Clearly Israel is Evil but is Yahweh Evil too?

The God of Israel Is a Bloodthirsty, Vindictive Sociopath – Does This Explain the Misanthropy of the Jews?

‘“The finest trick of the devil, Charles Baudelaire wrote, is to persuade you that he does not exist”. Perhaps he was mistaken. His finest trick, I believe, is to convince the world that he is God.’

Laurent Guyénot Sun, Jul 22, 2018 |

Introduction

This article follows and concludes a series of four articles I wrote recently for the Saker blog. In the first one, “How Biblical is Zionism?” (reproduced under a different title on Russia Insider), I wrote: “When Israeli leaders claim that their vision of the global future is based on the (Hebrew) Bible, we should take them seriously and study the (Hebrew) Bible.” In the second one, “How Zionist is the New Word Order?

I explained that Zionism was never a nationalist movement like others; insofar as it is rooted in the biblical narrative, it contained from the outset a plan for world domination. In the third article, “Who the Hell is the Prince of this World?” I contended that the core characteristic of the biblical ideology—and the best-kept secret of Judaism—is its materialistic anthropology, best summarized by American rabbi Harry Waton: “the only immortality there is for the Jew is the immortality in the Jewish people.” In the fourth article, “Is Israel a Psychopath?”

I argued that “Israel is the psychopath among nations, and that means a tremendous capacity to manipulate, intimidate, corrupt morally, and get what they want.” In this fifth and final part, I wish to address once again the issue of the biblical root of Jewishness, by arguing that the psychopathic behavior of Israel—understood both as a national state and as an international organized community—is the end result of the psychopathic “personality” of the Jewish God portrayed in the Bible.

Let me first state that I take no pleasure in offending anybody’s religious faith. Some Christians tell me that I do not read the Old Testament correctly, through New Testament glasses. My answer is: read it as you like, and convert the Jews to your reading if you can.

My purpose is to explain how the Jews, by whom and for whom it was written, have been reading it for more than a hundred generations, and how it has shaped their worldview, and continues to shape the worldview of many elite Jews. I understand and even empathize with Christians’ difficulty to engage in this effort, but I believe there will be no lasting cure from the corrupting influence of international Jewry without unprejudiced etiological inquiry.

To assess correctly the underlying ideology of the Hebrew Tanakh and its influence on those who hold it as their “roman national”, requires that we put aside the notion that it was inspired by “God” in any way, for this notion induces a cognitive dissonance which impairs our rational and moral judgment.

In fact, we should perhaps renounce looking at the Hebrew Bible as a religious book, because the category of “religion” fails to account for its strong influence on non-religious Jews. As I have shown in “How Biblical is Zionism?” most Israeli leaders, from Ben-Gurion to Netanyahu, are non-religious, but their worldview is profoundly biblical nonetheless.

The biblical outlook is the essence of Jewishness, of which Nahum Goldman said that it is impossible to decide if it “consists first of belonging to a people or practicing a religion, or the two together.”i This ambivalence is strategic: it is used by organized Jewry to ward off criticism by qualifying it either as anti-Semitic or as an assault on religious freedom, depending on the circumstance.

We should not fall into this trap. What I am dealing here is biblical ideology. Whether this ideology should be categorized as religious is irrelevant. Any idea, any ideology may be criticized, no matter how sacred or ancient it is held to be. And since the first victims of a toxic idea are the men and women who believe it, they are the first who need to be enlightened on its toxicity.

The most appropriate category to understand both the Torah and Jewishness is not “religion” but “covenant” (berit in Hebrew, meaning also treaty or oath of allegiance). The foundation of Jewishness is the Mosaic Covenant. While religious Jews consider it a covenant of Jews with God, non-religious elite Jews such as members of the B’nai B’rith (“Children of the Covenant”) or the Alliance Israélite Universelle, regard it as simply a covenant between the Jews themselves. That is why Jewishness could so easily shift from being defined as an oath of allegiance to Yahweh, to being today indistinguishable from an oath of allegiance to Israel.

The Jealous One

Ancient Egyptians believed that “the gods are social beings, living and acting in ‘constellations,’” wrote German Egyptologist Jan Assmann.ii Yahweh, on the other hand, is “the Jealous One” (Exodus 34:14). He is a solitary god who manifests toward all other gods an implacable intolerance that characterizes him as a sociopath among his peers. Egyptians tried to explain this aggressive exclusiveness of Jewish religion by identifying the Jewish god with Seth, the evil god of the desert, famine, disorder and war, who had been banished by the council of the gods after having murdered his elder brother Osiris out of jealousy.iii

From the third millennium BCE onward, nations founded their diplomacy and foreign trade on their capacity to match their gods, thus acknowledging that they were living not only on the same earth, but under the same heavens. “Contracts with other states,” explains Jan Assmann, “had to be sealed by oath, and the gods to whom this oath was sworn had to be compatible.

Tables of divine equivalences were thus drawn up that eventually correlated up to six different pantheons.” But Yahweh could not be matched up with any other god; his priests forbade doing so. “Whereas polytheism, or rather ‘cosmotheism,’ rendered different cultures mutually transparent and compatible, the new counter-religion [Yahwism] blocked intercultural translatability.”iv And when Yahweh directed his people, “You will make no pact with them or with their gods” (Exodus 23:32), or “Do not utter the names of their gods, do not swear by them, do not serve them and do not bow down to them” (Joshua 23:7), he was in effect preventing any relationship of trust and fairness with the neighboring peoples.

Yahweh taught the Hebrews contempt for the deities of their neighbors, making them, in the eyes of these neighbors, a “race hated by the gods” (Tacitus), and therefore a threat to the cosmic and social order. For, wrote Tacitus (and that was long before the Talmud), the Jews show a “stubborn loyalty and ready benevolence towards brother Jews. But the rest of the world they confront with the hatred reserved for enemies” (Histories V.3–5).

Not other nation, in fact, treated its enemies as are said to have done the Hebrews in biblical times. The war code of Deuteronomy 20, which commands to exterminate “any living thing” in nearby conquered cities, and which was applied to the people of Jericho (Joshua 6:21) and to the Amalekites (1Samuel 15:3)—whereas among the Midianites were spared, as booty, the “young girls who have never slept with a man” (Numbers 31:18)—is unheard of in other nations’ archives.

The Assyrians, whose god Assur was no angel, did not slaughter the Israelites, but deported and resettled them, and the Babylonians did the same to the Judeans, who were even allowed to keep their tradition and their cohesion, and to prosper on the riverbanks of the Euphrates.

Yahweh is the most cruel of all national and military gods, even by the standards of biblical time. But Yahweh would have us believe that all other gods, not him, are abominations that need to be eradicated from the face of the earth. It all started with Assur. Yahweh’s jealousy really became pathological after the destruction of Israel by Assyria. In the oldest strata of the book of Isaiah, composed around that time, we hear Yahweh unable to cope with the frustration and humiliation, and consumed with the lust of vengeance:

“Yahweh Sabaoth has sworn it, ‘Yes, what I have planned will take place, what I have decided will be so: I shall break Assyria [Assur] in my country, I shall trample on him on my mountains. Then his yoke will slip off them, his burden will slip from their shoulders. This is the decision taken in defiance of the whole world; this, the hand outstretched in defiance of all nations. Once Yahweh Sabaoth has decided, who will stop him? Once he stretches out his hand, who can withdraw it?’” (14:24–27).

Listen to Yahweh raging after his defeat, and you hear a narcissistic megalomaniac:

“By my own self I swear it; what comes from my mouth is saving justice, it is an irrevocable word: All shall bend the knee to me, by me every tongue shall swear.” (Isaiah 45:23)

Children of the sociopathic god

In the Bible, the fate of the Jewish people is linked exclusively to the criterion of their obedience to Yahweh’s covenant, which includes prohibition of any alliance with the people inhabiting the promised land, and the destruction of their sanctuaries (Exodus 34:12-13). Every reversal of fortune is explained by a breach of contract on the part of the people, and serves to strengthen the submission of the people. When a hostile people attacks the Hebrews, it is never because of what the Hebrews did to them, but because of the Hebrews’ infidelity to Yahweh. In Kevin MacDonald’s words:

“The idea that Jewish suffering results from Jews straying from their own law occurs almost like a constant drumbeat throughout the Tanakh—a constant reminder that the persecution of Jews is not the result of their own behavior vis-à-vis Gentiles but rather the result of their behavior vis-à-vis God.”v

It is important to recognize that, in the Bible, the first victims of Yahweh’s violence are the Jews themselves. Deuteronomy orders the stoning of any parent, son, brother, or wife who “tries secretly to seduce you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ […] since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God.” Worse still, Yahweh orders the complete slaughter and burning of any town where such “scoundrels from your own stock […] have led their fellow-citizens astray, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods.’” For that is “what is right in the eyes of Yahweh your God” (Deuteronomy 13:7–19).

When some Israelites married Moabite women, who “invited them to the sacrifices of their gods,” “Yahweh said to Moses, ‘Take all the leaders of the people. Impale them facing the sun, for Yahweh’” (Numbers 25:1-4).

Those Jews who socialized with their neighbors rather than slaughtering them, who ate with them, who intermarried with them, and who, while doing all this, showed respect to their gods, are the dregs of the Jewish people, according to the Bible. This is how Jews have been taught to see things for a hundred generations (and Christians too, for that matter).

The biblical message is, in essence: “Do not socialize with idolaters (non-Jews), despise their traditions, and—if possible—exploit them, enslave them, and exterminate them. If, after that, they violate you, it is your fault: you have not obeyed scrupulously enough.” Such is the insane cognitive logic, internalized over 25 centuries, that encloses the Jews in the infernal dilemma of election and persecution.

This mode of thinking is based on the denial of the other’s humanity, which is indeed the essence of psychopathy. It does not occur to the psychopath to question the feelings of the other in order to try to understand his anger, because the other is fundamentally an object and not a person: his motivations are irrelevant. Never does the Jewish community take into account the grievances of its persecutors. Its elites forbid it.

To his chosen people, the biblical Yahweh is behaving as a psychopath preventing his only son from building nurturing bonds with others, in order to keep total control over him and make him an extension of himself. If such a psychopath father succeeds, his son will find no comfort, no substitute parent figure, and therefore no lever of resilience.

He will be trained to perceive all generous attention as a threat, any gesture of sympathy as an aggression. All around him he will learn to see only potential enemies. Yahweh convinces the Jews that all non-Jews who wish to be their friends are in fact their worst enemies; that any confidence in Gentiles leads only to disaster. The cultic and food prohibitions are there to prevent any socialization outside the tribe. “I shall set you apart from all these peoples, for you to be mine” (Leviticus 20:26).

Strict endogamy is the central command, and it is directly linked to Yahweh’s demand for exclusive worship. After the conquest of Canaan, it was forbidden to marry one’s children to the natives, “for your son would be seduced from following me into serving other gods; the wrath of Yahweh would blaze out against you and he would instantly destroy you” (Deuteronomy 7:3-4).

In the ancient world, marriage required the mutual adoption of each other’s gods, or at least their cohabitation in the same household. This does not pose a problem to the extent that the gods are social beings who accept each other. But the god of the Hebrews is a jealous god, who tolerates no other. Although most Zionists pretend to be atheists, the fundamental rule has not changed, because it is the essence of Jewishness. To intermarry is, according to Benzion Netanyahu, father of the Israeli prime minister, equivalent to “an act of suicide.”vi What better proof do we need that the Israeli elite think biblically?

We need a revisionist approach to biblical history. It portrays all other nations than Israel as repulsive idolaters. But they were not. The abominable Egyptians had built the first great civilization; they had introduced wheat growing to the world. They were a peaceful and highly spiritual people. So were the Canaanites. Whenever the biblical Israelites resisted Yahweh’s antisocial order to keep separate from them, they are called “stiff-necked.”

But should we not feel sympathy for those rebellious Jews, who tried to befriend their neighbors, and assimilate into the civilizations that hosted them? What about those Jews who resist Yahweh’s orders to kill men, women and children indiscriminately? How should we judge King Saul, who was deposed for sparing one man? If we insist that Yahweh is God, how can we criticize the Jews of today for their strong communitarian loyalty? They learned it from the Bible!

Are Yahweh and Molech the same?

A quick look at Yahweh’s unauthorized biography by biblical scholars will enlighten us on his personality. Long before he claimed to be the Creator of the Universe—that is, long before Genesis was written—Yahweh was a local and tribal god attached to Mound Sinai (also called Horeb), located in Midian, north-west Arabia, according to Exodus 2 (and not in Egypt, as the Roman church would locate it in the 4th century, despite the fact that even saint Paul knew that “Mount Sinai is in Arabia” Galatians 4:25).

This region is volcanic, with eruptions recorded up to the Middle Ages, and Mount Sinai is clearly a volcano: when Yahweh spoke to Moses on the mountain, others only perceived “peals of thunder and flashes of lightning, dense cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast. […] Mount Sinai was entirely wrapped in smoke, because Yahweh had descended on it in the form of fire.

The smoke rose like smoke from a furnace and the whole mountain shook violently. Louder and louder grew the trumpeting. Moses spoke, and God answered him in the thunder” (Exodus 19:16-19).vii Yahweh would never totally forget his volcanic background. He remained “a consuming fire” (Deuteronomy 4:24), especially in apocalyptic literature: in the Last Days, “glowing like a furnace,” Yahweh will “set ablaze” all evil-doers, “leaving them neither root nor branch” (Malachi 3:19).

Yahweh retained other primitive traits. He is known as the God who ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son, but then held back his hand and satisfied himself with a ram (Genesis 22). He has therefore been compared favorably with the Canaanite god Molech, to whom firstborn infants were said to be ritually sacrificed. But biblical scholars like Thomas Römer believe that Molech was in fact none other than Yahweh himself.

The name mlk, vocalized as Molech in the Masoretic text (the 9th century Tanakh which first introduced vowels into the Hebrew script), but Melech in the Greek Septuagint, is identical to the Hebrew word for “king”, applied more than fifty times to Yahweh and used to form such Hebrew names as Abimelech (“Melech is my father”) in Genesis 20:2 or Elimelech (“Melech is my god”) in Ruth 1:2.

Some psalms contain the acclamation Yahweh melech, “Yahweh is king,” still in use in Jewish religious songs. The Leviticus verses which prohibit infant sacrifice indirectly testify that they were done in Yahweh’s name and in Yahweh’s sanctuary: “You will not allow any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, thus profaning the name of your God. I am Yahweh” (18:21); “Anyone, be he Israelite or alien resident in Israel, who gives any of his children to Molech, will be put to death. […] for by giving a child of his to Molech he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name” (20:2-5). Jeremiah 7:30-31 confirms that “the people of Judah” continued “to burn their sons and daughters […] in the Temple that bears my name, to defile it.”

Although Yahweh declares it to be “a thing I never ordered, that had never entered my thoughts,” the very fact that a scribe wrote this indicates, according to Thomas Römer, that the people who sacrificed their children did claim it was required by Yahweh. It is only in the Persian era that human sacrifices became taboo, and that they were dissociated from the cult of Yahweh.viii Nevertheless, Israelites are portrayed as believing in their efficiency, for when the Moabites (Israelites’ relatives as descendants of Abraham’s nephew) were besieged by the Israelites, the king of Moab “took his eldest son who was to succeed him and offered him as a sacrifice on the city wall. Alarmed at this, the Israelites withdrew and retired to their own territory” (2 Kings 3:26-27).

Is the Mosaic Alliance satanic?

The Exodus story probably reflects a very ancient and sacred tradition regarding the origin of the Mosaic covenant. This covenant, or alliance, was sealed with a ritual sacrifice: altars were built at the foot of Mount Horeb, and oxen were killed as “communion sacrifices”. “Moses then took half the blood and put it into basins, and the other half he sprinkled on the altar.” After reading the “Book of the Covenant,” he “took the blood and sprinkled it over the people, saying, ‘This is the blood of the covenant which Yahweh has made with you, entailing all these stipulations’” (Exodus 24:4-8). As orientalist William Robertson Smith has shown, this manner of sealing in blood an alliance between tribes, or an oath of loyalty to a chief, was common in pre-Islamic Arabia.ix

The “Book of the Covenant” mentioned in Exodus refers to the complex code of laws that the Hebrews are to follow, which is detailed in the rest of the Torah (Pentateuch). Moses’s speeches in Deuteronomy give us the basic terms of the covenant. When reading it, we should keep in mind that, at this stage of the story, Yahweh is not believed to be God; he has only introduced himself to Moses as “the god of your ancestors” (Exodus 3:6).

“Today you have obtained this declaration from Yahweh: that he will be your god, but only if you follow his ways, keep his statutes, his commandments, his customs, and listen to his voice. And today Yahweh has obtained this declaration from you: that you will be his own people—as he has said—but only if you keep all his commandments; then for praise and renown and honour, he will raise you higher than every other nation he has made, and you will be a people consecrated to Yahweh, as he has promised.” (26:17-19)

“Yahweh will make you abound in possessions: in the offspring of your body, in the yield of your cattle and in the yield of your soil, in the country which he swore to your ancestors that he would give you. For you Yahweh will open his treasury of rain, the heavens, to give your country its rain at the right time, and to bless all your labours. You will make many nations your subjects, yet you will be subject to none.” (28:11-12)

What Yahweh promises is material prosperity, to the detriment of other peoples. On this point, the Tanakh is remarkably consistent: “You will suck the milk of nations, you will suck the wealth of kings” (Isaiah 60:16); “the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be heaped together: gold, silver, clothing, in vast quantity” (Zechariah 14:14). Spiritual rewards are not part of the bargain.

In fact, if we remember that Yahweh taught the Jews that they have no individual souls (read my article “Who the Hell is the Prince of this World?”), which is tantamount to claiming their souls for himself, we can say that the Mosaic covenant has the nature of a Faustian pact: Israel will obtain every worldly success in exchange of his soul: “you, out of all peoples, shall be my personal possession” (Exodus 19:5).

It is instructive to compare Yahweh’s promise to his people that they will rule over “every other nation in the world” if only they “faithfully obey the voice of Yahweh your God, by keeping and observing all his commandments” (Deuteronomy 28:1), with Satan’s bargain with Jesus in Matthew 4:8-10: “the devil showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. And he said to him, ‘I will give you all these, if you fall at my feet and do me homage.’”

At the least, it is hard to see what distinguishes Yahweh from Mammon (a personification of Wealth in Matthew 6:24), when he shows himself possessed by greed for precious metals: “I shall shake all the nations, and the treasures of all the nations will flow in, and I shall fill this Temple with glory, says Yahweh Sabaoth. Mine is the silver, mine the gold! Yahweh Sabaoth declares” (Haggai 2:7–8). This can be contrasted with Jesus’s admonition “store up treasures in heaven” (Matthew 6:20–21), which is totally foreign to Yahwism.

Yahweh against Baal

Yahweh alone is the true god, he says, whereas all other gods are demons. This is called blame shifting and is typical of psychopaths. We need to see through it and break the spell.

Let us take an unprejudiced look at Baal, Yahweh’s most formidable rival in the Bible. In the Books of Kings, Baal is presented as a foreign god imported by Jezebel, the Phoenician wife of Ahab (1Kings 16:31–32). But Baal was actually worshipped all over Syria long before Yahweh was imported from the semi-desert lands south of Judah.xBaal Shamem, the “Heavenly Lord,” was identified as the God of Heaven and his worship transcended ethnic boundaries.xi So it is ironic that Yahweh, the god of the Jews exclusively, should compete with him for the status of supreme God.

The Cycle of Elijah (from 1 Kings17 to 2 Kings 13) admits that the cult of Baal received royal support in the powerful kingdom of Israel under the Omrid dynasty (9th century BCE). The priests of Yahweh condemned Baal worship, and the biblical tale shows Elijah challenging 450 prophets of Baal to conjure lightning upon the burnt offering of a bull: “You must call on the name of your god, and I shall call on the name of Yahweh; the god who answers with fire, is God indeed.” The prophets of Baal exhaust themselves by shouting to their god, performing “their hobbling dance” and gashing themselves with swords and spears, with no result, while Yahweh sets fire to Elijah’s bull after Elijah has drenched it with twelve jars of water to spice up the challenge.

People then fall on their faces and scream “Yahweh is God!” Then they seize all the prophets of Baal, and Elijah slaughters them (1Kings 18). Thus was proven Yahweh’s superiority, in a showdown worthy of Hollywood. Elijah, however, had to flee retaliation and walked 40 days to Mount Horeb, where after a hurricane, an earthquake and a fire eruption, he received the word of Yahweh. He was to go back to Israel and anoint the general Jehu who, after a coup against the Omrid king in 842 BCE, would first promote the cult of Yahweh in the kingdom of Israel.

Baal was for the Syrians what Osiris was for the Egyptians: both god of fertility and lord of the dead. So Baal worship was associated with the afterlife and what is presented pejoratively as necromancy.xii Such religious beliefs and practices had also strong connections with the symbol of the serpent, associated to the ambivalent nature of death. We are told that the Israelites worshiped and offered sacrifices to a bronze serpent called Nehushtan, supposedly built by Moses, until the great king Hezekiah “smashed” it (2 Kings 18:4).

In Genesis, the serpent has undergone an inversion, as part of the campaign to demonize other religions: when the serpent offers to the first humans the means of “having their eyes opened and be like gods” (Genesis 3:5), it borrows the language of initiatory mysteries meant to acquire immortality; but the Yahwist scribes present him as a liar. As a result, the idea of trying to become like gods passes today as Luciferian, although the Greek fathers of the Christian Church stressed man’s potential for deification (theosis) under the logic that God became man so that man might become a god.xiii

The Queen of Heaven

Yahweh’s hatred for Baal is matched only by his repulsion for Asherah, the Great Goddess worshipped throughout the Mediterranean world under many names. Under the name of Ishtar, she was the “Queen of all the inhabited places, who keeps the people in order,” according to a Mesopotamian anthem.xiv Asherah and Ishtar were also identified to the Egyptian Isis, sister-spouse of Osiris, the “myrionyme” goddess (“of ten thousand names”), who calls herself the “Queen of Heaven” in Apuleius’s novel The Golden Ass, and declares: “My name, my divinity is adored throughout all the world in diverse manners, in variable customs and in many names.”xv More than Baal, the Queen of Heaven (a title which would later be inherited by Christ’s mother) was a truly universal deity, with no “chosen people”, and that is perhaps the deeper reason of Yahweh’s hatred towards her.

In chapter 44 of the Book of Jeremiah, Yahweh declared to the Judeans who had fled to Egypt, that the destruction of Jerusalem was his punishment for their “wicked deeds […] committed to provoke my anger, by going and offering incense and serving other gods” (44:2-3). Yahweh, said his spokesman Jeremiah, could not bear the smell of incense offered to other gods (what he liked is the “pleasing smell” of carbonized animal offerings called holocausts, as we know from Genesis 8:21). Yahweh threatens the Judeans exiles in Egypt with complete extermination if they persist.

Unimpressed, they responded to Jeremiah: “We have no intention of listening to the word you have just spoken to us in Yahweh’s name, but intend to go on doing all we have vowed to do: offering incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring libations in her honour, as we used to do, we and our ancestors, our kings and our chief men, in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem: we had food in plenty then, we lived well, we suffered no disasters. But since we gave up offering incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring libations in her honour, we have been destitute and have perished either by sword or by famine” (44:16-18).

Why not lend a friendly ear to those Judeans’ alternative interpretation of the fall of Jerusalem: it is not because they worshipped other gods than Yahweh that their plight started, but on the contrary because, since the reform of Josiah, they gave up worshipping the Queen of Heaven. For what reason, other than ancestral habit, should we believe Jeremiah and his Deuteronomistic scribes?

In fact, we know they were wrong. Josiah’s grandfather Manasseh is loathed for having done “what is displeasing to Yahweh, copying the disgusting practices of the nations whom Yahweh had dispossessed for the Israelites. He rebuilt the high places that his father Hezekiah had destroyed, he set up altars to Baal and made a sacred pole [an Ashera], as Ahab king of Israel had done, he worshiped the whole array of heaven and served it. […]

He built altars to the whole array of heaven in the two courts of the Temple of Yahweh” (2 Kings 21:2–5). But historians tell us today that Manasseh’s 55-year reign, when the Queen of Heaven was worshipped inside the Jerusalem temple, was a time of peace and prosperity.

It is Josiah, Manasseh’s grandson, who brought disaster to Judea, by removing from the temple “all the cult objects which had been made for Baal, Asherah and the whole array of heaven. […] He exterminated the spurious priests whom the kings of Judah had appointed and who offered sacrifice on the high places, in the towns of Judah and the neighborhood of Jerusalem; also those who offered sacrifice to Baal, to the sun, the moon, the constellations and the whole array of heaven” (2Kings 23:4–5). In Samaria, over which he regained partial control, Josiah ordered the sanctuary of Bethel destroyed, and “All the priests of the high places who were there he slaughtered on the altars, and on those altars burned human bones” (2 Kings 23:20). It was Josiah’s reign that was to provoke Babylonian anger and the ultimate destruction of Jerusalem.

The Jewish Question is the Biblical Question

According to the biblical paradigm, the Creator of the Universe became the God of Israel when he chose the Hebrews. But according to biblical scholarship, the historical process was the reverse: it is the god of Israel who became the Creator of the Universe. This process, which was only completed during the Persian period, was not so much due to a progress in metaphysical thought as to a political cunning. The book of Ezra betrays a calculated effort from the Levites to confuse, in the mind of the Persians, “the god of Israel who resides in Jerusalem” (7:12–15) with the “God of heaven” whom the Persians also called Ahura Mazda, with the aim of obtaining the support of the Persian king for their theocratic project in Palestine.

In Ezra, only the kings of Persia, in the various edicts attributed to them, recognize Yahweh as “the God of Heaven,” while in the rest of the text, Yahweh is merely “the god of Israel”. The same can be observed in the book of Daniel, when Nebuchadnezzar, impressed by the gifts of Daniel’s oracle, prostrates himself and exclaims: “Your god is indeed the God of gods, the Master of kings” (Daniel 2:47). Such passages give away, for those willing to see it, the deepest secret of Judaism, which is the key to understanding the relationship of Judaism to universalism: Yahweh is really the god of the Jews, while Gentiles are led to believe that he is the supreme and only God. “In the heart of any pious Jew, God is a Jew,” confirms Maurice Samuel in You Gentiles(1924).xvi

This secret is not a fully conscious thought for most Jews, it is more like a family secret running unconsciously through generations. Nevertheless, it is the binding force of the Jewish people, and I am reminded of Carl Jung’s remark that secrets “are of vital importance on the primitive level, for the shared secret serves as a cement binding the tribe together. Secrets on the tribal level constitute a helpful compensation for lack of cohesion in the individual personality.”xvii

As he usurped the majesty of the Heavenly Father of all mankind, Yahweh in no way lost his character as a military god bent on looting and slaughtering the enemies of his only chosen people. Against the Babylonians, his sword is expected to “devour until gorged, until drunk with their blood” (Jeremiah 46:10). Against the Edomites, “it is greasy with fat” (Isaiah 34:6).

If Yahweh had remained a tribal god from the desert, he would simply be recognized as particularly primitive and cruel, perhaps a demon escaped from hell though an Arabian volcano. But his successful claim to be honored as the true and only God is the biggest sham in human history, and a civilizational disaster of incomparable magnitude.

It is ultimately responsible for the spread of atheism in the West. As long as Christians were discouraged from reading the Old Testament, they were not much disturbed by it. As soon as it became widely available, it started corroding Christianity. Philosophers like Voltaire had an easy job denigrating Christianity by quoting the Old Testament: “Never was common sense attacked with so much indecency and fury” (Sermon of the Fifty). Rather without God than with such a God, became the logical and morally decent thinking.

“The finest trick of the devil, Charles Baudelaire wrote, is to persuade you that he does not exist” (Paris Spleen). Perhaps he was mistaken. His finest trick, I believe, is to convince the world that he is God.


i Nahum Goldmann, Le Paradoxe juif. Conversations en français avec Léon Abramowicz, Stock, 1976 (archive.org), p. 9.

ii Jan Assmann, Of God and Gods: Egypt, Israel, and the Rise of Monotheism, University of Wisconsin Press, 2008, p. 47.

iii According to an Egyptian legend recorded by Plutarch (Isis and Osiris), Seth wandered in Palestine where he fathered two sons, Hierosolymos and Youdaios, that is, “Jerusalem” and “Judah”. Tacitus and other historians also mention rumors that the Jerusalem Temple harbored a golden donkey’s head, the donkey being the symbol of Seth.

iv Jan Assmann, Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism, Harvard University Press, 1998, p. 3.

v Kevin MacDonald, Separation and Its Discontents: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Anti-Semitism, Praeger, 1998, kindle 2013, e. 6187–89.

vi Benzion Netanyahu, The Founding Fathers of Zionism (1938)Balfour Books, 2012k. 2203–7.

vii The volcanic nature of Mount Sinai and its location in Arabia were first argued by Charles Beke in Mount Sinai a Volcano (1873) and in Sinai in Arabia and of Midian(1878). It is today largely accepted by biblical scholars, and has been popularized in books and films by adventurers such as Bob Cornuke and Larry Williams. Read also Howard Blum The Gold of Exodus: The Discovery of the True Mount Sinai, Simon & Schuster, 1998.

viii Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2015. I read the original French version, L’Invention de Dieu, Seuil, 2017, pp. 181-183.

ix William Robertson Smith, Lectures on the Religion of the Semites: The Fundametal Institutions, A&C Black, 3rd ed., 1927, p. 314, quoted in Thomas Römer, L’Invention de Dieu, op. cit., p. 112.

x Thomas Römer, L’invention de Dieu, op; cit., pp. 71-93.

xi Norman Habel, Yahweh Versus Baal: A Conflict of Religious Cultures, Bookman Associates, 1964, p. 41.

xii Klass Spronk, Beatific Afterlife in Ancient Israel and in the Ancient Near East, Verlag Butzon & Bercker, 1986, pp. 344–345.

xiii John Meyendorff, Byzantine Theology: Historical Trends and Doctrinal Themes, Fordham University Press, 1974.

xiv Gérard Chaliand, Les Voix du Sacré, Robert Laffont, 1992, p. 32.

xv Françoise Dunand, Isis, mère des dieux, Actes Sud, 2008, p. 232.

xvi Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, New York, 1924 (archive.org), pp. 74–75.

xvii Carl Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflexions, Pantheon Books, 1963, p. 342.


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RT Rider
RT Rider
July 24, 2018 6:29 pm

But then, the Old Testament can also be viewed as an historical document, with its books and all prophesies being fulfilled by the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Much of the Old Testament does in fact, show God’s displeasure with the disobedience of the Jews, and His retribution. Some say that God’s covenant with the Jews still holds, but it seems to me that the teachings of Christ contradicts that – the concept of God choosing a people, over all others.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  RT Rider
July 24, 2018 6:52 pm

So you judge God and his intentions and plans?

Not the wisest thing to be doing, but as they say “fools rush in”.

RT Rider
RT Rider
  Anonymous
July 24, 2018 7:22 pm

I’m not judging anything – just making some observations – but, obviously, you’re plugged in, so why not let us know what God’s intentions and plans are. But lets not be fools rushing in, just in case you don’t know.

AlphaDelta
AlphaDelta
  RT Rider
July 25, 2018 7:56 am

It’s called the “Idiom of Permission”, a figure of speech used in the bible. Acts of evil attributed to God are merely the application of his judgement. Essentially, those outside of his protection are susceptible to sudden catastrophe. That was the OT world. Since the day of pentecost, the works that Jesus did, we can do, and greater.

Zara, and others, are skeptics, and their world view should be considered as such, certainly not authoritative.

On the other hand, just watched a documentary, When the Moors Ruled in Europe, on prime video. Muslims bridged the gap between the dark ages and the Renaissance. History hasn’t treated them kindly, but the devil didn’t need them any more, he had the Khazars. Now, that’s real history. Or, you can listen to Zara. Your choice.

Pip
Pip
  RT Rider
March 2, 2022 9:21 am

What are you “smoking”?
THE SPAWN OF SATAN

Jesus of Nazareth asks Talmudic Jews:
Why is my language not clear to you Talmudic Jews?
It’s because you are unable to hear what I say.
YOU BELONG TO YOUR FATHER, the DEVIL, and you want to carry out YOUR FATHER’S desires.
The reason you do not hear is that YOU DO NOT BELONG TO GOD.”

He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he lies, he speaks his NATIVE LANGUAGE, for he is a LIAR and THE FATHER OF LIES.
Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?
If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
Whoever belongs to God hears what God says.
The reason you do not hear is that YOU DO NOT BELONG TO GOD.”
John 8:43-47

Gilnut
Gilnut
July 24, 2018 6:40 pm

Excellent, well written and referenced article! Much to re-read and think upon.

While I’m no theologian, I do read extensively. It’s always been my personal theory that both Christianity and Islam were “engineered offshoots” of Judaism. If you read closely you will see how these religions and their texts tie back to Judaism, specifically in Christianity through the Old Testament. I believe this was done in order to exert control over a wider and more diverse population that would/could not become Jewish. Jews tie religion to ethnicity, and if you don’t think so just ask a convert to Judaism, they are not considered “real Jews” (i.e. Gentiles). This worked out fine for the Christians, who accepted their subservient role to Judaism, but kind of backfired with Islam who did NOT accept their subservient role.

Religion is a form of control that has morphed into something called government. When human beings understand this, we will all be much better off. (Note: I”m not atheist, just anti-religious…whatever that means.)

We, as human beings, continue our long history of killing each other over something that is impossible to prove. That being “my God(s) is(are) the true God(s)”. Sad

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
  Gilnut
July 25, 2018 12:25 am

Jesus wasn’t trying to engineer anything. You either believe that he performed miracles and raised the dead or you don’t. If anything, his teaching were a full frontal assault on Judaism of that day, continuing to this time. Given that the apostles had steady jobs before they decided to follow him and be executed, clearly something happened.

Sam Fox
Sam Fox
  JR Wirth
July 25, 2018 4:23 pm

JR Wirth, something did happen. Acts chapter 2 happened. Yeshua’s followers were transformed by Elohim’s Holy Spirit, the Spirit Yeshua said He would send in His place & would be in them. These men & women laid their lives, families, futures, livelihoods & all they owned on the line by spreading the message of the risen Christ/Messiah. They KNEW that risk & took it anyway!

Why would they risk everything by knowingly spreading the word of a dead man? These people were in a place to know that either Yeshua was still really dead or if as they proclaimed, He was risen from death as the sacrifice for the sin of mankind. Yeshua, they proclaimed, was raised from death because of His own personal sinless perfection & if people would receive Messiah into their lives they could also have the witness of the reality & presence of Elohim, the I AM, within their innermost beings.

This article is fraught with inaccuracies, human based conclusions/ mischaracterizations & twisted statements. This jive looks to be inspired by the devil. It is VERY insidious!

One thing I KNOW beyond any inner or outer doubts: When I asked Jesus to forgive my sin & come into my life, HE DID! HE, by the same Holy Spirit as in Acts 2, opened my awareness to the fact that my sin was now forgiven & His Spirit & presence was now in my being & that the Word of Jesus Christ is true.

Those who are 100% committed to Christ know that I speak the truth. We have experienced the love of God the Father because Yeshua died for us & proved His words are true regarding His presence in us when we experienced Him for ourselves.

The article was written by someone on the outside vainly trying to look in. Doesn’t work that way. If you want to see ‘in’, you have to COME IN, so to speak. This you do by repenting of your sin & asking for the forgiveness of Elohim as provided by & in Messiah, on your own. If you don’t mean real business & are not willing to make a total commitment to Christ, nothing will happen.

SamFox

bcm
bcm
  Gilnut
November 10, 2020 5:19 pm

” I believe this was done in order to exert control over a wider and more diverse population”
That is just the dumbest thing I have read ever! NO Government anywhere and at anytime have ever been able to control ANY Christian in fact Governments everywhere have tryed to ban Christians because they cant control them! WOW!

D.
D.
July 24, 2018 6:44 pm

God does not have both the Old and the New Covenants being enforced at the same time. He only has one. The New. And contrary to what many would have you believe, He’s not married to His bride the Church Assembly on the one hand while having an affair with his whore mistress the modern state of Israel on the other. Modern-day Israel is comprised of Gentile converted Khazars, Sephardics and Samaritans who are nothing more than Japhetites, Hittites, Edomites and Asiatics not of the original Abrahamics – with whom God had the Old Covenant, now null and void, as per the extermination in 70 AD – and therefore it is a state that has nothing to do with God’s word in the Bible.

Mark
Mark
  D.
July 24, 2018 8:00 pm

D,

As best as I can figure these are 5 classifications of Jews but there is only one true line as you inferred. No expert on what is below…just starting to dig into: Who are the real Jews? As related to your post.

1. Ashkenazi
2. Edomites
3. Sephardi
4. Yiddish
5. Israelite (Of the original Abrahamic line)

Some sources:
1. Who are the Ashkenazi Jews? http://lasttrumpet.org/ashkenazi.htm

2. Who are the Edomites? https://www.gotquestions.org/Edomites.html

3. What’s the difference between Israeli, Yiddish, Sephardi, and Ashkenazi Jews?
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-Israeli-Yiddish-Sephardi-and-Ashkenazi-Jews

4. Jesus Was An Israelite: What Is The Difference Between An Israelite (original Abrahamic) & A Jew?
http://www.rense.com/general96/JesusIsraelite.html

I also found this interesting on the “Jewish” question.

In the Jewish exodus back to Israel the Edomites take our gold with them:

In the Jewish exodus back to Israel the Edomites take our gold with them.

In relation to Revelation (the ultimate 4th Turning) I have recently wondered if one of the reasons 2/3rds of Israel is wiped out is because they are the Ashkenazi, Edomites, Sephardi and Yiddish currently dominating Israel and the 1/3rd left are from the Abrahamic line?

Zechariah 13:7-9 7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones. 8 In the whole land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. 9 This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.'”

grace country pastor: interested in your Biblical thoughts/interpretations as well?

Jack Lovett
Jack Lovett
  Mark
July 24, 2018 9:59 pm

How do the Kazarians fit into this?

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Mark
July 25, 2018 12:17 pm

Mark, I honestly have little insight as to the different natures of different types of Jews. Not trying to sound snarky, but I really don’t care either. In this dispensation of free grace, there is no Jew, there is no Gentile. God is not dealing with mankind in terms of their national or religious/traditional origin.

Gal 3:28… “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

In this understanding is where God wants us to be today. In “time past” God did deal with the world in terms of Jew/Gentile. In the “ages to come” He will once again. So why the change? Why is this (but now!) time period different?

It boils down to the two realms that God created in the beginning; heaven and earth. Both realms are in a fallen condition. Heaven because satan fell, earth because Adam fell. Both need to be redeemed back to God in Christ. The mechanism by which God restores the earth is Israel via the promises made to them. The heavens are redeemed by the church which is His body, believers today… neither Jew nor Gentile. This centers around the mystery revealed to Paul alone. There “was” prophesy. There “is” mystery. There “will be” prophesy again. This is “rightly dividing” the scriptures in a nutshell as Paul explains in:

2 Tim 2:15… “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

Most Christians wrongly divide the Bible between the old and new testaments. Most believe the OT was for the Jews and the NT for “us” or all who believe. Nope… Both the OT and the NT are specifically directed at the nation Israel. Believers today are not under “testament or covenant” agreements with the Lord. Believers today are offered free grace through faith in His redeeming blood.

I wrote more about this here if you care to explore further…

Are Believers Today New Testament Christians?

This is usually also the place where I am called heretic… so beware 😉

I try to just let the words say what they say and mean what they say; not ascribe meaning to them based upon my previous religious beliefs or desires. My understanding of the scriptures has been magnified greatly in so doing.

grace and peace…

Mark
Mark
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 8:23 pm

grace country pastor,

Where I was going with my post in relation to D’s was narrowly focused on the:
1. Ashkenazi
2. Edomites
3. Sephardi
4. Yiddish

As I have been researching them in relation to who are the true Jews? I feel true Jews are those from the Abrahamic line and I suspect 1 through 4 are impostors.

I’m interested in the history of these four people groups. I’m just getting started – don’t claim to be an expert but I’ll figure it out eventually. The controversial connections between them and NWO elites, especially the Banksters who I believe are demonically evil and have been international Deep State puppet masters for centuries intrigue me.

So that was my narrow focus.

I also wondered if Zechariah 13:7-9 7 was God sifting them out in the 66th book? It was just a thought, I had never read that anywhere.

Now the Edomites are mentioned quite a bit in prophecy that I believe is coming up soon but I won’t get into that.

I’m a full Bible reader/Believer, think Replacement Theology is a blind farce, the Prosperity Gospel is ludicrous and self condemning and:

Gal 3:28… “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Means it doesn’t matter what people group you hail from if you accept the free gift of Christ’s sacrifice on your behalf. Its that simple. I came to Him like a child at 43.

I’ll read your link later…and comment, have to put the chickens up!

Thanks for answering!

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Mark
July 26, 2018 10:51 am

You have chickens too…? 🙂

“I’m interested in the history of these four people groups. I’m just getting started – don’t claim to be an expert but I’ll figure it out eventually. The controversial connections between them and NWO elites, especially the Banksters who I believe are demonically evil and have been international Deep State puppet masters for centuries intrigue me.”

When you come up with something concrete, share it. As I said, I have little understanding of the differing Jews within Jew groups but I absolutely understand their connections with deep state banking systems and why they are connected. The “follow the money” mantra applies most significantly here.

1 Tim 6:10… “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

“I also wondered if Zechariah 13:7-9 7 was God sifting them out in the 66th book? It was just a thought, I had never read that anywhere.”

I the key verse for me in the Zechariah 13 is 6. Such a moment when some of them come to realize just what it was they did; who it was they killed. And that ALL OF IT was written down had they only read and believed it… It is clear that most of them will still refuse to acknowledge their lack of faith, preferring rather their own human understanding and taking upon themselves the consequences of such a choice. A sifting indeed which the 66’th book outlines in graphic detail. Those who come through such fire will be cleansed that they may take their place in the Kingdom. Jesus explains it simply to them:

Mat 24:13… “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

Clearly we are not the target of that verse as we are saved by grace through faith in His shed blood.

“I’m a full Bible reader/Believer, think Replacement Theology is a blind farce, the Prosperity Gospel is ludicrous and self condemning…”

Amen and amen.

“… Gal 3:28… Means it doesn’t matter what people group you hail from if you accept the free gift of Christ’s sacrifice on your behalf. Its that simple. I came to Him like a child at 43.”

The simplicity of the gift is so beautiful and the logical sense it makes stunningly profound. I was 47 when I figured it out. At the end of myself. After many years of confusion, even after getting saved, I’ve arrived at the mid-Acts Pauline dispensational position. With it, the Bible has become a completely, mind blowingly, open and easy to understand book. And the world an upside down mess with only one true hope.

Good to know you brother!

Mark
Mark
  grace country pastor
July 26, 2018 11:55 am

grace country pastor,

Yep…10 layers and one busy happy stud. Big into the whole rural Homestead, Self Sufficiency, modest working farm, Prepper, lifestyle…a lifelong dream I went into full tilt boggy at 62…seven years into it and living super sized and more productive every year. Its a robust lifestyle and keeps me at my fighting weight.

I’m also one of those the Petulant One was referring to off the cuff about clinging to his Bible and Guns.

I will pass on what I conclude on the different people groups…its just one of the many little side investigations I’m interested in. The links I put in are a good start.

I don’t usually get many down votes unless I get into Bible Prophecy, there defiantly are divisions on it here…I love and thoroughly enjoy this site and the comments/commentators as much as the posts and read it daily. My curiosity about the references to the Jews above (real or memorex) are tied into my curiosity about modern day (prophecy related) Israel, following the international Money Changers and their demonic (seemingly strong Ashkenazi interconnection) and Bible prophecy that I believe is coming within my/my child’s/my grandchild’s life time.

I’m also fascinated by the secular 4th Turning, the Biblical Rapture, Tribulation, the various views on the Rapture’s timing and Prophecy scripture from both the OT & NT.

On Prophecy been reading a lot of Bill Salus’ books. He has my attention:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/bill-salus/298453/?mkwid=s|dc&pcrid=263432259788&pkw=&pmt=b&plc=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrYzmlYy93AIVl7rACh39EgoOEAEYASAAEgJQLPD_BwE

And this Christian blog. He is tart and direct and no nonsense with strong scripture reference to his opinions:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/bill-salus/298453/?mkwid=s|dc&pcrid=263432259788&pkw=&pmt=b&plc=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrYzmlYy93AIVl7rACh39EgoOEAEYASAAEgJQLPD_BwE

Good gosh the match between the unfolding secular 4th turning, geopolitical events and Bible prophecy is amazing!

I intend to stand strong for Christ, my Family/Church/Neighbors and the Constitution in that order and not just with lip service.

I’m a praise the Lord and pass the ammo kind of guy.

Good to know you too!

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Mark
July 26, 2018 2:56 pm

We have seven acres in McKinney Texas that my wife and I are micro-farming. About 60 layers, one very happy stud, 2 Brangus cows that give us calves and a large veggie garden. Things are going well with many lessons learned along the way. It’s a wonderful way to prepare for whatever comes our way as the lifestyle itself is very satisfying. Both of us cling to the same things you do.

“I don’t usually get many down votes unless I get into Bible Prophecy, there defiantly are divisions on it here…I love and thoroughly enjoy this site and the comments/commentators as much as the posts and read it daily.”

I’ve learned a bunch since I’ve been here. It is a very informative site with some excellent posters. I share lots of articles among friends. Seems I’ve developed a little fan club along the way… 😉 Not that they matter but I get the down votes as well, even to my last reply written specifically to you. Go figure. I’ll up vote you when I see ya!

You’re certainly onto something by tying the money changers of 2,000 years ago to the money changers of today. Nothing has changed. I too believe the situation is as real as the day is long. Scripture supports the same. The 4’th turning seems to be the natural cycle of things… nothing new under the sun. But here it is again. Can be very upsetting especially when many family members simply refuse to see it even as a possibility. All we can do is plan to the best of our abilities while trying to live the lives God would have us live.

Rom 12:18… “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”

I’m glad that “if” is there. While it is my view that we are not appointed unto wrath (great tribulation) that does not mean things won’t get real sporty before the Lord calls His ambassadors home. May He soon…

“I intend to stand strong for Christ, my Family/Church/Neighbors and the Constitution in that order and not just with lip service. I’m a praise the Lord and pass the ammo kind of guy.”

Amen sir, and I the same. I will look into the links you’ve provided. Sure to see you around!

Mark
Mark
  Mark
July 26, 2018 8:05 pm

grace country pastor,

“I’m glad that “if” is there. While it is my view that we are not appointed unto wrath (great tribulation) that does not mean things won’t get real sporty before the Lord calls His ambassadors home. May He soon…

This is from 2011 and supports your statement above. He wrote it 7 years ago but it was prophetic, every pun intended.

Christians will be caught unaware because they gave up premillennialism.

llpoh
llpoh
  D.
July 24, 2018 9:53 pm

D – your ignorance knows no bounds.

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18)”

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
  llpoh
July 25, 2018 12:28 am

And it was fulfilled….the end.

llpoh
llpoh
  llpoh
July 25, 2018 8:14 pm

Someone down voted the Holy Bible!

They will burn in hell.

John
John
July 24, 2018 6:49 pm

“The creed which was given force of daily law in Judah in 458 BC was then and still is unique in the world… The masters of Judah, the Levites, as they drew up their Law also took what they could use from the inheritance of other peoples… They began with the ‘one just God’ of all men…and in the course of five books of their written Law turned him into the racial, bargaining Jehovah who promised territory, treasure, blood and power over others in return for a ritual of sacrifice…”

“The political and military operations of two world wars have been diverted to promote the Zionist ambition and the life and treasure of the West have been poured out in support of it. Forty years of continuous bloodshed in Palestine have obviously been but the prelude to what is yet to come there.
Any third world war may begin and spread outward from Palestine, and if one were to start elsewhere it would in its course foreseeably revolve around and turn on the ambition of Zion, which will not be fulfilled until a much greater area in the Middle East has been conquered, ‘other Gods’ have been thrown down, and ‘all nations’ have been enslaved.”

From “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed (1956)

http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=ControZion

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
July 24, 2018 6:56 pm

Wow… I have no idea where to even begin to attempt to deconstruct such monumental errors in thinking. It seems the “bible” scholars have spoken to the point that there is no point in speaking back. Sad to say, it just ain’t worth trying this time around.

The single truth spoken (and clearly demonstrated) is in regards to the devil convincing the world that he is god. What a job he has done. Have a nice day.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  grace country pastor
July 24, 2018 7:39 pm

Who could ever expect a pastor to be able to comment on a religion which is at the same time, the basis for his own belief system, and alternatively in complete opposition to his belief system. If you can’t comment, is it because you don’t know enough or you aren’t smart enough.

This is a monumental undertaking. It is well documented. It is well presented. And it has nothing to do with your puny religion. Have a nice day.

BobbiVilla
BobbiVilla
  grace country pastor
July 24, 2018 8:28 pm

Cheer up !
1 Cor.1:18¶For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20¶Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Praise to the only true and living God from everlasting !

diogenes
diogenes
  Zarathustra
July 25, 2018 8:20 am

As a gnostic, I say yes Yahweh ( Yaldabaoth, Lord Archon) is evil, and so are the people who made a convenant with this ET (archon). Just read the old testament to discover the character of this pissed off storm god. The gnostics were destroyed because they spoke the truth ,”Your god is insane”. Interesting to note that during the reign of the Bolsheviks 47,281 churches and 1,010 monasteries were destroyed and the number of Jewish temples destroyed – O.

The Aeon Sophia’s correction is coming!

Sam Fox
Sam Fox
  BobbiVilla
July 25, 2018 4:46 pm

BobbiV, RIGHT ON!!

SamFox

Old Krank
Old Krank
  grace country pastor
July 24, 2018 10:06 pm

One would think that a true minister of Christ would have more commentary than something that amounts to a lengthy “whatever, dude – later” type of statement.

If you have the knowledge and ability to refute Zara’s well-written treatise on the subject, please enlighten us as to where his research and conclusions are in error – and, please, do so without resorting to ‘faith’, ‘belief’, or other statements not based in verifiable writings or acknowledged facts.

Take all the time you require; I’m sure Admin will acquiesce to publishing your riposte when you’re ready.

Saint RiNS the Benevolent, Son of Odin
Saint RiNS the Benevolent, Son of Odin
  Old Krank
July 25, 2018 7:49 am

It is quite amusing to watch someone who professes to be a Pastor slinking away instead of Defending his Creator. He ain’t living up to his billing as a Foot Soldier for Christ, he’s being a surrender Monkey instead of a Shit Monkee…

I wonder if he is French

Don’t be a Pussy Pastor. You need to defend your Idol.

The article is well reference piece. Uses the OT effectively to construct a Portrait of a Gawd who is..

Vain
Petty
Vindictive
and most importantly
Unloving

One moar thing down below, JR Wirth quotes Leviticus a humdinger of a Book if ever there was one. Gotta ask. Been told that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. If so it must have been a slow day in Paradise if the Big Guy needed to take time splain how to jerk off correctly.

The Bible. The Book that nevah stops giving

Here’s a newsflash to all the Thumpers
If you are getting cum on yerself whilst fapping…
YOU AINT DOING IT RIGHT!

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Old Krank
July 25, 2018 11:24 am

Hey Krank, explain the inner workings of a circa 1970 Dodge 426 Hemi IC engine to me in all its intricacy and detail, without using the manual supplied by the manufacturer or their listed specifications. Take your time, make it good. Oh, and by the way, I don’t even believe that IC engines exist. They are a lie created by the globalist bankers to keep us all under the impression that we are free to move about the country. While you’re at it, prove to me the sky is blue.

Time well spent? Go ahead, say yes…

This is not a matter of Bible exegesis. If it were, I’d gladly and enthusiastically be all over it, as it supposes the hearer has real interest in the matter. This is a matter of outright disbelief. Zarathustra is become the rebellious Jew he excoriates. There is no truth in his supposition that God is a monster (should evil NOT be destroyed?); there is only wanton rebellion against his Creator. I don’t argue with wanton rebellion. It wastes my time.

God in flesh to His wantonly rebellious chosen nation…

John 8:44… “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

When God in flesh returns he is going to utterly destroy those whose father is the devil. He ain’t gonna argue with wanton rebellion either. Who is your father Krank?

What could anything I say matter to a wantonly rebellious man? God’s Words don’t matter to him! Pearls, swine and all…

Why comment at all? It depresses me to see such blatant disregard for God and His Word and I see it everywhere. Read IT (not what men have written about IT) and you’ll see IT just don’t jive with the subject article. As a relative noob I guess I expected better from my fellow travelers on TBP… my error. Lesson learned. Notes taken. Moving forward. More than anything I enjoy speaking to other believers about it. Zarathustra didn’t even quote it in his screed. He used some perverted Westcott and Hort version of “scripture” to make his nonsensical, faithless points (there’s 10 lengthy articles right there).

Heb 11:6… “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Epic fail Krank… it ain’t possible to move from here without a spark of faith with which to ignite a meaningful fire. “God is a psychopath.” Thus spake Zarathustra.

I reiterate… “I have no idea where to even begin to attempt to deconstruct such monumental errors in thinking.” Addendum… “If this is Zarathustra’s honest belief, it ain’t worth trying.” There’s more likely success in explaining advanced calculus to an 85 IQ moran.

We all come to the end of ourselves some day. May it be while we still have time to see and accept the truth of our fallen human condition. That prayer stands for every unsaved person reading these words. I thank God my Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit that I did.

You got real Bible questions? I’m all ears and my time is yours. Otherwise, nothing but sound and fury signifying nothing. And ain’t that truly sad…

Rom 6:26… “To declare, I say, at this time HIS righteousness: that HE might be Just, and the Justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

Stucky
Stucky
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 12:33 pm

“Zarathustra is become the rebellious Jew he excoriates. …. What could anything I say matter to a wantonly rebellious man? ” ———— Pastor With Zero Grace

I have avoided interaction with you. I know your type all to well, and so I have zero interest in your views …. so, I basically just quick scan your rants, if at all ….. and pretty much KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT.

Too bad you can’t do the same thing. I am sick and tired of your know-it-all attitude of superiority …. that you feel the constant need to correct all those who don’t “rightly divide” the Bible … and your passive-aggressive bullshit.

You call Zara a “rebellious jew” …. oh, wait, “wantonly” rebellious. Zara’s been here practically from the beginning, and a valued and respected poster. You’ve been here, what, a few weeks? You don’t know jack-shit about Zara, or (imho) much about anything else. Hey, smart guy, you ought to use you vast Bible knowledge and brush up on what the NT teaches about judging others.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 1:01 pm

“Hey, smart guy, you ought to use you vast Bible knowledge and brush up on what the NT teaches about judging others.”

1 Cor 2:15… “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”

“I have avoided interaction with you.”

Bring it then. Use scripture.

Proverbs 27:17… “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”

Can’t say your very friendly though.

diogenes
diogenes
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 1:54 pm

“Bring it then. Use scripture.”
Fuck scripture! Why don’t you use your own words? You quote fucking bullshit from the bible, and then act like you’re a genius. Quoting some old writings from yaldabaoth asslicking Joooish dumbfucks doesn’t hold water in my book. Also, after reading your boring bullshit, You sound like a Paulinian, not a Christian.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  diogenes
July 25, 2018 3:43 pm

“Also, after reading your boring bullshit, You sound like a Paulinian, not a Christian.”

That’s likely the most perceptive thing I’ve seen you write diogenes. Indeed, I worship Christ but follow Paul.

1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

“Fuck scripture! Why don’t you use your own words?”

Because I wouldn’t expect anyone to listen to me. Why would they when God is available?

“You quote fucking bullshit from the bible, and then act like you’re a genius.”

You call it bullshit. I call it, not myself, genius. Actually, I call it genius beyond genius. Y’all seem to dislike me not because you have any idea who I am or where I come from, but for the reason that I use scripture with authority. “As if” it’s the truth. Which of course it is. That scripture rubs a few of you the wrong way IN SUCH A BIG WAY tells me a whole bunch…

Heb 4:12… “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

Truth hurts don’t it? (You should let it.) That old book reads a man and takes that man apart piece by piece while he reads it. That’s what you’re afraid of. Absolute truth outside of yourselves. Accountability to a Creator. Being judged. Y’all are the ones who called me a pussy and a coward. What a joke! What’s the matter, can’t take it when the pussy pushes back? Judging by the multi-faceted hysterical reaction it seems not.

“Quoting some old writings from yaldabaoth asslicking Joooish dumbfucks doesn’t hold water in my book.”

Does it look to you like I give a shit what holds water in your book diogenes? All of us here have been lied to about everything in this world. That knowledge puts us all on the same boat. I found the one true thing in it. Others have too, though we are altogether too few and far between thanks to the adversary. You are welcome to keep stumbling around in the dark, REFUSING TO SEE, but you will not get in my way as I attempt to shine some light where there is none for those who care to see. Of course Admin can toss my ass outta here whenever he likes…

You might know some facts, very likely some that I don’t know yet, I’m no genius; but you will never know the “why” of what’s happening in the world without King James scripture. That I do know.

bcm
bcm
  diogenes
November 10, 2020 5:02 pm

WOW, so full of hate and ignorance! SAD. Must be a college student…

diogenes
diogenes
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 3:55 pm

Luke 17:34 King James Version (KJV)
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Which one was taken the “top” or the “bottom”

Sam Fox
Sam Fox
  diogenes
July 25, 2018 5:09 pm

Grace Coutry, this is what Yeshua Himself said of those who reject Elohim, His Risen Son’s message & the salvation He brought to earth’s inhabitants.

From John 3:18-20–Jesus in His own words, copied from BibleGateWay using the Amplified Bible Classic translation:
18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ’s name.]

19 The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil.

20 For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved.

Messiah saw all these rejections coming & He gave the real reasoning behind their rejection of Him.

SamFox

Stucky
Stucky
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 12:35 pm

“It depresses me to see such blatant disregard for God and His Word”
———- Pastor No Grace

The solution is easy. Fuck off and leave.

That’s a Word from Da Lord.

A vampire in the sun
A vampire in the sun
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 1:06 pm

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 2:28 pm
Stucky
Stucky
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 12:18 pm

Good riddance. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 12:54 pm

False hope Stucky, you read me wrong yet again.

There are some excellent, clear thinking and compassionate human beings here I’d like to read more of. The quality of writing is most often outstanding above and below the comment line.

peace out, chin up…

RiNS
RiNS
  grace country pastor
July 25, 2018 6:30 pm

He is like a bad case of crabs Stucky. No matter how hard you try he aint going away…What I do find amusing is txhe Pastor dances around the fact that OT is offside. Cuz it is in so many ways. Hardly a surprise for me that he is a Paulie even though he still takes it in the ass from Moses when nobody is looking.

And cums as no shock that Country boy Reverend is salty when he is forced to swallow that shitty cock.

Stucky
Stucky
  RiNS
July 25, 2018 7:03 pm

He’s worse than crabs … you can actually get rid of crabs.

Like you, I read posts via the Dashboard. It’s faster, easier, and way more efficient. First thing I do is go to the right side to see the topic. That way I can avoid reading stuff that doesn’t float my boat. Then I go to the left side to see who posted it. There are several folks here, like you, whose stuff I always read. And then there are a few who I never read — like Gracie Boy, whose banal insights bore me to tears.

But, even doing it that way I do still see some of his stuff. For me, all it takes is a glance … which is when I saw him browbeating Zara. And, as you know, I do not take kindly to newbie fuckers personally attacking our long-timers. It is one of my jobs according to the TBP Handbook, Chapter 5, Paragraph 6. He’s just one more tiny infraction away from me commanding him to go suck DDD.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
July 24, 2018 8:05 pm

This is wrong. The enemy are Babylonians. Their sexual perversity and defilement of religion are Babylonian in nature. Their book is called The Babylonian Talmud. Hollywood is called Hollywood Babylon.
Baal is their deity. He is “The Golden Calf”. Moses threw down the 10 Commandments when he descended from the Mountain and saw his people worshipping Baal.
Look at Wall Street. The Bull is Baal. The Bear is Ursus in the Constellation. It is Baal’s deadly enemy in their so-called religion. Its an Ancient Astrological thing. Most of their enemies are described as BEARS. Its not a coincidence you know…

Annie
Annie
July 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Zarathustra I am no where near the scholar that you are, but I have been thinking about a related subject. Psychopaths and the levels of control on this planet and the Jews are a big part of that.

There are multiple, overlapping, definitions of “sociopath” and “psychopath”. For my own understanding I have simplified these down to:
A sociopath has no empathy or conscience outside of a given group (family, religion, etc.);
A psychopath has no empathy or conscience outside of himself.

Why are psychopaths and sociopaths important? It is much easier to gain control over people if you have no empathy for them and no conscience. Most, if not all, of the people in the upper levels of control on this planet (regardless of what you call them – the powers that be; the global elite; the deep state; etc.) are psychopaths.

How does this relate to Jews? I believe the MAJORITY of Jews are sociopaths per my definition. They are taught that they are the chosen people and empathy outside the chosen people is frowned upon. I also believe that a higher percentage of Jews are psychopaths per my definition than there is in the general population. I think this is partially due to the way that they are taught (it is a small jump from sociopathy to psychopathy) and partially due to heredity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Annie
July 25, 2018 10:01 am

Little Annie Fanny, Doc Pangloss said a sociopath and psychopath are the same thing, a person devoid of a conscience. Such a person is not bothered by guilt, remorse or empathy. We like to call folks like Randall P. MacMurphy a sociopath while we reserve the term psychopath for mass murderers.
EC

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
July 25, 2018 10:54 am

If you look at two movie psychopaths, neither shows much emotion or has human-like qualities other than their appearance. They both kill without emotion, they are relentless in their pursuit of a target and do not display satisfaction after completing the goal. They both exemplify death in its remorseless implacability.

There are many similarities in the films, No country for Old Men and The Terminator. Both psychopathic appear out of nowhere, one out of time, the other out of the desert. When the gas station owner asks Chigur where he came from, Chigur counters, “What business is that of yours..?” Anton Chigur establishes his dominance early on, his alpha male personality, when he threatens a visibly frightened Wells. The Terminator overpowers a barroom bully to take his clothes from him.

Both characters are injured but show no reaction to pain as they perform surgery on their wounds. They both develop a limp which slows them down, both speak in a low menacing voice, both have a small humorous scene (I’ll be back and Chigur’s smirk at Llewelyn’s threat on the phone). Both kill an old lady – the Terminator kills Sara Connor’s mom and Chigur kills Carla Jean’s mom.

Both characters have a bad haircut, both have a large imposing physique, both communicate with their intended victim on the phone, both break into a home, both steal vehicles in their pursuit of a victim. Even their ultimate target turns out to be quite challenging and resourceful. The target ends up in a pickup with an opposite sex companion (Kyle and Sara, Llewellyn and the hitchhiker)

Although Sara and Carla Jean survive to the end of the movie, Carla Jean gets wasted in a coin toss, Sara bugs out for a while.
I have much more to evaluate but I will leave it to Untapped to consider the rest here.
EC

Annie
Annie
  Anonymous
July 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Watched this last night. She says that psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made. Psychopaths don’t have activity in the part of the brain that controls empathy and flight or fight response. Sociopaths are taught to be sociopaths. I think this meshes well with my definition. In her definition sociopaths will usually still have empathy and conscience within the group that taught them to not have empathy outside the group.

Edwitness
Edwitness
July 24, 2018 11:30 pm

The problem you have encountered in understanding the Creator God is that He and He alone is the Creator. And all other gods are false gods and are to be rejected on that basis. Their claims to be gods rests in their ability to deceive. Not in their power as the Creator.
One of the main reasons for the need to reject all other gods is that none of them can deliver from death to life. Because only Jesus, the one true God, has conquered death by His resurrection.
Therefore it is solely because of His having conquered death, and His greatest desire that you too could have eternal life, that He says to you “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me.” He was representing the very God that you havbe believed is a sociopath. Yet you believe Jesus brought something different.
The destruction of the false god worshipping peoples in the Old Testament translates to the New Testament by showing those who choose eternal life that their need to get rid of the Understanding they had as natural men. And replace it with the mind of Christ which is spiritual. It would express the need for those who would receive eternal life to embrace the fact that this life can be found in no other. So what would be the point of worshipping any other than the true God? They have ears but can not hear. They have eyes but can not see….
And because their idols were to be proven false by the true God’s destruction of them. Because if they were not false they and their followers could not have been destroyed.
Another aspect to the need for their destruction was that they had mingled themselves with fallen angels. This mingling produced beings that were not human. They were nephilim. A demigod of sorts. We see this in Gen.6. Considered an abomination because they were Satan’s attempt at destroying the image of God in man that was the image of the true God who made them.
Israel is looking for a kingdom here on earth as they were promised. This has led them to look for a messiah that would conquer the kingdoms on earth that they might rule and reign with him. Jesus was here to bring that kingdom to them. But, they rejected Him because they didn’t like the way He was going about it.
This happened because they misunderstood what Messiah would do when He came. Theirs was the idea that came from an understanding of the law apart from the covenant God made with Abraham.
The law came 430 years after the promise. And it’s only job was to make the Israelites be get along with one another so they would be preserved as a people throughout time until Christ came. Thus bringing the Mosaic covenant to an end.
But, they preferred the Mosaic law to the promise that Jesus came to give them. So they killed Him and wait for another. This will happen very soon in the great tribulation Jesus told them of in Mathew24.
But, not all Israelites rejected Him. Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, was an Israelite and a pharisee. Yet He trusted in Jesus and received the promise given through Abraham.
So not all of Israel has remained in the Mosaic covenant. Many have trusted in Jesus for eternal life.
Because in that covenant there is no life. It was never given for that purpose. It’s only job was to give the command and apply the penalties for it’s violation. This is why you see an Israelite nation that is trying to bring back the temple and all of it’s practices. They want to be blessed again in the way Deut.28 says they will. And their taking over the world is a promise that will be fulfilled for them by the same God that destroyed all their enemies in the Old Testament. But, this does not take place until the millennial reign of Christ after the great tribulation.
But, God has other plans for them.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Edwitness
July 25, 2018 1:20 am
Sam Fox
Sam Fox
  Edwitness
July 25, 2018 6:05 pm

Edwitness, Elohim has the same plans for all who have received Yeshua Messiah’s salvation.

Ephesians 2:14-16 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
14 For He is [Himself] our peace (our bond of unity and harmony). He has made us both [Jew and Gentile] one [body], and has broken down (destroyed, abolished) the hostile dividing wall between us,

15 By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.

16 And [He designed] to reconcile to God both [Jew and Gentile, united] in a single body by means of His cross, thereby killing the mutual enmity and bringing the feud to an end.

By “other plans for them” do you mean the so called time of Jacob’s trouble? That’s a Dispensationalist teaching that is not based in scripture. If anyone, Jew, gentile or whatever, wants any traction with Elohim, Nature’s God, they have to come the same & only way which is Jesus Christ. He said of Himself He is the way the truth and the life & that no one can come to Elohim but through Him.

There are not two plans, one for the Jew & one for the gentile. Paul also says–

Romans 11:31 AMP Bible, Classic Edition:
So they also now are being disobedient [when you are receiving mercy], that they in turn may one day, through the mercy you are enjoying, also receive mercy [that they may share the mercy which has been shown to you—through you as messengers of the Gospel to them].
Romans 2:28
For he is not a [real] Jew who is only one outwardly and publicly, nor is [true] circumcision something external and physical.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and [true] circumcision is of the heart, a spiritual and not a literal [matter]. His praise is not from men but from God.

Philippians 3:3
For we [Christians] are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit and by the Spirit of God and exult and glory and pride ourselves in Jesus Christ, and put no confidence or dependence [on what we are] in the flesh and on outward privileges and physical advantages and external appearances—

SamFox

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
July 25, 2018 12:17 am

“If Yahweh had remained a tribal god from the desert, he would simply be recognized as particularly primitive and cruel, perhaps a demon escaped from hell though an Arabian volcano. But his successful claim to be honored as the true and only God is the biggest sham in human history, and a civilizational disaster of incomparable magnitude.” ——

And yet here we are in 2018, reading this article, on the internet, which is likely the greatest means of mass communication ever invented….by westerners of Jewish and Christian backgrounds, who have all the trappings of modern western civilization at their disposal.

It seems to me that the world was a bloody, violent place long, LONG before the bible was written. Yet somehow all those other cultures at the time, like the Aztecs, who engaged in human sacrifice by the thousands, would have us all going to Dave Matthews concerts by now?

Baal, by the way, demanded sacrifice of first born children, not a nice guy if you ask me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JR Wirth
July 25, 2018 10:57 am

You are mixing the two, Baal is a different entity, the god of the heathens.
EC

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
July 25, 2018 12:52 am

One more thing.

Atheists love to delve into the old testament and find all kinds of problems that they howl at, especially Leviticus, with all its bizarre rules. But it’s usually lost on the reader that for thousands of years religious texts were the law books of their time. And if you look at the law in the old testament, it’s actually the most progressive document of that time. For instance if you beat off, you don’t just wipe your cum on your clothes, you clean up after yourself. You wash your clothes if it gets on there, because no one needs to look at nasty ass cum stains on clothes. we take for granted that this is “civilized” behavior, but back in the day it would have been revolutionary. “You mean I can’t just wipe my jizz all over myself like a towel?” No you can’t, it’s nasty. And this is long before washing machines.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  JR Wirth
July 25, 2018 1:24 am

Odin be praised. You Christians are some mighty weird folks. What with rules for jacking off and all. I guess that makes you the original progressives.

RiNS
RiNS
  Hollywood Rob
July 25, 2018 6:25 am

Well that splains alot… the Bible as the wellspring of progressive fapping…. that is a book to be proud of..

Robert H Siddell Jr
Robert H Siddell Jr
July 25, 2018 3:04 am

The God of the Universe (Abba Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is not even known by Jews who worship Yahweh, Muslims worship Allah, Hindus several gods etc. If you look in Youtube, you will see that God appears to people of every philosophy and invites them to become His spiritual children. Pray to God for guidance; a New Testament would be very helpful. God helps people smuggle Bibles into Communist and Muslim countries. Christian fellowship is good but not essential; in some places, Church can be fatal.

Gerold
Gerold
July 25, 2018 9:13 am

Being the über-skeptic, I believe in neither heaven nor hell and the older I get and the more I see and learn, the more I begin to doubt the very existence of earth itself. However, if I were to design the perfect hell, it would have curbs and taxes and movies and mosquitoes and laughter and incurable disease. My hell would have both love and hate; one as a counterpoint to the other. It would have politicians, thieves, scoundrels and mass murderers as well as good, decent people. And every so often, the better of us die young and are plucked from misery which is why the good die young. This is a training ground for heaven and failure prolongs the stay in hell.

I haven’t had anyone agree with me. They can’t. It’s not designed that way.

The Perfect Hell

Annie
Annie
  Gerold
July 25, 2018 1:56 pm

“the older I get and the more I see and learn, the more I begin to doubt the very existence of earth itself” Conversely, the more I doubt the existence of earth and reality itself the more I believe in some sort of god. Not the Joo god or the Christian god but a consciousness or consciousnesses outside of this reality creating and observing this hologram/computer program of an existence.

Stucky
Stucky
July 25, 2018 11:42 am

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diogenes
diogenes
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 12:28 pm

“Blaming Jesus for Jehovah: Rethinking the Righteousness of Christianity”

Book by Robert M. Price

Pip
Pip
  diogenes
March 2, 2022 9:31 am

Christian teach that Jesus aka Yahsua is the Son of Yahweh.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 12:31 pm

What should I gather from that meme? WTF is H.H. Gardener? Do you recall Nixon declassifying a document, saying, it’s not illegal when the president does it. That is the concept you miss here, God is the owner of the planet and everything in it. He can do anything he wants.

You can’t question God. What if he killed Jeffry Dahmer, is that unjust? Here’s a clue; we are all guilty before the Lord (and BB). He can kill us all and it would be just, well-deserved justice for us all.

Spare me the outrage, you and all the moranicans here who have gone to the dark side with Lord Vader. Helen and Ann Coulter can suck an egg.

EC

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
July 25, 2018 12:55 pm

“Spare me the outrage …” ———- EC

When have you seen me outraged over a religious topic? Time after time after time I have said in both my own religiously bent articles, and comments, that; 1) I am NEVER trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking and, 2) I don’t give a rat’s ass if someone thinks I’m full of shit. I have no ax to grind. I just share what I’ve learned to believe. Then again, perhaps you were just using a figure of speech.

=======================================

“You can’t question God.”

Says who? Jeez, I’ve heard that several times over the past few days. We disagree one thousand percent on that. Blind obedience, parking my brain at the door, becoming a robot — that’s not my cup of tea. I question everything, always … because we live in a lying shitfuk world where everything must be verified.

I have no problem if you don’t question God. We all do what floats our boat. But, hey, even the Apostle Thomas had his doubts.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 2:25 pm

I meant the obvious outrage expressed here that god would kill them and several billion more useless eaters cluttering up the face of the earth. What an ego! Your OK, though, your humility is the stuff of legend.

Abraham Begs for Sodom
…23Abraham stepped forward and said, “Will You really sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24What if there are fifty righteous ones in the city? Will You really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous ones who are there? 25Far be it from You to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Will not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”…

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 1:44 pm

Very well said. And full of grace I might add. What Zara believes is very clear in this treatise concerning who he believes the God of the Bible is. You spoke to that issue alone and the ramifications of getting it wrong. Good job.
Stucky really doesn’t like it when his view of God is shown to be perverse as you did here. Too bad. Because he seems to be a great guy with thoughtful and insightful views otherwise.
Blessings:-}

Stucky
Stucky
  Edwitness
July 25, 2018 2:08 pm

“Stucky really doesn’t like it when his view of God is shown to be perverse as you did here. ”

Jeeze oh Pete!!! What I don’t like is when people say shit about me that isn’t true. For the last time … I love a good argument BUT I DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT MY RELIGIOUS VIEWS. People who think I give a shit what they think about what I think have too high an opinion of themselves.

AlphaDelta
AlphaDelta
  Stucky
July 27, 2018 6:02 am

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT YOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWS.

Thanks for proving you’re a total MORON, and you’re offensive, herr stfufuk.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Edwitness
July 26, 2018 7:02 pm

Very well said and full of shit I might add. I am offended that you christians would try to subvert the one true god…Odin. There are now three movies which carefully describe the true nature of the universe and Odin’s place in it. All of these movies were made in the last ten years. Your silly little god and his religion hasn’t seen an update since King James. As long as you persist in spewing this evil slime you will continue to hurt all of those poor souls who long for the liberation of a life lived in Odin. May you rot in the darkest dungeon in Valhalla for an eternity.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Hollywood Rob
July 27, 2018 3:09 am

Bwahahahaha ha

AlphaDelta
AlphaDelta
  Zarathustra
July 27, 2018 6:14 am

It’s hard to prove or disprove facts occurring almost 10,000 years ago. What we have is the truth of God’s Word, against which all else is judged. The bright line, then, is whether you believe truth, or lies.

If you believe lies, then there’s no limit to what your imagination can conjure. Conversely, if you believe truth, then there’s no point in wasting time comparing similarities between lies.

Modern day Judaism is evil and has nothing to do with the god of Abraham and Moses. The Torah was written purely in the Common Era, at least to my knowledge. It’s a collection of rabbinical writings. If you want to learn something about truth, watch a documentary available on YT, https://youtu.be/typ2pl2L47k

You probably can’t handle the truth.

Mary
Mary
August 5, 2018 2:57 pm

Has anyone heard from zarathustra recently?

bcm
bcm
November 10, 2020 5:09 pm

So full of knolage but not one gram of wisdom. You obviously dont understand the Bible at all, everything you say is completely out of context not even close, you dont even understand why GOD did anything at all.
“military god bent on looting and slaughtering the enemies”? You really dont understand or know why he did this? WOW You defiantly have shown your ignorance of History!
Foolish!

Pip
Pip
March 2, 2022 9:23 am

THE RELIGION OF MOST AMERICANS – IS CHRISTIANITY – A SECT OF JUDAISM
It must be seen and rejected as Jewish mind control at its most basic. It exists to confuse and disarm Gentiles and in its extreme forms to protect Jews. If it weren’t for Christianity and its passive, surrender-based nature, the Jews would not be around today to cause us so much trouble and expense and international bloodshed. The teachings of Jesus, whom the Jews pretend to hate, have kept the Jews alive and well.

MOSES WAS A PSYCHOPATHIC WAR CRIMINAL
“And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses”
(Deuteronomy 34:10)
Yahweh, a being of simple and bloody tastes

“One night while Moses was in camp, Jehovah was about to kill him.
But Zipporah [his wife] circumcised her son with a flint knife … So Yahweh did not harm Moses.
Zipporah said, ‘You are a bridegroom of blood’.”
– Exodus 4.24-26.

NUMBERS 31:13-18:
(13) Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.
(14) But Moses was furious with all the generals and captains who had returned from the battle.
(15) “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded.
(16) “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the Lord at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the Lord’s people.
(17) So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.
( 18 ) Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

JESUS ENDORSED MOSES:
“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46 If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”…
John 5:45 47

JESUS ENDORSED THE TORAH
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18

WHAT NO CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDS IS THAT THE BASIS OF THEIR RELIGION IS A MENTAL ILLNESS CALLED JUDAISM
CHRISTIAN BELIEFS ARE NOT SANE BECAUSE THEIR BASIS IS ROOTED IN JUDAIC EVIL

Judaism is morally bankrupt; it has nothing to offer us but out-dated plagiarized myths, about some angry judgmental god that is remarkably exactly like the Jews themselves. The anthropocentric supremacist myths of the Jews should have little appeal to a person of high consciousness; such exclusionistic ideas are an anathema to any decent human being. The idea that you need salvation from a Jew should go against ever cell in your being, if not you need to examine what great fault lies within yourself.