Where Not to Be in a Crisis

By Jeff Thomas

Where to go in a crisis

For many years, there have been those who have been prognosticating an economic crisis – not just a recession lasting a year or two, but a full-blown Greater Depression that would eclipse any major event we’ve seen in our lifetimes.

That may appear to be an overstatement, but historically, it’s the norm for a time of major upheaval to occur every eighty years or so. And although some of us began analysing and commenting on the Greater Depression many years ago, it’s clear to all of us that we’ve now entered the leading edge of the crisis.

All of the traditional warning signs are present, and although technology has changed considerably over the millennia, human behaviour has not. We are witnessing the same symptoms that were present in major collapses of the past, going back at least as far as the Roman Empire.

We are therefore seeing not only the initial stages of an economic collapse but the concurrent events, such as an almost total corruption of the political structure, a move toward totalitarian rule, the destruction of currencies, and a loss of faith in leadership across the board. Along the way, we’re also experiencing a decline in logic and morality and an eroding sense of humanity.

That’s quite a lot to take in, yet, sorry to say; we’re only in the first stages of collapse. It will get quite a bit worse before it gets better.

As the economy begins its collapse in earnest, what we shall witness will be a population that will be unable to adapt quickly to the symptoms of the crisis as they increase in frequency and magnitude. The reaction to each will be, first, shock (an inability to comprehend that the impossible has occurred), then fear (a state of confusion and inability to adjust to rapidly-changing conditions), and finally, anger.

This last development should give pause to us all, as it’s the stage when those who have been most strongly impacted realise that there’s precious little that they can do to regain normalcy. When they find that they can’t get their hands around the necks of those who actually are to blame, they’ll take out their anger on whomever is in their proximity – each other.

So, the questions arise: Where will these problems be most prevalent? Where will the situations exist that should be avoided as much as possible, in order to minimize the likelihood that we’ll become collateral damage of the crisis?

Having studied previous similar historical periods, I can attest that this is a question that, unfortunately, requires an extensive and complex answer. However, as a rough guide, there are three considerations that will be overarching.

Regardless of any other concerns that may affect the reader individually, all persons would do well to stay clear (as much as possible) from the following:

First World Countries

Since 1945, the First World countries (the US, UK, EU, Japan, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) have led the world in both prosperity and power. Under the driving force of the US, they’ve created not only the advances of the last eighty years but also the rot that has led to the current crisis. As such, these countries are not only the countries where we’re seeing the most dramatic oppression of people; they will also experience the most precipitous fall economically, politically, and sociologically.

Although these countries have, until recently, seemed to be the most attractive locations in which to live, that condition has now begun a reversal, and in the coming years, they’ll represent the very nexus of decline. As such, they’ll become the most unpredictable and even the most dangerous places to be.

Conversely, the choicest countries in which to live will be those countries where change will be minimal. Those countries where the populations and governments have been relatively unambitious over the last half century or more, will be the locations that are the least likely to change dramatically during the crisis. That one fact speaks loudly to the reader’s economic, political, and social well-being in this period.

Cold Climates

The colder a location is, the less hospitable it will be in a crisis. When governments collapse economically and seemingly basic amenities can no longer be paid for, politicians will look after their own needs before those of the people they are meant to represent. Simple services such as snow ploughing may be dropped from city budgets that must experience cutbacks. More importantly, during an energy crunch, you’re likely to experience periods in which heat cannot be attained. This doesn’t mean that you will necessarily freeze to death, but it does mean that life will be much harder. In addition, produce cannot be grown in colder climates, which eliminates even the possibility of a kitchen garden in colder months.

Cities

By far, this is the riskiest of the three concerns. The more concentrated the population is the greater the risk. The larger your building, the less control you have over utilities. If the water, electricity, or heat is shut off due to energy shortages, you will have little or no recourse.

But, by far, the greatest risk in a city will be the inherent depersonalisation that exists even in the best of times. Even if you live in a very nice apartment building in a nice neighbourhood, you’re likely to be socially isolated from others. (You may not even know the people in the apartment across the hall.) People in cities tend not to help each other much at the best of times, but in a crisis, those around you can become a threat to your very existence.

Most importantly, food supplies are likely to be interrupted for indeterminate periods and, as Isaac Azimov stated, “After nine missed meals, a man will kill for food.” Even if you’re able to obtain a loaf of bread at a neighbourhood store, you may not be able to walk home with it without being waylaid. Even brief periods of interruption of food delivery to a population centre may result in a simple loaf of bread being worth killing for.

And even for those who live in prosperous neighbourhoods where the neighbours tend to be civil, poorer neighbourhoods are not so far away that their residents, if desperate, will not make the short trip to where they think others have the essentials.

Such breakdowns, as described above, tend to occur slowly, then suddenly. Those of us who have lived through city riots understand that tension builds as people attempt to maintain normal decorum, then some small event sparks off rioting. A citywide riot can go off like popcorn spontaneously. In good times, police can quell a riot in a few days or weeks, but when rioting is citywide, and the cause cannot be quickly remedied, riots can last for extended periods, potentially turning formerly-safe city streets into the equivalent of a war zone.

Of course, there’s the tendency to say, “Don’t be ridiculous – it can’t get that bad.” However, history tells us that whenever a major crisis period occurs, the above conditions almost always occur.

The reader may wish to assess his exposure to the three conditions above. Ideally, he’ll find a location to sit out the crisis – a country that’s likely to be less affected by the events that are now unfolding. He may choose a location that’s warm year-round, where food is plentiful even in harder times. And he may try to locate himself in a community of lower population density, where neighbours habitually help each other.

But regardless of what the reader chooses to do, he should be aware that the future of his well-being and that of his family may hinge on the choices he makes in the very near future.

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52 Comments
herc
herc
May 8, 2023 4:52 pm

I don’t necessarily agree with the cold climate….i think you don’t want to be in cold climate if you aren’t prepared or know how to survive in it.. if you are prepared, its not a bad place to shelter down…the majority of city folks and typical trouble makers will probably head to the nice weather and if not less likely to last out in the cold if they need to go out scavenging.

falconflight
falconflight
  herc
May 8, 2023 5:00 pm

Living in a cold climate is subsistence living in a SHTF scenario for all but the most prepared which took mucho money to create that ‘moat.’ HSF not withstanding.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  herc
May 8, 2023 5:41 pm

Yep, preparedness in-depth. When the Long Emergency begins in earnest, wood stove smoke will attract home invaders. Be committed to 24/7 watch schedule or propane for daytime and full moon ops. Because roads will be dangerous for all, your wide perimeter will be infiltrated unless impassible. As the seasons grind on, the skill and determination of your opponent will probably increase due to survivorship bias.

Flip-side, warm climes won’t have snow melt water for their Zergling hordes, which means every occupied hovel is a target for that logistical concern.

Note: The best answer to navigating ALL these life-threatening civil breakdown scenarios is requiring County/State/Provincial reforms back to rule-of-law…

goat
goat
  World War Zero
May 8, 2023 6:10 pm

I have an NG well. I’m not worried about wood smoke.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  goat
May 9, 2023 2:01 pm

Good on you! Not sure why you caught a DV, not mine.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  herc
May 8, 2023 6:14 pm

If you are born and raised in a cold climate (especially a rural area) it is not a problem. If you come from sub tropical or tropical regions you will struggle with the cold climate.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 6:50 pm

If the gas is off and the electricity is off and it’s -5F, I would need way more firewood than I have. That goes for 99% of the homes here in MN – even out in the country. A fireplace in the living room wouldn’t do shit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 7:13 pm

Sleeping bags exist for less than a $100 would that would be more than enough to deal with that.
You live in MN and don’t know that? Move to Florida before you die.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 7:35 pm

Good luck with that plan.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 7:40 pm

Florida? Nah…horrible climate w/o air conditioning, plus a very vibrant population. No thx.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 7:21 am

Are those sleeping bags waterproof? For when your pipes burst?
Do they come with magic heated shovels to dig through frozen ground for a hole to shit in?
Can they extract water from your well when the pipes are frozen and the power’s out?
Can you link to the Amazon page?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 7:35 pm

And you have to harvest it yourself. With an axe. No chainsaws. People will enjoy that I am sure.

Gryffy
Gryffy
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 8:48 pm

A bow saw and axe. A good saw is much easier on the bod and more efficient than swinging an axe. Swedish blades are the best.

Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 9:17 pm

I tell my wife all the time when we debate how hard life could be; we all got here somehow. Tough as hell ancestors got naked, made children, some of whom died, some didn’t. Those that didn’t, kept repeating the process, without electricity, without the niceties that we all take for granted. Not even a freakin’ Starbucks. Yet, here we are, talking about how tough it could be. We’re pussies.

falconflight
falconflight
  Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
May 8, 2023 11:03 pm

Most of us are certifiably old and that is the difference. The body no longer matches the will.

Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
  falconflight
May 9, 2023 7:27 am

I’m including myself in your statement. But we will have to summon the old ‘us’.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Caitlyn Jenner's testicles
May 9, 2023 7:28 am

Those tough as hell ancestors had communities, societies, working pre-existing economies, and governments that were all helping them to exist.
If all of those institutions had been aligned against them; they wouldn’t be your ancestors.
An obstinate inability to accurately assess circumstances is more dangerous than being a pussy.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 9:22 am

They won’t be institutions aligned against them. Those very institutions will all fail and will suffer infighting as well. Nobody is coming to save you and the only ones, in a SHTF scenario, will be mobs looking for resources.

As for ancestors having communities and government help to support them is entirely BS. My relatives farmed prairie lands, broke sod back in the early 1900’s and there were few communities and a lot of distance between them. The nearest neighbour was 4 miles away. Grain was hauled by horse drawn wagon, then steam tractors came along, then early trucks.

Everyone had root cellars and a years worth of canning put away. There was no running water it was a handpump in the house and the shitter was the outhouse. Yeah, life was tough but people don’t need govt to survive and neighbours are more than willing to come help in whatever way they can. Distant neighbours are always your best friends usually, at any latitude, They know the true value good neighbours are when isolated for the most part thru mutual aide.

Caitlin Jenner's testicles
Caitlin Jenner's testicles
  anon a moos
May 9, 2023 2:44 pm

Thank you, but even your assertion is more modern era than I’m talking about. I’m talking 1,000 years ago even.

goat
goat
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 12:31 pm

Not when they came to America (they had to build them from scratch). Truthfully I think you may have a pretty skewed view of history. People survived despite all those things being AGAINST them. Those things mostly benefitted the aristocracy.
Ask the Irish how that works, in the Americas or before they came. Not that the Irish were the only ones.
It is why we wanted a limited government in the usA because we already knew the liabilities of government help. But we are right back where we started with the few controlling and benefitting.

falconflight
falconflight
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 7:38 pm

Not a zero clearance contractor grade fireplace. But a specialized firebox like the one we purchased with the house is the ticket. Up to 72,000 BTU per hour.

44 Elite

Yeah you’d have to feed it. We burn about 2 cords a season as supplemental heat. We aren’t depending on it as maybe I wouldn’t be able to cut down and split all the wood needed at some point. We do have two backup propane wall heaters, but that too is dependent on supply availability.

We’ve purchased artic overalls and have artic sleeping bags, just in case. No we likely won’t freeze to death, but it isn’t a life style that I’m Jonesin.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 11:53 pm

BS. I live in N Idaho bordering Canada and MT. I only heat with wood. We re well prepared for months without electricity, and quite a few here are off grid too.

Rock Creeker
Rock Creeker
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 12:31 am

We did -40 this winter with wood only up here in WY at over 8000 ft. No biggie. Winter was always a time to rest and recoup the body.
I have enough gas and bar oil for many, many years. Be prepared.

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 8, 2023 6:04 pm

Coastal Southern Oregon. Chetco Effect weather patterns. I’m looking good… and if not… I don’t fucking care.
Beautiful sunsets almost every night (when it’s not raining in the winter), no drought conditions, conservative neighbors who care about each other, we all have guns, we can all grow food and weed if you want to and share it, good Salmon fishing at the river mouths and you might get a Halibut surf fishing. Portland is a million miles away, and any nuclear site/ military installations that the commies want to bomb are far away and the prevailing winds blow everything (forest fire smoke too) east anyway. Please do not move here.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 6:33 pm

Which county (Bend?) that all but bans fireplace use?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  falconflight
May 8, 2023 6:41 pm

Bend is in Deschutes County. Bend was nice years ago until it turned into Portland. Tattoos and top knots and face metal and hipster and crowded and expensive. I live in Brookings, used to live in Medford. There are unenforceable woodstove/fireplace burn laws when there are atmospheric inversion weather patterns going on and you can’t sell/buy a house that has a woodstove that is not EPA compliant now in the state of Oregon. You have to remove or replace it with a compliant unit which is a no brainer because the new ones are way more efficient. A chord of dry Madrone costs at least $400 now. The new woodstoves and pellet stoves now are awesome and put out a ton of heat for how much fuel you burn.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 7:38 pm

Pellet stoves are worthless when shtf. And no, no buying of wood, I would imagine. Cut it yourself, with an axe, needs to be the plan, as no gas. No oil. No purveyor of parts and chains.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 9:29 pm

I have propane tank heat and stove/oven. Don’t need air conditioning.
If you are happy where you live good for you. I will die here and be happy, it’s beautiful and I am grateful that I ended up here. We are all going to die. Will you die where you are happy? Or do you live where you can be a couch commando and right all the wrongs of the world with your Machismo? Never mind, I don’t give a shit. Have a nice day.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 10:01 pm

We have propane, but that is a logistics issue readily interruptible. You know that NY State has banned NG service on new construction (How long until it is denied to all) and gas stoves, and ICE vehicle sales. Ya gotta know what time it is.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  falconflight
May 8, 2023 10:06 pm

It’s time to die. The leading cause of death is life, enjoy while you can.
We all try to delay it as best we can.
Does any of this really matter in the end?
We can all argue ways to sustain our lives, as long as we can, in all different kinds of situations, but all we are really doing is amusing ourselves and trying to impress people we don’t know or give a fuck about. Seriously….why are we most of us here? For me it is amusement.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 11:00 pm

I’m not amused by life in these United States or the so-called free world. Funny, maybe pathetic, that my personal life is pretty uneventful and we’ve taken the road less traveled, but what riles me unceasingly is the utter dissolution of this civil society and a gov’t that deserves disembowelment.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 9:29 am

Seriously looked at buying property in Brookings. Been thru there a few times and love the place. The people were… ok. little to ‘progressive’ but outside of town probably more like us.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 9:58 pm

So where do you live that is safe from everything?
You are totally self sufficient for a year or two if TSHTF ?
Congratulations.

falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 7:42 pm

sounds like freedum…

n
n
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 8:14 pm

“The new woodstoves and pellet stoves now are awesome and put out a ton of heat for how much fuel you burn.”
But that electrical requirement though. No juice, no joy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  n
May 8, 2023 10:01 pm

Don’t need power for woodstoves city boy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 7:37 am

Does your wood stove require electric to run a fan?

n
n
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 12:23 pm

Shows what you know dipshit. Wood stoves are a primary form of heating around here.
Pellet stoves feed with an electric screw that turns at a slow rate dropping pellets into the firebox. Most new woodstoves of the “catalytic” nature require a fan to draw the wood gases down through the firebox to burn efficiently (or at all). Older non-catalytic stove do not require electricity to function but those aren’t the hyper efficient kind with high conversion factors. A simple old box stove, while better than a fireplace still has a loss though the chimney and through incomplete combustion. Low efficiency means more wood necessary, means more work. Without gas or diesel, a LOT more work.
You’re the kind of fuckstick that’s probably talking about cutting wood with an ax too. Better get a misery whip, and the crosscut kind, not the felling kind or learn the hard way.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 6:46 pm

Isaac Asimov is a fucking idiot. “Nine missed meals” my ass. After ONE missed meal, I will kill for food.

falconflight
falconflight
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 7:44 pm

Maybe for spaghetti and meatballs w/ a salad and garlic bread, otherwise I can hold out on murder for nine meals. ;0

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  falconflight
May 8, 2023 9:02 pm

Sounds good, Falc; just don’t forget a nice Chianti or other Sangiovese to go with all that tasty stuff.

falconflight
falconflight
  Aunt Acid
May 8, 2023 9:22 pm

Thank you for rounding out the dinner, and for dessert perhaps a cannoli. The one thing I really miss about living in the country, is the lack of Italian cusine of any quality ;( I wholly depend on my betroth for such fare and she of course gets tired of such after 37 years.

TCS
TCS
  falconflight
May 9, 2023 12:37 pm

“Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.”

classic.

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
  Iska Waran
May 8, 2023 10:51 pm

I have gone five days without food or water. The no food is not too bad, but days four and five without water are not fun.

(I was NOT doing hard work and sweating, or in a hot climate. Heavy sweating can get dangerous after days two or three.)

TCS
TCS
  Iska Waran
May 9, 2023 12:36 pm

Why don’t you just “kill food” and save all that moral ugliness?

Point out the obvious
Point out the obvious
May 8, 2023 7:32 pm

I mean, like, duh.

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 8, 2023 9:22 pm

Roving gangs change the dynamics.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 8, 2023 9:41 pm

Roving drug addled gangs will not roam in areas that are known to be well armed and occupied and booby trapped. And if they do…they will find out if it’s worth it or not.
If their numbers overwhelm these obstacles then we are all fucked anyway no matter what.
I hope it never gets to that point but if it does it was fun while it lasted, because at this point of my life I really don’t give a shit either way.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 7:40 am

How many times are you going to comment that you don’t give a shit?

Who are you trying to convince?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
May 9, 2023 9:34 am

Who are you trying to convince?

Me. Because now I don’t give a shit.

Visayas Outpost
Visayas Outpost
May 9, 2023 1:31 am

I totally agree with the author’s advice. When I sought greener pastures, my driving directive was “find the least government you can stand”. Obviously you don’t want a bottom rung location run by warlords (unless you become one). Gun rights are an obvious plus. Local affinity for English is nice.

No place is perfect, but there are a heck of a lot of other choices.

Jdog
Jdog
May 9, 2023 9:04 pm

The most important factor in choosing the place to make your stand is the morality of the people of that area. If you are in a place where people will risk their life and yours to get 30 ft. ahead on the freeway, imagine what they will do to get food or shelter.
When the SHTF, the only thing that will matter is the morality of your neighbors and their willingness to band together and cooperate to protect and provide for your local community…… In other words, you want to get as far away from liberals as possible…..