I, like many others, wondered why Obama would choose to champion the cause of Ukraine. His actions seemed to fly in the face of common sense.
|At one time Ukraine had a truly impressive number of nuclear warheads. I did a little research and found that 20 years ago Ukraine shipped all of its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for independence from them.
Russia, the U.S., the Europeans, and the Ukraine signed a treaty making Ukraine an independent country and prohibiting Russia from aggression against them. Remember, Russia agreed to this and signed it upon receipt of the deadly weapons.
If Russia then became aggressive the terms of the pact were that the U.S. and Europe were to come to the aid of Ukraine. I believe it was colossally stupid for the Ukraines to render themselves defenseless against a huge and predatory nation. Here’s why.
Russia took all their nuclear weapons and then went about occupying Ukraine by steadily increasing their military presence to the point where Ukrainians were able to clearly read the writing on the wall. Too bad Americans can’t read the writing on the wall.
Anyway – lets say the U.S. and Europe also break the same pact by failing to aid Ukraine. I thought to myself, if international treaties have no validity then how can countries maintain any kind of relationship with each other? Or do business? Or whatever? I understand the need to avoid world war 3. But what happens if all all of the other pacts, treaties, promises, etc., made between countries then become invalid pieces of paper as well? Could this not also provoke war on a grand scale?
Tim
April 25, 2014 9:12 am
How can these mother-fuckers look at themselves in the mirror? Or sleep at night? Fuck, I think I would hate myself if I was such a despicable, lying sack-of-shit.
Or, probably, I’d have already worked through years and years of mental gymnastics to believe the fucking nonsense I was spouting.
Stucky
April 25, 2014 9:44 am
“You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext.” ————- Kerry Ketchup Kockfup
Kerry, when he still had some semblance of humanity
Kerry morphed into a war-loving zombiefuk
Hypocritical fuckwad? Yes, case closed. (Except in Amerika, where failure, mediocrity, and an evil lust for power gets you elevated to the highest possible positions of power.)
Is Putin saying he is actually on a mission to save Ukraine? Maybe he means his supporters that live there. I don’t recall hearing anything about them needing rescue before he began occupying the country with military forces.
Stucky
April 25, 2014 10:21 am
John Kerry voted to bomb Iraq ….. because he said they were making …. DA BOMB!!
Well over one million Iraqis have dies either directly or indirectly.
Did you know that the Iraq government has been shelling (American munitions) Fallujah for the past month … with about 1,000 dead or injured so far? Of course not ….. the press whores are spending all day today calling Cliven Bundy a rayciss. Priorities, man! Hey, check out what John Kerry and ilk have done …. be forewarned, it’s some pretty bloody shit.
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There are times, such as this, when I simply LOVE (!!!) the Old Testament God;
‘Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them.’ ——- Deuteronomy 32:35
I want to see Kerry and ilk D.E.A.D. However, their Appointed Day of Reckoning isn’t up to me … yet, every day draws them closer to the end. If there is an after-life and if the word “justice” has any meaning in that place, then they will suffer greatly in agony for their sins. And I hope I have a fucking front row seat … close enough to piss on them!!!!!
Iska Waran
April 25, 2014 10:30 am
Winter, Do you have any reference for the vote in the senate ratifying this “treaty” where the US pledged to defend Ukraine? Please get back to us when you do.
Iska Waran
April 25, 2014 10:32 am
Kerry’s always been an idiot and a joke, but even more so now that he looks like post-op Mickey Rourke.
Stucky
April 25, 2014 10:34 am
I hope this MSM Press Whore video loads. It’s gotten 8 million hits …. and tons of ‘fuck Russia’ comments. It features an attractive young woman supposedly from the Ukraine explaining why they are protesting against the government. The video paints the current Ukrainian government as a barbaric dictatorial entity while simultaneously showing random clips of police beating people. She even claims that they might not have any phones or Internet if the status quo continues.
But wait ……..
The video has been sold as a grass roots level production when in reality IT WAS PRODUCED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TIES BACK TO THE SAME NGOS CAUSING ALL OF THIS TROUBLE
The video is hosted on a YouTube channel called A Whisper To Roar and it lists a man named Paul Diamond a man with deep ties to the National Endowment for Democracy as an inspiration for the videos they’ve put out.
According to Diamond’s bio page on the National Endowment for Democracy’s web site, Diamond has also been associated with USAID and he’s even advised and lectured at the State Department, the World Bank, the United Nations and other NGO groups.
In other words, a BULLSHIT video. Pretty much everything you hear these days are LIES. Remember that.
Stucky
April 25, 2014 10:35 am
What the goddamn fuck is it with WordPress??? Sometimes a video shows, other times not. Fuckin piece of shit.
B
April 25, 2014 10:42 am
RT Network is the best news network on cable. Despite the fact that it is left leaning, actual facts about an issue are more numerous than on the MSM. At least you can follow what is going on in Ukraine. DISH Network did not get rid of RT but ity took it off of the program guide so you either do not think it is a channel they carry or if you know that they carry it, you can not tell what is on at any time. Our tax dollars at work? We sure don’t want the natives to get any propaganda (that isn’t State suppported).
TJF
April 25, 2014 10:55 am
So, the bankers seem to want to separate Ukraine from any Russian control or influence. They want Ukraine to be part of the EU and/ or NATO so they can ‘save’ them with some giant loans. Thus enslaving the Ukrainians with debt. Lowering Russia’s credit rating is a neat trick, but shows their hand a bit too much. As time goez on, and maintaining the status quo becomes more and more fifficult, I expect we will start seeing even more desperate moves and politicians spouting ever more obvious lies.
winter
April 25, 2014 12:55 pm
Iska Waran –
You can get on google and use the keywords “U.S. treaty with Ukraine 1994. Theirs all kinds of articles about it.
I just want to say I am not a John Kerry supporter on the basis that politicians in general are full of crap.
Iska Waran
April 25, 2014 1:08 pm
Winter,
Article II, Section 2: “He (the president) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;”
The senate never ratified the Budapest Memorandum. It is not binding.
Note also, that the constitution specifies that the president is a “he”. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. Maybe I’m missing it, but I don’t see where we changed anything to allow a “she” president. Sorry, Hillary. 😉
Persnickety
April 25, 2014 1:44 pm
@Iska Waran: I think Hillary might still qualify.
AWD
April 25, 2014 2:16 pm
Ketchup Boy Kerry is a humiliating embarrassment to this country, almost as bad as Obama. Everyone is laughing at him, Obama, and Hillary. The great incompetent one (Obama) has put together a merry band of democrats that have no fucking idea what they are doing. Threats and more threats, poking the Russian Bear with a stick. They’re going to get their faces ripped off.
They are responsible. They put fascists like themselves into office in Ukraine. They send the director of the CIA to Ukraine, then the idiot vice president, each time violence erupts. Putin isn’t going to put up with much more of this shit, and we’re all going to pay the price. It’s beyond tragic and scary what these idiots from our socialist country are doing. And for what? We have no business being their, no dog in this fight, just hubris and take over the world shit, even though we’re a bankrupt welfare state. Kerry, Obama and Clinton’s folly will go down in history.
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NIck A
April 25, 2014 6:49 pm
Winter – where is your “evidence’ that the Russians are a force of occupation in what is historically entirely Russian territory (remember, the first Russian Capital was in the Ukraine, so Russia has a clear claim to territorial rights, no?).
As expected, the “real” reasons behind Western meddling (and meddling it is) are starting to leak out – seems the US Navy had quite big plans for Sevastopol – no mention nor consideration that such an action would be the very definition of “provocative” – just like the Pershing IIs in Turkey were “perfectly OK”, but SS18’s in Cuba were “an act of aggression”!
As to the hullabaloo on “Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian Border” – maybe (just maybe) Russia is feeling more than a little threatened by overt (and covert) Western actions, and after all Russia is perfectly entitled to move their troops wherever they like in Russia – it’s no-one else’s business, is it.
Pity the USA doesn’t show such restraints with its troops – but has no qualms about expecting (demanding) that other do.
winter
April 26, 2014 7:57 am
I have not heard about Sevatopol so I will check it out.
It seems free trade was the catalyst that started the whole problem. Europe was courting Ukraine president Yan in hopes of trading with them. There would be many advantages for Ukraine and Europe.
Putin did not want this to happen because it would lessen his control over Ukraine. He held a secret meeting with Yan and showered him with money on the condition that he not sign the agreement with Europe. He then did not sign it.
Ukrainians were outraged and impeached Yan. News articles of the time (4 years ago) said that Putin would seek to punish them for the unceremonious disposition of his greedy new friend. It was reported that Russia disabled all internet service in Ukraine. Then he began the military build up. Putin put considerable thought into how he would destroy the Ukrainians. He said that The Budapest treaty didn’t matter because his predecessor signed it.
The treaty requires Europe, the U.S., and Russia to respect Ukraine independence. Putin from the start did not honor the agreement.
The treaty does not require that the U.S. and Europe do battle with the Russians. Although American warships in their back yard are bound to make Putin think for the first time about possible consequences. The treaty allows the president to impose various sanctions. Putin appears amused and unconcerned. I imagine when he starts the war there will be new sanctions with teeth. He appears to be an overbearing, unreasonable, and devious individual ever hungry for more power. Thus, a sociopath.
Stucky
April 26, 2014 8:28 am
“The treaty requires Europe, the U.S., and Russia to respect Ukraine independence. Putin from the start did not honor the agreement.” ———– winter, whose brain has frozen over from lack of use
Awwww, you want to go the “they broke the treaty” route? Boo hoo! Those dirty Ruskies! Waaaa!!!!
Go USA … where promises are kept, rah rah sis boom bah!!
Listen up, dumbass.
In February, 1990, US Secretary of State James Baker traveled to Moscow to meet with Russian President Mikhail Gorbachev regarding the possible reunification of Germany and the removal of 300,000 Soviet troops. If Russia agreed to the troop removal Baker promised Gorbachev “THERE WOULD BE NO EXTENSION OF NATO’S JURISDICTION FOR FORCES OF NATO ONE INCH TO THE EAST.” Gorbachev took the US at its word.
How did that work out winter squash-brains? We surrounded Russia with alliances, troops, and weapons ….. right up to their doorstep.
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Go stick an Amurikan flag up your ass.
winter
April 26, 2014 8:37 am
Ok, so Sevastopol and other areas of Ukraine have benefited from charity from the U.S. navy, in the form of renovation of schools and hospitals. Obviously the U.S. hoped to forge bonds as a means to an end. It is not clear what that end was, other than to have plaques put up naming them as benefactors.
Many future renovations of poor areas were scheduled as well. Putin was enraged because he believed that the U.S. navy wanted to establish a military base in Sevastopol. I imagine he believed this because that’s how predators think. If the U.S. established a naval base it would be a little more perilous for him to continue attempting to manipulate and intimidate Ukraine.
2 days ago the U.S. abandoned the charity projects and cancelled upcoming work due to escalating tensions.
Frenchie
April 26, 2014 3:05 pm
winter: “There would be many advantages for Ukraine and Europe. ”
what are you saying, you fucking imbecile!
WHAT fucking advantages?
the advantage to have a new shihole in Europe more corrupt that whole Africa?
the advantage to be blackmailed over Tchernobil and dozens of plants ready to blow?
the advantage to eat radioactive vegetables once they are allowed to sell their shit?
the advantage to have a border with Russia?
the advantage to lose all the industry jobs that haven’t already moved to Poland, even the one that made benefits, thanks to slavery wages in yook-rain?
Ukraine is the same kind of advantage that Mexico is to the US.
you have proved you are a fucking moron. before thinking for us, take care of the war zones there is in every suburbs of the US shitties.
Zarathustra
April 26, 2014 3:50 pm
frenchie, you should post more often.
winter
April 27, 2014 7:59 am
You have a swollen head. It does not matter to us what Europe hoped to gain from the agreement. You are totally missing the point.
Let’s say that because in 1990 the U.S. broke a promise to Russia. Then in 2014 Russia breaks a treaty with 3 other countries. Country X observes that their are no consequences so they break their pact with Countries Y and Z. The treaties, pacts, promises, whatever the hell else they do, fall like dominoes.
How is the world going to look then? I would see the potential for some problems.
Frenchie
April 27, 2014 9:35 am
“It does not matter to us what Europe hoped to gain from the agreement”
yes, we know quite well.
US has settle the coup in cooperation with Poland and Israeli contractors.
Kerry don’t want an agreement. Ukrainian followed his orders and attacked civilians
there’s fracking gas to sell to Europe, and the only way to turn Russian gas contracts void is a conflict.
personaly, I hope NATO will take a beating and that US will keep in their borders dealing with their own problems. enough is enough
winter
April 27, 2014 9:45 pm
I totally agree that U.S. will now turn to solving their own problems.
I, like many others, wondered why Obama would choose to champion the cause of Ukraine. His actions seemed to fly in the face of common sense.
|At one time Ukraine had a truly impressive number of nuclear warheads. I did a little research and found that 20 years ago Ukraine shipped all of its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for independence from them.
Russia, the U.S., the Europeans, and the Ukraine signed a treaty making Ukraine an independent country and prohibiting Russia from aggression against them. Remember, Russia agreed to this and signed it upon receipt of the deadly weapons.
If Russia then became aggressive the terms of the pact were that the U.S. and Europe were to come to the aid of Ukraine. I believe it was colossally stupid for the Ukraines to render themselves defenseless against a huge and predatory nation. Here’s why.
Russia took all their nuclear weapons and then went about occupying Ukraine by steadily increasing their military presence to the point where Ukrainians were able to clearly read the writing on the wall. Too bad Americans can’t read the writing on the wall.
Anyway – lets say the U.S. and Europe also break the same pact by failing to aid Ukraine. I thought to myself, if international treaties have no validity then how can countries maintain any kind of relationship with each other? Or do business? Or whatever? I understand the need to avoid world war 3. But what happens if all all of the other pacts, treaties, promises, etc., made between countries then become invalid pieces of paper as well? Could this not also provoke war on a grand scale?
How can these mother-fuckers look at themselves in the mirror? Or sleep at night? Fuck, I think I would hate myself if I was such a despicable, lying sack-of-shit.
Or, probably, I’d have already worked through years and years of mental gymnastics to believe the fucking nonsense I was spouting.
“You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext.” ————- Kerry Ketchup Kockfup
Kerry, when he still had some semblance of humanity
Kerry morphed into a war-loving zombiefuk
Hypocritical fuckwad? Yes, case closed. (Except in Amerika, where failure, mediocrity, and an evil lust for power gets you elevated to the highest possible positions of power.)
Speaking Truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ssok-CBdgSM
Is Putin saying he is actually on a mission to save Ukraine? Maybe he means his supporters that live there. I don’t recall hearing anything about them needing rescue before he began occupying the country with military forces.
John Kerry voted to bomb Iraq ….. because he said they were making …. DA BOMB!!
Well over one million Iraqis have dies either directly or indirectly.
Did you know that the Iraq government has been shelling (American munitions) Fallujah for the past month … with about 1,000 dead or injured so far? Of course not ….. the press whores are spending all day today calling Cliven Bundy a rayciss. Priorities, man! Hey, check out what John Kerry and ilk have done …. be forewarned, it’s some pretty bloody shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtznCRPWOc&feature=player_detailpage
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There are times, such as this, when I simply LOVE (!!!) the Old Testament God;
‘Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them.’ ——- Deuteronomy 32:35
I want to see Kerry and ilk D.E.A.D. However, their Appointed Day of Reckoning isn’t up to me … yet, every day draws them closer to the end. If there is an after-life and if the word “justice” has any meaning in that place, then they will suffer greatly in agony for their sins. And I hope I have a fucking front row seat … close enough to piss on them!!!!!
Winter, Do you have any reference for the vote in the senate ratifying this “treaty” where the US pledged to defend Ukraine? Please get back to us when you do.
Kerry’s always been an idiot and a joke, but even more so now that he looks like post-op Mickey Rourke.
I hope this MSM Press Whore video loads. It’s gotten 8 million hits …. and tons of ‘fuck Russia’ comments. It features an attractive young woman supposedly from the Ukraine explaining why they are protesting against the government. The video paints the current Ukrainian government as a barbaric dictatorial entity while simultaneously showing random clips of police beating people. She even claims that they might not have any phones or Internet if the status quo continues.
But wait ……..
The video has been sold as a grass roots level production when in reality IT WAS PRODUCED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TIES BACK TO THE SAME NGOS CAUSING ALL OF THIS TROUBLE
The video is hosted on a YouTube channel called A Whisper To Roar and it lists a man named Paul Diamond a man with deep ties to the National Endowment for Democracy as an inspiration for the videos they’ve put out.
According to Diamond’s bio page on the National Endowment for Democracy’s web site, Diamond has also been associated with USAID and he’s even advised and lectured at the State Department, the World Bank, the United Nations and other NGO groups.
In other words, a BULLSHIT video. Pretty much everything you hear these days are LIES. Remember that.
What the goddamn fuck is it with WordPress??? Sometimes a video shows, other times not. Fuckin piece of shit.
RT Network is the best news network on cable. Despite the fact that it is left leaning, actual facts about an issue are more numerous than on the MSM. At least you can follow what is going on in Ukraine. DISH Network did not get rid of RT but ity took it off of the program guide so you either do not think it is a channel they carry or if you know that they carry it, you can not tell what is on at any time. Our tax dollars at work? We sure don’t want the natives to get any propaganda (that isn’t State suppported).
So, the bankers seem to want to separate Ukraine from any Russian control or influence. They want Ukraine to be part of the EU and/ or NATO so they can ‘save’ them with some giant loans. Thus enslaving the Ukrainians with debt. Lowering Russia’s credit rating is a neat trick, but shows their hand a bit too much. As time goez on, and maintaining the status quo becomes more and more fifficult, I expect we will start seeing even more desperate moves and politicians spouting ever more obvious lies.
Iska Waran –
You can get on google and use the keywords “U.S. treaty with Ukraine 1994. Theirs all kinds of articles about it.
I just want to say I am not a John Kerry supporter on the basis that politicians in general are full of crap.
Winter,
Article II, Section 2: “He (the president) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;”
The senate never ratified the Budapest Memorandum. It is not binding.
Note also, that the constitution specifies that the president is a “he”. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. Maybe I’m missing it, but I don’t see where we changed anything to allow a “she” president. Sorry, Hillary. 😉
@Iska Waran: I think Hillary might still qualify.
Ketchup Boy Kerry is a humiliating embarrassment to this country, almost as bad as Obama. Everyone is laughing at him, Obama, and Hillary. The great incompetent one (Obama) has put together a merry band of democrats that have no fucking idea what they are doing. Threats and more threats, poking the Russian Bear with a stick. They’re going to get their faces ripped off.
They are responsible. They put fascists like themselves into office in Ukraine. They send the director of the CIA to Ukraine, then the idiot vice president, each time violence erupts. Putin isn’t going to put up with much more of this shit, and we’re all going to pay the price. It’s beyond tragic and scary what these idiots from our socialist country are doing. And for what? We have no business being their, no dog in this fight, just hubris and take over the world shit, even though we’re a bankrupt welfare state. Kerry, Obama and Clinton’s folly will go down in history.
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Winter – where is your “evidence’ that the Russians are a force of occupation in what is historically entirely Russian territory (remember, the first Russian Capital was in the Ukraine, so Russia has a clear claim to territorial rights, no?).
As expected, the “real” reasons behind Western meddling (and meddling it is) are starting to leak out – seems the US Navy had quite big plans for Sevastopol – no mention nor consideration that such an action would be the very definition of “provocative” – just like the Pershing IIs in Turkey were “perfectly OK”, but SS18’s in Cuba were “an act of aggression”!
As to the hullabaloo on “Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian Border” – maybe (just maybe) Russia is feeling more than a little threatened by overt (and covert) Western actions, and after all Russia is perfectly entitled to move their troops wherever they like in Russia – it’s no-one else’s business, is it.
Pity the USA doesn’t show such restraints with its troops – but has no qualms about expecting (demanding) that other do.
I have not heard about Sevatopol so I will check it out.
It seems free trade was the catalyst that started the whole problem. Europe was courting Ukraine president Yan in hopes of trading with them. There would be many advantages for Ukraine and Europe.
Putin did not want this to happen because it would lessen his control over Ukraine. He held a secret meeting with Yan and showered him with money on the condition that he not sign the agreement with Europe. He then did not sign it.
Ukrainians were outraged and impeached Yan. News articles of the time (4 years ago) said that Putin would seek to punish them for the unceremonious disposition of his greedy new friend. It was reported that Russia disabled all internet service in Ukraine. Then he began the military build up. Putin put considerable thought into how he would destroy the Ukrainians. He said that The Budapest treaty didn’t matter because his predecessor signed it.
The treaty requires Europe, the U.S., and Russia to respect Ukraine independence. Putin from the start did not honor the agreement.
The treaty does not require that the U.S. and Europe do battle with the Russians. Although American warships in their back yard are bound to make Putin think for the first time about possible consequences. The treaty allows the president to impose various sanctions. Putin appears amused and unconcerned. I imagine when he starts the war there will be new sanctions with teeth. He appears to be an overbearing, unreasonable, and devious individual ever hungry for more power. Thus, a sociopath.
“The treaty requires Europe, the U.S., and Russia to respect Ukraine independence. Putin from the start did not honor the agreement.” ———– winter, whose brain has frozen over from lack of use
Awwww, you want to go the “they broke the treaty” route? Boo hoo! Those dirty Ruskies! Waaaa!!!!
Go USA … where promises are kept, rah rah sis boom bah!!
Listen up, dumbass.
In February, 1990, US Secretary of State James Baker traveled to Moscow to meet with Russian President Mikhail Gorbachev regarding the possible reunification of Germany and the removal of 300,000 Soviet troops. If Russia agreed to the troop removal Baker promised Gorbachev “THERE WOULD BE NO EXTENSION OF NATO’S JURISDICTION FOR FORCES OF NATO ONE INCH TO THE EAST.” Gorbachev took the US at its word.
How did that work out winter squash-brains? We surrounded Russia with alliances, troops, and weapons ….. right up to their doorstep.
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Go stick an Amurikan flag up your ass.
Ok, so Sevastopol and other areas of Ukraine have benefited from charity from the U.S. navy, in the form of renovation of schools and hospitals. Obviously the U.S. hoped to forge bonds as a means to an end. It is not clear what that end was, other than to have plaques put up naming them as benefactors.
Many future renovations of poor areas were scheduled as well. Putin was enraged because he believed that the U.S. navy wanted to establish a military base in Sevastopol. I imagine he believed this because that’s how predators think. If the U.S. established a naval base it would be a little more perilous for him to continue attempting to manipulate and intimidate Ukraine.
2 days ago the U.S. abandoned the charity projects and cancelled upcoming work due to escalating tensions.
winter: “There would be many advantages for Ukraine and Europe. ”
what are you saying, you fucking imbecile!
WHAT fucking advantages?
the advantage to have a new shihole in Europe more corrupt that whole Africa?
the advantage to be blackmailed over Tchernobil and dozens of plants ready to blow?
the advantage to eat radioactive vegetables once they are allowed to sell their shit?
the advantage to have a border with Russia?
the advantage to lose all the industry jobs that haven’t already moved to Poland, even the one that made benefits, thanks to slavery wages in yook-rain?
Ukraine is the same kind of advantage that Mexico is to the US.
you have proved you are a fucking moron. before thinking for us, take care of the war zones there is in every suburbs of the US shitties.
frenchie, you should post more often.
You have a swollen head. It does not matter to us what Europe hoped to gain from the agreement. You are totally missing the point.
Let’s say that because in 1990 the U.S. broke a promise to Russia. Then in 2014 Russia breaks a treaty with 3 other countries. Country X observes that their are no consequences so they break their pact with Countries Y and Z. The treaties, pacts, promises, whatever the hell else they do, fall like dominoes.
How is the world going to look then? I would see the potential for some problems.
“It does not matter to us what Europe hoped to gain from the agreement”
yes, we know quite well.
US has settle the coup in cooperation with Poland and Israeli contractors.
Kerry don’t want an agreement. Ukrainian followed his orders and attacked civilians
there’s fracking gas to sell to Europe, and the only way to turn Russian gas contracts void is a conflict.
personaly, I hope NATO will take a beating and that US will keep in their borders dealing with their own problems. enough is enough
I totally agree that U.S. will now turn to solving their own problems.
There is no treaty.