The Shocking Paper Predicting the End of Democracy

Robert Bronsdon (Hollywood Rob) September 2019

The Shocking Paper Predicting the End of Democracy

Human brains aren’t built for self-rule, says Shawn Rosenberg. That’s more evident than ever.

Everything was unfolding as it usually does. The academics who gathered in Lisbon this summer for the International Society of Political Psychologists’ annual meeting had been politely listening for four days, nodding along as their peers took to the podium and delivered papers on everything from the explosion in conspiracy theories to the rise of authoritarianism.

Then, the mood changed. As one of the lions of the profession, 68-year-old Shawn Rosenberg, began delivering his paper, people in the crowd of about a hundred started shifting in their seats. They loudly whispered objections to their friends. Three women seated next to me near the back row grew so loud and heated I had difficulty hearing for a moment what Rosenberg was saying.

What caused the stir? Rosenberg, a professor at UC Irvine, was challenging a core assumption about America and the West. His theory? Democracy is devouring itself—his phrase — and it won’t last.

As much as President Donald Trump’s liberal critics might want to lay America’s ills at his door, Rosenberg says the president is not the cause of democracy’s fall—even if Trump’s successful anti-immigrant populist campaign may have been a symptom of democracy’s decline.

We’re to blame, said Rosenberg. As in “we the people.”

Democracy is hard work. And as society’s “elites”—experts and public figures who help those around them navigate the heavy responsibilities that come with self-rule—have increasingly been sidelined, citizens have proved ill equipped cognitively and emotionally to run a well-functioning democracy. As a consequence, the center has collapsed and millions of frustrated and angst-filled voters have turned in desperation to right-wing populists.

His prediction? “In well-established democracies like the United States, democratic governance will continue its inexorable decline and will eventually fail.”

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The last half of the 20th century was the golden age of democracy. In 1945, according to one survey, there were just 12 democracies in the entire world. By the end of the century there were 87. But then came the great reversal: In the second decade of the 21st century, the shift to democracy rather suddenly and ominously stopped—and reversed.

Right-wing populist politicians have taken power or threatened to in Poland, Hungary, France, Britain, Italy, Brazil and the United States. As Rosenberg notes, “by some metrics, the right wing populist share of the popular vote in Europe overall has more than tripled from 4% in 1998 to approximately 13% in 2018.” In Germany, the right-wing populist vote increased even after the end of the Great Recession and after an influx of immigrants entering the country subsided.

A brief three decades after some had heralded the “end of history” it’s possible that it’s democracy that’s nearing the end. And it’s not just populist rabble-rousers who are saying this. So is one of the establishment’s pioneer social scientists, who’s daring to actually predict the end of democracy as we know it.

Rosenberg, who earned degrees at Yale, Oxford and Harvard, may be the social scientist for our time if events play out as he suggests they will. His theory is that over the next few decades, the number of large Western-style democracies around the globe will continue to shrink, and those that remain will become shells of themselves. Taking democracy’s place, Rosenberg says, will be right-wing populist governments that offer voters simple answers to complicated questions.

And therein lies the core of his argument: Democracy is hard work and requires a lot from those who participate in it. It requires people to respect those with different views from theirs and people who don’t look like them. It asks citizens to be able to sift through large amounts of information and process the good from the bad, the true from the false. It requires thoughtfulness, discipline and logic.

Unfortunately, evolution did not favor the exercise of these qualities in the context of a modern mass democracy. Citing reams of psychological research, findings that by now have become more or less familiar, Rosenberg makes his case that human beings don’t think straight. Biases of various kinds skew our brains at the most fundamental level. For example, racism is easily triggered unconsciously in whites by a picture of a black man wearing a hoodie. We discount evidence when it doesn’t square up with our goals while we embrace information that confirms our biases. Sometimes hearing we’re wrong makes us double down. And so on and so forth.

Our brains, says Rosenberg, are proving fatal to modern democracy. Humans just aren’t built for it.

People have been saying for two millennia that democracy is unworkable, going back to Plato. The Founding Fathers were sufficiently worried that they left only one half of one branch of the federal government in the hands of the people. And yet for two centuries democracy in America more or less proceeded apace without blowing itself up.

So why is Rosenberg, who made his name back in the 1980s with a study that disturbingly showed that many voters select candidates on the basis of their looks, predicting the end of democracy now?

He has concluded that the reason for right-wing populists’ recent success is that “elites” are losing control of the institutions that have traditionally saved people from their most undemocratic impulses. When people are left to make political decisions on their own they drift toward the simple solutions right-wing populists worldwide offer: a deadly mix of xenophobia, racism and authoritarianism.

The elites, as Rosenberg defines them, are the people holding power at the top of the economic, political and intellectual pyramid who have “the motivation to support democratic culture and institutions and the power to do so effectively.” In their roles as senators, journalists, professors, judges and government administrators, to name a few, the elites have traditionally held sway over public discourse and U.S. institutions—and have in that role helped the populace understand the importance democratic values. But today that is changing. Thanks to social media and new technologies, anyone with access to the Internet can publish a blog and garner attention for their cause—even if it’s rooted in conspiracy and is based on a false claim, like the lie that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring from the basement of a Washington D.C. pizza parlor, which ended in a shooting.

While the elites formerly might have successfully squashed conspiracy theories and called out populists for their inconsistencies, today fewer and fewer citizens take the elites seriously. Now that people get their news from social media rather than from established newspapers or the old three TV news networks (ABC, CBS and NBC), fake news proliferates. It’s surmised that 10 million people saw on Facebook the false claim that Pope Francis came out in favor of Trump’s election in 2016. Living in a news bubble of their own making many undoubtedly believed it. (This was the most-shared news story on Facebook in the three months leading up to the 2016 election, researchers report.)

The irony is that more democracy—ushered in by social media and the Internet, where information flows more freely than ever before—is what has unmoored our politics, and is leading us towards authoritarianism. Rosenberg argues that the elites have traditionally prevented society from becoming a totally unfettered democracy; their “oligarchic ‘democratic’ authority” or “democratic control” has until now kept the authoritarian impulses of the populace in check.

Compared with the harsh demands made by democracy, which requires a tolerance for compromise and diversity, right-wing populism is like cotton candy. Whereas democracy requires us to accept the fact that we have to share our country with people who think and look differently than we do, right-wing populism offers a quick sugar high. Forget political correctness. You can feel exactly the way you really want about people who belong to other tribes.

Right-wing populists don’t have to make much sense. They can simultaneously blame immigrants for taking jobs away from Americans while claiming that these same people are lazy layabouts sponging off welfare. All the populist followers care is that they now have an enemy to blame for their feelings of ennui.

And unlike democracy, which makes many demands, the populists make just one. They insist that people be loyal. Loyalty entails surrendering to the populist nationalist vision. But this is less a burden than an advantage. It’s easier to pledge allegiance to an authoritarian leader than to do the hard work of thinking for yourself demanded by democracy.

“In sum, the majority of Americans are generally unable to understand or value democratic culture, institutions, practices or citizenship in the manner required,” Rosenberg has concluded. “To the degree to which they are required to do so, they will interpret what is demanded of them in distorting and inadequate ways. As a result they will interact and communicate in ways that undermine the functioning of democratic institutions and the meaning of democratic practices and values.”

I should clarify that the loud whispers in the crowd in Lisbon weren’t a response to Rosenberg’s pessimism. This was after all a meeting of political psychologists—a group who focus on flaws in voters’ thinking and the violation of democratic norms. At the conference Ariel Malka reported evidence that conservatives are increasingly open to authoritarianism. Brian Shaffer related statistics showing that since Trump’s election teachers have noted a rise in bullying. Andreas Zick observed that racist crimes shot up dramatically in Germany after a million immigrants were allowed in.

What stirred the crowd was that Rosenberg has gone beyond pessimism into outright defeatism. What riled the crowd was that he’s seemingly embraced a kind of reverence for elitism no longer fashionable in the academy. When challenged on this front, he quickly insisted he didn’t mean to exempt himself from the claim that people suffer from cognitive and emotional limitations. He conceded that the psychological research shows everybody’s irrational, professors included! But it was unclear that he convinced the members of the audience he really meant it. And they apparently found this discomforting.

There were less discomforting moments in Lisbon. The convention gave an award to George Marcus, one of the founders of the discipline, who has dedicated his career to the optimistic theory that human beings by nature readjust their ideas to match the world as it is and not as they’d like it to be—just as democracy requires.

But this isn’t a moment for optimism, is it? What is happening around the world shows that the far-right is on the march. And when it comes to the U.S., the problem might be larger than one man. Liberals have been praying for the end of the Trump presidency, but if Rosenberg is right, democracy will remain under threat no matter who is in power.

HR Back.  Now that you have read this article, I would like to call bullshit.  Not that I don’t agree with everything that Shawn said.  I do think that he is right.  To my way of thinking the problem is not that the right is on the move.  The greatest problem is that the left (communism) is on the move.  I see that you don’t like to spend time watching Tim Pool and I understand your complaints and agree with you.  I too rarely finish one of Tim’s videos.  But this one you might want to struggle through.  He explains through personal experience that the far left, the Bernies and the AOCs and the muslims and the rest of their communist comrades are tearing the Democratic party apart as they try to steer it over the cliffs of insanity.

Anyway, you can watch Tim if you like, as what he is doing is commenting on the article that I have already provided for you.  His insights are, in my opinion, correct.  The base problem that we all face is how to steer a course through the lunatic left and the cliffs of insanity.  We must do the hard work that is required for a representative republic to flourish.  It is we who must stop the corruption that leads eventually to the downfall that Shawn has prophesied.   You have to do your part and I have to do my part.  This little blog in the middle of nowhere is a start.  It can allow us to formulate plans that each of us can implement.

I see this as talking to people and changing their minds.  I have done this and I know that it works.  In a month or so I will be traveling to Harleysville and Phoenixville to visit family and I will be changing minds there as well.  It is done one on one for those of us who don’t have the smarts to create a youtube channel like Tim.  But it is work that we can do.  Take it seriously and a change can be made.

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anarchyst
anarchyst
September 10, 2019 10:07 am

We don’t have a “democracy”. We are (supposed to) have a constitutional republic.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  anarchyst
September 10, 2019 12:18 pm

Well, that’s half true. We don’t have neither a democracy or a constitutional republic. We don’t have a constitutional republic because the government does not obey the constitution and the citizens do not enforce the constitution. So in defacto fashion it has become a dead letter.

Thomas Jefferson told citizens how to enforce it;
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.”

Cynicles
Cynicles
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:19 pm

Maybe before the civil war. After, the bankrupt America became a corporation.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Hollywood Rob
September 11, 2019 10:52 am

good article rob,thanks 4 posting it–

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 10, 2019 10:16 am

“Democracy requires diversity…”
Really? That’s news to me.
It’s only a democracy if leftists are running the show. Got it.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
  Anonymous
September 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Way exact thoughts. Democracy=diversity an perversity.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Overthecliff
September 11, 2019 12:14 am

Yup, another Right wing bad article. White power, white privilege, white supremacy etc. are all bundled up into an article that denounces ‘right wing’ aka: white people who are going to destroy the great American democracy. Idiot author isn’t intelligent enough to understand that according to the founders this country was NEVER supposed to be a democracy.

Juiced And Goosed
Juiced And Goosed
September 10, 2019 10:24 am

To paraphrase Rothbard, “One is tempted to go through line-by-line and destroy every fabrication and mis-labeling”.

Instead, for the sake of brevity let’s just Strike The Root (it was a pretty good site at one time – hey, I see it still exists! – and Thoreau ain’t too shabby either).

All of the corruption – of ideas, politics, names, “identity”, civil discourse, etc., etc. and up to thought itself, flows from ONE SINGLE SOURCE:

Total Monetary Debuachery.

Every major problem this country and the planet faces has it’s root in the fact that a giant Ponzi Scheme is maquerading as the planet’s money supply. Even the fake problems like “climate change” have come about due to, at base, Monetary Debauchery.

Until that single poisonous breeze is addressed and changed, deterioration continues because, by default, that is the course set once the winds of monetary debauchery fill the sails.

Problems will not disappear when real money is the base once again. They will be greatly minimized and be addressable with solutions that contain and keep them minimized.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Juiced And Goosed
September 10, 2019 1:28 pm

1 Timothy 6:10 KJB… “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

Donkey
Donkey
  grace country pastor
September 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Does that mean G.R.E.E.D?

Orthodox Norwegian Freeman.
Orthodox Norwegian Freeman.
  grace country pastor
September 10, 2019 4:52 pm

now think trough the usury system you are a part of, is usury allowed in true Christianity? The Mother Church ran to Russia when Byzantine fell,, its heirs are still found there.
History lesson (Christian NOT xtian)-

(eng translation of lyric) And i will throw this beauty in here too just bc it is my fav prayer-

Come home to the Mother Church dear brother in faith.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Orthodox Norwegian Freeman.
September 10, 2019 5:24 pm

Mother? I’ll take a pass on worshiping the queen of heaven, thank you. I have a Father in heaven whose son accomplished everything I need to live eternally with Him. I play no not part in religious systems, I simply believe the book God wrote; and most importantly, the apostle He sent to me, Paul.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
September 10, 2019 10:34 am

The problem is that the “interests” of the state (any level of government) have become to broad and encompassing to allow people to do what they want to do without interference from a bureaucrat or cop funded by taxes! It is none of the government’s business who I employ or marry or choose to educate my children. None of their business whether I choose to insure the payment of my health care bills, or if a health care provider chooses not to provide care based on ability to pay for that care.

I am no anarchist. I recognize the need for government and the essentially violent and coercive nature of the relationship. That is why the scope has to be kept VERY small indeed. A few public conduct laws, a fast, fair (not necessarily just) court system, roads and sewers, trash pick up. A bit of an army and a navy, nowhere near what we waste our money on now, and not much more. There just is not much to argue about when the services and the taxes required to support them are small.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  Brian Reilly
September 10, 2019 11:55 am

Three-fold purpose of government: Defend OUR shores, deliver our mail, and stay out of our business.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Unreconstructed
September 11, 2019 12:03 am

@ Unreconstructed: Agreed and good luck with that limited of a government. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for lunch. That’s why there’s an electoral college and that’s why socialists like AOC and others want to destroy the electoral college. The majority will always vote to benefit itself, despite what is best for the country as a whole. The little whiney bitch also went so far as to claim that rural America held the rest of the country hostage due to electoral college votes no doubt because she realizes that the metropolitan areas are all liberal and vote democrat. Guess they forget where their food comes from and who actually does the work that makes modern society possible. Damn deplorables.

Steve
Steve
September 10, 2019 10:49 am

People are inherently tribal. We prefer our own. Diversity is a disaster, hardly a strength. Look to what once was Scandinavia (before immigration destroyed it). They were the happiest ,most productive and had the highest standard of living as a group of people with extremely low crime.
Democracy works fine in such places. Throw a bunch of different cultures together and watch the fireworks.

Grog
Grog
September 10, 2019 10:53 am

I see this as talking to people and changing their minds. I have done this and I know that it works.

It was at this juncture, I knew it was time to laugh.

Grog
Grog
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 2:42 pm

That’s funny too, coming from a guy who doesn’t know the difference between a democracy and a republic.
Maybe you should do Political Stand-Up.

Or, just stand up.

Grog
Grog
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:34 pm

You’re just jealous.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 8:55 pm

HR, pay attention my friend.
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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Grog
September 10, 2019 5:08 pm

I stopped at(( (Rosenberg)))

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
September 10, 2019 11:02 am

…the shift to democracy rather suddenly and ominously stopped—and reversed.

Right-wing populist politicians have taken power or threatened to in Poland, Hungary, France, Britain, Italy, Brazil and the United States.

I take exception to the author’s presumption that only leftists can be pro democracy.

BTW – The United States of America is NOT a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
September 10, 2019 11:04 am

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Stucky
Stucky
September 10, 2019 11:11 am

“Now that you have read this article, I would like to call bullshit.”

And I call bullshit on YOU. You shit on almost every article posted here, but yet you still have posting privileges. Now, that’s bullshit!! I call on all TBPers to shit on you …. see how you like it.

“To my way of thinking …”

You actually “think”?? Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

“The greatest problem is that the left (communism) is on the move. “

The greatest problem is that YOU are still here. Please move on!

“In a month or so I will be traveling to Harleysville and Phoenixville to visit family …”

Hopefully they will see your threat …. and it gives THEM enough time to move away.

“…. and I will be changing minds there as well.”

Like you do here, right? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!

llpoh
llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:42 pm

HR – Stuck shits bigger than you. You really have zero clue. Maybe you should listen more to him, and flap your piehole less.

Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 7:14 pm

“To my way of thinking …”

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llpoh
llpoh
  Stucky
September 10, 2019 6:44 pm

Stuck – we needs ya around here. We need what you bring. I cannot beat crap out of the noobs all by my lonesome you know.

M G
M G
  llpoh
September 11, 2019 6:04 am

This idiot is Freddie Kruger and his arrival in the “recent commentsu” list causes instant silence on TBP.

I even asked to be banned to eliminate the distraction. But we both (all) know there is something ELSE in play.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  M G
September 11, 2019 8:16 am

Leave it be, Maggie. Let it go. Ignore him. Please listen to me.

He is about to be culled, if I were a betting man. He will be like number 3 in all the years of TBP if it happens. He will be in appropriate company if so.

Speedy
Speedy
  Llpoh
September 11, 2019 8:20 am

K…

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 11, 2019 9:52 am

I’d like to let it go except for this idea, it’s like the moment when Lloyd Bentsen realized Dan Quayle imagined he was JFK. In similar fashion, it appears that Robbie imagines himself to be TBP’s grey champion; either Trump or Smokey, just in time to save the blog when all the big dogs are otherwise indisposed. His unorthodox approach to comments on every article reminds me of the parable about playing chess with a chicken, the chicken knocks all the chess pieces down and shits on the board. He displays so many signs and wonders that I would need more time to make sense of this fascinating human kaleidoscope. It could be an entire article: It Came from Hollywood – Grey Champion or Total Fruitcake?

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 11, 2019 11:05 am

Does your liberal Vassar wife call you fruitcake?

Conejo Rojo
Conejo Rojo
  Soylent Gringo (EC)
September 11, 2019 12:18 pm

Wow, quite the pithy rejoinder you created there. I am sure impressed.

dougnut
dougnut
September 10, 2019 11:35 am

you want to listen to a guy named ((Rosenburg))?
why, are we buying diamonds or some other overpriced stuff?

CCRider
CCRider
September 10, 2019 11:38 am

The end of democracy? You mean it’s logical conclusion. It’s rule by an elite and arrogant ruling class through a monopoly of force-or the threat thereof. So now those who are psycho enough to crave using force are vying for it? No shit. Even the this nation’s original ruling class hated it and predicted it’s inevitable demise.

Oh, and for the record, the majority in your precious fucking democracy don’t vote at all than do those who vote for either the repos or the dummos.

Onnie
Onnie
September 10, 2019 11:54 am

Sunshine go away today
I don’t feel much like dancin’
Some mans gone he’s tried to run my life
I don’t know what he’s askin’
Well he tells me I’d better get in line
I can’t hear what he’s sayin’
When I grow up I’m gonna make it mine
These ain’t dues I’ve been payin’

Well how much does it cost (I’ll buy it)
The time is all we’ve lost (I’ll try it)
He can’t even run his own life
I’ll damned if he’ll run mine…

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Onnie
September 10, 2019 1:24 pm

Jonathan Edwards…! Great stuff there.

Grog
Grog
  grace country pastor
September 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Which Jonathan Edwards?
(You being a preacher an’ all, I had to ask)

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Grog
September 10, 2019 5:30 pm

The one that puts a good buzz on in the shanty… ?

JLW
JLW
September 10, 2019 12:04 pm

The hubris and audacity of this prick’s contentions are insufferable. His entire premise is soaking in Ivy League ‘Know it All’ism. He and his ilk are exactly why people are lamely attempting to throw off the yoke of Leftist Authoritarianism. This screed is Elite ‘spilt milk’. It wasn’t enough for this Elite scum to steal most of the wealth and power. No, they had to screw our race and culture to boot. F&^K them and the horse they rode in on!

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
September 10, 2019 12:05 pm

“Taking democracy’s place, Rosenberg says, will be right-wing populist governments that offer voters simple answers to complicated questions.”

Ah, that must be it. As opposed to left-wing unpopular governments that offer complicated answers to simple questions.

One could see where populations might be swayed.

And once again we are offered a glimpse into the mindset of the globalist; democracy only works if it delivers the kind of government of which the progressives approve. Democracy fails when the majority vote for something else.

Not all that complicated, is it?

Montefrío
Montefrío
September 10, 2019 12:20 pm

Subsidiarity is the only way a “democracy” works well. Once a higher lever than the county is reached, republican gov becomes necessary in larger states/provinces and nations. Supra-national entities are unworkable as anything other than quasi-dictatorships or flat-out dictatorships. When these are run by financial entities, as they now are, “government” is little more than coercive authoritarian dictatorship cemented by a progressive dumbing down of the mass man.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 10, 2019 12:26 pm

Anytime some Jew writes an article about “how populists are killing Democracy” what they mean is that they ((( socialists))) have perverted the rule of law so much that common people are fed up with how some people get justice they’re not deserved and everyone else who deserve justice get none.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 1:01 pm

It’s time for the “tribe” to leave country 110–the USA…

Grog
Grog
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 3:05 pm

They are the only people who actually practice communism.

You mean to tell me that there are Jewish Chinese?
Kike Chinks?

Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 7:38 pm

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Conejo Rojo
Conejo Rojo
  Rey Mysterio
September 11, 2019 12:20 pm

My balls itch. Anybody know what to do to make the itch go away?

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 10, 2019 1:11 pm

Far right this, far rightvthat, blah blah blah. Blaming from his echo chamber. It is possible to have a combination of job stealers and welfare stealers from south of the border, and we do. Americans have been complaining about the mexican invasion since the 1940’s. Author is just another cunt in an unending procession of cunts.

credit
credit
September 10, 2019 1:13 pm

“a false claim, like the lie that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring from the basement of a Washington D.C. pizza parlor, which ended in a shooting.”

no, and i think you know better but are short of facts today – the flamer and pizza tosser James Alefantis, the 49 th most influential person in DC was running that alleged ring. who shut down his evil social media showing hints of pedophilia, and hired a band for his joint that talked of killing babies. Hillary used him for fundraising. and his former boyfriend was in her camp too. and they were all buds with the freakazoid Podesta brothers, of walnut sauce and child abuse art fame, as well as their spirit cooking judaic witch cannibal friend Marina Abramovic. so yeah, nothing to worry about you conspiracy theorists.

Enigmatico (EC)
Enigmatico (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:12 pm

Hollywood Rob

So as you can see, Jim has allowed ec to dopple, but he has taken away my means of changing my name. Jim is censoring TBP. He is deleting comments that he doesn’t like and he is dispensing privileges to commenters that he does like. He is promoting communist propaganda and suppressing conservative views. How can you support TBP in the light of this deception?
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Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:29 pm

That your clueless.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Soylent Gringo (EC)
September 11, 2019 12:07 am

You’re. You are.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Mygirl...maybe
September 11, 2019 6:35 am

Mornin, Hollywood…

I haven’t read this article, but I saw where you made a post this morning, so I want to let you know that I responded to your on-topic post over at uncola’s thread. Well, I replied to ‘uncola’ but included a response to your post…..

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Mygirl...maybe
September 11, 2019 9:54 am

No, I’m not.

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 11, 2019 10:11 am

You are totally nuts. The last time anybody was this antagonistic to the owner of the blog, David Pierre outdid you. In every other category where you have tried to compete, Smokey outdid you, Billy outdid you. You are nothing, you delusional piffle. You add nothing to the site, you are an irritation and a time waster.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
September 10, 2019 2:11 pm

Well, I suppose it’s just a matter of waiting for the American Pinochet complete with helicopter tours if this guy is right.

Or, we wait for the socialists to make complicated decisions for us.

Hollow man
Hollow man
September 10, 2019 2:19 pm

I almost stopped reading. I am glad I did not

anonymousse
anonymousse
September 10, 2019 2:51 pm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

“The country is headed toward a single and splendid government of an aristocracy founded on banking institutions and moneyed incorporations and if this tendency continues it will be the end of freedom and democracy, the few will be ruling…I hope we shall…crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to trial and bid defiance to the laws of our country. I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”

Two guesses as to who this quote is attributed to.

AC
AC
September 10, 2019 4:18 pm

What democracy? Congress does what they are told, or the videos of them fucking kids get leaked.

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Enigmatico (EC)
Enigmatico (EC)
September 10, 2019 6:02 pm

Stucky

“Jim is censoring TBP.” – HR

I regret responding to you. That’s because I believe the best policy in dealing with you is to IGNORE your constant stream of bullshit.

Yet, here I am acknowledging your vermin-like existence …. but, only because in a loooong series of incredibly stupid comments, you have yet surpassed your own ineptness once again. Let’s look at this simple fact;

If Admin was censoring you, you would have been banned a long time ago!

It is also a fact that you have been warned by Admin to “knock it off” … both publicly and privately. Yet, you continue your tired old bullshit unimpeded, and uncensored.

You take advantage of Admin’s patience …. and then have the gall to accuse him of censorship????? You are a most deplorable creature.
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September 10, 2019 10:55 am

Enigmatico (EC)

Stuck, the nicest thing I can say is that at least he is consistent. Early on, he claimed that the entire commentariat was one person. Then he refined his thesis to a couple of offenders. He claimed he wanted TBP to be a vehicle for a certain type of dialog. He said two people were impeding his glorious designs. Along the way, he has made subtle accusations against Admin like this but never this blatant. I caught on a long time ago and wondered whether he would still be here after July. I suspect that if I called BB, he would give a professional diagnosis of ‘nutjob’.
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September 10, 2019 11:09 am

Hollywood Rob

Stucky you slimmy fag. Go in the bathroom and tear one off like a man. I realize that you are pretty damned stupid, and a blowhard. Why would I care if you read my comment or not. Clearly you do not have the intelligence necessary to read my comment. What I said is that Jim is restricting my access to name change. He is not restricting ec or maggie, just me. Clearly, although you are far too stupid to understand this, Jim has a completely different agenda than the one that you, in your slobbering decrepitude, have apparently assumed. He wants me to post here. He continues to allow posting of things that I write. You, being too stupid to read, can’t understand that Jim isn’t banning me. He isn’t banning ec nor maggie for doing exactly what I did.

Now I know that you are too stupid to understand so let me be specific here, just for your own education. What I am saying is that Jim is restricting my access to name change while promoting ec and maggie in their access to name change. You, even as dumb as you are, can clearly see the Enigmatico (EC) comment that was posted here in response to your mindless dribble. He blithely comments using everything that I said about him back to me. That is right out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, but you don’t read do you. All you can do is read the title and make up something from the toilet paper that you leave on the floor of your bathroom.

Sure, you can suck EC’s beaner cock if you want. You can suck maggies moose cock if you want. Hell, you can take a little drive and pay Jim to let you suck his cock. I really don’t care who’s cock you suck. I really don’t care what you think, if you think at all, and I am certainly not going to take anything that you say to heart. You are obviously too stupid to be considered.

So have a nice day.

Enigmatico (EC)
Enigmatico (EC)
  Enigmatico (EC)
September 10, 2019 6:10 pm

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Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Enigmatico (EC)
September 10, 2019 6:26 pm

Old Hollywood wants the blog all for himself. That was his anti-Antifa plan all along. Forget about freedom of speech, he wants it all.

llpoh
llpoh
  Enigmatico (EC)
September 10, 2019 6:46 pm

EC – thanks for that. Nicely done.

Bull G. Wood (EC)
Bull G. Wood (EC)
  llpoh
September 10, 2019 11:02 pm

He’s really wily, like a velociraptor from Jurassic park, he learns quickly. He has adapted Billy’s style and combined it with other old commentators that are no longer around. He is taking advantage of Admin’s injury to go wild. If you look closely, you might miss his entire plan but if you step back, you can see he has focused on the old dogs here in an effort to knock them off one by one like that other predator.
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Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio
  llpoh
September 11, 2019 12:06 am
Enigmatico (EC)
Enigmatico (EC)
September 10, 2019 6:18 pm

How many personalities are in your head, Hollywood? Can you count them? Just knock on the desk so we know how many.

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 6:46 pm

You are looney tunes, Robbie. You post an article and sabotage it by shitting on it like you you do on every article. You can’t help it, being a public shitter and all. One bit of advice, shitting in the street is frowned upon outside of California.

Rey Mysterio
Rey Mysterio
  Soylent Gringo (EC)
September 11, 2019 12:15 am

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Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Hollywood Rob
September 10, 2019 8:34 pm

Let it go man…take a joke every now and then. Hazing is part of life. It’s all in good fun until you end up taking it waaaay too far.

Nobody
Nobody
September 10, 2019 9:17 pm

“optimistic theory that human beings by nature readjust their ideas to match the world as it is” This is mostly true. The human brain forms neural connections based on the stimuli of the body’s senses. This is why it is so important for the criminals to control the narrative. The narrative becomes the plato’s cave, all other possibilities are not ‘real’. Knowing this fact means that whomever everyone wants to end the criminal enterprise can read the entire history of law, find the path where law never violates itself and the ‘new’ (actually old) narrative of equal application of law in its most proper form can be weilded to bring the criminal empire to justice, remove authoritarianism completely, remove the false belief that anyone we have ever known has ever lawfully voted, and finally complete the revolution and realize it’s most perfect form which is the exact opposite of the controlled narrative built for putting the mind into their cave of “the world as it is”. One must deprogram and reprogram otherwise the possibilities never exist.

M G
M G
  Nobody
September 11, 2019 10:35 am

NOBODY and I mean Nobody writes a 105 word sentence around a coherent thought like my father could but yet, somehow, you did it here.

Humans seem to embrace madness if they fear CENSURE by those in authority. But CENSURE, while hard to take, is just a way to modify behavior and speech. Not Censor.

Humans can learn to see or not see, depending on perspectives they choose to review, whether they want to or not.

Festering Boil
Festering Boil
September 11, 2019 1:37 am

This is another joo rag article that I completely disagree with. The author has the gall to say people can’t government themselves after his own people are responsible for dumbing down the populace. The reality is, if we threw them all out and all of the other undesirables and got back to “our” on education standards instead of just browsing beating these people who are trying to destroy our country from every percievable angle, we would do just fine.

Soylent Gringo (EC)
Soylent Gringo (EC)
September 11, 2019 10:13 am

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Conejo Rojo
Conejo Rojo
  Soylent Gringo (EC)
September 11, 2019 12:32 pm

OOOH practicing your periods Jim?