Elimination of the Soul

Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer

For those of you unfamiliar with Rudolph Steiner, he was the author of The Philosophy of Freedom as well as the creator of the Waldorf School movement that has gained popularity in the last century with the granola set. He was all over the place with his esoteric writing on a multitude of subjects from biodynamic agriculture to anthroposophical medicine.

Like numerous luminaries of his day, he developed a loyal following among the fringes, but as time has passed many of his groundbreaking ideas have found traction in practical applications. I found this particular passage prescient and worthy of serious consideration in light of the globalist push to vaccinate the entire population of the planet for reasons known only to themselves.

Via Slowerase

“Eliminate The Soul With Medicine”

More than a hundred years ago, Rudolf Steiner wrote the following:

“In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine. Under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’, there will be a vaccine by which the human body will be treated as soon as possible directly at birth, so that the human being cannot develop the thought of the existence of soul and Spirit.

To materialistic doctors, will be entrusted with the task of removing the soul of humanity. As today, people are vaccinated against this disease or disease, so in the future, children will be vaccinated with a substance that can be produced precisely in such a way that people, thanks to this vaccination, will be immune to being subjected to the “madness” of spiritual life. He would be extremely smart, but he would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.

With such a vaccine, you can easily make the etheric body loose in the physical body. Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable, and man would become an automaton, for the physical body of man must be polished on this Earth by spiritual will.

So, the vaccine becomes a kind of arymanique force; man can no longer get rid of a given materialistic feeling. He becomes materialistic of constitution and can no longer rise to the spiritual.”

– Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925)

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79 Comments
TheAssegai
TheAssegai
July 31, 2021 8:33 pm

Most excellent Steiner quote. Look into his study of structured water, the forth phase of water also.

Doctor de Vaca
Doctor de Vaca
July 31, 2021 8:33 pm

Nothing more Satanic than that.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
July 31, 2021 8:44 pm

When one compares the living being with the one that no longer lives, what is missing? Despite all of the chemical reactions that might still be going on, despite whatever else, it is clear that the dead body is no longer “animated.” That is the soul, or life-force, that makes the difference between those two states. He clearly seems to think that there are “partitions” or similar in this part of existence. There is truly no difference even between the electrons, atoms, molecules, or anything else that makes up everything, yet at the moment the meat sack is left behind, the animating force no longer inhabits or associates with the meat sack. The proposal is preposterous on its face, and even when one scratches the surface.

Sadly however, the concept of destroying the conscience of the individual, the sense of individuality, the part of the individual that knows the difference between right and wrong, etc. can surely be destroyed, leaving little more than a pseudo-automaton in its place that blindly follows orders and cares nothing about itself or others.

THAT has been the primary purpose of government-controlled schooling since the early 1900s, and to a major extent, it has been a resounding success.

Stucky
Stucky
  MrLiberty
July 31, 2021 8:52 pm

You mention soul in the first paragraph, and consciousness in the second. Are they the same, or different?

Also, where does “mind” fit in?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 9:39 pm

Nope, said soul and conscience as in the thing that helps you distinguish between right and wrong. Don’t think I would actually consider consciousness and the soul to be different.

Flim Flam
Flim Flam
  MrLiberty
July 31, 2021 10:06 pm

Mr. L. He doesn’t give two hoots what you said, he just has to bring every thread around to him as the centerpiece. What a pittieable mental state to be trapped in. Always craving attention but never having enough.
Pray for his poor soul.

Voltara
Voltara
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 10:13 pm

That’s a good question Ol’ Stucky.

Most people aren’t conscious. They are automatons who react to external stimuli. They do not consciously choose their path thru life.

Humans are not born with a soul. We’re here to make one through conscious labor and intentional suffering.

True consciousness comes from outside ourselves. it is something we connect with, many say through the pineal gland (3rd eye).

Humans have three brains, an instinctive, an emotional and an intellectual. In the rare conscious human they work cooperatively. Most of us live only in the intellect which you describe as the “mind”. Most spiritual practice which has not been corrupted is about aligning the three human brains.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Voltara
July 31, 2021 11:00 pm

American Standard Version
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And LORD JEHOVAH God formed Adam of the dust from the soil, and breathed into his face the breath of life, and Adam was a living soul.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And God formed the man of dust of the earth, and breathed upon his face the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.

Arthur
Arthur
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 3:36 am

Yes. We are souls, endowed by God with the spirit, the breath of life.

Steiner is speaking of the elimination not of the soul but of its capacity for spirituality. This elimination is accomplished in many ways, but we are all equipped to resist and retain and even restore our spirituality should it be lost.

Vaccination represents one avenue of spiritual destruction in its enactment of an implicit faith that man knows better than his Creator and can improve on His work.

flash
flash
  Arthur
August 1, 2021 8:36 am

We are spirits having a human experience.

“The physical body is not truly ours, it belongs to planet earth. We can call it our own while we reside in it but it does not belong to us. ” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
August 1, 2021 12:05 pm

And God said, “you’ll own nothing, and be miserable.”

The Orangutan
The Orangutan
  flash
January 13, 2023 2:24 pm

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Now here’s Tom with the Weather.”
― Bill Hicks

Guest
Guest
  Voltara
July 31, 2021 11:05 pm

I’m beginning to believe it’s something like this and I’m a Christian.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Guest
August 1, 2021 12:51 am

No you’re not.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Voltara
August 1, 2021 12:51 am

You contradict yourself from sentence to sentence.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 7:31 am

Life seems to be a contradiction these days what with the mass insanity gripping the world. It seems that many are able to hold contradictory positions on a daily basis.

flash
flash
  Voltara
August 1, 2021 8:32 am

NPC’s are people too!!!!

Stucky
Stucky
  Voltara
August 1, 2021 8:50 am

“That’s a good question Ol’ Stucky.”

A good question?? Really??? I got 4 thumbs down for merely asking a sincere question.

And you got 6 thumbs down for giving a short and honest answer.

Oh yeah, but we love to pat ourselves on the back for our commitment to open and honest debate …. by golly, there’s no other place like it on all the internet!!!

What a fucken load of bullshit.

This place has just as much a “hive mentality” as any other website, including libtard ones. Very few here are open to views other than their own … it’s their way, or you’re a fucking asshole, shit-stirrer, dumbass, etc etc. Go with the flow Big Guy … or else!! We’ll get along only if you play along.

That’s the goddamned truth no matter what the knee-jerk reaction might be. But, Stucky never plays along.

There’s about 20 – 25 regulars here who are not like that. It’s the reason I continue to post here. You know who your are. The rest of you can go suck DDD.

anon I
anon I
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 9:40 am

Baloney. You of all people do more to block free speech here than all the others put together. Anyone who questions you gets the Alinsky playbook thrown at them.
The troll was right about you. It has to be about stucky all the time, every topic.
Typical of an Alynskyite you flee from the presence of real evidence. Like yesterday for instance.

Stucky
Stucky
  anon I
August 1, 2021 9:59 am

” It has to be about stucky all the time, every topic.”

You are more obsessed about me than I am. Keep pushing that meme if it makes you feel better.

I post a lot in the comments section. I’ve submitted several thousand articles of the past decade plus … copy and paste, as well as original.

Do I talk about my family or myself from time to time? I sure do. So do others.

But, all the time? Hardly. My life — especially now as a full time caretaker for mom — is hardly worth talking about “all the time”.

It’s clear what the real issue is. Your just a jealous little bitch because I am a prolific commenter and submitter of articles, whose comments usually generate many votes (both ups, and downs) …. while you are mostly ignored. Deep in your heart you wanna be like me, but you can’t manage it.

Boo hoo. Boo hoo hoo. The tears of a klown.

Stucky
Stucky
  anon I
August 1, 2021 10:06 am

“Typical of an Alynskyite you flee from the presence of real evidence. Like yesterday for instance.”

I saw your response.

Actually, I read comments via Dashboard … and I saw your name. And I skipped right past it. Didn’t read a single word. Really.

I have very little to no interest in getting into a debate with you. You made your point, I responded, … that’s all I will do with you.

Please, feel free to do the same with me. Just fucken ignore me. I would LOVE that!

But, it eats at you that I didn’t respond to whatever it is you wrote. Just another indication of your obsession with me.

For krissakes, get a fucken dog!

anon I
anon I
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 10:26 am

You idiot I rarely even talk to you but you came out of nowhere yesterday to trash me over my comment about Jew being a modern construct. Remember? Then as usual when anyone not just me, presents real evidence you slink away.
Today’s comment was about the flagrant lie about you being a champion of free speech. You are one seriously insecure little jerk.

Stucky
Stucky
  anon I
August 1, 2021 10:38 am

Aaaaaand, the douche nozzle whines at me again! Just can’t stop thinking about ol’ Stucky, can ya? HAHAHAHA!

Actual picture of Anon I singing his love ballad to Stucky!

Voltara
Voltara
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 11:03 pm

It was a good question, ol’ Stucky. The debate and name calling it provoked prove that.

People who have been raised in a formal religion are very attached to the idea they have a soul and that they are eternal spiritual beings.

The esoteric/gnostic tradition is that you have the potential for a soul but the purpose of life is to “coat” or “crystallise” your higher being body which can then exist permanently on a higher plane which is composed of this same material.

I spent many years in an esoteric school where these things are taught. The fine details are considered to be secret knowledge which should not be revealed.

If you’re interested in these ideas I would suggest reading the first 6 chapters of “in search of the miraculous” by pd ouspensky. I think you’d it.

Downvote away! Cheers!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 13, 2023 2:30 pm

This place has just as much a “hive mentality” as any other website

Certainly if anyone asks for clarification about this God entity and its ‘word’.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Voltara
August 1, 2021 9:15 am

Good to see a fellow worker on the thread. As you can no doubt see this covid business is really showing us where humanity is in our evolution through time. Comparing with JG Bennett’s fourth volume “The Dramatic Universe” Homo sapience is really going through a dramatic moment in history.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Voltara
August 1, 2021 11:04 am

No, everyone is born with a soul, and we can perceive that soul from the moment of birth, as I can attest from seeing my kids born…It’s a wondrous thing…

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
July 31, 2021 8:57 pm

Man is an automation as long as he does not connect with his conscious awareness. The soul cannot be eliminated. That is because the soul does not think; or emote, it only experiences through our senses. In other words the soul is a sensuous creature.

We have come to a point in our evolution where more people are waking up to the true reality around them. As this accelerates the false narratives we live under today will fall away and a new path will open for humanity to follow.

The Covid 19 occurrence has shown us that are awake who the tyrants are in our government all the way down to the local level. More people need to be aware of these tyrants. Not only tyrants but incompetents because they have no vision of change.

Stucky
Stucky
  Thunderbird
July 31, 2021 9:11 pm

You say that –“the soul cannot be eliminated”.

You also say that the soul — “experiences through our senses”.

But, when the body dies, the five senses die with it.

Therefore, it seems that the soul can be eliminated.

God
God
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 9:29 pm

Who says that when the body dies, the senses die with it? Bullshit!

The senses are YOU, dumbass. The senses are you. And YOU are your soul. You cannot be eliminated.

Jayzus. Why did I bother?

Stucky
Stucky
  God
July 31, 2021 9:45 pm

Shit. Fuck.

Now even GOD is calling me a dumbass???

I hate this place. I’m quitting. Have a nice life, folks.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 10:13 pm

Stucky, dont quit! You are hilarious. And you a s k good questions.

It is easy to get lost in the terms. I’m for term limits.

Stucky
Stucky
  messianicdruid
July 31, 2021 11:18 pm

No worries, mate. I was just joking, bullshiting, having fun.

Any day GOD replies to you is a good day, regardless if it’s good news or bad.

Doc
Doc
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 1:39 am

I was going to say – I’ve never known you to run away from somebody calling you a dumbass!!

The soul and the 5 senses aren’t eliminated at all – they move on to a different place. I presume that it’s in a different dimension (most likely time).

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 10:19 pm

The leaves of many trees die in the fall of the year but what really happens is the life sap of the leaf goes back into the trunk and the root of the tree during it’s dormant period.

The human body is the vehicle of the soul in this realm and when the body dies the soul has no way to express in this realm. I never implied that the soul was a particle in the material realm. But soul and consciousness must be cut from the same cloth because when the soul is gone so is consciousness.

There are many human bodies living here that have no soul. How do I know that? Because people with an awakened soul have passion. Passion is not emotion. Passion is life expressing. Passion is the soul expressing while emotion is the body expressing. Emotion is a counterfeit to passion. Many I encounter today do not display passion.

Spiritual physics imply that the soul is eternal and does not die. It is a quantum phenomena.

Stucky
Stucky
  Thunderbird
July 31, 2021 11:25 pm

Thank you!

And also big thanks to Voltara, Mr. Liberty and the Anon for replying.

Flim Flam is a troll and is quite wrong about me not giving “two hoots” about your answers. (Actually, evidence shows he’s pretty much wrong about everything.)

Ever since Ms Freud died I have taken a renewed great interest in whether or not consciousness survives the death of the body. I’m even reading for the third time a book titled “You are not your brain”.

Thanks, again.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 9:02 am

Consciousness of course survives the body. It is what animates it in the first place.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Stucky
August 2, 2021 4:48 am

Here’s your book, Stucky: Man and Woman and Child by Harold Percival

The question we must answer is this one: “What is it that is conscious and knows that it is conscious.”

The soul is immortal and comes into the body after birth. It is not intelligent.

The mind of the man on earth is triune: Body-Mind, Feeling, and Desire. There are only four senses, not five. Feeling is not a sense but exists in the blood and nerves.

We are not our bodies any more than clothing is part of the body. We are conscious beings in a body and not of the body. As we progress, if we do, by comprehending that we are not the body and by discovering what to do and what not to do, we can transform the body into an immortal body. This is no different than instructions in the Bible to become one from two which requires sexual thoughts to be extinguished.

Simon Peter said to them: “Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life.”
Jesus said: “Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male, so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you.”
(But I say to you): “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.”

They said to Him: “Shall we then, being children, enter the Kingdom?” Jesus said to them: “When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below, and when you make the male and the female into a single one, then you shall enter the kingdom.”

Jesus said, “If those who lead you say to you, ‘See, the kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father.”

Essential reading if only the last few paragraphs:http
//thewordfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Sex-by-Harold-W-Percival.pdf

Leo Tolstoy “As we live through thousands of dreams in our present life, so is our present life only one of many thousands of such lives which we enter from the other more real life and then return after death. Our life is but one of the dreams of that more real life, and so it is endlessly, until the very last one, the very real the life of God.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson “The soul comes from without into the human body, as into a temporary abode, and it goes out of it anew it passes into other habitations, for the soul is immortal.”

Carl Jung “My life often seemed to me like a story that has no beginning and no end. I had the feeling that I was an historical fragment, an excerpt for which the preceding and succeeding text was missing. I could well imagine that I might have lived in former centuries and there encountered questions I was not yet able to answer; that I had been born again because I had not fulfilled the task given to me.”

Towards the end of his Republic Plato turned his attention towards the immorality of the soul. For Plato goodness needs to be understood without considering its consequences. Goodness is its own reward – an end in itself and not a means to an end. Nevertheless, Plato argues that the just man is rewarded not only in his lifetime (i.e. by his society) but to an even greater extent after death. Plato believed that the soul was fundamentally pure but becomes deformed through association with the body. Despite this it retains something of its true nature – and shows this through longing for wisdom.

Socrates I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, that the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in existence.

Benjamin Franklin When I see nothing annihilated, and not even a drop of water wasted, I cannot suspect the annihilation of souls Thus finding myself to exist in the world, I believe I shall, in some shape or other, always exist; with all the inconveniences human life is liable to, I shall not object to a new edition of mine; hoping, however, that the errata of the last may be corrected.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thunderbird
August 1, 2021 4:34 am

it might be useful to help settle centuries of people getting their panties in a twist over nitpicks, to consider that souls/consciousness belong to another aspect of existence, analogous to the physical universe of matter, and indeed the miracle is the interaction and connection between soul-stuff and matter-energy stuff. Soul-stuff would have its own analogous rules of operation as we call the laws of physics for matter-energy-stuff. Soul-stuff and matter-energy-stuff don’t get to directly interact with each other except through that miracle which we could well attribute to god. There wouldnt be a single discrete soul anymore than there is a single discrete rock, that absolutely must be only that rock forever and ever. the rock can be split apart, or can be built into something bigger, what’s important is that as a basic physical level the rock’s matter is moved around, rearranged, etc, but not destroyed, though its configuration can be radically altered and functionally parts of the rock might end up being part of very separate later structures we’d consider entirely distinct.
Likewise soul-stuff. Just as our bodies take in food, water, air, etc, and build ourselves, maintain ourselves, constantly regenerate ourselves, and this collection of stuff we call our body, and as long as we manage to stay alive this continues, and once we fail to keep this up we start falling apart and then die, well, likewise with the soul- from the first spark of life a soup begins to form, but it grows, gathers soul-stuff, is nurtured and fed by soul-stuff from those close byt, parents, family, society, everything- , stronger more brilliant souls are better at taking in soul-stuff and building better structures out of it. Just as some sronger phsyical parts of our bodies can last for centuries or millennia or eons, say bones or teeth etc, so can tough strong parts of our souls long outlast the rest of the structure. If the connection between soul-structure and physical-structure is broken the strucutres start falling apart. Some physical structures get by with no (apparent?) soul-connection. We’d generally consider these to not be living things. Somewhere the spark of life exists, and exactly where one draws the line, well, maybe it’s a spectrum- do self-replicating proteins have any connection to soul-stuff, even a tiny tiny bit? maybe?
what it might make sense to consider then is that where any connection between soul-stuff and physical-stuff occurs, this connection fosters complexity and organization at a higher level- and we recognize that connection and call it life. Humans are thus far the most complex things we’ve encountered. Where does god fit into all this? god makes that connection possible. We have been given the gift but it is not to us to give it on to anything else- we can make very fancy machines but they’re still just rocks- even complex rocks sustained at great expense by external support (mechanically, thermodynamically, etc) – these rocks have no connection to soul-stuff and never will.
When we die, our soul suffers disintegration the same as our bodies- which material also gets recycled back into the environment. Our biological matter will be reconfigured by all kinds of other living things (or maybe not, who knows, i might fall into a volcano or something) and the bits of our soul might drift about according to whatever physics of soul-stuff is in force which we havent really figured out, and other growing spirits out there might attract, grab, and take in tose bits, building them into their own souls just as we did as we grew up and built ours.

This then settles both the childishly naive interpretation that specific individual souls of specific personalities stay around forever, the equally simplistic idea of single individual souls reincarnating, the obvious problems of conservation and quantity of those, it also explains how as we have so grossly overpopulated our physical being as a species, to go from being noble and brilliant creatures, to being almost insects in some kind of hive (yuck!), tha5t a large number of these people have been, essentialy, starved of soul-stuff. Just as individuals in a population are some stronger or quicker or better formed than others, and thus quicker to get to the food and water, while the others atrophy, so with our souls. weve filled the world up with yeast-growth people, who the majority of them have been eating up miore and more soul-stuff from an essentially finite pool. Most of those spirits were not strong enough to feed themselves and for lack of nourishment atrophied even worse. Theyre still lingering, but just as the majority of listless near-starving animals in a drought linger. Worse, eveil and graspoing peoople have probably figured enough of this out to deliberately try to prevent the majority of those people from acquiring, or properly structuring, or retaining, or otherwise thriving, with their spirit-stuff, to gorge themselves on more of it. Anything, including the simple procedure of straight-off killing a person, will ‘free up’ some amount of soul stuff which maybe these monsters think they can grab. A glutton in the spiritual world, a parasite that devours everything, a spiritual tapeworm, is the same as a glutton, a parasite, a tapeworm, in the physical realm.
the natural mechanism of collapse is perfectly suited to get us back into balance. The monsters of course have no sene of balance and on the one hand want it all for themselves, and on the other think they have some secret powers which allow them to do this and somehow escape the laws of physics (the laws in both realms, the material and the spiritual) to rival god.

is this concept christian? certainly not. though i would posit that the vast majorirty of christian (or buddhist, or whatever) doctrine is entirely orthogonal to this explanation of the functioning of the soul-matter interface. That god takes an interest in his creation for ehatever reasons motivate him, and finds ways to communicate advice or hints, is an entirely different matter to how the basics work. That the majority of religious dogma is simply made by humans, inspired yes but always fallible and prone to limitations of persepctive, knowledge, predisposition, and so on, still human, is enough to show how we have had so many god-inspired people proclaiming so many different messages. They proclaim mainly their own message, and so foten these things collide with agendas of power and ego here in human society and any pispired message is under great poressure to be perverted to serve more immediate and smallminded purposes.

so this concept is not christian, but i think a christian could square these thoughts with the basics of christianity, keeping in mind that much of the dogma of christianity has also been abused (so much that christians can hardly agree on many points, much less followers of other faiths)
does this make me less a christian than someone who reels in horrow from my words? hard to say.
i developed this idea a long time ago and found a way to reconcile it with my christian faith. i think it’s safe to say that much of scripture and the philosophy built around it is the work of men, inspired men, but nonetheless men. it is instructive, and some parts certainly seem to be more instructive than others, and the large part of the actual practice of our faith is in trying to interpret and apply that intruction to the living of our lives.
one instruction that seems to be universal for all humans should be the obvious tendency to use the faculties of reason and intelligence we have been given to ponder the nature of things.

ok this is getting long.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 9:06 am

Anon – I’d like your stuff better if you had a name. Have you ever noticed : JWs never put their name on anything, no one willing to stand up or defend what they by-live [ believe ].

Many are using “soul” and “spirit” interchangably.

Spirits don’t breath. Aw-dawm became a living soul when his body was infused with his spirit. When we are infused into our bodies is debatable, some say conception some say at birth, I think because we are getting our ‘breath’ from our mother. Maybe it takes months to accomplish.

Justification happens once [ once saved always saved ]. Sanctification takes place [ if it does ] while our spirits inhabit our bodies [ while we are living souls ]. After the body and spirit separate [ no more soul ] the spirit is asleep [ the dead know nothing – about what is going on now ] until it is infused into a new body [ flesh and bone vs. flesh and blood ] called a “mansion” [ high end property ].

The first resurrection will involve those who overcame “the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life”. They will be the kings and priests during the thousand years.

“Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  messianicdruid
August 1, 2021 2:23 pm

i dont have a problem with using my name in person but online we arent in an era so friendly to that…
yes, i suppose one ought to be more rigorous about terminology- there i would say, the soul is made of spirit-stuff, as the body is made of material-stuff.
however in their

that bit was all rather stream-of-thought, its an uncommon chance one gets to discuss such matters.

id say that it is a mistake to put the spiritual as all the the material as nothing, just as much as it is a mistake (the modernist fad) to make the material all and deny the spiritual. the miracle of life is the unification of spirit and matter, and indeed, as someone else so well put it here, and the manifestation of the living organism in the material world is the body, so in the spiritual realm its manifestation is the soul. the link between the two and the balance and health of them is the miracle of life. material stuff without any soul , is rocks. spirit-stuff without any body, well, we have not been very good about exploring the spiritual in any systematic way foir a long time, so we know so much less about it, and so much of what we think we know is mixed up with other gibberish.
in the ancient world, it was thought that spiritual and material inhabit the same universe and mix all over the place. This could be one way of thinking about it, but it led to the fallacy that the spiritual could be cajoled and manipulated through material tricks. Investigations into more purely spiritual approaches began to emerge in the 6th and 5th centuries bc, east and west. this is when greek philosophy really exploded, this is when buddha began teaching, this is when the daoists began in china, the magians in persia really got underway…
but even the greeks only got part of the way to trying to comprehensively map things out, and they all continued supposing that spiritual and material could be mixed up in arbitrary ways. christianity gave us a strong slant of rejection of the material, but also of rejection of investigation and questioning- all answers were solely in scripture were they not? and a single goal of salvation overrode any other interest. from late antiquity on, any further investigation it the nature of the universe remained in the dubious realm of alchemy… and that of course is rightly derided as being a scene of scammers and con artists and desperate men seeking an easy path to riches of long life… but in the same scene alchemy was also , much less often, a venue for genuine investigation. still they kept confusing spiritual and material by supposing that spiritual sttributes could be manipulated in and out of material objects through crude chemical operations. Futile of course.
Only after the renaissance had soaked through the civilization for a century or two did people begin breaking out of the alchemical mode of thinking and developing what we call natural philosphy. and some of the thinkers of that era, leading into the enlgithenment, began thinking about matter, spirit, god, and the connectionm, and thinking about these things in a way more systematic and rigorous than anything since some branches of greek philosophy two thousand years before.
We were on a roll. One of the highest achievments of that era was manifested in the material realm but was a spiritual achievment: the foundation of america on new principles of how a society is originated and a government derives its right to exist and govern. and yet we got distracted. we lost the path. the physical investigations of natural philosophy yielded faster and more alluring results- which opened up the industrial revolution and the creation of a new empire of the purely material- the cult of the machine, the cult of death, the cult of no-spirit. Even religion got jammed into a cramped corner and learned to accept its new accomodations as an accessory to a purely material society.
Very few people continued to investigate the spirit world, and even then most of it was quackery and nonsense.. but it was no longer even a respectable path of inquiry, so nothing but quackery ever remained in view.

once the empire of the machine, this death cult, collapses away, thats when humanity can start getting its bearings again to start figuring out how the spiritual world works in a way we might be able to talk about the way we discuss the material world. Theyre not the same, but they have their strongest bridge twixt the two in our very own lives as human beings. Theres got to be something important in that!

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 4:54 pm

AnonymousReluctant:

“…all answers were solely in scripture were they not? ”

Truth is where you find it. It is like a message in a bottle, if you can get a two way conversation going, you get more answers.

We still live in “bible times”.

Arthur
Arthur
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 3:16 am

Correct. We are souls. Death eliminates souls. We look to resurrection to restore us to life after death.

flash
flash
  Arthur
August 1, 2021 9:46 am
very old white guy
very old white guy
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 7:31 am

The soul is not the spirit and yes the soul does die.

Stucky
Stucky
July 31, 2021 8:59 pm

Germans sure do produce more than their fair share of people with Weird Assed ideas.

I’m sorry, but his quote didn’t make much sense to me.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 9:14 pm

He does sound like an interesting fellow, though.

“Steiner claimed to have access to higher spiritual planes that gave him insights into reincarnation, links between cosmic bodies and plant growth, and evolutionary history, including the years of Jesus’s life not covered by the Bible and the sunken continent of Atlantis.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/10/ginger-root-and-meteorite-dust-the-steiner-covid-cures-offered-in-germany

credit
credit
July 31, 2021 9:12 pm

my daughter and i had a discussion about a possible post vaccine-ocalypse in which parent-less children would need to be cared for in groups, scads of nurses and doctors die, nursing homes are abandoned, prisons are thrown open, nuclear plant employees are insufficient, truck drivers won’t leave their families home alone, farm crops rot in fields’ refineries don’t refine, garbage men don’t come to work, oil workers abandon their rigs…yet there was no way we could imagine the many more unknown parts of the unfolding. only hope is left.

Stucky
Stucky
  credit
July 31, 2021 9:21 pm

So that’s how to talk with daughters? (I had 2 sons.)

Holy shit. If you told me that horror story when I was a kid … I’d probably have to kill you.

credit
credit
  Stucky
July 31, 2021 10:12 pm

she’s 42 . daughter does not always equal kid

Stucky
Stucky
  credit
July 31, 2021 11:27 pm

Ahhh, OK. I thought you were reading her a bedtime story.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
August 1, 2021 4:42 am

i was bringing up discussions like this with my father from an early age quite some decades ago. at first he was a solid believer in technological progress and the sort of unquestioned sci-fi future his generation had been sold on. but he’s a very smart man and i remember with great relish even now the moment i saw him turn the corner and understand that the techno-fantasy was impossible, but even worse a mirage to lead men on to their separation from god, their enslavement, and their ultimate destruction.
he remains decades later more hopeful than i about some kind of redemption, whereas i became a firm believer that only a thorough collapse will purify us of the cult of death – the cult of machines – and allow us to get back on track with developing our spiritual potential.
i do owe it to him that i started out more skeptical and analytical from the very start, to arrive at the matter early on.
events of recent years thus have on the one hand been an almost neverending ‘i told you so’ to a whole lot of people ive tried to preach to about this stuff over several decades.
on the other hand they present a clusterfuck which, even forewarned, i found myself still unprepared for, having tried preparing and fucking that up choosing foolishly about some things like location and a bad marriage.

Guest
Guest
  credit
July 31, 2021 11:07 pm

Dang. Preppers have been doing this for years.

Voltara
Voltara
July 31, 2021 10:03 pm

Steiner’s talking about Flouride and calcification of the pineal gland. Most babies born in countries with fluoridated water have a calcified pineal by the time they can talk

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
July 31, 2021 10:34 pm

We are tripartite beings. Body, soul, spirit. The body is the part that goes to hell [ the grave ]. The spirit is the part that returns to its maker. The soul is the joining of a spirit and a body, evidenced by breathing.

We are saved [ justified ] in our spirit, and saved [ sanctified ]in our soul, and saved [ glorified ] with a new body according to God’s Will.

flash
flash
  messianicdruid
August 1, 2021 9:54 am

Bingo…we have a winner!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  messianicdruid
August 1, 2021 1:49 pm

That doesn’t sound very druidical to me

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 2:24 pm

dont get caught up in the labels.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 5:01 pm

dru = oak id = knowledge

Oak was the most important, useful tree. Therefore dru-id is the pursuit of useful, important knowledge. That’s it. Unaffiliated in my case.

psbindy
psbindy
  Anonymous
August 1, 2021 10:03 pm

LOL! Literally.

BL
BL
July 31, 2021 11:48 pm

I learned most of what I know from the Vedas about the soul. The soul enters the fetus at birth, it leaves the person at death. There are forces hell bent on ruining God’s creation as Satan and his minions have never been able to replicate “the soul”. If you volunteer to lose your soul it is your choice, this may well be the endgame of the jabs.

Do we really want to live in a world of soulless automatons? Is it the mark of the beast to surrender your soul? You have to volunteer or offer yourself up to the dark side, they will put increasing pressure on you to do just that.

I choose to keep mine, if they kill the holdouts, we leave here with our souls as God intended.

Muscledawg (not to be known as Delusionaldawg)😉
Muscledawg (not to be known as Delusionaldawg)😉
August 1, 2021 7:20 am

No where in the Bible ( at least in my reading) does God refer to us having a soul. He does reference us as being a soul. He also refers to animals as a soul. We are spiritual beings living as a physical being, or soul. If we have a “soul” then animals must have “souls” also.

flash
flash

Soul/Spirit, call it what you will, but it is what it is. Quibbling sir, is not a productive pastime.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Verse Concepts
then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it

Mark 8:36
Verse Concepts
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/The-Soul

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
August 1, 2021 12:13 pm

Spirit = Soul

There aren’t three things, there’re two. Body, and Soul/Spirit.

Ginger
Ginger

Jesus speaking:
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Matthew 10:28

Ghost
Ghost
August 1, 2021 8:21 am

It is the only way… find a pond and study it.

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P.S. Don’t kill the frogs with posion.

Ghost
Ghost
  Ghost
August 1, 2021 10:06 am

Or poison either.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Ghost
August 1, 2021 2:42 pm

Did I tell you I was re-reading Walden with my son? Not exactly a book club, but it’s great to bounce ideas off of someone else who is hitting the same book at the same time. Very different this time around. He hates farmers, I missed that the first time I read it and he seems to be the kind of person who should live alone because he doesn’t think much of any other group of people, but he can turn a phrase or capture some profoundly complex ideas and coalesce them into a single sentence about as well as any American writer this side of Twain.

Ghost
Ghost
  hardscrabble farmer
August 1, 2021 3:06 pm

I didn’t know he disliked farmers. However, if he foresaw the way they would exploit the land and the animals for profit, then I think I dislike them too.]

I wonder how this guy in Oklahoma is doing… he inspired me to give it a go and get the hell out of Oklahoma!

http://blog.chickenwaterer.com/2014/01/a-very-small-farm.html

flash
flash
August 1, 2021 8:31 am

“Our highest endeavor must be to develop free human beings who are able of themselves to impart purpose and direction to their lives. The need for imagination, a sense of truth, and a feeling of responsibility—these three forces are the very nerve of education.”
― Rudolf Steiner

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  flash
August 1, 2021 8:37 am

A love of learning that lasts a lifetime.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
August 1, 2021 1:06 pm

Check out today’s service at Brave Church in Englewood, Colorado. It will be uploaded to their app under the Alpha/Omega series probably by Tuesday. Put it on your calendar and TO DO list. Seriously, I wouldn’t steer you wrong. It’s on FIRE!!!

I’m back to work tomorrow after a long break. My time will be limited here. Wish y’all all the best. Keep resisting…

BL
BL
  Abigail Adams
August 1, 2021 6:45 pm

Bye Abigail, you come back now ya hear?

psbindy
psbindy
  Abigail Adams
August 1, 2021 10:09 pm

Is that Bob Enyart’s church?