9mm vs 40 vs 45: The Great Handgun Caliber Debate Solved

Deciding on the caliber of your self-defense or concealed carry handgun can be a challenging task if you haven’t done your research. Although there are many options on the market like 10mm Auto and 357 SIG, the three most popular pistol calibers are 9mm Luger, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.

It’s not an insignificant choice, as anyone purchasing a handgun wants the best caliber for personal defense since this is what most pistols and revolvers are used for.

Sadly, there is a lot of misinformation about the effectiveness of handgun ammo that might sway a new gun owner into a caliber that they end up hating. This is where we come in!

Let’s separate fact from fiction concerning stopping power for the Great Trifecta of self-defense handgun cartridges.

Spoiler Alert: The ideal caliber is the one you shoot best. Therefore, when you are ready to drop your Benjamins on a new EDC handgun, whether it be a Glock 17, Springfield XD, Sig Sauer P226, or Colt 1911, you’ll be confident that you have the best self-defense sidearm on your hip.

9mm vs 40 vs 45: A 3-Way Tug of War

When it comes to pistol calibers, the shooting community is extremely polarized when it comes to deciding which handgun cartridge is the best for personal defense.

Those entrenched in the 9mm Luger camp often beat the war drums and defend their 9mm pistols with chants of “Magazine Capacity! Less Recoil! Improved JHP 9mm loads! Better follow-up shots and shot placement!”

The 40 Smith & Wesson (S&W) crowd is cut from a different cloth as they enjoy compromise and finding a handgun caliber that’s “just right”. As the true Goldilocks of the shooting world, they enjoy their porridge in one hand and are busy cleaning their beloved polymer-framed semi-auto Glock 22 or Springfield XD in the other. They enjoy shooting a heavier bullet weight (but not too heavy), higher muzzle velocity (but not too much FPS), and stopping power that is “just right”.

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And finally, we have arrived at the 45 ACP crew. Before the introduction of the reliable semi-auto handgun and their coveted Colt 1911 or Glock 21, these shooters likely brought their 44 and 357 Magnum revolvers to a gunfight. They want to shoot the heaviest bullet weight possible, with punishing muzzle energy, and terminal ballistics that would make FBI handgun analysts cry tears of joy. Purveyors of the 45 ACP throw magazine capacity to the wind, because who needs to reload when you’ve got enough stopping power to put down a bad guy in one shot (or so they claim)?

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This is clearly an oversimplified (and hilarious) example of how many shooters view the debate between 9mm Luger, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. The truth is, it’s a give-and-take equation and each handgun cartridge has its unique advantages and disadvantages. It’s like a 3-way tug of war with the coveted title of “Top Self-Defense Round” at the center.

It can be confusing comparing multiple handgun calibers at the same time. Instead, let’s quickly look at each cartridge and how they compare in their respective pairs.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

40 vs 45

The comparison between 45 ACP and 40 S&W breaks down into three different criteria: recoil, muzzle velocity (fps), and to a lesser extent, magazine capacity. A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control.

On the other hand, the 45 ACP is a lower pressure round and shooters describe the recoil as a push and not a snap. The 45 fires heavier bullets at lower fps allowing for better control of the handgun and faster follow-up shots.

Magazine capacity for 45 ACP in a standard Glock 21 magazine is 13 rounds, while the Glock 22 magazine enjoys 15 rounds of 40 S&W. Two bullets are not a huge difference, but in a longer gunfight, it could make a difference.

To read our full review of 40 S&W vs 45 ACP CLICK HERE.

9mm vs 45

9mm Luger vs 45 ACP is perhaps the quintessential handgun caliber debate that has been raging since World War II. This debate has only been exacerbated when the U.S. Army turned in their 45 ACP rounds and Colt 1911 sidearms for the Beretta M9 and 9mm Luger in the 1980s. The key points of contention in the 9 vs 45 debate are bullet weight, recoil, stopping power, and magazine capacity.

The 9mm cartridge produces less recoil as it fires a lighter bullet than the 45. However, a 9mm bullet will have significantly higher fps than a 45 which can lead to over-penetration when using FMJ ammo (which is why you should always use JHP ammo for self-defense when utilizing 9mm handguns). Recoil is lighter for the 9mm, allowing for faster follow-up shots.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

However, the 45 ACP and its heavier bullet are long thought to have more stopping power as it creates a larger permanent wound channel. As the 9mm is smaller, it has a higher magazine capacity. A standard Glock 17 magazine can hold 17 rounds of 9mm ammunition while a Glock 21 magazine will only hold 13 rounds of 45.

To read our full review of 9mm Luger vs 45 ACP CLICK HERE.

9mm vs 40

The 9mm Luger vs 40 S&W debate has been raging since 1990 when the 40 first hit gun store shelves. The 40 S&W was produced by Smith & Wesson and Winchester as a direct result of the 1986 Miami Shootout. The 40 is a shorter, reduced power 10mm Auto that the FBI developed to replace their 9mm handguns and 38 Special revolvers due to inadequate stopping power of hollow-point ammo at that time. After adoption by the FBI, numerous police departments across the U.S. picked up the 40 as their duty ammo.

The main points of contention in the 9mm vs 40 debate are recoil and stopping power. The 9mm cartridge has about 25% less recoil than the 40 S&W, which allows for faster follow-up shots and better shot placement. The 40 S&W fires a larger bullet (124 gr vs 180 gr) that will theoretically create a larger permanent wound cavity and incapacitate a bad guy faster. However, hollow point technology has advanced since 1990 and JHP 9mm loads are considerably more effective, closing the gap between 9mm and 40 in terms of stopping power.

To read our full review of 9mm Luger vs 40 S&W CLICK HERE.

Stopping Power

Stopping power, or knockdown power, is one of those mystical terms that shooters like to throw around to justify their position on one caliber or another. This is one of the main talking points in the 9mm vs 40 vs 45 ACP debate, so we will spend some time discussing it here.

However, you’ll note that there is no column on the ballistics charts for stopping power, and in truth, it is a combination of several factors. Although stopping power cannot be quantified, the FBI has done their best to do it.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

In 1986, 8 FBI special agents were engaged in a prolonged gunfight with two bank robbers/murderers in Miami, Florida. During the conflict, two FBI agents lost their lives, and 5 others were injured. Referred to as the 1986 Miami Shootout, it is the most studied law enforcement engagement in US history.

It was determined that the FBI agents’ 9mm ammo was ineffective at quickly neutralizing the two criminals, as both endured multiple hits and kept fighting. This led to the FBI developing the 40 S&W as well as a scoring system for grading handgun ammo.

Known as the FBI Ammunition Testing Protocol, different bullets can be evaluated in ballistics gel to determine their real-world effectiveness inside the human body.

For this comparison, we will only discuss hollow point ammo as it is what you should be loading into all of your concealed carry handguns. Hollow point bullets will expand when they encounter soft tissue, decreasing the amount of penetration and increasing the amount of damage that the bullet will cause.

FMJ ammo should not be used in your EDC pistol as a full metal jacket will not expand and likely over-penetrate through the bad guy into an innocent bystander and/or through internal walls.

The FBI standard for personal defense ammo states that a hollow point bullet should penetrate 12-18” into ballistic gel to be considered effective. Anything below 12” will likely not penetrate deep enough to damage major organs and over 18” would be considered over penetration and pass through the bad guy.

With modern hollow point bullets, self-defense JHP ammo like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, and Winchester PDX1 all meet this standard regardless of caliber. So, if that is the case, what is the difference between the 9mm, 40, and 45?

9mm vs 40 vs 45

Many an internet tactical ninja will point to the differences in kinetic energy and bullet diameter between calibers and state that these make the difference. Sadly, for the armchair ballisticians, these differences are not grand enough to cause any significant terminal performance variations between 9, 40, and 45.

What then is the answer? What is the cause for some gunfights to end in one shot while others take multiple rounds? Shot placement.

The fastest and most effective way to end a gunfight is directly tied to a shooter’s ability to accurately put rounds on center mass or the fatal T. Think of it this way, is a shot to the heart any more or less lethal with a 9mm compared to a 45 ACP? Furthermore, would a 40 S&W to the hand be more or less lethal than a 9mm to the bridge of the nose?

Without question, shot placement is the key to increasing your odds of survival during any self-defense situation. Therefore, the handgun cartridge with the most stopping power is one that YOU can shoot most accurately and meets the FBI’s requirements for self-defense ammo.

For Home Defense

“When seconds count, law enforcement is only minutes away.”

The national law enforcement response time is around 8 minutes. A LOT of bad things can happen in those 8 minutes before a law enforcement officer (LEO) shows up at your door! As such, one of the top reasons that handguns are purchased is for home defense.

And when it comes to home defense, my choice is the 45 ACP because I want a heavier bullet that can more likely stop an attacker or would-be home invader faster, with as few shots as possible. The Winchester Ranger-T or Speer Gold Dot JHP would be my choice of ammo for this role.

Furthermore, the 45 ACP has slightly less propensity to over-penetrate, which is a major liability issue when you live in a populated area or are a stone’s throw away from your neighbors.

When it comes to home defense handgun selection, weight is less important and I would recommend a full-size semi-auto pistol as the added weight will reduce felt recoil. A Sig Sauer P220, Ruger SR1911, or Glock 21 would fill this role perfectly.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

For Concealed Carry

When selecting a caliber for concealed carry, recoil, pistol weight, and magazine capacity all play a critical role. And for this reason, the 9mm round is the best choice for your EDC.

Why you are carrying concealed, pistol weight is going to become something you will be acutely aware of in short order. Larger and heavier full-sized firearms are uncomfortable to carry and require concessions in your wardrobe and carry system. On the other hand, polymer-framed sub-compact pistols are much more comfortable to concealed carry every day with minimal effort or changes to your clothing options.

However, when you reduce your overall firearm weight, you increase the amount of felt recoil you experience. That 45 ACP that was so comfortable to shoot in a 5” Government 1911 becomes a lot more difficult to control in a Glock 36. And that 40 S&W that was only slightly offensive in a Glock 22 becomes downright painful to shoot in a Glock 27.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

As the 9mm round will have less recoil than 40 or 45, sub-compact 9mm handguns are:

  • Easier to shoot accurately
  • Allow for faster follow up shots
  • More comfortable to practice with

Lastly, as the 9mm bullet is smaller, it allows for more cartridges to fit into the magazine. This puts the 9mm as the better choice for concealed carry as you will have to fight less recoil and focus on the fundamentals of shooting, which in turn will allow for enhanced accuracy. As shot placement is the key to ending a gunfight, it makes sense that you select the cartridge that has the least amount of recoil and the 9mm round fits that role perfectly.

Ballistics

Our team here at Ammo.com has scoured multiple ammo manufacturers’ websites to bring you comprehensive ballistics tables to compare your favorite 45 ACP, 40 S&W, and 9mm loads. You can search for your favorite bullet weights and compare the muzzle velocity, muzzle energy, and trajectory of each.

40 Cal (S&W) Ballistics: Chart of Average 40 Cal (S&W) Ballistics

Note: This information comes from the manufacturer and is for informational purposes only. The actual ballistics obtained with your firearm can vary considerably from the advertised ballistics. Also, ballistics can vary from lot to lot with the same brand and type load.

40 Cal (S&W) Bullet WEIGHT Muzzle VELOCITY (fps) Muzzle ENERGY (ft. lbs.) Mid-Range TRAJECTORY (in.) Barrel Length (in.)
Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. 50 yds. 100 yds.
120 Grain 1150 n/a n/a 352 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
125 Grain 1265 1102 998 444 337 276 -3 n/a 4″
135 Grain 1140 1070 n/a 390 345 n/a 0.9 n/a 4″
135 Grain Guard Dog 1200 1040 940 430 325 265 n/a n/a 4″
155 Grain 1140 1026 958 447 362 309 0.9 4.1 4″
155 Grain JHP 1175 n/a n/a 475 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
165 Grain FMJ 1050 n/a n/a 404 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
165 Grain JHP 1100 n/a n/a 443 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
165 Grain 1150 n/a n/a 485 n/a n/a n/a n/a 4″
175 Grain 1010 948 899 396 350 314 n/a n/a 4″
180 Grain FMJ 985 936 893 388 350 319 1.4 5 4″
180 Grain 1000 943 896 400 355 321 4.52 n/a 4″
180 Grain 1015 960 914 412 368 334 1.3 4.5 4″
155 Grain +P 1300 n/a n/a 582 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
180 Grain +P 1100 n/a n/a 484 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a

45 ACP Ballistics

Note: This information comes from the manufacturer and is for informational purposes only. The actual ballistics obtained with your firearm can vary considerably from the advertised ballistics. Also, ballistics can vary from lot to lot with the same brand and type load.

45 Auto (ACP) Bullet WEIGHT Muzzle VELOCITY (fps) Muzzle ENERGY (ft. lbs.) Mid-Range TRAJECTORY (in.) Barrel Length (in.)
Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. 50 yds. 100 yds.
150 Grain 1050 n/a n/a 403 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
165 Grain 1030 930 n/a 385 315 n/a 1.2 n/a 5″
165 Grain Guard Dog 1140 1030 950 475 390 335 n/a n/a 5″
185 Grain 1000 940 890 410 360 325 1.1 4.9 5″
185 Grain Match 770 705 650 245 204 175 2 8.7 5″
200 Grain 940 890 840 392 352 312 2 8.6 5″
200 Grain 975 917 860 421 372 328 1.4 5 5″
230 Grain 830 800 675 355 325 300 1.6 6.8 5″
230 Grain 880 846 816 396 366 340 1.5 6.1 5″
165 Grain +P 1250 n/a n/a 573 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
185 Grain +P 1140 1040 970 535 445 385 0.9 4 5″
200 Grain +P 1055 982 925 494 428 380 n/a n/a 5″

9mm Ballistics

Note: This information comes from the manufacturer and is for informational purposes only. The actual ballistics obtained with your firearm can vary considerably from the advertised ballistics. Also, ballistics can vary from lot to lot with the same brand and type load.

9mm Bullet WEIGHT Muzzle VELOCITY (fps) Muzzle ENERGY (ft. lbs.) Mid-Range TRAJECTORY (in.) Barrel Length (in.)
Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. 50 yds. 100 yds.
80 Grain 1445 n/a n/a n/a 385 n/a n/a n/a n/a
88 Grain 1500 1190 1010 440 275 200 0.6 3.1 4″
90 Grain 1360 1112 978 370 247 191 n/a n/a 4″
92 Grain 1325 1117 991 359 255 201 -3.2 n/a 4″
95 Grain 1300 1140 1010 350 275 215 0.8 3.4 4″
100 Grain 1180 1080 n/a 305 255 n/a 0.9 n/a 4″
105 Grain “Guard Dog” 1230 1070 970 355 265 220 n/a n/a 4″
115 Grain 1155 1045 970 340 280 240 0.9 3.9 4″
123 Grain 1110 1030 970 340 290 260 1 4 4″
124 Grain 1150 1040 965 364 298 256 -4.5 n/a 4″
125 Grain 1110 1030 970 340 290 260 1 4 4″
135 Grain 1010 960 918 306 276 253 n/a n/a 4″
140 Grain 935 890 850 270 245 225 1.3 5.5 4″
147 Grain 990 940 900 320 290 265 1.1 4.9 4″
90 Grain +P 1475 n/a n/a 437 n/a n/a n/a n/a 4″
115 Grain +P 1250 1113 1019 399 316 265 0.8 3.5 4″
124 Grain +P 1180 1089 1021 384 327 287 0.8 3.8 4″

Final Shots: 9mm vs 40 vs 45

The 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP are all exceptional handgun calibers that will undoubtedly get the job done in any self-defense situation provided you do your part.

The 9mm Luger and its low recoil and high magazine capacity make it an ideal concealed carry option. Lightweight 9mm pistols like the Glock 26, Beretta Nano, and Ruger LCP9 are a breeze to carry and allow you to carry more ammo compared to 40 and 45 handguns of similar size.

9mm vs 40 vs 45

The 45 ACP is a hard-hitting pistol cartridge that was carried by the U.S. Army from WWI through Vietnam. It makes an excellent home defense choice as modern JHP 45 ammo is extremely effective at stopping any home invader without major issues of over-penetration.

And then there’s the 40 S&W, the compromise round with punishing recoil. As many law enforcement agencies and police departments are ditching the 40 and moving back to their 9mm ammunition, it brings into question what role the 40 plays in the future of shooting.

There’s no denying that the 40 was needed for a time and is an extremely effective handgun cartridge. But with advancements in hollow point technology and the addition of 115 and 124 grain 9mm +P ammo, the benefits that the 40 offered are considerably diminished.

When discussing the 40, I often refer to this quote:

“In a world of compromise, some shooters don’t!”

9mm vs 40 vs 45

The 40 S&W is a compromise that doesn’t need to be made anymore. If you want low recoil and magazine capacity, then go with a 9mm. And if you want raw power and larger bullets, then the 45 is ready to tackle any bad guy in its path.

The best handgun cartridge is the one you have the most accurate shot placement with. It doesn’t matter if that’s a 9mm, 40, or 45.

Therefore, you should seize any opportunity you can to get out to the range and run some FMJ ammo through your carry gun. That way you can rest assured that if the moment arises, you’ll be able to put your preferred JHP round right where it needs to go to defend your life.

Regardless of your choice, practicing your shot placement by putting in time at the range can be expensive (but a very worthwhile investment.) Buying in bulk is always smart, make sure to check out our 9mm ammo bulk, 45 acp bulk ammo, and bulk 40 S&W ammo options.

Keep practicing your shot placement and I’ll see you on the range with my Glock 17.

9mm vs 40 vs 45: The Great Handgun Caliber Debate Solved originally appeared in The Resistance Library at Ammo.com.

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Author: Sam Jacobs

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GNL
GNL
January 2, 2023 9:09 am

My main reasons for choosing 9mm were…
1. Best conceal carry imo
2. Lots of choices
3. Ammo will always be plentiful because many/most government organizations utilize 9mm
4. Shot placement is more important than caliber

anon a moos
anon a moos
  GNL
January 2, 2023 9:57 am

Nothing to disagree with there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
January 2, 2023 1:35 pm

#4 is key.

A .22 will kill if you hit the right area.

Tree Mike
Tree Mike
  GNL
January 3, 2023 2:55 pm

It’s not what you hit them with…It’s WHERE you hit them.

Walt
Walt
January 2, 2023 9:37 am

9mm Hydra-Shok for $1000, thanks Alex.

And while we’re on the subject of the .45ACP, if you fire unsighted with the sun behind you you can see it go downrange. You may even be able to discern the drop – subsonics really are that ‘slow’.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Walt
January 2, 2023 2:50 pm

I have seen .45 target loads hit indoors during matches. Certain times of the day we can see the flash of sunlight on .223’s as they pass a berm on the club 200 yard rifle range.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
January 2, 2023 10:06 am

Question – I though a shot gun was best for home defense (pellets), not a rifle or hand gun.

Tree Mike
Tree Mike
  Crawfisher
January 3, 2023 3:00 pm

Correct, nothing beats a 12 ga. They are problematic to conceal. They’re also VERY inconvenient to carry around. If you’re recoil sensitive, THAT’S an issue. Even at home, you should carry concealed.

anon a moos
anon a moos
January 2, 2023 10:11 am

Taught my kids to handle and shoot the guns at an early age. My 7yr old son was operating the 1911 quite well only because it doesn’t have the punch my 40s&w or the revolvers had. As much as I liked the 1911 it was the age of the gun and ammo prices that were determining factors in selling it off.

Today my shooting regimen has changed. Today range day generally means I do most of my shooting with a full sized 1911 in 22. It has the full size and weight of my old 1911 and I can shoot all day for a few bucks and not have to mortgage the house. I’ll take either my 40 or one of the 9mms to maintain shot placement and recoil management with the bigger chuckers.

I’ve had opportunity to rub shoulders with people that have been in gun fights and they pretty much say the same things. I don’t know if they are right but I take heed and practice some of their tips. Maybe others can add to them.

Shoot from concealment if possible, slow and on target is better than hail mary volleys and learn to move and shoot, and reloading are paramount. Like stated on Active Self Protection (ASP) often, first on target generally wins the day, its placement.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  anon a moos
January 2, 2023 2:54 pm

Like the title of Bill Jordan’s book said, “No Second Place Winner.” I believe Jordan preferred the .357 magnum S&W Model 19 and the .30-30 lever gun.

KJ
KJ
January 2, 2023 10:24 am

The answer for most people is 9mm. It’s the easiest with which to get shots on target. I’m not a small guy and I can’t even handle a .40 or .45 well enough to consistently shoot accurately and get shots on target. Yeah, the BOOM of .40 and .45 is louder, but the recoil is too much. And forget trying to shoot one-handed.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  KJ
January 2, 2023 10:33 am

Why would you shoot one handed??? Thats dumb with any caliber

n
n
  anon a moos
January 2, 2023 11:30 am

When on the two way range, sometimes you dont get to keep both hands in play.
Practice now for any eventuality.

KJ
KJ
  anon a moos
January 2, 2023 1:19 pm

Why would you shoot one handed??? Thats dumb with any caliber

Because you never know when you’re going to have to shoot one-handed, genius.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  KJ
January 2, 2023 3:04 pm

Bullseye matches or Camp Perry style are all one hand, originally with the .45. The ” Leg Match” is 90 rounds of .45 Ball, one handed. I can shoot steel plates all day with a .45 one handed. It depends on the pistol for me. I can shoot the S&W 25 revolver in .45 acp and the Ruger American semi auto without fatigue. The 1911’s and HK USP’s beat me up more than I enjoy.

KJ
KJ
  Harrington Richardson
January 2, 2023 4:01 pm

Well, good for you! I can’t accurately shoot a .45 one-handed, and I would bet a great majority of people can’t, either. And I suck with it two-handed, as well.

There’s a reason Mr. Luger (or whoever) invented 9mm…

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  KJ
January 2, 2023 7:39 pm

Mauser made .45 acp “Lugers” for the US pistol trials around 1910 I believe. One of the several surviving examples sold for $1 million at auction.

WTF
WTF
  KJ
January 3, 2023 5:46 pm

My favorite gun is an AR9 with a 7″ barrel and a can with a 33 rnd mag. Both eyes wide open looking through a Sig Saur Romeo 5 reddot. Makes even a crappy shooter like me look like an expert. My reloads are 152 gr .358 cast and resized to .354 with 2.8 gr. Win 231 @ 800 fps. Grandkids love it.

Undeniable
Undeniable
  KJ
January 2, 2023 11:07 am

Yep. For most people:

The maximum (hollow-point) impact…

= best shot placement & follow-up…

= less recoil.

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
January 2, 2023 10:55 am

I don’t think reading the whole article was necessary as at the top the author admitted that .357 Sig and 10mm were superior to the three common rounds. How many hand gun fights do you actually expect to survive that your main concern is scavenging compatible ammo from the corpses?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Mushroom Cloud
January 2, 2023 11:14 am

you actually expect to survive that your main concern is scavenging compatible ammo from the corpses?

Then the obvious choice would be the 9mm over any other caliber if this is your main concern. But if you are shooting off all your ammo and have to start scavenging, you’ve been there to long.

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
January 2, 2023 11:50 am

Rounds on hand in magazines that fit the gun on hand, #1
Sometimes a .357 or a .41 Rem mag wheel gun is just perfect.
Gimme a bunch of CCI .22 in mags until I can get to the SKS.

Lee Harvey Griswald
Lee Harvey Griswald
January 2, 2023 12:51 pm

Without subjecting myself to reading another “X vs. Y” article:

Not all that long ago hole size was pretty much the determining factor in cartridge effectiveness. Still is to a point, but smaller projectiles are now doing the work of larger ones. The larger ones are even better. The “caliber”, actually the cartridge, is only the delivery mechanism. There are some pretty nifty newer advances in bullet technology available nowadays.

Recoil is subjective, but my 9mm with 115s, is notably snappier & torquier than my 45 with 200s or 230s. I wouldn’t want to be hit by either of them.

Dont forget the newer 32s, 38s, 44s, & the 45 Colt either. A revolver’s 5 or 6 shots are better than none with easier operation for some folks.

These guys do some very interesting testing. Ballistic gel is not animal tissue, but is similar enough & compares apples to apples. Scroll to the top to start at the start.

Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition Ballistics Test

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
January 2, 2023 12:53 pm

The age old debate! Todays defensive ammo is superior to what used to be available so just make sure you hit what you aim at and it’ll all work out. Personally, I used to be a .45acp fan…now a 9mm rocking Underwood penetrators.

Tree Mike
Tree Mike
  WilliamtheResolute
January 3, 2023 3:07 pm

Ditto, except in my opinion almost any modern ammo will get the job done.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 2, 2023 2:30 pm

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WTF
WTF
  Anonymous
January 3, 2023 5:49 pm

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