By Doug “Uncola” Lynn via TheBurningPlatform.com
There’s a guy I met a few years ago who, it turned out, had worked with some people I’ve done business with in the past. We shared a few war stories and have since had lunch together on a few occasions. Last month he called me with a business proposition and invited me over to see his new place and the ongoing projects there. After putting him off for as long as could be considered polite, I called him last week and we met at his house.
After the normal bullshit and small talk he told me his plans had changed and we wouldn’t be working together. I told him I didn’t care one way or another and it was good to, at least, see the new place. Then, after seeing some of the improvements and hearing about his current and future projects, he said: “What did you think of the Mueller report? I have a feeling you might see it differently than me.”
Actually, that turn in our conversation took me by surprise. Or, rather, perhaps I was merely surprised I didn’t see it coming. In truth, I had hoped to avoid politics. Yet, as soon as he asked me the question, I knew he was libtarded. In retrospect, I think I always knew. And, from the first moment I saw him standing in the doorway that day, I could tell he was agitated. Of course he was all smiles and laughter right up until he broached the Mueller report, I could see beneath his salesman’s shtick, that his eyes were angry. It could have been from anything. But just then it became obvious.
I paused for a moment, sizing him up. He was middle-aged. Caucasian. Buzz-cut, but mostly bald. A little shorter than me. Stocky like a bulldog.
I replied: “It all has a sense of theater, don’t ya’ think?”
And then the rant started.
I listened but, inwardly, did have a feeling of schadenfreud-esque satisfaction. Even so, there was no way in hell I wanted to actively red-pill the guy. He was too far gone and it’s too late for him anyway. Or maybe I just didn’t give a shit. I’m still not sure.
So my mind wandered as I looked out the large windows feeling a little like Freddy Krueger on Friday the 13th or Michael Myers on Halloween. Or maybe Chucky at a toy convention. Before long though, his voice pulled me away from my rosy reveries as I heard him say, “But you don’t care about that, do you?”
“About what?” I asked.
“Russia. You don’t care that Trump is controlled by Russia. That doesn’t bother you at all, does it.” In looking at his intense frown, and since his intonation descended on the word “it”, I knew it wasn’t a question.
Then, it hit me. He was trying to red-pill me! In his own way, that is. I mean, in his mind, all of those DNC inspired “red-alert” e-mails and Rachel Maddow could not have been wrong over the last two years, right?
Now it was getting fun. I said, “Trust me, Bud. Trump may be controlled but it ain’t by Russia”.
“Who’s controlling him then?”
Almost as an afterthought, I near whispered the following: “Well, you know…., Dwight Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex in his farewell speech and JFK spoke of the secret societies before he was assassinated. You know… Carrol Quigley wrote about the round-table groups in his book ‘Tragedy and Hope’. You know… the global financial elite.”
He studied me with a puzzled look on his face. Then, as he walked over to pour himself some more coffee, he said, “But what about Trump. What do you think of Trump?”
“I think he just might be a distraction,” said I. “Like watching a movie on plane that’s about to crash. Or maybe like a reality TV show.”
“Well Trump would be perfect for that, wouldn’t he?” he exclaimed. “Hey listen,” he added, “I’m not trying to be jerk here and I’m not challenging what you believe because I don’t even know what you believe. I’m not sure where you’re at with all this.”
“I’ll tell you what I do know,” I replied. “We’re a nation divided. I mean, if you watch MSNBC and Fox News on any given night it’s like two trains going in opposite directions… and a divided nation won’t stand.”
He was staring at me intently, so I continued. “There are those on one side who desire one world under dreams of peace and harmony and others who value their nation, their culture, and their flag.”
As soon as I said flag, his face puckered a little, like he ate something sour. Then he said: “But we are a racist nation. Racism is still a huge problem in America.”
At first I thought about mentioning Oprah Winfrey and Jussie Smollett, as well as Tiger Woods’ recent win at the Masters, but decided it might appear to him as being condescending; like when rednecks talk about having black friends. So I went in different direction instead.
“That’s the thing…,” I said, “I’ve always been for the working man. Main Street over Wall Street. Trump was for the working man, right? But the Democrats, now they’re only interested in genitalia and skin color. It’s all about identity politics nowadays, ya’ know?”
He looked at me and quipped, “You may be right about that”.
I continued. “Everything is now left-right … like a football game… red versus blue and blue versus red. They’re down on the field and we’re all watching TV and choosing sides. But you know who I’m looking at mostly?”
“Who?” he asked.
“The guys over on the side of the field wearing sunglasses and standing by the Humvee with the assault rifles slung over their shoulders.”
He laughed. “You know…, the way you were talking earlier I was thinking you’re a conspiracy theorist!”
I thought to myself: Just like clockwork. Every damn time. It NEVER fails.
And I smiled right back at him. “But aren’t you the one who said Trump was controlled by Russia? Hell! Even Bob Mueller doesn’t believe that. Yet you do. So tell me, who’s the conspiracy theorist here?”
I could tell he didn’t like that direction in the conversation and he quickly changed the subject. “Who do you think will win the Democratic nomination? A lot of people think it will be Biden, but I hope it’s not him”.
“Do you think Biden will run?” I asked.
“Absolutely. I do. But I hope it’s not him or Bernie,” said he.
I laughed. “It would be fun to watch Trump run against either one. Not sure if he would have beat Bernie in 2016 though.”
“No way,” he replied.
In responding to that, I said: “And that’s another thing, it was like Hillary was destined to win the primaries, ya know?”
He nodded. “Yeah. I know.”
“Worst presidential candidate ever,” I added with a wry smile and watched his expression.”
He frowned. “But the thing about Trump is that he’s not presidential. He’s a con man. There’s so many better Republicans than him.”
“Yeah,” I responded, “But that’s kind of the nature of the beast, nowadays, huh?”
“What do you mean?”
“You know…, reality TV.”
“Oh. Yeah,” he mumbled.
I continued. “Well, I think we’re pretty close in age, so we both grew up at the tail end of Norman Rockwell’s America…”
Then, he interrupted me: “Actually, I think I’m older than you. How old are you?”
I told him.
He said, “Yeah, I’m five years older than you”.
“Really?” I replied. “That’s bizarre.”
“Why is that?” he asked.
I said, “Because you seem kind of immature.”
First, he frowned, before his eyes met mine and he seemed pissed. Then he burst into laughter, leaning his head back.
I was laughing too and noticed his eyes were smiling for the first time.
After a few seconds, he asked me: “You really don’t think the Russians helped to elect Trump?”
I responded: “No, I don’t believe it happened.”
At that, a shadow crossed his face. He couldn’t understand that. He shook his head, literally, staring at me like I was an alien life-form.
I said, “Look…, I realize many people believe that and Robert Mueller even said as much in his report. But, at the same time, there are many others who believe a sitting president spied on a presidential candidate. In fact, there is more proof of FISA abuse and the intelligence sting that was called ‘Crossfire Hurricane’ than Russian election hacking. And all of that makes Watergate pale in comparison.”
He simply shook his head and, with a dismissive wave of his right hand, he said: “Bring it on.”
“I guess we’ll have to wait and see,” I said. “Time will tell, right?”.
We bantered a little more and then I left.
At the time, it seemed right to go easy on him. There would have been no benefit to us yelling at each other that day and, besides, he wouldn’t have believed anything I would have told him and vice versa. Looking back though, if I could have done anything differently, I would have asked him how he thought the Mueller investigation started in the first place since no collusion was discovered by Mueller; even if only to hear his answer.
I’d also like to think it was a good start and that maybe more opportunities will become available in the near future to continue the conversation. But, at the same time, I don’t care either way. Because, honestly, we are on different tracks and traveling in opposite directions.
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(That was the end until I added the following:)
Epilogue
A few days after our meeting, I began to recall how the dude was so upset that I didn’t care that our president was Putin’s stooge. Here this guy is flying upside down with his head up his ass and not knowing north from south. And he thought I was the idiot. Me.
Unbelievable.
And then I realized – when the economy crashes, this guy is going to believe Trump did it on purpose to take America down. What will our conversations be like then?
Now, a week later, I’m thinking to hell with that guy.
Then, today, I learned from Newsweek magazine how the longest-serving GOP member of the Iowa Legislature announced he’s changing parties to become a Democrat. Why? Because of Trump’s “unprecedented divisiveness”.
This, on the heels of Republican Senator Mittens Romney of Utah declaring he was “sickened” by the Mueller Report’s findings; and none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton informally advising the U.S. House on impeaching Donald Trump.
What is happening to our nation? It’s unexplainable.
Insanity.
Langston Hughes caught my attention when I first studied American Literature. He is truly PROFOUND.
Let America Be America Again – Poem by Langston Hughes
Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.
(America never was America to me.)
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed–
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.
(It never was America to me.)
O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.
(There’s never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this “homeland of the free.”)
Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery’s scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek–
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.
I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one’s own greed!
I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean–
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today–O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.
Yet I’m the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That’s made America the land it has become.
O, I’m the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home–
For I’m the one who left dark Ireland’s shore,
And Poland’s plain, and England’s grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa’s strand I came
To build a “homeland of the free.”
The free?
Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we’ve dreamed
And all the songs we’ve sung
And all the hopes we’ve held
And all the flags we’ve hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay–
Except the dream that’s almost dead today.
O, let America be America again–
The land that never has been yet–
And yet must be–the land where every man is free.
The land that’s mine–the poor man’s, Indian’s, Negro’s, ME–
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.
Sure, call me any ugly name you choose–
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people’s lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!
O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath–
America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain–
All, all the stretch of these great green states–
And make America again!
Langston Hughes
Echoes are funny things, aren’t they? Sound without true vibrations, just the record of vibrations sort of floating through the air until caught by a receiver.
I wonder what Yertle the California Turtle could engineerify about that?
Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.
Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.
Langston Hughes
OMG… look what you’ve done.
I’d forgotten this one
MOTHER TO SON!!!!!
Well, son, I’ll tell you:
Life for me ain’t been no crystal stair.
It’s had tacks in it,
And splinters,
And boards torn up,
And places with no carpet on the floor—
Bare.
But all the time
I’se been a-climbin’ on,
And reachin’ landin’s,
And turnin’ corners,
And sometimes goin’ in the dark
Where there ain’t been no light.
So, boy, don’t you turn back.
Don’t you set down on the steps.
‘Cause you finds it’s kinder hard.
Don’t you fall now—
For I’se still goin’, honey,
I’se still climbin’,
And life for me ain’t been no crystal stair.
Langston Hughes
Langston Hughes was a very good poet, and while I may not be able to relate to his perspective- me as a working man bondsman to the soil, and he a cocktail party liberal drifting through the salons being stroked and petted for his wordsmithery- I can still discern a sharp intellect, even if it is far more provincial than anything you’d find in a farming hamlet because of his cosmopolitan urbanity.
It was never America for him because it was never meant to be. That must be a terrific pill to have to swallow, but it also shows that he was every bit as misguided- and remained until his death- by the mythology of America’s backstory. The words were so powerful, so inspirational, that he mistook them to mean he was a part of it, that it was intended for him to share in it’s fulfillment. And when he received the awards, the acclaim, the accolades, and the prestige that accompanied his patronizing rise in stature and subsequent move up the economic ladder there remained no satisfaction in it because those things were never the real goal of the American Dream, nor were they adequate substitutes for what he was looking for and what could never be found in the USA for him even if he lived a thousand years. And that’s all I ever hear in his writing, no matter how polished and refined it became.
That was a really great piece Doug, and it encapsulated the crux of our problem; that there is one America, but that there are numerous factions trying desperately to claim it for themselves and that even if they win it, it will vanish in the air like a mist, impossible to hold onto because it could never belong to them, and in this realization there is only one option left, to destroy the memory of it forever.
Factions are peculiar things.
James Madison had some ideas about it a long time ago. Nobody reads his stuff much.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed10.asp
Wikipedia hasn’t filtered out all knowledge. Yet.
“By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.
There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.
It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease.
Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires.
But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.”
Was me. M G
I learned to like Langston Hughes when I returned to college, determined to make as many A’s as possible as quickly as possible to lift that abysmal 2.3 GPA I’d managed to leave Missouri carrying around my academic neck like an albatross.
I had a cheery little teacher named Dr. Rainwater who wore frilly dresses with flowers on them. Often, real flowers. She assigned the class to read some of his work and I was swept up in the same sort of academic charade encompassing all of our colleges during the 1990s. But, the poem I chose to analyze was one about how it felt to be the only child at an old-fashioned tent revival left sitting on a pew.
Because he’d been told he would know it was time to claim his salvation when Jesus invited him to the altar. He waited and waited and all the other kids were asked, obviously. Except him. And he was really looking hard.
I don’t remember which of his poems or works contained that but it struck me as profound then and still does.
My god HSF. You really are blooming into quite the wordsmith. Three beautiful paragraphs that cut like a laser. I bow to your brilliance and can only hope that you have been spending your down time preparing that book.
Good morning, HR. Why do you suppose HF is called the bard of TBP, hmm?
I call you the bard. HSF is the Prose Master.
But… then again. I’m a figment of your imagination, aren’t I?
The thing about the “ropes?”
They are made of parachute lanyard and if you need some good rope in the field… maybe to catch a rabbit or a squirrel in a trap, a parachute lanyard is good stuff to have.
But, the ropes are impressive too.
Raccoons, too.
Yes, that is my arm up that raccoon’s ass. He doesn’t feel a thing because he got whacked with a 2×4!
Of course, I have to honor myself first. Thanks, Maggie Me.
The farmer has your refried beans. Unless Stucky wants the pelt, I’m thinking about keeping it… not because I like my arm up its ass but because it scared the bejeesus out of my female Pyr and that was funnier than the idea of that big lumberjacklooking dude from New Joisey whacking a ‘coon with a board.
That’s the market clearing function of the 4th Turning the competing visions and definitions of America get reconciled into a single vision as one point of view is essentially eliminated (for a short time). Thus after the revolution, we were no longer part the British empire (Tories destroyed) after the civil war states were wholly subservient to the central government and in WWII we decided that government welfare states and crony capitalism were preferable to free markets and individual liberty.
In this conflict will the nation-state itself disappear in favor of a globalist controlled feudal system with communism for the masses and cronyism for the elite (hence feudalism).
I feel the same way about Springsteen and his “blue collar roots”…………
Don’t tell me what it’s like to serve your country and then lose your job…….To be called Deplorable by those who are supposed to “serve the people”……. while you collect off the Gullible Gentrifieds……
Fuck Springsteen, prog bolshevik extraordinaire. Let’s go punk. I know Llpoh loves punk too.
HF, I read the same advice regarding a troublesome sentence, remove it. It makes it easier to keep writing. Of course, I never write anything that would be stumped by a troublesome sentence. I try to keep my life just as simple as my writing. I try not to get hung up on dead dreams or impossible goals.
@HSF: Eloquently stated.
The rise of Identity Politics, the destruction of the family and Christian morality (yes, Christianity formed the basis of what we once used as a moral code) the destruction of education that actually taught something of value rather than Identity politics and allegiance to the status quo, coupled with the usual greedy and power hungry men and women grasping for control have gotten us to this point.
The deadly weapon that the power hungry had in their arsenal was and is, television and, to a lesser extent. movies. Those were and are used to push propaganda to mold the populace into following and acting along party lines. Think Orwell’s Big Brother and his ten minutes of hate of Emmanuel Goldstein to understand where we are as a nation. The indoctrination has worked well, those responsive to the programming are following the script that has been subconsciously imprinted in their brains.
Hardscrabble Farmer, that’s what I call a lucid cogent post. A pleasure to read. I’m still waiting for adoption tho and I still don’t eat much and I work hard.
Langston Hughes Nigger Communist.
And most likely gay, but what’s your point. Aren’t all poets gay?
Are you saying your not gay, HR?
And all cowboys wear white hats? Some flawed logic there HR. There have been lots of gifted people who were truly execrable human beings.
He was a communist, he was black, his sexual orientation remains unclear. To make a blanket statement about all poets being gay reveals a bias on your part. You believe yourself to be superior because of your ‘egalitarian’ views and yet you condemn those who don’t share your views. seems your ‘liberality’ is showing. Not too easy to ‘get along’ with someone out to harm you.
Not true. Perhaps you are projecting your own BS onto me.
You get along with people out to harm you? Nuts to that.
let me clarify it for you all–
rob’s point was valid,he just forgot to insert the word talented in front of poets–
“aren’t all talented poets gay?”
Only the existentialists… the romantics and the classical poets were castrato to maintain the emotional edge.
Now, the men have almost testosterone anyway, so every fucking body’s a poet now.
Not the ones that can suck their own dick.
TLDR
i just realized i am on the wrong blog – based on the number of thumbs down
Sometimes thumbs downs are kind of like a badge of honor.
I decided The Color Purple was probably a lost cause and let’s not even talk about Maya.
The thing about poems that reach the masses is that they reach the MASSES.
The masses don’t care whether you think it worth your time.
They thinks it worth theirs.
Poets are like hippos. They just plow right on through.
Whom God wants to destroy…http://www.racialcompact.com/whomgodsdestroy.html
It’s collapsing that’s what is happening to our country. Who knows where it takes us. It won’t be fun except for the rich. They just watch laugh and get richer.
The elites said “Everything will be fine” in France back around 1789. How did that work out for them?
You are a better man than I, Doug. First, I would not have any association with people like this unless I knew them to be high character otherwise–but then I would have demanded long ago that we would not discuss what we could never agree on.
Secondly, I usually am much harsher and direct with my onslaught. I don’t devolve into the “what about your team’s crimes/faults”… I let it be known up front that I am an equal opportunity despiser: the Bush clan, McCain, the Clintons, Paul Ryan, Pelosi, Schumer…all are the self-serving dregs of humanity playing their prescribed roles.
Assigned a “team” like a sorting hat announcing “Gryffindor” they fall into their roles of military aggression and foreign intervention RED–or breadcrumbs and trivial “free” chit to the impoverished BLUE– but either way the normal people trying to go about living with as little interference as possible from Big Gov are the bugs on the windshield of our Nation as it careens toward the edge of the cliff.
If they are cultishly devout in their commitment to a TEAM–either team– then I really cannot have an intelligent discussion with them. For they are the problem.
Javelin says:
What’s funny is that’s the way it usually is with friendships and acquaintances. Best to focus upon things for which we are in agreement.
And we did talk about that as well toward the end. I even mentioned the Matrix and he said he never saw the movie. But when I explained what happened after Neo swallowed the red pill (i.e. seismic worldview shift), he said it sounded pretty interesting.
Although I didn’t get as far with him that day, I usually stick to the procedure(s) as outlined in my March 2017 article entitled: “How to Woo a Moonbatted Snowflake”.
But it’s a slow process because I have to decide if they’re worth it first; and, especially, only after I’m convinced they can be trustworthy friends.
Although the jury is still (somewhat) out on this one, he’s not a bad guy overall. Sort of younger hippie. Had some hardships that he overcame and is still overcoming. A businessman with an artistic streak as a blues and jazz guitarist.
We’ll see…, but for the most part, I remain cautiously pessimistic.
Enjoyable read, 7-Up. Thank you.
As I’m sure most TBP readers know, the startling ignorance of the left is rife throughout the Western world, not least here in Canada. Our media is shameful not only for its habit of lying through commission or omission on virtually every matter of importance, but in its slavish devotion to the narratives dictated by its Big Brother media in the USA. CNN says Trump is a Russian puppet, then CBC, CTV, Global, the Globe and Mail, Toronto Star and the rest will do the same. And, of course, most of our brain-dead citizens believe what the MSM tell them. It’s hopeless to try to change their minds. They know a totally different reality than we do. (I have to admit, if the Mueller report concluded Trump was guilty of colluding with the Russians, I wouldn’t have believed it. He was working for the Deep State, after all. So we’re all prisoners of our convictions.)
Bob says:
And that is something I think about every day since the Mueller Report’s release. How easy would it have been to frame Trump by finding collusion? The truth has never mattered before. Why now?
Think about it. Is all of this just happening?
Because there was no underlying crime…..Not only did Trump not “rob the bank” but NO bank was robbed in the first place. There was as the Mueller report indicates No Collusion by Trump, the Trump Campaign or in fact any American with Russians………Bank was never robbed…..so it is ridiculous to suggest obstruction of a non-crime. Mueller and his band of deep state sycophants did their best to throw shade and mud on Trump but even they can’t simply manufacture evidence without fear of being caught and exposed…so they did not.
Remember there was no predicate crime for any of the use of the US intelligence tools against Trump……nobody walked and said: “I saw Trump/Trump team working with Russians” never happened. What happened is that the NSA database going back to 2012-2010 was being routinely used to spy on Obama’s and the deep state’s political enemies and they ramped it up when Trump made noises about getting in the race in 2015. The investigations of Trump were there to simply cover up and justify the wholly illegal spying that had already happened.
The interesting question is how far will Trump go in exposing this and holding those responsible accountable up to and including Obama?
The lib-sheeple heads are really going to explode.
“The interesting question is how far will Trump go in exposing this and holding those responsible accountable up to and including Obama?
The lib-sheeple heads are really going to explode.”
Don’t hold your breath…
But the intelligence agencies had software like “Umbrage” (see Wikileaks “Vault 7”) where they could implant hacks with Russian fingerprints. How easy for the CIA to pin similar on the Trumpster? It would have been as easy as stealing a piece of cake from a baby. Why didn’t they do it?
This came up on the derided “Q” boards in various forms and places; I ran across a few. The one I found most believable runs something like this: the CIA (through cutouts like Oswald and Ruby) killed JFK, and GOT AWAY WITH IT. That emboldened them; they decided to run the country from there on out. LBJ, Nixon, both Bushes, Clinton, Obama; each and every one of them was OWNED. Either they were already part of it (like Bush Sr. was a former CIA director) or various agents in / around their administrations (like Clapper & Brennan) were in place to pass along the orders and ensure compliance if necessary.
Somewhere around 2014 the military revolted; there were enough old school / honest / uncompromised actors in place to issue the CIA an ultimatum; END THIS. Get out of the game, let the people elect their president using the Electoral College and quit eliminating the candidates you don’t control. Do this or we will occupy Langley and EXECUTE EVERYONE WE FIND, TRACE OR LOCATE who ever worked with or for the CIA, and anyone who cooperated, benefited, retired or profited from this. And we WILL NOT STOP, ordinary ranks to special forces, until you are gone, each and every one of you. There will be no second chances, no reprieves or pardons. END THIS, NOW. OR WE WILL END YOU, DOWN TO THE LAST ONE.
This seems overly melodramatic, until you reflect; what LESSER stimulus would have kept them from keeping it up? Stopped them from putting the selected Hillary into the WH to serve their ends while enriching herself further (and the CIA has no problem with corruption, it’s a handy handle on the operators). If they turn on their owners and /or refuse an instruction, the corruption gets exposed (using the pliant, cooperative press) and / or the operator gets terminated (say, Seth Rich style). Why did they quit?
Of course, this scenario all comes from the absurd “Q” LARP / psyop, so some of you will reject the suggestion out of hand. Globalist wet dreams like TPP and Paris Climate Accords fell of their own weight, right? The increased number of pedophiles / human traffickers / slimelords of all stripes in prison is just random, right? Going from a President who routinely apologized for America to one trying to MAGA was just the tide going in and out, right? Nothing to do with anything, just random chance, right?
The above is not provable, so it’s just one explanation of how we went from oil importer to oil exporter, weak dollar to strong dollar (probably temporary, but still) and silence on illegal immigration to at least talking about it. It has, however, some interesting coherence, and if we ever find out what really happened, stands open to revision as better information appears.
Sound plausible to me.
Is all of this just happening?_______Uncola
Unc, Mueller is and always has been an actor, Barr has past connections to Mueller and that’s a fact. We have a revolving group of PLAYERS who keep the shit stirred in a non-stop reality tv show. That is the part that you actually got right. Fox News and CNN are without doubt nothing more than scripted reality tv which I have not watched in years.
I noticed you didn’t inform that fellow just how much the Golden Golem is OWNED by Israel. Which is worse?? That does not seem to bother you…….why?
If Mueller & his merry band of Broomhilda donors conducted a special counsel investigation of The Cheeto being OWNED by Israel. Do you think they’d find evidence of collusion?
What difference does it make when actors are pretending to investigate other actors?? NONE. THAT is the point, reality tv and all.
I read the title on Steve Quayle’s site, and I KNEW it would be an ‘Uncola’ piece !
I had a similar experience just the other day with a black man I have known for nearly four decades……he delivers the ‘Daily Metropolis’ newspaper early in the a.m. (around 3 he gets his route papers from the city guy). We have periodically bumped into one another, discuss a recent headline for a minute or two, and move on. The other morning, however, I mentioned the NM militia escorting a group of several hundred coughing illegals to the BP; it unleashed a “leev dem peeeple lone” with a rant to how they ‘owned’ the land anyway…..”it was took from em”….on to reparations…..and it didn’t stop until I stepped up on the curb with him, looked him in the eye, and called him a raycists POS !
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- on going story, no one really gives a shit about, but just this morning, I had three different local yocal cops “checking to see if you’re doing okay” as I make my daily 3-5 mile walks…..all from voicing my opinion about the ongoing ‘elevated terror threat’ while the border is wide open….
I told the sarge this morning, what I see is Edward Bernays social engineering at it’s best…you are not automatically “heroes” because you put a badge/gun on, you’re well paid, and anytime you don’t like “the danger of a small town cop job”, find somethin else to do….I also, ALWAYS, let them know that I understand there is about a 75% chance that I’m talking to a freemason….none have yet denied it.
“Think about it. Is all of this just happening?”
Based on the preponderance of ‘coincedences’……I believe it has all been planned before any here were even a twinkle in the eye !
Uncola- Yes, it would have been childs play for the “Deep State” to frame him up. As noted above by talented commenters, there is the possibility of Factionalism, and a genuine contest is occurring. And by saying this I am in no way asserting it as fact, the DEEP DEEP STATE could have cashed in the “Old” Deep State to pave the way for the “New” multilateral Deep State.
How can I protest? At least superficially I must cheer.
And that’s how it has always worked.
Otto,
Great comment and observations!
+1000?
Great story Doug. It illustrates perfectly how completely brain washed the progressives are and why the US MSM can continue, 24/7, to get away with their lying propaganda act. Facts literally mean NOTHING to these people. They can’t see, or think critically, even the admitted election fraud with CNN sharing debate questions with HRC. Any fair minded person would think that wrong. I won’t even speak to my sister because she thinks just like your friend. And no facts, figures, or review of history is going to change her way of thinking. We’re done as a united country. Our congress is so broken and divided that it cannot function and has been unable to put together and approve a budget for over ELEVEN YEARS! That is one of its PRIMARY responsibilities! I could go on. I know I’m preaching to the choir. Thanks for sharing your experience… Chip
See this great interview with Walter Williams, a best selling economist and professor, on Bill Still. Well worth 18 minutes of your time. He too is at a loss as to what can be done to restore the republic… Chip
https://billstill.com/
Who cares about Romney or some fag state legislator from Iowa? There’s plenty to be disappointed with about Trump, but not the insignificant shit that bothers those pantywaists.
But the point is how the “pantywaists” are always upset for the wrong reasons, ya know? It’s now become epidemic and maybe that’s the whole ballgame right there. We had a republic. We couldn’t keep it.
Think about something, if those pantywaists had no audience for their platform they would be reduced to the insignificant beings that they really are. AOC, Lena Dunham, Cher, Romney, etc. and so on, they are insignificant and rather stupid. They are given an audience and that makes them appear significant and in order to garner that audience they have to be ‘aggrieved’ and upset and look like they’re taking a higher road than their fellow.
They have to promote the prevailing agenda to get the attention and the agenda is Progressivism aka:Totalitarianism.
Whoever controls the media and the banks are the real power brokers, all the rest are just noise.
“We had a republic. We couldn’t keep it” . And that my friends just about sums it all up!!
Terminal madness.
With a big flashing neon exit sign too few pay attention to, eh Soup?
I’ll have to give you a real thumb’s up on handling this. He’s probably as close now to being red-pilled as he’ll ever be. As far as the coming crash, Charles Manson said that the day the grid stops working (I don’t think he used the word ‘grid’) and the televisions go dark, half the population will jump up and go stark raving crazy and the other half will just sit there waiting for the power to come back on. What will this guy do? What will you do? What will I do?
@ Aodh,
I’d like to think I know exactly what I will do. But, in truth, I only have some idea.
I see only two alternatives for our desperately dysfunctional government to yank the reigns on and increasingly restive populace that questions its authority to govern. Ignite a hot war with a nation-searing false flag that has a suddenly unified Congress declaring war – or take down the grid. Flip a coin. Either way, heads or tails, 99% of the sheeple will mew for Uncle Sam’s guiding hand and they’ll get it; Marshal Law.
Which means that whatever you have that gives you a survival advantage won’t be yours for long. Centralized governments prefer to steal by faucet-drip theft (multiple layers of taxes), but the NDAA is Uncle Sam’s hall pass to point a muzzle at every face and take everything it needs to shelter and feed those “sequestered” in pacified zones.
A hidey-hole stocked with guns and grits is a corner surrounded by paint. Eventually, it will be clear to everyone, blue and red, that our Federal Government is an instrument of tyranny against all of us. By then, most countries won’t be admitting American refugees who know that resurrecting our Republic’s respect for personal liberty and unassailable property rights is a fantasy.
The Unified Sissy Association (50 “Feed Me First” cafeterias) was built on personal responsibility and the courage to stand against corrupt governance. Those qualities have disappeared from the shelves of your local hardware store and have been banned by your City Council, State Legislatures, and the DC Swamp.
If the grid were to go down folks might benefit from a simple expedient few seem aware of. Back in the day tradesman like my uncle had an inverter/outlet for 110 volt stuff wired into their trucks. You don’t need to mess with a generator which will not run as long as an idling car or truck. Pull up next to the house and run your refrigerator or freezer or whatever for a while every few hours. It goes with you wherever you go too.
You won’t power a refrigerator or freezer with an inverter in a car or truck, but you can charge up your tracking device. I mean cell phone.
Carry on and arm up.
Yes you certainly can, it just requires a dedicated circuit from the battery using heavy gauge cable and its own fuse or breaker, then a pure sine wave inverter with a constant load rating of over 2kW and peak load over 4kW. Not difficult at all. And fuck sail fawns.
…and lots of gasoline to run the automobile motor.
And the only way to replenish the supply of gasoline–gas stations–will be out of service if the grid is down.
Refrigerators and freezers draw too many amps for your description of inverter and one battery won’t work either.
It will in the given scenario of a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle being used instead of a standalone generator. Basic family cars have at least 100 amp alternators. Most cars and trucks have larger alternators than that. It isn’t the single battery as that is merely the connection point easiest to access after the voltage regulator. There ain’t a fridge I’ve ever seen needs more than what an old Geo Metro could run with its alternator. I run my full size fridge and several lights, plus various minor accessories on a cheap harbor freight 3kW generator during hurricane season. It’s never come close to maxxing out the gen’s capacity. Using my cars as generators is the backup plan and I have tested it. Totally works.
Propane powered fridge/freezer. got one at my camp (Servel). Powered by a small flame, could even be a candle. Look it up.
Good one!
mark
Got one in our RV. Plus, I can run home refrigerator and freezer off of my 24 volt solar system… Chip
Dung-
Four paragraphicpiles of dung that has the sweet aroma of a piping hot home cooked meal on a cold day…..
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- a third way, of likely many, would be for our safety, of course; medical martial law…..CDC with the iron fist of the police state to enforce it’s mandates of quarantine, restricted travel, isolation/separation……?
It’s all been planned…….
Kinda like a tax revolt. Who goes first by not paying their taxes. Great way to become an object lesson in how the power of the state can squash you like a bug and a real eye opener about who will stand beside and support you in your actions.
My retreat in a Cascade mountain valley has a year-round lake, fed by two creeks, emptying into a larger creek on a steep gradient. Perfect for microhydro. Water is a $0 cost fuel for a turbine. Taxes = $168/year.
A “weekender” cabin, perched on top of a full height 200 SF concrete basement with a 2nd story is a lot more space than most pioneer families had. 200 SF buildings require no permit and add zero value to the tax base.
I’ll be glad to pay an annual $200 property tax to snore through the revolution.
If the grid goes down, nobody will be collecting taxes. Everybody will be trying to take whatever the government hasn’t already taken, from easiest victim.
I dunno, during the great depression, the banks and govt. still found you and took your property if you were late in payments, and that is without computers and a surveillance state.
My point exactly. In the 1930’s, 1/2 of rural homes didn’t have electricity and J. Edgar was still dressing dolls. Everything was done without a computer. In the 30’s G.D., property still had value and could be resold.
Grid Down = no property value unless it has fertile soil or a fish pond. Who will buy it; with what?
Won’t even engage anymore with people like that. For a couple reasons.
Debating, and making a strong case for my views and knowledge of facts is not a strong suit. We can always think of things later, that should have, could have been said, that would have made a great counter-point.
But typically, in real time, heated emotions overrule logic, reason, and quick wit.
Your story was interesting to read, Doug.
There are rare people who are good at rebutting, while engaging the rants of a Lib lunatic.
They are fun to watch, as they dismantle and frustrate the idiots, reducing them to angry souls.
You can almost see the steam coming out of ears, astride the furrowed brows and scowls.
But some, with all they’ve learned, are still not talented enough to win debates with the Libtards. So, we opt out.
Avoiding debate allows some semblance of social interaction without all the potential negative drama. Screw it. Rather just ignore their stupidity, their catch phrase, buzzword commentary, knowing it’s just memorized mantra they’ve heard from guzzling the Kool-Aid of the media input they absorb. Their ‘sources’ are in concert together.
Case in point. Was at a luncheon, surrounded by LibProg women. Two of which were married to each other.
Both of their mothers were present. Hillary was their gal. Trump is evil incarnate. You know the mindset type.
One of the millennial lesbos made a comment about a visiting a country subdivision, with the area being generally nice, except for seeing a Confederate flag flying.
A conservative among us made a passing comment about some houses waving more of those.
To which one of the Moms said those houses would do well to just be torched. WTF? A kid was in attendance.
So, the afterthought, days later was, “Last I checked, arson was a crime. And for what, a flag you find objectionable?
We won’t even try to re-educate you about Union vs. Confederacy, what started it, and the flag symbolism.
There are some who find the rainbow flag as representative of an objectionable lifestyle…always in the face of heteros, demanding respect, indoctrinating our youth, deviant behavior tolerance, etc.
Yet, if an extremist deplorable advocated torching houses that fly the rainbow, the ProgLib ‘tards would go apeshit, condemning all who are of the same political ideology. Ban them from any / every social media platform.
But, in their hypocrite brain, even if mentioned as a snarky comment, torching a Confederate flag waver’s home is something deemed acceptable, since they’re easily identified as racist threats to all Americans. Madness.
The saddest part? These are professional women, with educations. The millennial one was a school teacher, too.
They truly think that they are more intelligent than their perceived enemies, the traditionalist conservative types.
To them, everything they find objectionable, and every person they disagree with, has a name. A label. As a member of a group of things they find detestable. To be smeared, in almost any situation.
Turn it around 180, and conservative traditionalists have words describing the Prog-Libs, too.
Same coin, different sides.
A house divided, indeed.
This is a marriage that has morphed into a separation, with a bitter divorce to follow. Irreconcilable differences.
Furthermore, there are figurative kids involved, and property ownership and boundary lines at stake, in this fight.
Sad, to think that a divorced liberal woman has no use anymore for her traditionalist ex-husband.
Until the dark man predator comes calling, who hates them both. Who then, will be there to protect her?
I hear ya, Lager. Where does one even start and why bother
It’s getting late
You cannot reason with or reach the terminally brainwashed. Their minds are closed and will never open. Their self identity, their very existence is tied to their belief system. Take away their belief system and they collapse. Most people want the curtain over their eyes, they don’t want truth or reality, they WANT and need that curtain and will destroy anyone who pulls it away.
Well, for sure you can’t reason with them because you won’t try because you are not very good at supporting your BS. Maybe you can get better at it. Maybe you could try and be a little calmer, like Doug. Maybe you could be successful every now and then and maybe if you and others like you were successful every now and then those pesky “others” might just come to see the error of their ways and the beauty that is your way.
Just maybe.
Oh, silly me….you know me and are intimately aware of how I conduct my daily life. You are the perfect and shining example of how to reach out and change minds. Did you get the part how the Uncola didn’t change any mind and ultimately said fuck it, why bother? Probably not, you’re too busy climbing on your high horse and looking down on those you don’t know and making vapid assumptions. So, how many SJW’s views and actions have you changed?
Yes, Trump is known as The Donald but Doug is not called The Uncola.
mygirl actually lost the contest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYd8pWW9AxY
@ ECN:
Tut,tut. so now you’re a referee in a spitting match?
No, stupid, I meant you lost the beauty contest because you are a dumbass, you called doug ‘the Uncola’.
Well Golly, asshole, perhaps you should make yourself clearer? And The Uncola is wrong because?
Is that a question or merely Valley Girl uptalk?
Ah, and sadly I first believed you had a modicum of intelligence.
I know it would be redundant but isn’t “vapid” a required adjective when describing Valley Girls? mygirl probably doesn’t paint her face, and if shew does, it isn’t with the same attention she been paintballing yours.
Yeah! It’s a free country, right?
A couple. How about you sweety. I am not picking on you man. I am trying inspire you to take up your flag and to support your BS. I am hoping that if I can convince you to do it, then my couple of changed minds, along with Doug’s changed minds and your changed minds can actually drag us back from the brink of what ever comes out of where we are today. Either fascism, or communism as if there is any difference.
Nothing convinces an ideologue like STARVATION. When the tens of thousands of SJWs sit home, alone, STARVING after the Crunch (loss of faith in the currency, coming to your backwoods in the near future) they will have to wonder: I BELIEVED in the climate change madness. I BELIEVED in the Mueller Report exposing DJT’s obstruction. I BELIEVED in the Power of Mindless Chanting at the Demo Party rallies, sit-ins against “patriarchal oppression” and RACISM.
Why am I starving to death, slowly? Why doesn’t anyone come to my aid? Why won’t anyone buy my books of woke poetry and support my coffeeshop ballad ministry against HATE?
Only when the worm of hunger gnaws at their vitals will they BEGIN to consider: what if I were wrong? About some part of it? About … all of it?
And only then will the red-pill be effective.
Not gonna happen. Nearly two centuries of forced public schooling is un-eradicable.
@HR: Please, spare me your sanctimonious self righteousness. You haven’t the slightest idea of how or to whom I communicate with. And … please, quit sucking up to Doug. He was polite and attempted to diffuse a very loaded question. He was being goaded and tested and like he said, the jury is out with how he’ll relate with the guy going forward. He wasn’t pulling some kumbaya bullshit, let’s get along to get along crap. He was confronted and he was confronted by someone who could have been spoiling for a fight. Common sense states that you don’t antagonize a possible lunatic.
Snoop Doug was not outmatched, he could have taken down the libtarded lummox, notice that it was the Uncola who decided to demur.
The Uncola was filled with a seething rage, the kind of rage that happens when your brain overrules your body’s urge to kick the shit our of someone who desperately needs it. He had the perspicacity to control himself.
The urge to kick the shit out of somebody who needs it isn’t rage, it’s common sense with a purpose. People who need the shit kick out of them OUGHT to have the shit kicked out of them. Choosing to not be a shit-kicker doesn’t requires deep insight if you know you can be identified in a lineup.
Anybody know a cop with the perspicacity to control himself when somebody needs their ass kicked?
Love may fail but courtesy will prevail!
Yeah, I guess he isn’t really my girl. The dude’s kinda a dick.
It’s only unexplainable if you don’t know the bible, you don’t know Jesus.
Otherwise it’s totally understandable and predictable.
It’s coming. He’s coming. Be ready.
At the last trump. The trump of God.
What you are witnessing first hand is strong spiritual delusion, the product of a reprobate mind.
When we make a conscious, willful decision to disregard God’s Word, God’s way, God, knowing each person’s individual heart will at some point seal our free will choice of unbelief in Him.
It works both ways for ungodly liberal progressives, tradtional conservatives, and everyone else in between that reject Him and His free gift of salvation by grace and through faith in the substitutionary and resurrection of His only begotten Son Jesus the Messiah.
What is coming cannot be stopped by man. Only condemned or redeemed by God.
The only true question for each of us is what side of eternity are we on?
What’s wrong with your nation?
It rejected its God! ….& he left.
The Democrats offer nothing real except hate. They are Almost as bad as folks who blame Jews for all their problems.
Wait a minute! The Jews aren’t the cause of all our problems?
The only people being used by Putin are the ‘useful idiots’ in the Democrat Party who swallowed the Russian disinformation dossier hook, line and sinker. But that’s no surprise, they’ve been the reliable tools of Russia since WWII.
Doug. I have not finished reading all of the comments yet but I am sure that they are glowing. But let me point out a couple of things. First off, you were trying to RED pill him, he was trying to BLUE pill you. I know it’s a small distinction in a well crafted offering but the reason that I bring it up is that your story, be it fact or fiction, is at the heart of what I have been banging on about. You can only change the mind of a human being by talking to them. It will be your ideas that change their world view, or their ideas that change yours. Oh and there is nothing wrong with both minds being changed a bit.
Your bud had his own interpretation of what was going on, and you had another. He expressed his thoughts, and you expressed yours. In the end, if you related the story as it actually occurred, then I would suggest that you might have introduced him into a greater world. Well, maybe not greater because of course, none of us agree most of the time and frequently our arguments are much more heated than the one that you had with your acquaintance. He asked your opinion because he wanted to hear what you had to say. He brought it up. He sees the cracks in the walls that surround the criminals. He wants to understand but his training holds him back. You relate a story of his awakening. You accomplished this awakening by being willing to confront him in a calm controlled manner. This is exactly what I have been saying we all should be doing. You don’t change minds by yelling. You change minds by offering alternatives to the reality that is expressed. You are the rock in the sea. They are the waves. They race across the ocean to find you standing in their path and they hurl themselves upon you trying to tear you down, but you are the rock. It is they who split. It is they who see their energy dissipate. (And yes, I know that the constant action of the waves will wear upon the rock, but not today. Not today.
You did exactly the right thing in exactly the right way. I charge each of you to follow in Doug’s footsteps. Seek out your enemy. Have prepared your thoughts. Remain calm. Be the rock.
It’s apparent you haven’t attempted too many mind changes with true dyed in the wool liberals. You like getting physically attacked? Guess who does the attacking when they hear something they don’t like spoken in a calm voice.
You also seem to have missed the actions of those reasonable folk when they attack conservatives on campus. Bet you have a Coexist bumper sticker.
So I don’t know where you live, but I live in Southern California. With the exception of San Francisco, with it’s overwhelmingly gay population, there are few more liberal places than LA. Practically everybody that I interact with is liberal. Hell, I worked at Disney for 24 years. Half of the employees are gay and extremely liberal. Having said that, I can’t think of a single time that any of those people ever made me feel uncomfortable and I never felt that I was likely to be physically attacked. Maybe you have.
I, like you, have seen the violent nature of antifa. I personally don’t live close enough to Berkley to interact with violent leftists and I have never actually met a violent leftist. But I have met many non-violent leftists. My experience has been that civil people can have a civil discussion with people who disagree with them. Perhaps that has not been your experience.
Still, my contention is that if you don’t at least try to talk to them then you can never hope to change their minds.
You make an assumption that I don’t talk to leftists. I live with them, and they’ve gotten violent when disagreed with. You are correct in assuming that my experience differs from yours. I have also reached the point where I don’t really care what they think: East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.
I do find it interesting that you seem to have singled me out to lecture. Why is that? And I’m not being accusatory here, I’m genuinely curious.
All of my comments have been in response to you. It was not I who set upon you. But here at TBP an active rebutted is expected and encouraged. No offense is taken on my part.
Well, yes, I do believe you have responded to my comments and I also know because one can scroll up and down here that you first went after me by chastising me for not attempting to reason with the unreasonable. As to rebuttals, I relish the good fight and a worthy opponent.
No, his bumper sticker reads:
My truck is lifted ’cause fat girls can’t jump.
Thank you, HR. I appreciated that. Very much.
It brought to mind something I heard someone say one time. It was similar to this:
“Communication is the lifeblood of any relationship and once blocked, or abandoned, the relationship dies.”
Looking back, there were some other details I left out for brevity. For example, when I showed up, he said he forgot our appointment and, as I mentioned above, he seemed very agitated. When I asked if we should reschedule he said “Oh no! Not at all! This is fine!” in (what seemed to me) a phony “over-the-top” way.
Then, later, he told me his plans had changed which pretty much negated my need to be there in the first place.
So, in summary, I confirmed a time to meet at his initial request, he forgot the meeting and in the few days interim, refused to let me know his situation had changed which was our primary reason for getting together. WTF
Although I thought all of that was baffling -(& since we were not doing business) it was forgivable and I was glad to see what he was up too with the new place. Not a big deal and in the initial awkwardness of getting to know someone, there are often the usual and expected bumps along the way.
In the end, however, given his state of agitation and our not knowing each other overly well, I decided to play it as delineated above.
Even so, as the days went on afterward, I began to think about it all and became progressively more pissed. Uh, oh. My mind can be like a pit bull’s bite at times and it will take me into dark places if I’m not careful. So I wrote this last night and felt better immediately. I added the epilogue around 1:30 AM and can now move on. Plus, I always enjoy the commentary from the readers here; present company included.
It’s good to you’re all out there.
“And, from the first moment I saw him standing in the doorway that day…”
Well written article, thanks! Lesson learned was to reply to targeted barbs with unconventional responses. This allows the conversation to linger a bit longer, but in the end, the insanity spews forth and it is best to move out of the way to avoid the projectile derangement.
And maybe even projectile displacement.
I’m afraid that might be the real Uncola. No wonder the missus put him in the doghouse several miles from the homestead.
And I’m afraid your fears are well-founded, my friend. But I’m trying over here. Really trying. 🙂
You are rocking the Casbah.
Doug –
This is one of those articles that, to me, “reads” shorter than it actually is. It’s brevity is misleading, in that, well, you use the word “echo” but I feel like I took a bite and then another and another, and an hour later, I’m still chewing.
How are we to have a discussion regarding facts with “open-minded” people who are not open to intellectual discourse? If certain questions elicit a hostile reaction, what recourse is there?
I don’t know. But I have an idea where/when this started to get out of control: the Telecommunications Act of 1996 allowed for the massive centralization of the communications industry, after which everybody bought everybody and apparently, Disney owns them all. So the media in this country is literally a Mickey-Mouse operation. Anyway, if there were more than 6 (or is it 5 now) companies in charge of everything we see, hear, read on the TV, radio, or “newspapers” this brainwashing (LIE, LIE, RINSE, REPEAT) that we are living is not happening.
So, just as the Interstate Banking Act of 1994 allowed for the centralization of the banking system, and, in conjunction with the Repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999, opened the door for the financial crisis of 2008, I think the Telecom act opened the door for the social/cultural collapse that we are living now. And it’s been ongoing for twenty years already, getting worse and worse. . . talking heads babble on, babble on, babylon.
http://archive.fo/ZSjnU
This article and the comments are why I came to this site. Once upon a long time ago, Zerohedge was like this. Sadly, it has devolved to the point where I read the articles and skip the comments.
“Once upon a long time ago..”
I can tell this is not a modern fairy tale.
Au contraire mon Frere, this is indeed a modern fairy tale, it just happened a long time ago.
You’ve both agreed to not agree?
“He was too far gone and it’s too late for him anyway. Or maybe I just didn’t give a shit. I’m still not sure.”
That happens, doesn’t it… at each and every opportunity. Decisions to be made. Seems you made the correct call with this one. They are worth the effort until they are not.
“What is happening to our nation? It’s unexplainable.”
It is explainable though and rather easily at that.
2 Tim 3:13… “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
The evil will continue (and along with it, the opportunity of salvation from wrath (and so much more) by grace alone) until God puts a stop to all of it.
Past (Genesis – Acts)
Present (Romans – Philemon)
Future (Hebrews – Revelation)
The Bible is a (capitol “T” truth) timeline with a beginning, middle and end. “Prophesy… (mystery) …prophesy fulfilled.”
You are here —-> “mystery” (Romans – Philemon)
1 Cor 2:7-8… “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
Thank you Father for crucifying your Son. Thank you for sending Paul to explain it all.
You do realize Stucky that sin is mans fault, not Gods; and it will be eradicated at some point in the future… The flood stands as a preview of wrath to come. Will you learn from it? He created this world to be “very good” and we, with satan’s eager assistance, screwed it up. It will be very good once again as one does not mess with the Most High God.
Romans 5:12 KJB… “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Appreciate the kind thoughts as always.
Romans 5:21 KJB… “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Well when does boat sail.
Sure glad that the Lawd is gonna save me too.
And yeah feel honoured (spelled right by the way)
I’m up for that!
As for GCP, isn’t he amazing. He can be counted on, to drone on, quoting scripture, while chiding the unwashed with some unearned privilege.
His words not his own and taken gratuitously from a book written long ago.
There is much that is hypocritical in his untenable position.
Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
So there you have it folks! Who knew that GCP was a man da Lawd singing kumbaya from the same book as Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and a host of others on the left…
Next week the news will be out that he is a Commie!
Could there be evidence of that as well..
Maybe..
Acts 2:44-45
And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.
cuz it’s in da BOOK!
The thing is RiNS, one has to know how to read the book for it to make sense. It’s what most here (and everywhere) miss. It is otherwise an extremely powerful weapon which satan uses very effectively against mankind. He plays us like the selfish fools most of are.
Nice false tweet or whatever…
Gee Thanks Man!
He sez…
one has to know how to read the book
I’m trying to think of the words that need saying….
goes something like this…
In other words, the most important message – ever – to God’s creation is something that requires SPECIAL knowledge on how to read it. Let that shit sink in. I mean, if the message is so important, so crucial for our eternal, everlasting life, why wouldn’t it be dead simple to comprehend? (Hint: it’s made up).
God is a real dick.
Actually, it was a mystery hid in God, but now it’s not. It’s written for anyone to see. So basically… just the opposite of what you’re saying is actual.
Ephesians 3:1-4 KJB… “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)”
just like the chocolate bar floating in that pool..
want some!
What – no Dark & Lovely?
I’m sure God favors Boomers so your fabulous plan has a chance. However, aside from the obvious problems with your plan, have you even checked to see if said women would be willing to re-populate the earth, that’s quite a job. Also, I like you Stuck but If I have to live out the rest of my life with Yokes in attendance, no dice. Besides, he’s the 8th person, that’s not biblical – it should only be 7 people.
Nice that you decided to take a pass..
You should be okay cuz a little water ain’t gonna stop you anyways..
You should be able to find three meals a day…
EC- I’m pretty sure The Lawd is not going to pick RiNS or Stucky for the modern day Noah remake. No offense to them but Ummm…..no. Also, you need young women to repopulate.
Young women? Normally that would be the case but in this era of test tube babies and women over sixty giving birth to their son’s child….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm0OAJXu0c
Because, between them, they don’t have two worms for the Ark?
“have you even checked to see if said women would be willing to re-populate the earth,”
Irrelevant. We don’t need their cooperation, just their vaginnies — and if by force, so be it.
Include me out, I don’t want to live in a place full of Odinistas.
a place full of Odinistas.. lol!
Aww come on Man! But if you want to pluck harps on clouds see be it.
Can’t really fault a guy for that.
Sounds like so much fun…
Anyhoo if yer not going I would vote for MC or Scrabble
Or maybe mygirl as she has spunk and would make good Vikings!
Liar. I saw you on PH, strapped face up to a shield, with Liana Odindottir on top, twerking a reverse cowgirl.
,,,
hey I thought that wuz our secret!
although Liana wuz working that twerkin’ pretty good eh!
If it was a secret, I deserve a downthumb from Liana
lol
I know I am just a puppy here at TBP and know my place among the pack, but no HSF??? Shame.
Stuck – you would not save me? Well that sucks. I will remember that when God annoints me the person to decide who gets on the Ark and who gets to swim for forty days and forty nights. And I understand that the water is too deep even for you on your tip toes.
All the time I have stood up for you around here, and you would not save me. That hurts.
Or maybe Stucky didn’t want the genetic competition in repopulating the earth so that’s why he sent us all to heaven. Notice he and admin still have their wives and the other three get DD. She’s gonna be busy. Unless everyone shares. My God, it would be like ancient Rome except soon populated with giant 7 ft Austrians sporting New Jersey accents. But the annual Feast of March Madness would be epic.
I prayed about the list diligently. God whispered those names to me while I was sleeping. So, don’t blame me …. blame G-D !!!
Nevertheless, I interceded for you once again in a marathon prayer session. I have Good News for you. You are in!!
Admin is out …. because God said Admin wouldn’t allow others to access Avalon (you know, to repopulate the earth). God also told me to tell you to not worry about your Erectile Dysfunction thingy … in the new earth he will fix it and even double it’s size to 4 inches.
Treble its size.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COOiV2teMeo
Rob, you know how much I like BPS. This particular one is a perfect match to Doug’s post today. BPS ends with IF. If is not something that is handed to you. It is something that you must do. You yourself, me, all of us. If you won’t engage in the discussion, then nothing will happen and you will loose. We can not be successful by being cowards. We can not prevail IF we hide or run away.
I have a Brother who would be a Bernie Sanders Socialist if living in USA..
For him anyone to the Right of Mao are to be held in contempt.
Incapable of running the country.
Makes for great family get together s!
Its past time for worry
No need to hide or run away.
Why not just mock them.
It might be only reason
For the Right left to stay
I saw this earlier today..
More Progressive Doublethink…
Antifa Professor and peace activist advocating for more violence..
Kinda like Orwell’s Big Brother if he had a little Sista!
April 24th @VillanovaU
So Brave!
That face.
She looks like Henry Rollins in drag.
She does! Too funny…
Shit man, I grew up on Henry.
I got a six pack and nothing to do
I got a six pack and I don’t need you
High school memories man, thanks/
Oh the irony, the Center for Peace and Justice Education hosting a presentation demonstrating how to combine combative activism with nonviolent activism. These people are beyond confused, they are walking contradictions with absolutely no sense of humor or irony.
B.P. is right on regarding the First Amendment.
And, now this from the following Politico article….
‘This is risky’: Trump’s thirst for Mueller revenge could land him in trouble
But Politico never allows their readers to know what Trump’s exact Tweets said.
Isn’t that interesting?
Because wouldn’t inquiring minds want to know?
Why not?
Terrific story, Doug.
Substitute My Seester for your friend — and you have an idea of the Trials & Tribulations of which I suffer.
Ah, you too? I have a seester and a brother who are awash in liberality. Trump colluded with the Russians, he’s a racist and CNN is the veritable fountain of truth. I used to attempt to communicate via facts and information and that didn’t dent the cognitive dissonance and resulted in a grand schism.
Mygirl,
I guess it’s as Uncola says, our “movies playing in our minds”
And I guess by your comment above anyone who points out Trump’s elitist ties, rhetoric and talk along with his ignorant blanket statements about Mexicans being “rapists and criminals” then I must be lumped in with the libtards?
C’mon man!!!
When someone says this,
He “assumes” that “some” are food people…
His elitist hubris seeps out in such comments…. holding such a high position of power such as President of the United States of America, and saying such things makes the rest of us look like bigots and idiots…
Let us not forget Trump’s campaign rhetoric speaking Truth about the cooked booked unemployment numbers
And yet, now President Trump on Easter no less boasts
Talk about cognitive dissonance and delusional anyone who thinks Trump has our best interest in mind….and by our I refer to the 99% of us who are not part of George Carlins proverbial Big Club needs their head examined.
Get real people!
Pshaw, Trump is another new boss same as the old boss, However, he didn’t collude with Putin, Russian gate was a scam created by the Clinton campaign and The Clinton News Network does nothing but spew anti Trump propaganda 24/7
Agreed!
Buy more ammo
Time for talk is over. Don’t kid yourselves the progs will steal from you, put you in prison and kill you. They do it everywhere and every time they get enough power. This thread is just intellectual gymnastics.
You may be right, OtC regarding the intellectual gymnastics. But, that said, I don’t believe the time for talk is over…. yet. Soon, though. Soon.
The time for talk isn’t over yet, but it might as well be because further talk isn’t going to accomplish anything. Neither side is going to convert to the other side in any significant numbers, if at all. The only talk from this point forward should be how to accomplish a divorce. (See my comment below).
…….and the ones who are insane are the Liberals!!!!!!!!! Really sad that there are people in America like that Dude. No wonder people in Germany followed Hitler!!!
No wonder people in Rome flock to see the pope.
Doug, well put “We’re a nation divided. I mean, if you watch MSNBC and Fox News on any given night it’s like two trains going in opposite directions… and a divided nation won’t stand”.
You are right that it won’t stand. Sooner or later, probably sooner, a split is going to happen, probably accompanied by a civil war. It would be nice if enough people could figure out that that is going to happen, and try to do it peacefully instead of waiting until a civil war starts, but unfortunately I don’t think that is going to happen.
Uncola,
Thank you for sharing your personal encounter. I have learned to remain calm in the face of hubris, arrogance, ignorance and delusions but the attrition suffered can ware on you.
I applaud your mentioning of the film The Matrix. Whenever I talk to people and mention the film and people have never seen it, I am flabbergasted!
Truly a MUST WATCH JUST LIKE V for Vendetta that admin has written several articles about! I suppose the ironic thing about the movies is the fact that they were written and directed by individuals formerly known as the Wachowski Brothers (circa 2010), now known as the Waxhowskis, Lilly and Lana.
Conundrums abound.
I always try and give anyone who will listen a different set of sunglasses to look through a la the cult classic They Live!
Keep on keeping on, MAN!
I hope another tale is in order about this friend as I hope he begins his decent down the rabbit hole like many of us here on TBP have.
Great piece, Doug. Remember, however, red-pilling someone (or oneself for that matter) is a PROCESS, there are no words, no arguments, no facts, no reason, no common sense, nothing that can make is happen in a single conversation. I think you sensed, on some level, that this person had hope….and maybe that’s why you went “easy” on him. Nobody has ever convinced anyone of anything by first calling that person an idiot.
“The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”
-Thomas Sowell
This is the fundamental issue, or part of the fundamental issue. The other part is that whenever ANYONE reads that quote, yup, that’s what people do, all right. No me, of course, I’m as rational as the day is long.
Bullshit of the highest order. Our subconscious minds run huge arrays of incredibly complex code that is ancient, primal, powerful and hidden. These systems can overwhelm the rational systems with such ridiculous ease, it’s like Lebron playing basketball against a toddler. And it’s true for all of us, no matter how rational we may think ourselves.
The best we can do is to take Jung’s advice and begin the long, difficult task of examining the endless, dark depths of our psyche.
“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.” – Carl Jung
Uncola meets his doppelganger:
“I paused for a moment, sizing him up. He was middle-aged. Caucasian. Buzz-cut, but mostly bald. A little shorter than me. Stocky like a bulldog.”
lol and copies are never as good as the original
Doug…buy more ammo .
You all are worried about the wrong thing. There is a measles epidemic, dontcha know?
Please feel free to continue your arguing. I will be quarantining myself until this epidemic passes.
I had the measles in 1959 missed 2 weeks of school my experience, measles is better than 4th grade. good luck.
Great piece, Uncola. Personally I’m impressed you hung in there with this guy as long as you did.
I had a long conversation with a young woman last week. She’s an extremely bright, attractive, and technically competent person who is trying to save all her and her families old home videos to digital media.
She was quite loquacious, and as we talked I learned rather a bit about her, including the fact she’d graduated from a Jesuit university, and then spent a year abroad teaching English at a Jesuit-run school in Thailand. She said her only regret about the job was that she didn’t stay at least another year.
She also brushed very briefly across the topic of her boyfriend, in that she was so happy to talk to me because I was obviously (to her, this is her speaking) very smart, smarter than her even (!), and she loved words, she said, “I am a very wordy person” (verbatim), and she wished her boyfriend was more … communicative.
She’d asked him for a letter as a Christmas gift to her — and four months later, he still hadn’t written her one, but she still kept up hope that he would. She said he was a really sensitive guy, he kept everything inside, she wanted him to open up to her, reveal himself.
I asked who her favorite authors are, what were her favorite books.
She doesn’t really have any. She doesn’t remember any authors’ names, and the last book she read (she thinks) was some popular best seller, while on vacation a while back.
I mentioned some of the writers and poets whom I love. She’d never heard of Raymond Chandler. She had no clue that Rainer Maria Rilke was even a man, much less a poet.
She knew nothing of Marcus Aurelius, of G.K. Chesterton, of Thomas Merton, of C.S. Lewis. I said I found it fascinating that she’d graduated from a top-caliber Jesuit school, with an education that had the street value of almost a quarter of a million dollars, without even had a passing introduction to any of these writers. She bristled rather at this, and said, quote, “My intelligence has nothing to do with my education.”
She then told me, in detail, of how smart she was, how hard she worked, how she succeeded at everything she put her mind to, and how she never made mistakes — or, if she made a mistake, she was able to rectify it pretty much instantly.
I said that was very impressive. I asked her if her boyfriend ever made any mistakes, if he could talk about them with her.
At this point she told me she was busy with something work related, and had to go. She wished me a Happy Easter.
I don’t know her boyfriend’s name, but I’ll try to remember to say a prayer for him…
Dear God, i too shall say a prayer for the poor guy. And, here’s the point, she doesn’t realize how ignorant she truly is.
Onnie is showing off just like faggoty idiots who drop Diderot or Voltaire in online conversations. Here’s a clue, Onnie, Chandler is no literary light, he wrote detective stories back in the day. Why not cite William Burroughs or Charles Bukowski?
“The more I read, the more I acquire, the more certain I am that I know nothing.”
― Voltaire 😉
“All I know is that I know nothing” – Socrates
You know less than nothing and by Golly, you prove it with every post. Adios Chica.
Finally, ‘mygirl’ is leaving!
mygirl – you are starting to lose brownie points. You are proving to be quite annoying. Your faux intellectualism is wearing thin. So far you post a lot, but have added little. But you have promise.
Maybe you can lift your game before getting into a war with EC, who is a major player around here, with great insights, a tremendous sense of humor, and a unique perspective on things.
Take this as good advice.
Your assessment of EC is dead on; nobody makes me laugh harder with his salty critiques and out-of-the-box one-liners. That take superior intellect, a wide and deep range of knowledge, clever creativity, and a “surprise attack” approach, usually from a flank I didn’t know I had exposed.
Don’t know why El Coyote would wear a Hurricane Nigger mask, but he wears it well.
But I also admire mygirl’s pluck. She doesn’t need anyone’s blessing to contribute her thoughts, and if you’ve allotted too much time reading the library shelf she filled with responses to this article, why are you wasting your time reading her comments?
“Less is more” can be a difficult lesson to learn, but more isn’t, by itself, a thumbs-down; just because one is a newbie.
Your verdict, “You’re losing brownie points” but, you “show promise”… doesn’t have a Goddamn thing to do with why we’re here.
TBP may well be the last bastion of free speech and yet you appear to be implying that response rights are limited to those who have shown deference, kowtowing to the knighted cadre of old-time TBP’ers?
mygirl is entitled, with or without your blessing, to post however much she likes. So far, I’ve enjoyed her comment tremendously, especially when she twists somebody’s panties into a knot. It’s what we do, really, to earn our “street cred”
mygirl has been getting a ton of upthumps and I’ve no doubt that only her perspicuity has stopped her from dipping her middle finger in ghost chili salsa and tickling your winker.
He can be a real ass and he’s not always right.
Even if he is me and MC and probably you too.
In a grad school class, I made a profoundly clever comment about Harper Lee and To Kill a Mockingbird. Except I called the author “he.” And one of the young’uns in the class made fun of me.
I pulled a 341 for insubordination.
Airman, gimme a 341.
Ah, the stupid dipshit chimes in with it’s two cents worth of ersatz erudition. Here, have some Joseph Conrad, or maybe Ian Fleming or, God forbid. Umberto Eco.
You’re too dismissive of Conrad, he doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with Fleming. Who’s the bitch now, huh?
I swear, Conrad is my only man-crush, except you.
Even without an ESL class, he sparkled, but I’ll spread for any good nautical tail.
I’m tempted to agree with you here, but maybe mygirl is just scared of the sea.
Ah Maggie, it’s always fun when you choose a new name. But you can’t disguise your writing style, or lack thereof.
Whatever, Hollywood Moron.
And now you switch to your beaner persona. And all of these poor folks thought that you were a real woman.
and then I got it through the eyes:hatred,
centuries deep and true.I was wrong and graceless and
sick.all the things I had learned had been wasted.
there was no creature living as foul as I
and all my poems were
false.
Sounds like this guy is a butt fucker and would love our dear queer prospect in Pete from Indiana. Best to leave him in his dreams.
Apparently Gavin Newsom, nominal governor of California, is perplexed by people referring to California as Beanerfornia.
It is rather odd, as we call it Wetbackistan.
Presumably, the plan is to import 20 million more Mexicans to study the issue.
No need to import, the feds will drop them off.
mygirl,
From whence do you hail? I believe I found this place via ZH (or maybe Steve Quayle’s site?) many moons ago. Have you been here long? Of course none of my biz, but was just curious. Ain’t no thang.
I’m a commenting newbie who decided to dip a toe into the waters here. Like many I lurked and read but never commented until recently. I like the commnts section, lots of tit for tat and Admin has one of the few places where one can comment open forum. I also like the intelligence I find common to most posters.
I hail from South Central Tejas. You?
Glad you’re here and decided to join the party. Seriously. I live just a little bit down the road from my neighbor’s place. Lol
One time I asked a guy where he worked and he said: “I got a job pretty high up working with my brother.” Not kidding.
The chans have the anons. We have the uns. ?
No kidding?
“I like the commnts section, lots of tit”
Are you a dyke?
Ah Cabron, you again? You are trying too hard. Tsk, too bad there isn’t an ignore feature, you are worthy of such.
Mygirl,
No ignore button needed here on TBP,
If you don’t like a comment, scroll past it…
Don’t go full blown Millenial on us and try and block us because you don’t agree with us or can’t take some shit being thrown at cha.
It happens to us all,don’t feel that you are unique in this regard…
Don’t be a snowflake!
She’s got spunk EC. Pokin’ coyotes and big dogs.
I vote she stays on the island.
He’s like an inspector, mygirl, testing for freshness.
when I first got here I was advised by the regulars to sit back and learn some of the subtleties. There’s a lot to see below the surface. But I didn’t listen and learned the hard way. Not for the faint of heart. Just sayin’.
BTW my guess is that Maggie’s older than your grandma. Maybe not
but when she comes back around, it will be clear as day. Just not as obvious.
Uncolluding, Maggie is actually younger than me. I’d say she isn’t even 60 yet. So, unless your granny married at 12 in Appalachia…
I’ll take ape tit for $500, Alex!
‘michica’, last time I looked, Tamaulipas was in Mexico. While I applaud your success with the caravan, I hope you will do the right thing and take a low wage job in hotel room cleaning. You can’t expect KaD’s mom to do it all.
It says a lot that you chose a moniker that sounds a like Mexica (meh-she-kah) aka the Aztecs.
The sharks around here are gonna bite your toe off all the way up to your bellybutton if you keep stirring shit. Learn first, stir shit second.
What is it that I am to learn.? Seriously. Is there a secret and arcane knowledge that must be acquired ? Please help me out here.
Here’s a couple tips, from a 2 year monkey who has been welcomed, but certainly not with kid glove treatment. I’ve had my chops busted on numerous occasions. EC and Llpoh have excellent BS detectors.
RiNS, too. Tough love, and all that malarkey.
In the Search field, find “10 Rules for Newbies” as authored by Stucky. It’s about 1 or 2 years old, but it offers some good guidelines.
Any post from the past also usually contains great commentary from former and current regulars, with longstanding members sometimes known as Big Dog Regyoolahs.
I’d list them, but that would suggest rankings, and anyone left off a list might get the sadz, possibly feeling left out. (sarc)
See, too, Admin’s “What TBP Means To Me” and the commentary there.
Respect w/ commentary toward BDRs, without sucking up.
-Bring your A-game, but with a thick skin. Little tolerance here for idiots.
Trolls and snowflakes get hammered, mercilessly. They then slink away.
-Avoid personal, ad hominem attacks.
-Likewise, use caution when tempted to spout self perceived wisdom.
-Apologize, if need be.
-Humor, compliments, playful insults add spice to the fare.
-Substantiate claims or facts with sources, instead of relying on hearsay.
Most important: Send Admin a donation periodically. The blog needs support from ALL participants, since the Ad revenue dried up.
It’s not Politically Correct, and doesn’t censor anybody for anything, and that freedom requires funding to keep it running. Various payment options.
Every little bit helps. Suggested: $50, $100, more or less; as often as possible.
The only ones who get bounced are arrogant assholes who try repeatedly to promote their own website with constant links to alternative blogs.
Cheers.
~
that’s funny.
Borrowed that one from RiNS.
See that? Credit, where credit is due.
Common occurrence round here. A rare word, catch-phrase, or cliche that fits will be penned, and just days later, another writer will find it works for them too, like a reliable tool from the vocabulary box.
Communion = things in common
mygirl
just be genuine.. and don’t be afraid to have a laugh at your own expense..
and say nice things aboot me once in a while…
if you can
it wont cost a thing
I promise..
p.s.
and don’t mind Hollywood..
he is just salty cuz he didn’t get a seat in boat..
and you are in luck!
seems EC has a thing against Odinistas and Yoke
so yer welcome to come when the SHTF..
dein freund
RiNS
What the hell does “dein freund” mean? Write English or don’t write at all.
“Your friend”. German.
You must develop faultless intuition that tells you who is wearing underwear that you can throw at a wall, and be sure that it will stick.
Dammit, looks like I’m gonna lose the bet. If mygirl is indeed Maggie as Hollywood suggests, she’ll stick around. If not, mygirl is starting to look like burnt toast.
Mygirl, stop responding to every quip AND stop complaining. You’re gonna take some lumps whether you like it or not.
Wipper, Maggie (DD) has brains, mygirl (HR) is stupid.
mygirl is definitely not Maggie. mg is from texas and is a very talented painter. shes provided her identity but i won’t say how because maybe she doesn’t want to be outed.
to the other anon’s great advice above i would only change these things;
ad hominem attacks are useful as long as the ad hominia is obvious to the other readers. this is why it takes time to know who is engaging. don’t apologize or you’ll regret it later.
yeah, you’re right. my bad. sorry.
fuck.
nevermind.
apology retracted.
ad hominem subtracted.
profanity flies
among all the spies
comments shall go unredacted.
dickheads and witches
keep me in stitches
funnier jokes
personal pokes
Admin needs cash, you bitches.
Thanks. I mean that from the bottom of my lone star.
Methinks Hollywood Rob protests too much. mygirl ran away and HR’s fangs came out. This may be a modern case of Sybil or Psycho.
Sure Maggie. Keep at it. You already admitted that EC was a creation of your fevered mind.
While I appreciate the nod, I want to state I still am rooting for mygirl to get with the program. And I don’t think mygirl is Yertle.
Shhhh
Until career CRIMINAL Killary Rotten Felon, a pathological lying/klepto, serial murdering, int’l grifting, shape-shifting, sulphur-breath, tail dragging Hildabeast is imprisoned for the remainder of “its” despicable existence, the USA remains [an] “Unjust Sick Abomination”.
Henceforth you shall be dubbed AMENYMOUS.
Triage. Only one category gets attention.
Doubly hard when the injuries are invisible.
237 comments so far and 137 of them are from Maggie and her head full of lunatics. He sweety, I count 5 different aliases. Did I miss anybody?
Everybody I don’t like is Maggie
Yes Maggie, that is certainly true. And yet, you won’t own the number of aliases that you use and you still carry on conversations between the aliases in the comment section. That is psychotic. Please seek help, and not from one of your imaginary friends.
No wonder you and mygril carried on all day yesterday, your both stupid. I have often admitted and listed the various monikers I use and even cleverly disguised them with EC. You are stupider than mygirl, maybe you are mygirl. I bet you had fun talking to yourself. What was it Napoleon said – never interrupt an enemy while he’s jacking off? Carry on, mygirl.
Maggie, your great sin is that you are boring. Your characters, as you have called them, do not add anything to the conversation. You and your characters clog up the conversation making it difficult to come to a consensus. Of course, that could be your intention. Maybe you provide the exact same function as that asshole on Zero Hedge who floods the comment section of every post with fishing links. Hell, you could be that asshole. How could we tell? You, just as he does, change your name with almost every post. You appear to sit up all night waiting to make a pity rejoinder. When nobody bites on your blather you spend line after line responding to the other voices that you hear in your head.
So when you are trolling on Zero Hedge you are trying to get people to click on your links. When you are trolling on TBP, you are attempting to clog up the conversation so no progress can be made. You are the constantly yapping dog that runs around the house shitting on the carpet. All noise and fury and bad smells contributing nothing. You are the reason that Zero Hedge went from open comments to comments behind a click. I don’t really care about reading the comments on ZH, but I do want to read the comments here on TBP. You and your menagerie make that almost impossible.
I realize that you might not even be one person, there could be a room full of you. You and your buddies could be in India. You could be Estonia or England. You could be pretty much anywhere and none of us would ever be able to tell. But I don’t think that is the case. I think that you are a lone, cuck, SJW in your mothers basement fighting the good fight. I think that your babbling is crafted carefully to blunt the growing mass of people who have been red pilled. By and large, it doesn’t work but one could argue that people have given up on TBP because they couldn’t tolerate your incessant drivel. Once they have given up they no longer engage in the conversation. Once their voice has been silenced your work has born fruit.
That’s what I think. Of course, you could be living in Oklahoma, but my money is on Valencia where the SJWs live in droves. I wouldn’t be surprised if you lived in Beverly Hills, but I am pretty sure that you don’t live in East LA. After that, I might even say San Francisco and that you work for Zuckerberg. That would actually make more sense than your endless tales of bunnies and wounds and AWACS.
You are loonie tunes, bud. I never posted anywhere other than TBP. If you think the purpose of this blog is for people to come to a consensus, you are out of your mind. You need to review the 10 rules for noobs and the article – what TBP means to me.
You are lost in the wilderness seeking to link monikers. You would profit more from searching for answers on Q posts. Really, you are wasting your valuable time here. Ex-squid who became an imagineer. Now you imagineer that everybody who uses a new moniker is Maggie. Why not Mickey or Minnie or Donald?
Do you know why I suggested you use Hollywood Rob? Because it must have been embarrassing for RiNsE to read your drivel fearing anybody would think it was his. He was just too nice to ask you to cease and desist. Do me a favor and piss off, take mygirl with you.
Perfect. You have now outed yourself. This is what I have been picking at you for the entire time. You have now admitted that EC, El Coyote, Maggie and a much longer list of false names are all you. I knew if I picked at you long enough you would do more than just trip up. Now it is almost impossible for anyone to claim that you are a real person. It is impossible for Stucky to claim that you are a woman. It is impossible for anyone to be confused by your deceit because you yourself have admitted that a large portion of the commenters on TBP are in fact one person.
Not very bright there bud. Do you want to take the next step and tell us who you really are, or are you just going to double down and keep up the lie to everybody. And how can you insist that I am mygirl? You are mygirl. Now we all know it and you know it. Give it up dude. You are really not smart enough for this. Try McDonald’s. I am pretty sure that you don’t have the education required to get a job at Starbucks.
“You are mygirl.”
I ain’t your bitch, dude. Please get help. You are lost in a mystery of your own making, I have not concealed anything, I have made it patently obvious that I am EC in most if not all of my comments. I can’t help you if you are so easily lost.
What do you call Hollywood Rob after he closes his eyes and turns around?
Lost.
Annnd HR is…
queue the credits…
This episode is ovah!
But you are my bitch you sleazy cunt. And you know it.
I’m rootin’ for mygirl. Just sayin’
my girl is absolutely not maggie. maggies writing and content is obvious. even when she tried to change her stripes as agnes it was clear as day. my girl has revealed her identity which proves her naivete and vulnerability here. my girl lives down by the border. maggie is from the ozarks. dd is not naive. just crazy.
Doubling down are we! Proof positive of your SJW origins. Sorry Maggie, Anon37568, mygirl, and any other name that you choose to hide behind, you will always be El Coyote to me.
She doesn’t live in South Texas, she said she hails from there. Yeah, right.
Hollywood is using that old trick called ‘reverse psychology’ in an attempt to force everybody to disclose their identity. Get a job at FB, Hollywood.
Methinks HR is loco!
Maggie as wee wuz ….. It all doesn’t matter anymore. Your scam has been outed. You are exposed. And you have been nasty and ignorant about it. See ya round mygirl.
Still, as you obviously have no intention of stopping I would like to know which name you would prefer to be called in the future. Or do you self identify as schizophrenic and demand the right to be called by which ever name is currently in use. I have to admit that I am very likely not going to be able to keep up with your delusion, but I will do my best. At least, I can stop calling you Maggie as that is clearly not really your name.
Si, es verdad, amigo WWVAS en NS.
See, EC’s influence shows…peeps speakin’ beaner lingo,
changin’ their call signs, piling on maroons in Tinseltown.
It’s all in fun, when clankin’ long necks cold, and salutin’.
Sometimes you wanna go where few buddies know your name.
And you’re always glad you came.
You wanna go where people all know
Their troubles are all so lame.
You wanna go where everyone’s in the game.
Is this you waving the white flag maggie/el cumodi/mygirl…
You wish to surrender, very well, I accept your surrender.
me thinks somebody has taken over hollywood’s name while he be out cycling–
Tampa,
Definitely some doppleganging going on!
We are all a bit loco!
She ain’t Maggie man. No stories about goats. Or about goats. Or about goats. Or about rabbits. Or about rabbits. Or about rednecks. Or about rednecks. Or about her pussyshipped Nick. There. Mystery solved.
Nick the Knife has never shipped pussy anywhere.
PW? LOL… the man’s a fucking rock.
I like rocks.
A little tyke gave me a rock yesterday. Her name is Cadence. I am painting it and putting it on my piano in the basement to help me keep Cadence in my mind when I play.
I’ve got my heart set on Llamas now.
Look what I found in my old image account…
Angels are windswept across my home today.
Liberal men are the most contemptable of all. Estrogen where testosterone should be. Groupthink out of control. Political correctness, virtue signaling, and that subtle, crusty racism that libtards want you to think is altruism but it is hatred and bigotry and a world view that screams “I’m better than all y’all”. Get off the soy, pull your head out of your ass and muster the courage to be a man. Its so much easier for one to hide behind the folds of their skirt, but at what cost?
contemptible
Hey, bob, Hollywood thinks groupthink is just dandy, he hates it when I obstruct the narrative that leads to consensus. He’s a low-T loser.
EC- Is this newbert MyGirl a guy or a gal? It is about time the newbs got a proper welcome. I’m still miffed that Maggie waltzed in without so much as a sneer.
mygirl claims she’s female. That’s not important right now. Check out Hollywood Rob in decay like a modern Dracula exposed to the sunlight, he’s crumbling before our eyes. The dude has lost his marvels (Like a deluded Mark Chapman, he is signing in as Maggy). Maybe his pet parrot croaked. This is almost unbearable to watch. On a twist of Freaky Friday, he claims I am now Maggie and I have been pretending to have big boobs, that I was in the AF on an AWACS plane. He’s flipped his Goofy hat, he’s got a Gyro Gearloose.
You know el carumba/maggie/mygirl, you can bluster all you want. The hammer has dropped on you and now nobody is going to believe anything that you claim. They won’t believe in your bunnies which you hammer to death. They won’t believe in your years of service and they won’t believe in you million masks. They won’t believe in your big white dogs and they won’t believe in your artists web site.
You created this web of lies and you can jolly well recline in it. I have done my good deed for the day. Hell, I can skate now, I have done my good deed for the year.
Rob- Stop blobbing up Uncola’s thread. If you have a beef , air it and move on rather than disrespect the author.
EC is not Maggie, JMO
Sure maggie. I notice that you complain about my blobbing but it is you who dominates the comment count. You are the one using profanity. You the one who can’t let it go. You are the one creating new characters in mid stream.
Just saying…maggie is indeed ec and a whole cattle car of other characters. Go ahead, ask him.
There is only one BL you fukkin maroon. Don’t include me in your delusions HR.
Way to go Maggie. You seem to be running out of creative names. There is no way for me to know how many names you have concocted and I certainly can’t remember most of them. It appears that you can’t remember most of them either and you can’t keep the story-line straight between them. Occasionally you even forget what gender your creation is supposed to be. I understand your problem. Now that you are into hundreds of alternate personalities there is no way to keep them straight. Might I offer the suggestion of posting a list of them on the wall above your desk. I realize that it might be hard to get the tape to stick to the rough field stone, but I am sure that a boy with your intellect can find a way. Then as you drift from name to name you can keep them straight. Just a thought. Just trying to help you out.
hollywood is so clueless he would fuck up a blow job. right click on mygirl’s moniker and it takes you to this website. Its what Anon37568 was saying. Yeah. that’s el coyote alright. pay attention you dumbfuck. Its not that hard.
http://bwoosley.com/
Sure thing Maggie, or should I call you El Coyote, or el cid, or oh fuck, who could possibly care. I just hope that Stucky sees this so he will shut up about your vagina.
So Maggie, if you had to pick one name, which one would it be. I am not saying that you have to pick one name. It’s free country and you are free to lie as much as you want. You are free to rant and rage. But it is you yourself, in your own comments who have admitted to being El Coyote. You won’t yet admit to being mygirl but if I pushed hard enough on you that would most surely tumble out too. Clearly, this is all very important to you as you have descended into vulgarity and name calling when backed into a corner. Perhaps you should take this as a sign that this is not the profession for you. Your temperament might be more suited to something less stressful. Something like raising bunnies.
Is it really paranoia if I’m trying to flush that rabbit into the open?
Or get the stupid Yertle Turtle to at least pull his arrogant neck into that shell.
However, a man shielded by the prayers of a good woman? Finer armor cannot be found.
Coverings. Get some.
Proverbs 31:10
Maggie maggie maggie, you need to read the web page that you attach to your fake name. I realize that the artist that you selected could never know that the paultry increase in traffic was related to you hijacking her web sit, but if you had read beyond the home page you would have seen that;
After many years in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area Brigitte returned to the Texas Hill country where she continues to sketch the occasional trial and focus on fine art painting. She has been invited to participate in a number of prestigious Western art venues across Texas and beyond.
Great observations, Bob. You nailed my acquaintance when you said this:
This guy plays in bands and is genuinely friends with black musicians. Because of that, Trump is a racist. Like other libtards, he thinks the rainbow coalition can establish utopia on earth because people are basically good. Like him. He truly believes he’s a good guy. In fact, he knows he’s better than flag-wearing neanderthals and Russian oligarchs.
Why? Because advertising works; especially when people want to believe what they are being sold. And even when they don’t, people love to own after they’ve bought.
Reminds me of what Al Pacino said when he once played the devil:
Because, in the end, it’s all about…. “Self-love. The all-natural opiate.”
Sorry Tadpole. I have an interesting little book for you. Wanna see it?
(all those boxes in the “loft” of my barn? Books, albums, photos and memorabilia from a lifetime travelling between Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas and Saudi Arabia.
I’m finally home.
Favorite Seger love song.
The Russian (Soviet era) people understood to a large extent how their media sought to manufacture their reality and learned to live within that. The American people aren’t at that stage of understanding yet, and as well the US media is so much more elaborate and emotionally charged than Soviet media ever was.
Ah, The Uncola is strong in this one.
Finally finished reading through the comments.
This thread went in about every direction it could.
Just as it should be.
I get along, in the real world, with just about everyone. I’ll talk about anything, with anybody, anywhere. I have learned to have discernment about such. There’s a time and place for everything.
Unlike you, Unc, (seriously, tho; more power to you) I never get past the first few seconds of recognizing terminal dissonance before I shut that direction down. We talk about something else, or the convo is over. I try to do so politely, but the very fact that I refuse to engage pisses some people off no end, but so what. I have no obligation to listen to their spiel. And I certainly have no interest in talking to a deaf wall.
As always, excellent article.
edit:
Oh, yeah, just to throw this out there – no one can say that I’m not who I say I am. Probably one of the very few that actually discloses his real identity. So no; I’m not EC, DD, MC, or anyone other than TS.
Are you sure? I’ve been accused of being everybody but HR.
Yeah, but I’ve got proof.
I don’t know who I am, I have used so many monikers, I lost track. I feel hollow inside. I need help.
No maggie/ec. You have admitted to the fraud. And while you rifle through your old name we will all wait patiently.
Let’s see:
Mil Mascaras
Cibernetico
Ciclon Negro
Shaka
Chen
Juan not John
Anotherjuan
Chorizo
Elpidio Corona
Filomeno Reyes
Hollywood Rob
Too many! I am confused. Am I also Hollywood Rob? Yes, it’s possible, I may have ridden a motorcycle up to Ojai. Of course, now I remember, I created Hollywood Rob after the movie Bunny Ohare. Oh, that was my master character; I worked at Disney after a 4 year cruise on the Good Ship Lollipop for Uncle Sam.
Now maggie/ec/mygirl… be truthful for once. This list is in no way complete. I knew you never bothered to write your creations down. Even you can’t remember even a small portion of the list of lies that you have offered to us. But what the hell, maybe it’s your job. Not a very good one of course but it keeps you off the bread lines and in your mothers basement. There is that. At least you are making a contribution to society.
Sorry folks for all the fucknuttery…
borrowed from my good friend Stucky
Just the hormones acting up and making me craazy!
Should be okay once the sex change is complete.
Then you can call me Hollywood Roberta
Will then have tits bigger than DD’s
you’re desperate to get on that ark,aren’t you hollyorob?
Hollywood Roberta gave me a lot of flak today. I hope the vaggie implant works. I doubt she’ll get satisfaction, women are never satisfied. Certainly not about my real identity. Heck, I don’t even know anymore.
TS says:
Since he has expressed his disdain for conspiracy theories, I would think that would carry over to alternative media outlets by default. So, with that in mind, I thought about sending him the following two articles as linked from their original sites:
1.) Matt Taibbi’s recent “The Press Will Learn Nothing From the Russiagate Fiasco” because it’s Rolling Stone and he’s a later-model flower child and beatnik musician. How could he argue with Rolling Stone?
2.) and also PCR’s “The Three Purposes of Russiagate” while informing him that “Dr. Roberts” was Reagan’s asst secretary of Treasury years ago.
Would it bring about any change in his worldview? I’m skeptical and, honestly, I’m still not sure I care to bother. He seems pretty fragile currently and I don’t know him well enough.
Maybe later after we establish more of a rapport?
What’s funny is how he’s now on the side of the establishment. I suppose that’s the angle I would take should the opportunity present at some later date.
On the one hand, timing is key. On the other, it’s getting pretty darn late and he may not be worth the drama.
Thanks for your comment
Uncola says:
…and I don’t know him well enough.
Maybe later after we establish more of a rapport?
Therein lies the rub. The relationship practically always has to reach a certain level of mutual respect and shared good will – rapport, as you say – before there can be any hope of open consideration. In our present state, that is becoming more and more difficult and, as you also stated, sometimes we have to consider where our efforts are to be expended. Sometimes we have to have a triage mentality. There’s no sense reaching so far into a vortex for someone fighting our rescue efforts that we join them, and lose all interest in any rescue attempts. There are always others more willing to at least hear you out with an open mind.
edit:
WHOO HOO!!!!
Hit THREE HUNDRED and didn’t even know it.
Hey maggie/ec/mygirl… do you want to add TS to your list. That excitement over getting the 300th comment was very maggie like.
Ha, ha, Holdingwood Rob. Anyone with an IQ above 48 who’s been here for awhile knows who I am. Easy enough to check.
Not that I mind being compared to Mags.
Nor I being confused with you… in my little book you are TS Elliot. Not because it rhymes… because you don’t comment a lot, but what you offer is usually succinct and interesting.
I do like to ramble. I do. I do. I do.
and, of course… that reminds me of a story.
Well, ttfn
“Hit THREE HUNDRED and didn’t even know it.”
Yeah … and about 250 of those comments had NOTHING to do with the article. Uncola should sue all of you for Random Commentary Fuknuttery. That being said, some pretty hilarious shit here.
I also discovered something —- Hollywood Rob is batshit crazy.
+ 1,000
Hey, don’t you have a car to loot?
or a raccoon to kill with a 2 X 4?
Look what I found!
stucky,
completely off topic but you started a trend the other day w/your renaming of world religions–here’s a list from the babylon bee–
https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-guide-to-alternative-names-for-world-religions
Bastards didn’t even give me credit!!
Not a very funny list. I mean ….. Jew = Tiny Hat Wearer??? Gimme a fucken break, man.
Perhaps, but you have been lied to and you don’t seem to care. I care. Your comfy little world is safe as long as you don’t look out the window. There you will see an army of maggie and her creations.
I think maggie is the one in the middle.
Ding fucking ding dong bell. And you know what’s in the well.
I have a full unopened box of those silver sponges. I carried it with me to the VA appointment and asked the damn doctor to put it and the other items mailed to me back into inventory.
Still sealed in post office box packages.
They can’t take them back. Against regulation. The country is doomed when the US government sends me 800 dollars retail in medical supplies and can’t take them back.
So, the doctor told me to put it into my own first aid kit or give it to someone who can use it.
I sent the remainder of an almost full box of them to New Hampshire, but there’s something going on with the mail.
I’ll mail the next box to LGR… he got his box and all was well.
I put insurance on them and have the receipts but I sure hate to drive all the way to Marble Hill to talk to Tim the Mailman Tanner down there. Although when I walk in that post office with some of the stuff I’ve been known to mail? He grins and just starts looking for packing material.
Most people seem to like me. Hmmmm.
And… I really do wear my old silk scarves and pashminas to the barnyard and beyond. I’ve decided to be “that weird old lady with the scarves” to the locals.
Dad was the “weird old guy in the overalls who wrote for the paper.” Sometimes the WHOLE paper.
Do you still have some silver sponges to sell / donate? Would be willing to take a box.
Thanks! JtDW
@ TS – I sent him the articles/links. He said Taibbi is an “opportunist out to make a buck” and PCR’s article is “flat out lies” and that Mueller’s report “clearly lays out ten instances where Trump obstructed justice and only was not charged because Mueller concluded Justice Department policy would not allow him to charge.”
He, furthermore, said PCR is “just a hack for the pro Trumpers” and that I should “read the Mueller report before putting out blatantly false information“.
No shit. So I, in response, asked him these questions:
And then added this which was, basically, cut & pasted from my last article:
No response yet.
Uncola – I hope you get a response. I would like to see it. But I wouldn’t hold my breath. Usually, the final choice if all deflection fails is to go full ignore. Like it just never happened. It’s a survival thing for those who are fully vested into these things as their only source of identity.
I think he’s gone baby gone. But the power of curiosity compelled me. Besides, all of my real friends are online anyway.
I might consider apologizing except I think I’m taking up far too much space by staying gone. And I’m laughing so damn hard I gotta go now.
Oh. My. God.
There’s that darned post office again.
My father built that Tee Pee for his grandchildren to play in… longagoandfaraway. The bird? Well, we grow them REALLY big in Swampeast Missouri. At least we did then.
The above is the real Maggie.
They are all the real maggie.
A quick note from a concerned party…
Just a lil’ Birdie
Posing a question
Something is alive
In your paranoid head
Stop the voices now
Its never to late
Time is now
Look hard and
Of course
Listen
Mags is living large
Not paying a cent
So do us a favor
Have some Grace
For the Luv of Gawd
The time is now
Start charging rent.
that wuz me by the way HR
sorry man but I care..
Yours in Odin,
RiNS
Rob, I appreciate the thought. You are, of course, free to think of this as you will. I would just point out that all of the people here at TBP have been constantly disappointed in their elected officials. You know the feeling, you have an assistant drama teacher and part time ski instructor running your country and now a gay loonie. We here have suffered through spooks from the CIA, retarded drug addicts, pedophiles, gay muslims, and now a reality show star and every damned time the excitement has been running high. If we could just get _____ elected then everything is going to be all right.
I am really wondering when we are going to be willing to evaluate our decision making paradigm. Clearly our ability to discern the reality of any given situation is seriously impaired. How can anyone expect to discern the most effective leader for their government if they can’t even see that they are being deceived on a daily basis. Most of us try to live our lives based on what we consider to be a bedrock of honesty. Obviously, not all of us have that same intention. If you won’t see the dishonesty in your associates, you will never be able to see the dishonesty in your leaders.
But how could that possibly matter? What could possibly go wrong?
@ HR,
I get your point and I appreciate your seriousness and you’re honesty. I do. In fact, your 2nd paragraph above speaks to what I’ve tried to do with my Uncola moniker as representative of my better self (even when I fall short).
At the same time, accountability around here is wielded like a weapon. In turn, this makes plausible deniability like a shield.
I doubt we can move the world with a blog, per se, but the ideas gleaned here can definitely be applied in three-dimensions; as demonstrated by my piece above. (or not)
Therefore, maybe it all distills down into a matter of perspectives and expectations. As mentioned previously, I see this place as sort of a digital airport bar where we can seriously test ideas and have some fun along the way. And, for me, this means ideas matter more than identities.
In most instances, there are grains of truth to be gleaned from even the silliest and most trivial of comments – with mocking and profanity as the icing on the cake; adding color and flavor, if you will.
Besides, who can be their best self every moment? On occasion, it’s good to blow off some steam, ya know?
That all said, however, I think it was Ayn Rand in one of her novels who said a frown was being touched by God (ironic on many levels, I know). It’s only when we see a problem, get serious, and get to work when the world is moved. But not on the internet? Or, at least, not all of the time?
It’s all good, bro
mygirl, where’d ya’ll go? I barely git to know ya and you’re gone…
…you didn’t turn into Maggie, did you?
I saw this article on Zero Hedge. Excellent.
Casey,
The article is great but the comment section is where it’s at!
I popped on over to ZH to check out the comments on this article, just out of curiosity. I hit ZH every day, but only to scan the headlines and occasionally dig into an article that catches my interest. Never get to the comments. One time was enough some time ago. I couldn’t imagine trying to knock around with those folks on an ongoing basis. Can’t even compare to what goes on here. And sign in to comment? Fuck that.
I second that emotion.
TS,
A year or so ago I tried to create a login for Zerohedge, it was awaiting approval, never happened.
Go figure!
Hahahaha
Shit.
I sang real sweet and she won’t even burp.
I won’t sleep tonight, unless EC howls for her return too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv13g44ROaw
That’ll get’r back to the ball, all dressed up and painted.
In central Texas, bib overalls is haute couture fit for an opry house
What in the bluddy el? Almost 400 comments?
That must be a record, huh?
No, but close. I think the record is around 600.
if you don’t count the McCain article or Mary Malone’s who holds your mortgage article.
There is this little town in the hills out here (Potosi) which has more antique and junk stores than anything. It is very much a Norman Rockwell sort of town, even now.
In a five dollar box of old books, I got a big book of Norman Rockwell Sat Eve Post covers from 1928 through 1945. The covers from the war years tell an interesting story about wives and girlfriends whom were dreamt of from foxholes and ships’ bunks who went off to factories and became Rosie the Riveter.
It is an interesting point of view.
There was never really a Norman Rockwell America. But, sometimes, if you peer very closely at the remnants, there is a shadow.
Drop me an email, your last address bounced and I wanted to thank you for the box of goodies.
Marc, are you ever going to be able to send me the box o meat that I paid you for?
I had to pester him for mine for quite some time. Took weeks and weeks; finally arrived stuffed into a Priority Mail box that was bursting at the seams. In the end, the item I ordered was nearly inedible. Some beef cut aged in brine, or wine? Can’t remember, it had an Italian name I think. Never again.
The syrup’s aces, though.
Tell that to my erstwhile friend, Yo. He wants the USA to go back to its former fake glory. If he had also drawn blacks, we would be longing for the days when Nigger Jim asked Huck to come back to the boat.
So, how about we take a really big barge like my cousin pulls with a tugboat on the Mississippi and put it on the Potomac between Alexandria and DC proper.
Then, we take all those asinine CongressCritters (every last stinking ONE) and put them on that damn barge and tell them to KNOCK IT OFF.
Leave them floating there indefinitely and hire some news ones.
The new ones won’t be much better but they can look at that big barge of congressleeches flopping around on that barge fighting for scraps and THINK about what they are doing.
Contempt OF the people, Z?
Contempt FOR the people is more like it. And they need to realize we find them beyond contemptible.
And that includes YOUR guy. Whoever he is. Whe they changed the rules for electing Senators, the republic was lost.
Whoa. This thread be like
No kidding, Tom. I’ve been really busy and just checkin in and out and it just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
My one comment about measles was all I could muster. It was supposed to be sarcastic because I have been hearing on the MSM that THERE ARE 700 CASES OF MEASLES IN THE ENTIRE US AND CALIFORNIA IS QUARANTINING COLLEGE STUDENTS AND OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!
Not Maggie, either.
This what threads should be like, sorta
It’s not inexplicable at all. But it is damn hard for most anyone, left or right, to accept the real reason:
There is no truth. It is all belief, and what one takes as evidence for belief.
To put a finer spin on it: There is no accessible truth. (It is rational to believe) there are are truths “out there”, that is, outside our minds … but we have no guaranteed access to them. Human perceptions and minds are imperfect. All of them. So relativism is king. Sorry, guys.
That concept is behind the scientific method and eternally-moving science. Ironically, too many IYI “scientists” do not grasp this human limitation, and scorn those who raise questions from outside (and often within) their credentialed fields.
Meanwhile, people with strong religious faith are often the most strident claimants to The Truth. Yet so few have ever walked a mile in an atheist’s shoes. Um, you do remember the definition of the word “faith”, don’t you?
Go figure.
So, we all continue with “we have the truth, while they have illusions”. The debates will never be resolved. They can only be defused.
That’s a lot like saying the ocean laps against the shoreline, there is no clear defined boundary, therefore there is no sea and no land.
It’s philosophical masturbation and it has served as the world’s greatest excuse to ignore reality in order to protect our conscience from feeling the sting that comes with drifting away from the Truth.
The problem is not with Truth or reality, but with the human inability to perceive all the possibilities due to our limited senses. It is best to continue the hard work of trying to find it rather than to throw up our hands and say there is no truth.
Meryl Streep
No shit?
@ Norm,
I saw your comment on ZH as well. Thank you for stopping by and I hope you’ll stick around.
I see you’ve been welcomed TBP style.
Oh, I had to laugh at that. How true.
“Hey welcome to the party, dude.”
There’s nothing better than a wake-up call from Tyler 🙂
@Uncola – Thanks. And I did appreciate your essay.
“The problem is not with Truth or reality, but with the human inability to perceive all the possibilities due to our limited senses.”
What do you mean by “possibilities [of reality?]”? Is it, “to perceive all the reality due to our limited senses”?
In past decades (in our own lives, at least), confidence in knowing reality was not a problem (even if it was just as false). All information formerly was organized and distributed through hierarchical systems, with all that entails. But now, information is not managed that way. As others have pointed out, we’re having out own “Gutenberg press moment”, which resulted in our own epistemological crisis. Add to that mix that it is recently feasible to fabricate ANY second-hand evidence (which is 99.99+% of what we take for evidence) to sufficient perfection to deceive.
“It is best to continue the hard work of trying to find it rather than to throw up our hands and say there is no truth.”
…but once we think we can possess truth — that is, think we know that we know it — is exactly where we (all humans) go off the rails.
Hey, he could be Maggie….
“What do you mean by “possibilities [of reality?]”?”
One hundred and twenty-five years ago it was possible to see through flesh and look at human bones, but until we developed the X-Ray technology, that possibility was imperceptible to us. Today it is a reality.
That’s what I meant by ‘possibilities of reality’ .
I am often thinking fifty steps ahead of my writing ability, stick around, you’ll see.
“…but once we think we can possess truth — that is, think we know that we know it — is exactly where we (all humans) go off the rails.”
Not necessarily. That would of course depend on what people choose to do with that truth. Some things are absolutely neutral or in fact beneficial to us by knowing them to be true, like fire is hot. Those who go off the rails are predisposed to go off the rails and simply look for an excuse, true or false.
Disagree. There is scientific truth, when done by honest, curious men without ideology.
Otherwise, your skyscrapers would fall from the wind loads, your roof would collapse from the snow loads and bridges would just be impossible.
I doubt anyone ever counted the experiments on gravity, or the universal gas law, or a number of other principles that form the basis for physics, engineering, biology even. And mathematics – if there is such a thing as universal truth, mathematics (before you get out on the lunatic fringes like numerology, and the mental masturbation of advanced set theory and probabilistic heuristics) is as close as you can get.
I stack mathematics, real science and the scientific method against your relativism, for the win. And it IS accessible truth, to those who can generate the brainpower and discipline to learn them.
Your move. And understand, I cut no slack for “climate science” (which isn’t, at least at this point), psychology / psychiatry (can be useful, but still not science) or “socialist science” (perversion to please an ideology, no real basis or structure). If you can’t generate disprovable theories and either prove / disprove them with experiment, it’s not science.
“There is scientific truth, when done by honest, curious men without ideology. … I stack mathematics, real science and the scientific method against your relativism, for the win.”
Sure, we discover science works (for our needs and within our perceptions). But you acknowledge, don’t you, that its “truth” is only and always provisional? If and when someone comes along with a better idea, and once the proponents of existing theory die off, the new one takes its place. This happens time and time again. I remember reading about plate techtonics being regarded as “crazy” in a college textbook from the 1970s. Or go try some of the 18th century medicine used by kings and presidents, and get back to me.
Arrogance, whether in science or religion, has serious consequences. Currently, we have a new generation of The Best and Brightest that basically wants to take over the world, because they’re cocksure they know what they’re doing, and even if they gotta break a few eggs (nukes, climate maangement, MMT, nations, etc). They won’t even bother to tell you that they don’t need to pay attention to anyone else’s (i.e. your and my) “stupid” ideas.
Not exactly what I was getting at, but sort of ….
Scientific truth has the advantage that it ALLOWS for revision. Newton wasn’t wrong about physics; it works perfectly well for anything you and I can touch, taste, feel. Always has and always will.
IFF (mathematical, if and only if) Newton didn’t formulate the way Einstein did it was because he didn’t have access to electron microscopes, nuclear materials and equipment and digital computers. IFF (again) there is a basic truth beneath it all; the Unified Field theory, the transcendent mind beyond Buddhism, the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything, then science will be the likeliest way we find it. I see this (repeated revision in light of new evidence) as proof that the scientific method WORKS; we find the new principles, new evidence, the kinks and chinks in the existing theory where it breaks down at the peripheries of what we can know.
Newton is provisional? Find me a planet, boulder or ship that DOESN’T obey his three laws of motion. Electrons don’t, but have you ever seen an electron? Or a quasar?
We depend not just on discoveries of the past but of the formulations they inspired. Every trip you take uses the same formulations of Newton, Galileo and Archimedes that our grandfathers used. If this is “provisional”, then please tell me how you are using the word, I’m not following.
We had a quasar in our living room. You probably had a GE. While you may not have seen an electron, you have seen the effects of them in your old TV sets and your old computer monitor. All of that aside, you are both saying the same thing. You both realize that much of what we currently consider to be scientific truth, is actually mathematical approximation. Most of the scientific community think that they have solved a problem and found a truth as long as they can use their maffs to predict the result of the experiments that they themselves have devised to reveal the un-seeable.
Yes indeed. They can predict the results. But that does not mean that they actually know what it is that caused those results. That is where the evolution of science takes place. One thing for sure though, we can most certainly know that Maggie is EC and also mygirl.
As HF and J. the Wand. so competently described, relativism is a bankrupt philosophy. If all is relative, then you fall under the same standard and therefore should be ignored, because you have no true basis for cognitive assessment. If you are applying this to physical truth, slap a hand on a hot burner and then tell me the truth of whether it is hot or not. If it’s metaphysics, please describe how you can even be sure that your reasoning has any foundation to even exist.
“[R]elativism is a bankrupt philosophy”
On the contrary, it’s a necessary acknowledgment of the limitations of the human mind. Yes, you can and should be ready to question anything I, or anyone else, says … because no one (knows that they) know anything.
One can consistently reproduce evidence from the external world — i.e. the hot stove — without proving that one knows it sufficiently. How did hot coals walkers learn to control their bodies to avoid burns? How could Einstein’s counterintuitive theories have replaced Newton’s?
There is actually a scientific explanation for being able to walk unharmed over hot coals. It has to do with conductivity, insulation, speed of travel and distance of travel. If those same walkers stand for a few seconds or fall into the coals, their ‘mind-over-matter’ must be pretty shaky because they will get- and some have gotten- burned severely.
It seems to me that you’re trying to conflate truth with knowledge. Just because someone is ignorant of something -e. g. plate techtonics – doesn’t automatically remove the truth of its existence. Or vice versa; just because someone believes something doesn’t automatically make it true. I can truly believe that I am a poached egg, but that is not true.
Also, you seem to suggest the concept that just because it is more difficult to find the truth of a matter, that that invalidates that truth. “Add to that mix that it is recently feasible to fabricate ANY second-hand evidence (which is 99.99+% of what we take for evidence) to sufficient perfection to deceive.” The difficulty of ascertaining has no bearing on whether a condition, reality or principle is true or not. Just because you are not able to witness something firsthand does not automatically remove its truth. I do agree that it is always wise to withhold acceptance until a preponderance of acceptable verification can be received.
Einstein’s theories did not supplant Newton’s. They expanded and explained a deeper understanding of those areas, and were built upon those theories. They did not replace them, they modified areas that were not observable in Newton’s time. As in all scientific matters, the envelope is constantly being pushed further out. It doesn’t change the truth that there is gravity and mass, whether we have a complete understanding of those or not.
The underlying truths and principles always remain the same, whether we recognize and/or accept them or not.
Well, you could be a poached egg and none of us would be able to deny you. All the rest of that I completely agree with.
True, true.
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Hmmm. Maybe I’m not doing so bad after all:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing
Thanks @EL Ciclon Negro (up above)