Then there’s violent crime and, well, ………………..

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anonymous
February 1, 2017 1:26 pm

There are tens of thousands of warrants outstanding for immigrants, mainly illegal, who have committed murder, attempted murder, vehicular homicide, rape, etc. The whole contention is just a lie…

Ammo
Ammo
  Anonymous
February 1, 2017 1:30 pm

You are correct in the point that the media reporting nor longer reflects the religion, nationality, or legal status of any suspect or perpetrator; but hidden beneath this veneer of the non-reporting of a “immigrant” driver we can find the statistics revealed in the higher rates of your insurance policy costs and the requirement in some states to carry no-fault car insurance due to the high frequency of accidents of “immigrant” drivers “drunk or otherwise”.

I often wonder where that POS “illegal alien” driver is that nearly killed me and my daughter some years ago, oh, by the way he got the “free” helicopter ride to the emergency before fleeing prosecution and escaping back to the hell hole from which he was hatched.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 1, 2017 1:08 pm

“The big problem is that we have lots of history from which to cherry-pick our predictions about the future. The only reason history repeats is because there is so much of it. Everything that happens today is bound to remind us of something that happened before, simply because lots of stuff happened before, and our minds are drawn to analogies.”

He writes like he draws. Simplistic, rudimentary, slightly humorous.

So get this, seasons only occur because so many other seasons have occurred and we have minds that simply look for analogies to past seasons. So seasons aren’t really a repeating cycle, they are just our silly minds desperately looking to impose order on a chaotic universe.

Hey Scott, a thought just occurred to me. Sometimes when you are right often enough your mind sees a pattern and thinks it will always be right whatever it comes up with, even when you are wrong.

DRUD
DRUD
  hardscrabble farmer
February 1, 2017 6:43 pm

Bullshit, HSF and you know it. Of course, there are cycles, but to be rational in your example one would say: we will have winter again, but we will never again have the winter of 2003. Time moves forward only, the Second Law of Thermodynamics says that the universe is IRREVERSIBLY changed with each passing instant.
There are many levels of perception through which to view existence. You are on a different one than he, so your argument falls apart.
Adams is, as always, being cocksure and oversimplifying…but in this instance you are doing the same.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
February 1, 2017 1:17 pm

Scott Adams seems to be a little edgy today. Either too much coffee or the shenanigans in DC are starting to push him toward the edge.

Stucky
Stucky
February 1, 2017 1:22 pm

“That said, the odds of any one American getting killed by an immigrant is probably about zero. ” ——- article

Tell that to this woman, Kate Steinle.

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Oh, wait. She was killed. By an immigrant.

Sometime SA hits a triple. Today he strikes out.

DRUD
DRUD
  Stucky
February 1, 2017 6:46 pm

Goddam it, you too Stuck? Yes, he says that. He also says “But the odds of at least one American getting killed by at least one immigrant in the next thousand years is close to 100%.” Both are true.

And before either you or HSF get on my ass about defending Scott Adams…I am not.

I am defending LOGIC.

B LEVER
B LEVER
  DRUD
February 1, 2017 8:05 pm

I’m not saying DUD is right but …..DUD is right (for the moment) . DRUD why so cranky, did the baby keep you up last night?

There are also cycles where there are no seasons replaced by long periods of extreme cold.

DRUD
DRUD
  B LEVER
February 1, 2017 9:45 pm

A logical assumption, Bea, but wrong. She is sleeping great and is adorable and you’re still a dillhole.
I’m “cranky” because despite the ham-handed, bludgeoning style of the article, Adams is making a point about how rare a quality rationality is…And two of usually more rational posters make blatantly specious arguments attacking it. This is the same bs the left pulls all the fucking time and I’m calling it out.
Also, calling me DUD is ad-hominem…The basest logical fallacy of all.
PS – me calling you a dillhole is simply expressing my opinion….Not arguing any point you made.?

B LEVER
B LEVER
  DRUD
February 1, 2017 11:14 pm

Just yanking your chain DRUD, glad to see you. Our baby girl will be 45 this year….where do the years go? 🙂

DRUD
DRUD
  B LEVER
February 1, 2017 11:18 pm

I know, B. Me too.
Time is a face on the water.
-Stephen King

Stucky
Stucky
  DRUD
February 1, 2017 10:23 pm

Yup, me too.

At one point, Kate Steinle had a near zero chance of being killed by an illegal immigrant. Now she’s dead. She’s at 100%

I don’t like what SA is implying …. that since the chances are near zero (that’s probably bullshit anyway) well, don’t worry about it! Bullfuckenshit.

How about I come over and offer you a glass of my finest German beer. Before you drink I tell you this — “There’s a possibility that I put a lethal dose of arsenic in that beer. It’s near zero … but, it’s NOT zero.” You gonna drink it? You’d be a fool to say yes.

DRUD
DRUD
  Stucky
February 1, 2017 10:52 pm

… What kind of beer we talking about?
Again missing the point. Comparing statistics to individual events is fundamentally specious. Basing one’s own actions upon statistics is not and that’s what you’re advocating in this post. Your first post, however, is making exactly the same argument if I were yo say 85% of homicides are black on black and some liberal douche responds by saying he has numerous black friends and they’re all very peaceful. Fallacy, even if it’s factually true.

Now, on a different level of argument…Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be killed by a copfuk than a terrorist in this county….And yes, if either happens to you, you are equally dead and it is equally tragic. Personally, I try to avoid both…But my personal actions or beliefs have no effect on the statistics….no effect on the Truth…And no effect on logic.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
February 1, 2017 1:29 pm

I enjoyed most of it except that to call this statement:

“I’m not allowed to say that my real fear is that if Islam gets a large enough foothold in the United States we will be transitioning from a situation of assimilation to one of eventual conquest because Islam doesn’t like to play second fiddle.”

“irrational” is incorrect. That statement is eminently rational.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
February 1, 2017 1:42 pm

As I’ve said before, “Islamophobia” implies an irrational fear of Islam, but there is nothing irrational about it.

Any sane Westerner should fear Islam, or even the insane ones that still have common sense.

kokoda the deplorable
kokoda the deplorable
February 1, 2017 1:38 pm

“And the only way to remove fear is to eliminate terrorism by persuading terrorists to stop.

I’ll work on that for you.”

You will have to eliminate all Mosques – the learning centers for all Musloid terrorists. Good luck with that.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
February 1, 2017 2:08 pm

Fear? You think I’m afraid of being physically harmed by these assholes? Ha!
Fear would not even be among the top ten reasons I was against Obama’s immigration policies regarding muslims. No time to waste by thinking about my list so I’ll just go with this:

The muslims have fucked up each and every country they have controlled throughout history.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mesomorph
February 1, 2017 2:17 pm

“The muslims have fucked up each and every country they have controlled throughout history.”

And you don’t think we should fear that happening to ours?

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
  Anonymous
February 1, 2017 2:45 pm

I thought I was clear about separating the fear of being physically harmed from the general fears associated with uncontrolled muslim immigration. I thought that was what Scott’s article was discussing too.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mesomorph
February 1, 2017 4:40 pm

I see no difference.

Bother looking at reality lately? Or Europe for that matter?

Dutchman
Dutchman
February 1, 2017 2:12 pm

Why should even one person be killed by an illegal immigrant. Suppose it was your daughter / son / wife / brother / sister / mother / father.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  Dutchman
February 1, 2017 7:35 pm

Dutchman,
as usual you make a plain straightforward true statement
that settles the argument. Thank you v. much.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 1, 2017 2:39 pm

It’s like everyone else really, really likes mid-century chrome furniture but you prefer colonial era antique wood pieces. You can’t have them. You have to have the chrome stuff and if you don’t want it then you should just hurry up and die because clearly, you hate chrome furniture.

That’s about the sum total of their rationale.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
February 1, 2017 3:04 pm

Scott’s trying to reason with irrational people. Good luck with that – if you can turn one liberal into a real intellectual, however, you will have accomplished something.

Unexpandable
Unexpandable
  james the deplorable wanderer
February 1, 2017 4:57 pm

In accordance to the “movies” we all have playing in our minds, Scott uses our own perceptions in his attempts to persuade.

Another way to look at it would be to view any collective bias as “language bubbles” with defined perimeters. Scott simply blows familiar concepts (based on our own perceptions & recollections) into sentences that either expand or dissipate, the original, conceptual vesicles of his readers.

This does make him a magician of sorts:

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
February 1, 2017 5:42 pm

Sad fact nearly all devotes to Islam that have killed Americans in the United States were checked out by our federal authorities be it Dept. of Immagration , HSA or FBI and pow boom zing success ! As to our melting pot if I recall my grandfather sat in front of a mirror and repeated phrases he heard on a radio until is Italian accent was gone and he became a citizen , started a business and put 2 children through college and after his death the business and proceeds from what he built supported his wife , my grandmother till she died . The class of people entering our country today that are here to build a dream are to few compared to what comes in illegally with a list of demands including that we inform them in their language at our expense .
Like La Roza the Hispanic movement to re conquer the south west states or Sheria for Islamic believers , both groups have no desire to be Americans ! Their desire is to conquer convert or kill Americans , this is a fact !
The only solution that I can see for American security is to block their entrance , round up all who have already entered illegally and either vett properly or deport but no access to our country till the current mess is fixed and not a bull shit Washington fix but a real world solution !

Suzanna
Suzanna
February 1, 2017 7:56 pm

Boat,
I also had to practice my English…and now! I can speak English.
And read and write as well. A person has to be willing and able
to adjust to a new culture, and having a list of needs/demands
is not willingness…it is a subtle form of violence.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Suzanna
February 1, 2017 9:20 pm

Deine Englisch ist sehr schön!

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
February 2, 2017 5:55 am

Hmm…well I’ve had three friends who have been in car wrecks with illegals including one whose daughter was in a coma for four days when an illegal T-boned their car as they were turning left into their driveway .He was behind them and smacked them. It’s been by the grace of God that none of them were killed in each of these wrecks.

I’m sure it’s comforting to think that the chances you have of being killed by illegal is small ( as is being murdered by an American citizen ) but all it takes is that one incident to chance your life and the lives of others .

We can get into the drain on our country these third world folks bring. They aren’t the best and brightest in their own country,they generally are the worst . With 42 million American already sucking off the American teat do we really need more breeders doing the same ?