Marshall Law For Dummies

Everything I know about Marshall Law in America couldn’t cover a 50-word article. So, since many here seem to think it is a good idea, I did some research.

What is Martial Law?

“Martial law” has no established definition. But, there are reasons for when it can be imposed. (See next question.)  In general terms, these are the “features”;

— used in an emergency (see next question)

— the military replaces civilian authority

— local police no longer enforce laws … soldiers do

— military officers, not elected officials, make policy decisions

— military tribunals replace civilian courts.

When is it usually declared?

Mostly in times of labor disputes (29 times), civil unrest (11), insurrection (7),  natural disaster (4), and war or invasion (2), and 15 “other” times (see link in next question), including three separate times over “a nonviolent dispute between the state government and oil producers over oil production limits”. The link in the next question has a brief synopsis of every instance.

Is it rare in the United States?

This site  (here)   claims Martial law has been declared at least 68 times. Doesn’t seem rare to me.

What happens when it is declared?

At a minimum, certain civil liberties almost certainly be suspended for an indefinite period of time, such as, but not limited to;  the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, freedom of movement, and the writ of habeas corpus (the right to a trial before imprisonment).

More realistically, you will lose many rights.  Life as you know it will be no more.  Read this below (link is in the “Who can declare it?”question.).

On August 20, 1942, military police in Honolulu, Hawaii, arrested a man named Harry White. Under normal circumstances, the U.S. military would not have been involved in his case. He was a stockbroker, not a soldier, and neither he nor his business had any connection with the armed forces. Even his alleged crime — embezzlement of funds from a client — was a violation of civilian, not military, law.

But nothing about Hawaii was normal in 1942. It had been under martial law since the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941. Its courts were closed and replaced with military tribunals. The rules governing everyday life were set not by an elected legislature but by the military governor. The army controlled every aspect of life in the islands, from criminal justice to parking zones and curbside trash removal.

White was brought before a military provost court. His attorney objected to the court’s jurisdiction, requested a jury trial, and asked for time to prepare a defense. But Major Murrell, the presiding military officer, rejected these motions. Instead, just five days after being arrested, White was tried without a jury, convicted, and sentenced to five years in prison.

I think the moral of this story is be careful what you wish for.

Who can declare it?

Short answer; the President or Congress.  A qualified answer; there is strong disagreement regarding the President.  Some insist he can NOT declare Martial Law, while others, albeit a much smaller group,  are equally vociferous that he can.  Going over that debate is not within the scope of this short article.

[For more info, see this research report  titled;  “Martial Law in the United States: Its Meaning, Its History, and Why the President Can’t Declare It”  (here).  It’s by the Brennan Center For Justice.  That sounds scary and swampy.  They claim to be bi-partisan.  Yeah, and I claim to have a twelve inch python in my underwear. It’s along article, and actually interesting, imho.  If you read it you’ll know more about Martial Law than 99% of your friends and family.  Nevertheless, enter and read with caution.]

Can state officials declare Martial Law?

Yes. However, their actions under the declaration must abide by the U.S. Constitution and are subject to review in federal court.

Will the Court and the Constitution protect the people from Martial Law abuses?

Not necessarily. Even Abraham Lincoln conceded that his unilateral suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War was Constitutionally questionable, but defended it as necessary to preserve the Union.

Does Martial Law have limits?

Yes, via the Posse Comitatus Act.

What is the Posse Comitatus Act?

A law passed in 1878.  Specifically, it prevented federal troops from supervising Confederate state elections during Reconstruction. The main thing is that prevents troops from enforcing domestic law .. even to the degree of forbidding federal troops to disperse crowds.The act originally applied only to the Army, but has been amended to include all the other service branches.

Is there an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act?

Yes. It is called the Insurrection Act.

What is the Insurrection Act?

A law passed in 1807.  It gives the President authority to deploy active federal troops or the National Guard under certain circumstances to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, and rebellion. Thomas Jefferson signed it into law to foil Aaron Burr’s attempt to raise an army in the Louisiana Territory. (Here.)   Eisenhower used it to send the 101st Airborne Division to enforce the desegregation of public schools in Arkansas.

Can I be more specific about the “certain circumstances” mentioned above?

Sure.  Specifically, the text states the act can be invoked when; — “a rebellion against the authority of the U.S. makes it impracticable to enforce the laws of the U.S. by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings,”

Can the Insurrection Act be used as a back door to declaring Martial Law?

Yes.  It is what Trump was implying when he said; — “If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.”  The mechanism is rather straightforward.

The President would invoke the Insurrection Act thusly according to the “2006 Congressional Research Service” report.  The President, “must first issue a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse within a limited time, 10 U.S.C. § 334.4. If the situation does not resolve itself, the President may issue an executive order to send in troops.

Unlike Martial Law, the Insurrection Act exists to enforce the law, not replace it. But, it is codified. Martial Law is NOT codified.  Once the military is legally deployed via the Insurrection Act, there is nothing to prevent the President from declaring martial law. Even though it is not sanctioned, he can just do it.

Will the military support Trump if he declares Martial Law?

Who knows?  Some say the Big Boy Brass Balls club — who are all swamp creatures themselves — will not. But, the troops will.  (What? There are no Democrat troops?)

Nevertheless, it does not appear the BBBB will support Trumpian Marshall Law.

— Defense Secretary Mark Esper said;  “As citizens, we exercise our right to vote and participate in government. However, as public servants who have taken an oath to defend these principles, we uphold DoD’s longstanding tradition of remaining apolitical as we carry out our official responsibilities.

— Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said; — “We don’t swear an oath of allegiance to an individual, a king, a queen, a president or anything else. We don’t swear an oath of allegiance to a country, for that matter. We don’t swear an oath of allegiance to a flag, a tribe, a religion or any of that. We swear an oath to an idea, or a set of ideas and values, that are embedded in our Constitution.”

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BONUS SECTION

This entire section is copied and pasted from the aforementioned Brennan Center For Justice.  (here).  It discusses the very first time Marshall Law was implemented in America. I’m tell you, again, that report is a very good read.


U.S. law did not recognize martial law as an emergency power until the mid-19th century. Before that time, the idea of allowing military rule in an emergency was considered outrageous — as evidenced by the national reaction to the first declaration of martial law in U.S. history.

In December 1814, toward the end of the War of 1812, Gen. Andrew Jackson led a small army in the defense of New Orleans against a much larger invading British force. As part of his defensive preparations, Jackson imposed martial law on the city. He censored the press, enforced a curfew, and detained numerous civilians without charge. Moreover, he continued military rule for more than two months after his famous victory at the Battle of New Orleans had ended any real threat from the British.

Jackson argued that his actions were justified because the government in New Orleans had ceased to function as a result of the impending British attack, leaving the military as the only body able to protect the city. In that situation, he claimed, the military had the authority to do anything that was “necessary” to preserve New Orleans. This was a novel argument, and it did little to explain why he kept the city under martial law for so long.

At the time, almost everyone rejected Jackson’s theory, which perhaps is unsurprising. The founding generation had been deeply suspicious of military power. That suspicion is apparent in the Declaration of Independence, which accuses King George III of rendering “the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power” — and in the Constitution, which pointedly divides the war powers between Congress and the president, and requires that the commander in chief always be a civilian.

In an 1815 case, the Louisiana Supreme Court described Jackson’s conduct in New Orleans as “trampling upon the Constitution and laws of our country.”

Similarly, acting Secretary of War Alexander Dallas explained in a letter to Jackson that martial law had no legal existence in the United States outside of the Articles of War, the predecessor to the modern Uniform Code of Military Justice. Overall, the consensus in 1815 was that martial law was simply another term for military law, and that military jurisdiction could extend no further than the armed forces themselves.

After Jackson relinquished control of New Orleans back to its civilian government, the local federal district judge held him in contempt of court, fining him $1,000. Jackson paid the fine, and for the next 27 years, nothing more came of the incident. However, in the early 1840s, the now-aging former president orchestrated a campaign in Congress to refund him the cost of the fine, plus interest.

The ensuing congressional refund debates marked the beginning of a shift in how Americans understood martial law. By pursuing a refund, Jackson hoped to set a precedent for, as one historian put it, “the legitimacy of violating the Constitution and civil liberties in times of national emergency.” He got exactly what he wanted. Congress enacted the refund bill in February 1844, symbolically endorsing Jackson’s three-month-long imposition of martial law in New Orleans almost 30 years after it had ended.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
December 30, 2020 7:51 am

You did some junior detective research and slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Army Intelligence is occupied by Israeli Cambridge Analytica and they invented team Trump. The U.S. military has been compromised by bankers since the Mexican War. Will you be needing any more revelations?

olde reb
olde reb
  Anonymous
December 31, 2020 5:24 pm

Would martial law permit Trump to extradite Joe Biden to Ukraine to face criminal charges ?
Shucks. What am I saying ? Nobody follows the law anymore. The FBI, DOJ, State Department, AG’s of Penn and GA have each confirmed that. The current King of the WH can do no wrong. Full speed ahead. Biden can plea for Due Process from solitary to Roberts all he wants.

Warren
Warren
December 30, 2020 8:10 am

What about Biden Martial Law, to deal with Climate change or Covid? Declare states like Florida and Mississippi in insurrection for not invoking Covid lockdowns and mask mandates?
If they think they can get away with it they will

Llpoh
Llpoh
December 30, 2020 8:19 am

Stuck says: “ Everything I know about Marshall Law in America couldn’t cover a 50-word article. ”

Given there is no such thing as Marshall Law, that is not surprising.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Llpoh
December 30, 2020 10:14 am

Because it’s Martial Law…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Llpoh
December 30, 2020 11:24 am

I assumed it was an article about law in the Marshall Islands.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 11:37 am

Marshall Thurgood. They’ve made a movie about ol’ Marshall and how he traveled the south looking to save unjustly accused Negros….

Machinist
Machinist
  Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 3:27 pm

I thought he meant Marshal Dillon.

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
  Llpoh
December 30, 2020 2:14 pm
Llpoh
Llpoh
December 30, 2020 8:22 am

A good primer on martial law. I knew most of it, bur there were a few details I of which I was unaware. Thanks, Stuck.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 10:20 am

No…On a national basis, if declared by a sane person, civilians would be little affected, as was the case when Ike used the IA in Little Rock….And what Constitutional rights do you think you actually have, in light of the Covid Nazis’ destruction of your freedoms and the wholesale vote fraud, both of which are being ignored by the Legislature, Media, and Courts?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 11:25 am

Just don’t say anything about the Ch@tham Police.

Tree Mike
Tree Mike
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 5:24 pm

Stuck, you can say that for now… but don’t forget the Truth and Reconciliation Committees in our confessional futures. They may take a dim view of such Reactionary writings. Best to embrace Self Censoring and Correct Think early. All Hail to Dear Leader, Chairman Biden. sarc off…comrade.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 11:11 am

While no precise definition of martial law exists, a precedent for it exists wherein, “certain civil liberties may be suspended, such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and freedom of movement. And the writ of habeas corpus [the right to a trial before imprisonment] may be suspended,” according to documents from JRANK, an online legal encyclopedia.

When Obama was pushing for the Muslim Brotherhood drone, Mohamed Morsi, to take control of the Egyptian government, the military, acting under the orders of El-sisi, stepped in, took over and removed Morsi and declared themselves the government. That is martial law.

As to Trump declaring martial law? Nope. He can invoke the Insurrection Act which is tantamount to declaring martial law. I seriously doubt he will do much except bluster and then stomp off, letting the
Pedo and Ho illegally fill the office of president.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Llpoh
December 30, 2020 9:51 am

Agreed, a great synopsis.

Ghost
Ghost
December 30, 2020 9:42 am

I do not like your conclusion but I cannot find fault with your logic.

Ghost
Ghost
  Ghost
December 31, 2020 9:31 am
Ghost
Ghost
December 30, 2020 9:42 am

We need MyGirl…maybe to tell us a story about Marshall Law and his lady friend Diamond Lil.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Ghost
December 30, 2020 10:10 am

Actually that kind of law man is spelled Marshal. It’s all so GD confusing.

Ghost
Ghost
  Cow Doctor
December 30, 2020 1:05 pm

Could Trump Marshall Support for Martial Law?

I know!!!

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Ghost
December 30, 2020 11:27 am

McGill, her name was McGill and she called herself Lil. but everyone knew her as Nancy. She was a two bit whore, a slut, round-heeled and nasty, willing to go down on anyone or anything if it gave her status and power. She’d suck off Stucky’s donkey’s dick if it gave her status and prestige, she had specially made industrial strength knee pads for all the BJ’s she was willing to perform.

Compared to Kamala she was Mother Theresa.

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 1:07 pm

That depends on how much status and prestige your donkey offers McGill Lil.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Stucky
December 30, 2020 4:08 pm

Do you have a donkey?

Ghost
Ghost
  Mygirl....maybe
December 30, 2020 1:06 pm

Nice pacing.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
December 30, 2020 9:54 am

This is a great synopsis Stucky and brings up a lot of good points. Definitely this is a double edge sword and we must be careful what we ask for. Could be going from the frying pan to the fire.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
December 30, 2020 10:13 am

Wrong..The Insurrection Act, as amended in 2006, gives the President unlimited powers under the Act, for an indefinite period of time…and he can punish States in rebellion by disqualifying their electors, amongst other things….

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  pyrrhuis
December 30, 2020 11:28 am

That’s like a law saying the president can do a 7 foot high jump.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 11:51 am

Seven foot high jump? Shit, this here be Trump, the man can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl....maybe
December 30, 2020 1:08 pm

Where are the Qanons when you need them most?

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
December 30, 2020 10:22 am

Completely wrong…a majority of his supporters would welcome it to overturn this fraudulent “election”, if necessary, and he has unlimited powers under the 2006 amendments to the IA…

ottomatik
ottomatik
  pyrrhuis
December 30, 2020 8:12 pm

Arrested? By who? It doesn’t appear you have thought it out. Or do you maintain Trump will initiate but nobody will listen and pretend he didn’t.
Cuz it looks like he has cordoned off all of spec op’s and likely the Marines. And coincidentally enough it would take a compliant deep state AG to issue such an arrest order, but Barr is gone. So it appears he has made all the right moves at just the right time to me.
That said, I think he has something else planned and made the moves just in case a last resort is needed and also to fuck with all of the traitors.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
December 30, 2020 10:24 am

the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, freedom of movement,

Unreasonable searches and seizures have been going on for years. We are now under medical martial law and have lost freedom of association and movement. Our 1st amendment rights have also been regularly under attack as have our 2nd. Really, what more do we have to lose at this point? I am far from advocating martial law. I think it’s a terrible idea. I’m just trying to point out that we are already living under a sort of modified martial law right now and we should be fighting to get those rights back instead of asking for more to be taken away.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Mary Christine
December 30, 2020 2:13 pm

Hi, Mary C….

I couldn’t agree more, and grabbed the same section:

“At a minimum, certain civil liberties almost certainly be suspended for an indefinite period of time, such as, but not limited to; the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, freedom of movement, and the writ of habeas corpus (the right to a trial before imprisonment).”

All of the above are ongoing now, with the COVID ‘Lockstep’. As to the writ of habeas corpus, (above my paygrade) I think that’s already been covered when Obama signed the NDAA on New Year’s Eve 2011. I don’t know about the provision within that bill being extended to the present, but I made an appearance before our county commission concerning the declaration of indefinite detention. The local newspaper misrepresented the concerns I expressed, and the editor gave me a half a page to explain it…..which I did.

“On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history”

“The law does not require even an allegation that a detained person caused any harm or threat of harm to the United States or to any U.S. interest. Mere allegation of membership in, or support of, an alleged terrorist group could be the basis for indefinite detention.”

https://www.aclu.org/other/talking-points-2012-national-defense-authorization-act-ndaa

Is there a difference between martial and admiral law?

“For example, Abraham Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. Martial law has not been lifted yet from his declaration of martial law, over a hundred years ago. This Awareness indicates that any time entities in power want to do something that is illegal under the Constitution, they go simply ahead with it under the principle of the martial law declared by Lincoln. That is how the Executive Orders are presented. They are Executive Orders based on martial law that has not been lifted. This is also referred to as admiralty law.”

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/martiallaw.htm#:~:text=The%20Admiralty%20Law%20can%20provide%20statutes%2C%20which%20are,to%20create%20martial%20law%20in%20this%20country%20again.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—–====

WillamC
WillamC
December 30, 2020 10:28 am

The Insurretion Act gives the President the authority to call out the MALITA. There was no such thing as the National Guard in 1807. The malitia is the people. Per 2nd Amendment: A well regulated malitia.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  WillamC
December 30, 2020 11:14 am

malitia? Go call out the MALITIA, that’ll show ’em…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Mygirl....maybe
December 30, 2020 11:29 am

I think it was a put-on.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 11:45 am

Ok, I looked up malitia…

What does the name malitia mean?
malitia f ( genitive malitiae ); first declension. a bad quality; badness, wicked. spite, malice; an act of malice. cunning, artfulness.

So perhaps it was serious? Then again, there’s also MALITA which I think is a brand of coffee.

Machinist
Machinist
  Mygirl....maybe
December 30, 2020 3:43 pm

Obama’s daughter?

RayK
RayK
December 30, 2020 11:30 am

It’s Martial Law, not Marshall Law.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  RayK
December 30, 2020 11:41 am

It’s Martial Law, not Marshall Law.

Sez who? What you got against Marshall? What’d he ever do to you? Hmmmm?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 11:31 am

This thread has the potential of having the funniest comments ever. I laughed out loud over the title. We just need to tie it into Wendy’s and micro aggressions.

Administrator
Administrator
Admin
  Iska Waran
December 30, 2020 11:49 am

I love when newbies don’t get the inside jokes of long-time TBPers. Stuck always made fun of someone who used Marshall rather than Martial.

The same thing happens when we use Moran instead of Moron. That guy holding the sign is a classic. I got Smokey with Maroon.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Administrator
December 30, 2020 1:53 pm

I was embarrassed when I did it, but got off with a simple correction from EC….(or maybe Maggie). My memory is slippin a bit.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <——===

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Administrator
December 30, 2020 3:10 pm

I spelled it wrong once and was corrected by Fleabaggs. Spelling lose “loose” is what drives me crazy.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Mary Christine
December 30, 2020 4:11 pm

There, their, they’re….

Nemo
Nemo
December 31, 2020 9:37 am

I tried to read this but could not get past the Marshall.

Nemo