Why Robert Shiller Is Worried About The Market

The last time Robert Shiller heard stock-market investors talk like this in 2000, it didn’t end well for the bulls.

As Bloomberg reports, Shiller says when markets are as buoyant as they are now, resisting the urge to pile in is hard regardless of what else might be happening in society.

“I was tempted to do it, too,” he says. “Trump keeps talking about a new spirit for America and so you could (A) believe that or (B) you could believe that other investors believe that.”

What Shiller will say now is that he’s refrained from adding to his own U.S. stock positions, emphasizing overseas markets instead. One factor that makes him cautious on American shares is the S&P 500’s cyclically-adjusted price-earnings ratio: While the metric is still about 30 percent below its high in 2000, it shows stocks are almost as expensive now as they were on the eve of the 1929 crash.

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Shiller is not alone…

“I don’t generally call the entire market wrong — investors are very smart, highly motivated individuals — but I find it hard to say why stock markets are so un-volatile right now,” says Nicholas Bloom, a Stanford University economist who co-designed the uncertainty gauge with colleagues from the University of Chicago and Northwestern University.

 

For Hersh Shefrin, a finance professor at Santa Clara University and author of a 2007 book on the role of psychology in markets, the rally is just another example of investors’ remarkable penchant for tunnel vision. Shefrin has a favorite analogy to illustrate his point: the great tulip-mania of 17th century Holland. Even the most casual students of financial history are familiar with the frenzy, during which a rare tulip bulb was worth enough money to buy a mansion. What often gets overlooked, though, is that the mania happened during an outbreak of bubonic plague.

“People were dying left and right,” Shefrin says. “So here you have financial markets sending signals completely at odds with the social mood of the time, with the degree of fear at the time.”

But while the academics can look back and study and reflect on the nature of bubbles, the Wall Street types will always find excuses:

“It’s been a period of repeated shocks, and I think people get toughened against that,” Ethan Harris, Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s global economist in New York, says. “It seems like uncertainty is the new norm, so you just learn to live with it.”

We leave it to Mr. Shiller to sum it all up…

“The market is way over-priced,” he says. “It’s not as intellectual as people would think, or as economists would have you believe.”

Trade accordingly.

 

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rhs jr
rhs jr
March 14, 2017 10:19 am

Your advice to buy stocks was free, thank you; so here is some better advice for free. Wall Street is as fake as the TV news; a rigged game where most of the players work for the house to fleece suckers pensions and life insurance money. Instead of giving money to NYC shysters, start a business. If you just inherited your money and couldn’t park a bicycle straight or work a day if you had to, buy physical gold and stop bothering people with your fake worries about a damned NYC scam.

Ed
Ed
March 14, 2017 10:51 am

ZH started (according to them) as a counter to the financial msm shills and touts for the NYSE, but the articles there are usually “according to Bloomerg, WSJ, FT, Reuters, The economist” etc.

They post articles by some original thinkers, but most of the page is loaded with the same crap as this article.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Ed
March 14, 2017 11:12 am

Puker, stock broker – salesman talk. Hey, buy some of this, my grandma owns a lot of this……….

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
March 14, 2017 10:57 am

If I start a business, it’s going to be a fish and chips stand. Mostly because I like fish and chips.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
March 14, 2017 11:43 am

I still see “pump & dump” is alive and well.
A childhood friend called me up the other day and told me to buy a certain “stock” “It is positioned to go up 1500% by April 15 guaranteed” he said. I asked what the stock is and what the company does. Dead silence…… “How the hell do I know! Just buy it!!!”
Seems the same is happening for the Dow, S&P 500 etc. Some politician makes a real good speech to Congress, and every mother and his dog, buys in to the stock market!
Just so you know….. “Pump & Dump” is a way for shysters to make money by buying into penny stocks (usually by the thousands) – by promoting the hell out of them – then selling once it goes up a few percentage points, leaving you to hold the bag. Once the price falls – rinse and repeat for the next stock…..

Ed
Ed
  Fiatman60
March 14, 2017 5:24 pm

Yeah, pump&dump is such a well established scam that it was one of the lines of income for the crime family in that old series The Sopranos. They showed a boiler room operation where the young cold callers were touting stock in a company called Webistics. One of the salesmen wasn’t pushing it saying it was a dog, and he caught a beating from two young thugs who were there to oversee the push..

Suzanna
Suzanna
March 14, 2017 12:49 pm

Every comment is on point!

Iska,
great idea. I suppose street vendors will do brisk sales
during a downturn…heck, bottled water and popcorn,
(I vote kettle corn) will even turn a profit. Does the
heat drive out the GMO poison?

Miles Long
Miles Long
March 14, 2017 3:17 pm

shill
SHil/
North Americaninformal
noun
noun: shill; plural noun: shills

1. an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.

Much like a person named Miller’s ancestry likely ran a mill, is this where the Shiller family got their surname?

Just curious.

Trader Jim
Trader Jim
March 15, 2017 11:49 am

“The game of speculation is the most uniformly fascinating game in the world. But it is not a game for the stupid, the mentally lazy, the person of inferior emotional balance, or the get-rich-quick adventurer. They will die poor.” – Jesse Livermore
That is excellent advice. Jesse Livermore was one of the most successful traders in history. Why? Because he did not listen to ANYONE. He formulated his own conclusions on everything.
ALL of what is told to you from Wall Street is a scam. Period. Full stop. The ONLY way to be successful in the markets is to use your own counsel. Don’t ever turn on CNBC, don’t listen to analysts (paid by the banks or anyone else). Don’t listen to economists, or Robert Schiller. Simply look at two things when trading – volume and price. THAT will tell you all you need to know…..Why is that simple concept not “taught” by anyone, simply because it gives you an ADVANTAGE, and the house does not like when you have an advantage. Volume and price, used effectively gives you the same advantage as a card counter in Vegas. Hence, illegal in Vegas, and actively DISCOURAGED by supposedly “expert” traders. They prefer you use MACD, Moving Averages and at least 80 other “technical studies” that are great at telling you what happened, vs. what the odds of it happening are. Volume and price tell you what most likely WILL happen, and THAT is the only edge YOU have.