Do We Need The State?

by Doug Casey

Rousseau was perhaps the first to popularize the fiction now taught in civics classes about how government was created. It holds that men sat down together and rationally thought out the concept of government as a solution to problems that confronted them. The government of the United States was, however, the first to be formed in any way remotely like Rousseau’s ideal. Even then, it had far from universal support from the three million colonials whom it claimed to represent. The U.S. government, after all, grew out of an illegal conspiracy to overthrow and replace the existing government.

There’s no question that the result was, by an order of magnitude, the best blueprint for a government that had yet been conceived. Most of America’s Founding Fathers believed the main purpose of government was to protect its subjects from the initiation of violence from any source; government itself prominently included. That made the U.S. government almost unique in history. And it was that concept – not natural resources, the ethnic composition of American immigrants, or luck – that turned America into the paragon it became.

The origin of government itself, however, was nothing like Rousseau’s fable or the origin of the United States Constitution. The most realistic scenario for the origin of government is a roving group of bandits deciding that life would be easier if they settled down in a particular locale, and simply taxing the residents for a fixed percentage (rather like “protection money”) instead of periodically sweeping through and carrying off all they could get away with. It’s no accident that the ruling classes everywhere have martial backgrounds. Royalty are really nothing more than successful marauders who have buried the origins of their wealth in romance.

Romanticizing government, making it seem like Camelot, populated by brave knights and benevolent kings, painting it as noble and ennobling, helps people to accept its jurisdiction. But, like most things, government is shaped by its origins. Author Rick Maybury may have said it best in Whatever Happened to Justice?,

“A castle was not so much a plush palace as the headquarters for a concentration camp. These camps, called feudal kingdoms, were established by conquering barbarians who’d enslaved the local people. When you see one, ask to see not just the stately halls and bedrooms, but the dungeons and torture chambers.

“A castle was a hangout for silk-clad gangsters who were stealing from helpless workers. The king was the ‘lord’ who had control of the blackjack; he claimed a special ‘divine right’ to use force on the innocent.

“Fantasies about handsome princes and beautiful princesses are dangerous; they whitewash the truth. They give children the impression political power is wonderful stuff.”

Is The State Necessary?

The violent and corrupt nature of government is widely acknowledged by almost everyone. That’s been true since time immemorial, as have political satire and grousing about politicians. Yet almost everyone turns a blind eye; most not only put up with it, but actively support the charade. That’s because, although many may believe government to be an evil, they believe it is a necessary evil (the larger question of whether anything that is evil is necessary, or whether anything that is necessary can be evil, is worth discussing, but this isn’t the forum).

What (arguably) makes government necessary is the need for protection from other, even more dangerous, governments. I believe a case can be made that modern technology obviates this function.

One of the most perversely misleading myths about government is that it promotes order within its own bailiwick, keeps groups from constantly warring with each other, and somehow creates togetherness and harmony. In fact, that’s the exact opposite of the truth. There’s no cosmic imperative for different people to rise up against one another…unless they’re organized into political groups. The Middle East, now the world’s most fertile breeding ground for hatred, provides an excellent example.

Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together peaceably in Palestine, Lebanon, and North Africa for centuries until the situation became politicized after World War I. Until then, an individual’s background and beliefs were just personal attributes, not a casus belli. Government was at its most benign, an ineffectual nuisance that concerned itself mostly with extorting taxes. People were busy with that most harmless of activities: making money.

But politics do not deal with people as individuals. It scoops them up into parties and nations. And some group inevitably winds up using the power of the state (however “innocently” or “justly” at first) to impose its values and wishes on others with predictably destructive results. What would otherwise be an interesting kaleidoscope of humanity then sorts itself out according to the lowest common denominator peculiar to the time and place.

Sometimes that means along religious lines, as with the Muslims and Hindus in India or the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland; or ethnic lines, like the Kurds and Iraqis in the Middle East or Tamils and Sinhalese in Sri Lanka; sometimes it’s mostly racial, as whites and East Indians found throughout Africa in the 1970s or Asians in California in the 1870s. Sometimes it’s purely a matter of politics, as Argentines, Guatemalans, Salvadorans, and other Latins discovered more recently. Sometimes it amounts to no more than personal beliefs, as the McCarthy era in the 1950s and the Salem trials in the 1690s proved.

Throughout history government has served as a vehicle for the organization of hatred and oppression, benefiting no one except those who are ambitious and ruthless enough to gain control of it. That’s not to say government hasn’t, then and now, performed useful functions. But the useful things it does could and would be done far better by the market.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
December 5, 2022 6:52 pm

No. The state needs subjects.

Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath
  Anonymous
December 5, 2022 10:02 pm

We have never needed the State…

But the State needs you, Goyim…

And will only set you free on the penalty of death….

Become the Gray Man and plan accordingly….

flash
flash
  Saxons Wrath
December 6, 2022 8:55 am

Because the alligator always eats the graytard hiding in his spider hole last?

i forget
i forget
  flash
December 6, 2022 7:34 pm

If you get eaten by a gator you’re already fishsticks … prolly set out by gator shoe-wearin wize gov guy types.

Per Lysander, fishsticks can be eaten with a spoon, no gator necessary, tartar suace optional.

Speaking of which, made southron-style spoonbread the other night. Not due tribal affiliation, but just cuz one cornbread before was just a little too dry. Not inedible tribal tinder-dry, just not preferably moist.

Jdog
Jdog
December 5, 2022 7:05 pm

We may “a” State, but we sure as hell do not need the one we have. We need to reduce it by about 90% and take 95% of its power away….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
December 5, 2022 8:22 pm

Then it’ll grow back like a partially-excised tumor.

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2095916-no-treason-the-constitution-of-no-authority

“A man’s natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime; whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, or by millions calling themselves a government.”
― Lysander Spooner

flash
flash
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 9:29 am

Lysander the closet statist fag hated the state except when it came to killing Southerners, this he was all in.

i forget
i forget
  flash
December 6, 2022 7:36 pm

The hated one preceded the loved one. Symptoms, & the machine allllll the symptoms serve to lube. Or maybe simpletons are the lube. You know perpetual motion in place has gotta be simple. Like a gerbil wheel.

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:35 pm

Aye, skip the prom pom-pomeranian lapdogs. Go really big spoon Promethean: Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum Would that were simply a choice & not choice cut surrounded by gristle, bone, multiple stomachs, & offal-offal-offal.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
December 5, 2022 7:08 pm

Yes, we need government imo. A limited government and constrained government. We also need to eliminate corporations. All corporations.

James
James
  Glock-N-Load
December 5, 2022 7:12 pm

Damn Glock,have been in past a LLC and may be again,that said,seems you want to kill me business!

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flash
flash
  Glock-N-Load
December 6, 2022 7:59 am

Did you click you heels together 3 times when you typed that?

Tribe up or die is the only successful form of rule to ever exist. Immigration is war. Multiculturalism is death.

Freedom or Foreigners

gadsden flag
gadsden flag
December 5, 2022 7:19 pm

To paraphrase, Rousseau premised the man of the “jungle law” exchanged the “law of the jungle” for the safety and beneficence of the “law of the society”.

All good until Satan wannabes subvert the civil rule of law.

The rule of law is dead, welcome to the jungle.

The karmic law of the jungle puts things in place.

flash
flash
  gadsden flag
December 6, 2022 8:03 am

Three words loony lolbertz can never seem to understand are Might Makes Right. Always has. Always will.

“Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.” Aristotle

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i forget
i forget
  flash
December 6, 2022 7:37 pm

Mites makes Blighters being one such audience. Nits & lice go together the same way.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
December 5, 2022 7:46 pm

NO.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
December 5, 2022 8:13 pm

“Now taught in Civics classes”….
What civics classes????

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 5, 2022 8:23 pm

Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together peaceably in Palestine, Lebanon, and North Africa for centuries until the situation became politicized after World War I.

Yeah, lived together under the Ottoman Empire. Until a different Sultan takes over who has a different agenda.

Ass acts like they were all just milling about with no government whatsoever.

VOWG
VOWG
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 6:15 am

Over 1400 years of islamic violence.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  VOWG
December 6, 2022 7:22 am

And 10,000 years of state violence – and counting.

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:38 pm

Go big or join the Flash tribe or die.

After Hunter Thompson’s big, singular, tribeless, life died, pal Johnny Depp lit the cannon that flashed his ashes into the Colorado rocky mountain high sky. Pretty weird.

Not as weird as adapted to maladaption tribes, tho.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 5, 2022 8:24 pm

How is the lack of a government going to prevent this:

The most realistic scenario for the origin of government is a roving group of bandits deciding that life would be easier if they settled down in a particular locale, and simply taxing the residents for a fixed percentage (rather like “protection money”) instead of periodically sweeping through and carrying off all they could get away with. …. Royalty are really nothing more than successful marauders who have buried the origins of their wealth in romance.

from happening all over again????

goat
goat
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 2:33 am

Yeah, they have never been able to explain that one. Except that you will pay some security company to protect you (yeah, we see how well that works), you will protect yourself (pretty iffy) , or you will band together to fight the marauders (better or best). However, all 3 are still government. You can’t do away with government by merely changing the name or ignoring that even one man in the wilderness is not only the purest form of anarchy but also the most legitimate form of government (sovereignty, monarchy, self rule), and the more people you add to the equation, the less chance the purity of anarchy and legitimacy of the government. – Goat maxim on government and anarchy.
In other words, you can’t do away with government, because “every man IS his own government, and lives most his live in a state of anarchy. Only when you come into contact with an aggressive force (an illegitimate government, IF you are not acting as an aggressor first), and you comply do you lose your state of anarchy, and then unless you are subdued and made a slave, does anarchy not return afterwards.” – Goat maxim number 2
As such, “the only way to do away with government, is to kill off all humans,” which is exactly what the ptb want to do it would seem. – Goat maxim 3
Either willingly with intent or having not thought through their own assertions well, it would seem the no politics, no government, anarchist folk are in league with the powers that be. And don’t get me wrong, I have a strong affinity for the veneer of all 3, and I suspect that is why most innocently internalize and regurgitate the talking points without much due diligence, some very articulately, because they want to believe. At that point in time it is nothing but a religion / fantasy as any other at best, and or a deadly mind virus designed to enslave and kill us off at worse. Black sorcery at its “best.”
Interestingly enough, when I first went looking for people of like mind back in the day I ran into a mentor of sorts who was jewish (Neil Sherman), that because he was jewish was invited to some of the founding discussions of the Libertarian party, and he confirmed that that was exactly their intent, to place themselves as the ruling elite by use of these sheeple doctrines.
Seems it has worked pretty well so far.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  goat
December 6, 2022 7:23 am

So, your solution is what? Keep the Massah who fucks you the gentlest?

flash
flash
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 8:14 am

Tribe up or die. Might makes right. That’s the solution, shithead.

“Sparta, as I have said, being governed by a king and a limited senate, could maintain itself also for a long time, because there were but few inhabitants, and strangers were not permitted to come in; besides, the laws of Lycurgus had obtained such influence that their observance prevented even the slightest pretext for trouble. It was also the easier for the citizens to live in union, as Lycurgus had established equality in fortunes and inequality in conditions; for an equal poverty prevailed there, and the people were the less ambitious, as the offices of the government were given but to a few citizens, the people being excluded from them; and the nobles in the exercise of their functions did not treat the people sufficiently ill to excite in them the desire of exercising them themselves. This last advantage was due to the kings of Sparta; for being placed in this government, as it were, between two orders, and living in the midst of the nobility, they had not better means of maintaining their authority than to protect the people against all injustice; when these neither feared nor desired authority, and consequently there was no motive for any difference between them and the noble, nor any cause for disturbances between them and the nobles, nor any cause for disturbances’ and this they could live for a long time united. Two principle causes, however, cemented this union: first, the inhabitants of Sparta, were few in number, and therefore could be governed by a few; and the other was, that, by not permitting strangers to establish themselves in the republic, they had neither opportunity of becoming corrupt, nor of increasing their population to such a degree that the burden of government became difficult to the few who were charged with it.”[ii]

https://younggospelminister.blogspot.com/2022/12/liberty-or-immigration.html

i forget
i forget
  flash
December 6, 2022 7:44 pm

You ever been to Sparta?

Didn’t some tribalist acquire the name, which was all that was left of that tribe anyway, & tweak it a tad artfulficially for to slap it on his genuine product Aspartame?

“Tame the spartans! – poisoning their beverages will help!”

T’s ain’t livin longer, or better. But it might seem like it. As in, “when is this shit gonna be over so I can move on up to Lower East Side deluxe apartment Heaven?

Gonna die anyway. “Setting that to metric” is just another gold stars & participation trophies for everyone. Nothing there but counterproductivity.

How you lived before that is all that varies, all that can vary, all that doesn’t vary very much. Since even the heaven-bound, in all those millions, are wrapped up in death-fear paper, presents for the wolves to open.

Went to the butcher to get some bones for the dog. she ain’t afraid of nuthin. Including wrapping paper.

goat
goat
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 8:27 am

That is the eternal question it seems isn’t it? A better question is how do you prevent it? The best answer as I said is to try to become unfuckable, but one thing I can guarantee, it is not believing in fairy tales. Historically, the best we have ever come may be now.

flash
flash
  goat
December 6, 2022 9:08 am

I’ve read that the pinnacle of Western civilization was 1914, when muh democracy killed Christian civilized society and gave rise to global collectivism gloriously wrapped up in the false dichotomy of communism vs capitalism which still lives today as iron clad ideology in the minds of the ignorant and indoctrinated.

The World Must Be Made Safe for Democracy – President Woodrow Wilson

“I do not believe that this primal difference between gentile and Jew is reconcilable. There will be irritation between us as long as we are in intimate contact. For nature and constitution and vision divide us from all of you forever . . . I have no doubt that when Germany and England and America will long have lost their present identity or name or purpose, we shall still be strong in ours . . . We have joined your capitalistic world in deliberate emulation and rivalry: yet Jewish socialism and Jewish socialists are the banner bearers of the world’s “armies of liberation.” . . . But you feel our disruptive difference most keenly, most resentfully, in our deliberate efforts to change your social system. Seen in the dazzling lights of your desires and needs our ideal is repellently morose . . . Because your chief institution is the social structure itself, it is in this that we are most manifestly destroyers. We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands.”

You Gentiles
By Samuel, Maurice, 1895-1972
https://archive.org/details/YouGentiles

“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. … Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
~ Larry P. McDonald
U.S. Congressman, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
in “Introduction” to The Rockefeller File, by Gary Allen (1975)
https://archive.org/details/TheRockefellerFile

Evil is always ultimately self-destructive, suggesting the latter, when found in a system, likely indicates the former. In other words, if a system (ideology, structure, philosophy, individual, or thought) contains within it the seeds of contradiction, be it internal or external, or systemic collapse, it’s a good bet it is against God and therefore evil. This is just as true for individuals with unresolved or incorrectly resolved cognitive dissonance, for example.

This is because God is both real and Creator of reality, and all that is in conflict with reality is necessarily in conflict with Him, too. – Author Unknown

“You are living in a post-ideological age. Understand this. Accept this. It is time to stop thinking in terms of Left and Right, of Liberal and Conservative, of Democrat and Republican, and think in terms of identity instead…. Ideology politics are dead. Idea wars are reserved for homogeneous societies, not multiracial, multiethnic, multireligious, war zones. The culture wars are intrinsically interidentity, and anyone who is still babbling about Left and Right, or Liberal and Conservative, is simply demonstrating the extent to which they fail to understand their own reality. Social Justice is Satan’s Justice. “
Vox Day

flash
flash
  goat
December 6, 2022 8:12 am

LoLbertz is just a diversion to keep White men occupied with fantastical nonsense that has never worked anywhere, evah , whilst Deep Shekels mass murders our race via immigration, multiculturalism, gender confusion , toxic food, poison meds and perpetual war…but muh stateless society…reeee… I can’t believe I ever wasted any time on this childish bullshit…smh

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:42 pm

It wouldn’t.

But that doesn’t make states the lesser & “therefore” axiomatic best evil choice.

Well, at least not among them that ain’t into axiomatic murdering.

Lizzie Borden took an automatic axe, gave her tribe 40,000 whacks, when she saw what she had done, some “other” tribe doled her 41k ….

Boogie
Boogie
December 5, 2022 8:52 pm

I think like Thomas Jefferson said… “The Tree Of Liberty Must Be Refreshed From Time To Time With The Blood Of Patriots And Tyrants” Government brings order. However, when the Government fears the people you have liberty. When the people fear the Government you have tyranny.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Boogie
December 6, 2022 7:24 am

He also said that government is best which governs least.

The one which governs least is the one that doesn’t exist.

Ken31
Ken31
December 5, 2022 9:14 pm

His conclusions are not surprising considering he takes for granted civnattery/multiculti.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
December 5, 2022 11:41 pm

What we need are a bunch more citizens with guns.
That keeps the necessary state fearful of the citizenry, as they should be.

Just arrived home with a bunch more wild protein.
I do miss Friday Fail whilst hunting.
Ammo up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Colorado Artist
December 6, 2022 7:25 am

Touché.

Boogie
Boogie
  Colorado Artist
December 6, 2022 7:54 am

What did you bag this time out. White Tale between Dec 1 -15 is open in Colorado, right? I used to live in Laramie. I miss it. Go Cowboys!

flash
flash
  Colorado Artist
December 6, 2022 8:17 am

….rolls eyes….

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Captain Quaalude
Captain Quaalude
December 6, 2022 1:09 am

# NO. ” Anything you give the State the power to do for you, you give them the power to do to you.” Albert J Nock

Machinist
Machinist
December 6, 2022 1:55 am

Thomas Hobbes:
‘… and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short’
(Leviathan, i. xiii. 9)

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Machinist
December 6, 2022 6:31 am

If the U.S. were Balkanized, I’d be content to see a chunk of territory carved out wherein the anarchist could have a go at the constant battle of “each against all”.
But I have no urge to participate in that trial.

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:46 pm

You’re already there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Machinist
December 6, 2022 7:26 am

And government is maintaining and expanding, not preventing, that lamentable state of affairs.

i forget
i forget
  Machinist
December 6, 2022 7:45 pm

There’s honest pitchers rare, like silver bullet-shot Roy The Natural, & there’s dishonest pitchers legion, like Thomas the projectiling vomitus apologist for them that bring the violent death like no others ever did or could – & still do.

I’d take my much minimized chances with the crazy silver-shooters & take the other chances off the table if it were an option.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 6, 2022 6:26 am

State or no state, people that lust for power and wealth will repress and enslave those that don’t. It is an unwinnable battle.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:26 am

No. Those who seek dominance are few. An armed and educated populace cannot be ruled.

flash
flash
  Anonymous
December 6, 2022 7:46 am

Yet , they are…how do you explain this lolbertz tard?

Machinist
Machinist
  flash
December 6, 2022 10:58 am

I’d give you a cigar, but, Monica gave it to me.

i forget
i forget
  flash
December 6, 2022 7:46 pm

Uneducable is disarmed. But “weaponized” too. Point Forest box o’ chocolates Gump in a direction & say “go” & he does.

anon a moos
anon a moos
December 6, 2022 10:12 am

A short story on government

In days past there was a land where the people farmed and provided the necessities’ for life, trading their abundances with others on what they lacked. The people flourished.

Then one day a bright enterprising fella realized that there was a need for someone to represent the people of the land. To settle matters of dispute, even the playing field for and to stand in as a representative should someone from outside the land visit.

The people thought a brief moment and agreed, the lazy enterprising fella was relieved he would no longer have to work hard at farming got straight to business. With no income to support him in his official representative business it was up to the people to provide him one. So it was required of the people to pay him his normal earnings plus a little extra for costs, borne by the people.

This was a lonely gig, as matters were never raised and visitors from other countries just weren’t in full swing. But the appeal was made for help because affairs were to much for a single person and someone had to help serve to representatives needs. So another person tired of working hard was removed from a productive life into the very important role of Representative Assistant.

This pattern was to be repeated every year, numerous times as, the assistant needed help and of course the newest department to oversee the newly created problems was to be staffed and supported as well. So the peoples representative agencies grew and grew while the number of real productive people shrank and shrank. So the move from productivity and flourishing lifestyles to a society that no longer was producing much and failing lifestyles, veneered over with shiny bits became the normal.

Today the representatives are kings in their own fiefdoms, lording over the people. Extorting the meager wealth from those that remained productive and attacking all who question their rule.

Moral of the story.

Anyone claiming it would be to your benefit to represent you is a lazy bastard that should be drummed out and gotten rid of. Keep the camels a stones throw away from your tent. Like a camel these evil vile scum will not only get in and take over your home , they will steal every last penny you have worked for and then demand you work more so they can steal that as well.

We need a Great Reset. Kick the fuckers back to the curb and NEVER FEED THEM AGAIN

m
m
December 6, 2022 1:32 pm

Pointless strawman discussion.

The correct question would be “Do we need a judicial system?”