This Fourth Turning will not be led by old people. This Crisis is developing into a generational war. The corrupt social order is run by older generations for the benefit of themselves. Young people across the globe are the ones being screwed. Over 70% of young people voted for Scottish Independence. The ongoing protests in Hong Kong are solely young people who don’t want the corrupt Chinese oligarchs to be running Hong Kong. Millions of young Americans have been lured into over a trillion dollars of student loan debt, with only crappy service economy jobs available, and kept from buying houses by Wall Street bankers looking out for their own selfish interests. The tension and anger is growing by the minute. The youth across Europe, Asia and the U.S. are pissed off and will be the ones doing the dying in the forthcoming storms. They are young and have nothing to lose. The oligarchs around the world are worried. They are outnumbered. They can’t kill us all. Or can they?
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This won’t end well…
Every single time the Chinese have been pushed or challenged, they have demonstrated a willingness to spend as many lives as possible to prove a point…
Thousands of peasants demonstrating in Hong Kong? If it gets pushed far enough, you all REALLY think the Chinks won’t hesitate to slaughter as many as they have to so the peasants back down? ‘Cause the last time the peasants demonstrated, that worked out well, didn’t it? Tanks and machine guns…
Just give it some time… “They can’t kill us all”…. I suppose that’s true. At some point, it would become a zero sum game. Kill enough people, there’s nobody left to grow food or work the sweatshops, but I think they’re underestimating how fucking evil those bastards are… the ones running the government… unless whatever passes for a Praetorian Guard in China assassinates the Chinese leadership, they’ll fight tooth and nail to retain power…
Still, I wish those little yellow bastards luck… Communism, and it’s retarded second cousin Socialism, are an evil that shouldn’t be foisted on anyone…
Now that’s a protest. I think the ones we should be concerned about are not the ones protesting for more freedom, but the ones protesting and fighting for Sharia law. They can reek a lot of havoc without much effort in this country as we have seen in Boston. Islamic Society Cultural Center ties to terror:
The trustees may not be young but many of the recently radicalized and recently converted are.
Bob.
Billy’s comment is perfect and hilarious. I can’t add anything to it. In fact, I regret even typing this comment. Too late.
“but the ones protesting and fighting for Sharia law.”
Sharia law is a tautology. Sharia translate to law. So a literal translation is “law law”. Know your propaganda…
They can’t kill us all? Anyone want to bet they can.?
This Fourth Turning will not be led by old people
It seems to me that Fourth Turning over there looks to be led by people who look Chinese as well.
Why do their police look like bad ass 9th graders and ours look like WWF rejects on roids? But good for them – make a stand, more than most.
Thanks KIA:
Sharia law
Countries with a Muslim majority, and members of the OIC, where Sharia does not play a role in the legal system. Countries with a secular system of laws, where some parts of civil law (such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, and childcare) are influenced by Sharia Countries where all laws are those of Sharia. Countries where the application of Sharia varies by region.
Sharia law (Arabic: شريعة) is the body of Islamic law. The term means “way” or “path”; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islam.
Sharia deals with all aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, sexuality, and social issues.
There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws that can be called Sharia. It is more like a system of several laws, based on the Qur’an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.
From Wickipedia.
“There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws that can be called Sharia.”
Exactly. It is no different than legal systems that came before. The Jew made laws based off the Talmud, Christians made laws based off of the bible, Islam creates laws based off the Quran. But a more important document that does not get much attention is many laws are based off of the constitution of Medina, penned by Muhammad himself.
The propaganda I am referring to is the MSM broad definition of Sharia and using it to control non-muslims into being fearful.
“They can’t kill us a……..” ~ Former resident of Hiroshima.
Wanna bet?
“It is true that there is a palpable despondency in the air. But I believe it is more from shock than despair. People, I think, have been genuinely sickened and slightly stunned by how massively they have been betrayed. There is something which leaves you feeling winded for a moment, when someone betrays you. People feel violated. But this moment of stunned silence is passing. And what might follow frightens our Dear Leaders and the people they work for – the Over Class.”
David Malone
KIA,
Laws themselves do not scare me it is the people enforcing them and their ability to back up this enforcement. It would be fun to watch a bunch of Muslims trying to enforce Sharia down in Kentucky or Texas.
Bob.
The dominant elite ready to break the “social contract”
http://goo.gl/ppZpL7
” It would be fun to watch a bunch of Muslims trying to enforce Sharia down in Kentucky or Texas.”
Texas might as well be called Jesus Land and Jesus is mentioned more in the Quran than Muhammad.
I am working 84 and more hours per week at this time in order to make the same gross income that I was making in the 1980’s (high 5 figs) so I do not have as much time to visit this site (and make useless comments) as I would like to do.
But I must say this:
While it is certainly true that “the young people will be doing the dying” in this Fourth Turning I myself am ready, willing and still physically able (at 55 – thank you) to do my part, however small a part that may turn out to be. I want a better world, economy, opportunities for my children and grand children and I would lay down my life for them in a New York minute.
So now that I am on the NSA watch list – FUCK YOU NSA, DHS, et, al
@Mark – “It seems to me that Fourth Turning over there looks to be led by people who look Chinese as well.”
I was under the impression that the Fourth Turning theory/prophecy only pertains to America.
Know it all people who are not afraid of Sharia are foolish. Muslims are the same kind of people as Joe Stalin. He was the scariest man in history.
“Muslims are the same kind of people as Joe Stalin.”
You have no proof.
12 months from now, on Wikipedia:
Hong Kong has always been a radioactive crater.
It’s hard to believe that America once had something resembling a Hong Kong moment back in 1968. Such an event seems unlikely today in the era of fashionable compliance, blind patriotism, and enduring American exceptionalism.
https://www.google.com/search?q=1968+chicago+democratic+convention+protest+video&client=firefox-a&hs=q44&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pwYrVK2TIo3bsATDvIGQDQ&ved=0CFUQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=607
Marc,
Then “we” elected Nixon and he closed the gold window. We are being led around like sheep waiting to be fleeced and winter will soon be here.
Bob.
That’s a lot of pissed off Chinamen. But if there is one thing China has, it’s a lot of Chinamen. Right on, Brother Billy.
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@Mark – “It seems to me that Fourth Turning over there looks to be led by people who look Chinese as well.”
I was under the impression that the Fourth Turning theory/prophecy only pertains to America.
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Pertains to peoples who have something in common in addition to their in which they would make sacrifices for.
What keeps me up at night is that, according to Prechter’s interpretation of Elliott’s Wave Principle (and he has obviously shared his data, so if the data is good, then the interpretation has merit) the social mood decline (retrenchment, bear market, call it what you will) we began in 2000 (actually, it’s a rolling top encompassing highs in one market after another from 1998 to now) is ONE DEGREE (at least) larger than the social mood decline that led to Stalin’s and Mao’s mass starvation programs.
The USA (and much of the world’s population) depend on very brittle food distribution systems. If the GMO monoculture collapses, or transportation hiccups, or political decisions intentionally embargo food or fuel to some areas, entire part of the globe could be depopulated in mere months.
Can they “kill us all?”
Ask the 1930’s Kulaks in the Ukraine, or Chinese peasants during Mao’s Cultural Revolution. 200-300 million people were largely starved to death in the 20th century by their own rulers (and their rulers’ agents, let’s not forget that policy has to be translated into action by PEOPLE, and those “following orders” PEOPLE are the tip of the impaling spear.)
People are pissed off this much NOW.
Imagine how much more angry, dismayed and irrational will be the mob once stocks crater, bonds crater, retirement systems implode and all those government checks stop coming in the mail.
The easiest way to cow a whole bunch of people is to set up a blockade and starve them.
I have no doubt whatsoever that cutting roads and setting up checkpoints is on Page 1 for the “how to deal with unrest” manual our rulers use.
@ Bostonbob,
From my view, people were coming off the huge Ozzie and Harriet postwar prosperity and bull market.
The bear market of the mid-60’s smacked ’em, and by the early ’70’s they wanted the party to resume….”Hey NIXON, where did you put the punchbowl?”
So Nixon did what people wanted. He completed what began under LBJ when they took silver out of coinage. The US dollar simply became a unit of account, and this was done so people could party far beyond their means.
Welcome to the ’80’s, ’90’s, and the roller-coaster ’00-now. The dollar is a floating abstraction, and the party ran so long that the revelers (the economy) look like crack addicts.
The next step is cardiac arrest.
Know it all , 1500 hundred years of Islamic history proves they are very much like Stalin or Hitler. After all the Muslim states supported Hitler during WW2 .Iran in Arabic means Aryan .
bb,
I must have missed the entire Islamic Golden Era. Wait, no I didn’t. Also, Muslims did not back anyone in World War 2 seeing as the Ottoman Empire (the last caliphate) was in the collapsed before World War 2. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
There was no golden era in Islam . It’s all bullshit lies and your a lair. Islam is one of the most satanic religions ever dreamed up.They are an ass backward culture. still living in the 7th century.They all supported Hitler during his.quest to genocide Jews ,gypsies and anyone else that was inferior to him.Take your Damn lies else where.
Oh ,lets not forget the Armenian genocide carried out by Turkish Muslims.
The students holding that sheet “They can’t kill us all” ….. are apparently not aware of their country’s OWN history.
That’s all I have to say about that.
The Four Horsemen:
White: Pestilence
Red: War
Black: Famine
Pale: Death
They indeed can kill us all. Or most of us.
Frpm Wikipedia- Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
“In 1932, Hitler was given the name Abu Ali in Syria, and he was named Muhammad Haidar in Egypt.[21] Adolf Hitler was celebrated in large parts of the Arab world, and some newspapers even likened him to the Prophet. Erwin Rommel was almost as popular as Hitler. Arabs Shouted “Heil Rommel” as a common greeting in Arab countries. Many Arabs thought the Germans would free them from the rule of the old colonial powers France and Britain. After France’s defeat by Nazi Germany in 1940, some Arabs were chanting against the French and British around the streets of Damascus: “No more Monsieur, no more Mister, Allah’s in Heaven and Hitler’s on earth.”[22] Posters with Arabic sayings: “In heaven God is your ruler, on earth Hitler” were frequently displayed in shops in the towns of Syria.[23]”
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
To Stucky’s point, China’s history is so filled with engineered massacres (call them wars, famine, whatever you wish) at such an unthinkable scale that they begin to blur together. Mao is only the most well-known in causing 60 million deaths, but he was hardly an original thinker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
Also notable — that 60 million seems to be +/- 15 million people depending on how it is calculated — imagine that, the margin of error alone is equal to six Jewish holocausts.
Just as in Kiev does no one else smell the stench of the washington lunatics and the NED written all over this?
Of course they can’t. Ebola is Contained to Africa.
Oh..wait a minute…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-30/cdc-confirms-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-us
“As experts (as opposed to President Obama) had warned, the probability of Ebola coming to the US is around 20% by year-end. So it should not be a total surprise that:
*CDC CONFIRMS FIRST EBOLA CASE DIAGNOSED IN THE UNITED STATES, PATIENT IS IN DALLAS HOSPITAL, NEWS 8 REPORTS
*CDC DIRECTOR SAYS: `THERE IS NO DOUBT WE WILL STOP IT HERE'”
CDC comes from the same folks running the statistics at the BLS.
Ebola: Not Just for Black People Anymore.
RE
They can certainly make us all miserable … just by breathing.
DenisB-
I can smell the stench from here. As Eurasia + parteners rise and threaten the status quo, blow back should be expected. I expect China will handle it with calm and dignity, in line with The Putin and Ukraine. Im sure they have game planned much of this. It is a major weakness, that is, affluence and slavery in such proximity. The Communist Party has to sell its vision of collective prosperity and paint the West in the correct Fascist light. So I dont imagine “killing them all” is in the cards at this point.
It wouldent suprise me if this hastens the coming conflict, especially if the Chinks can emerge unscathed after this, emboldened.
Lysander,
Since you have tunnel vision and a shallow understanding of history, I will include the rest of the quotes from wikipedia. I will even include excerpts from other wiki pages concerning those who associated with Nazi Germany and why. Try to stick with me so you don’t get confused again…
The paragraph you either missed or dismissed because it did not fully support your claims:
‘In the first place, there is no such thing as Arabs. To speak in the singular of an Arab discourse is an aberration. The Arab world is driven by a multiplicity of points of view. At the time, one could single out four major ideological currents, which extend from western liberalism, through Marxism and nationalism, to islamic fundamentalism. In regard to these four, two, namely western liberalism and Marxism, clearly rejected Nazism, in part on shared grounds (such as the heritage of enlightenment thinkers, and the denunciation of Nazism as a form of racism), and partially because of their geopolitical affiliations. On this issue, Arab nationalism is contradictory. If one looks into it closely, however, the number of nationalistic groups which identified themselves with Nazi propaganda turns out to be quite scaled-down. There is only one clone of Nazism in the Arab world, namely the Syrian social national party, which was founded by a Lebanese Christian, Antoun Saadeh. The Young Egypt Party flirted for a time with Nazism, but it was a fickle, weathercock party. As to accusations that the Ba’ath party was, from the very outset in the 1940s, inspired by Nazism, they are completely false.”
The sentence above your paragraph you either missed or dismissed because it did not fully support your claims:
“Massive programs of propaganda were launched in the Arab world, first by Fascist Italy and later on by Nazi Germany. The Nazis in particular focused on impacting the new generation of political thinkers and activists”
Not completely supporting your claims because the Reich was very active in many countries with propaganda. Still not enough to include all Arabs or Islamist.
“The two most noted Arab politicians who actively collaborated with the Nazis were Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (al Quds) Haj Amin al-Husseini, and the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani.”
Oh, now who are these two men and why were they Nazi supporters?
Throughout World War II, al-Husseini worked for the Axis Powers as a broadcaster in propaganda targeting Arab public opinion. The Mufti was paid “an absolute fortune” of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year), the equivalent today of $12,000,000 a year. Walter Winchell called him ‘the Arabian Lord Haw-Haw (nickname for a war time traitor).
Ouch, that one stung. A paid propagandist for Nazi Germany.
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And for Rashid Aali al-Gaylani the Prime Minister of Iraq?
“On 31 March 1940, when Gaylani was again appointed Prime Minister, World War II had started and Iraq had just experienced the premature death of King Ghazi. Ghazi’s reign was followed by a Regency for his four-year-old son who was now the new King Faisal II. Faisal’s Regent was Ghazi’s uncle, Emir Abdul-Illah. Abdul-Illah supported Britain in the war, but he was unable to control Gaylani, who used the war to further his own nationalist goals by refusing to allow Allied troops passage through Iraq to the front.”
Whoops, seems Gaylani had aspirations and took advantage of a four year old King and his Uncle Regent. This lead to the 1941 Iraqi coup:
“The Golden Square coup was initiated on April 1, 1941, overthrowing the regime of Regent ‘Abd al-Ilah and installing Rashid Ali as Prime Minister. Haj Amin al-Husseini was one of the orchestrators of Rashid Ali al-Gaylani’s coup d’état, with Nazi support and financing”
“They can’t kill us all. Or can they?”
Admin, please let me introduce you to Ebama. Ebama-Admin Admin-Ebama. Now that you’ve met, let’s revisit just how many of us they CAN kill. Don’t forget to wash your hands-that’s like garlic and sunshine to Ebama.
Oh, and here is the grown King Faisal II of Iraq with Queen Elizabeth after World War II. Yeah, they look like enemies..
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“This Fourth Turning will not be led by old people.”
—-Admin
Wanna bet? Your imperious dismissal of experienced and wise people of advanced age is insulting and without merit. You seem to think that all of us are fucking programmed robots unwilling and/or unable to step up to the plate and resist.
You are wrong.
SSS leading the charge during the coming shitstorm.
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@bb, wow. Ignore history much?
The CATHOLIC church supported Hitler and encouraged other Christian churches to do the same.
Have you ever read about Henry VIII’s, or his daughter Mary’s, reigns? One spent most of his time slaughtering Roman Catholics (and a few Lutherans) in God’s name, as God’s specially chosen vassal on earth. The other went back to being Roman Catholic and slaughtering “Reformers.” Either way I’m sure they both slaughtered many for personal means using God’s name. I guess cause they spout Jesus on Sunday instead of Mohammad, that makes it moral and just. I’m sure the families of the dead would agree with you.
And that is just a few short years in ONE country of your “religion of peace.” Many, many, a European war in the past five centuries was one flavor of Christianity/control fighting with another flavor over the differences. And power and glory but we pretend once Jesus’ name is invoked that P&G only plays a small part. So freaking easily led we are.
Yes, TODAY some Muslim leaders/terrorist heads seem out of touch and horrific. Yet it wasn’t very long ago OUR church leaders were pursuing much of the same theories and control.
Organized ANYTHING is the danger. These groups consolidate wealth, then power, then become murderous towards outsiders or “threats.”
Finger pointing and side-choosing one will just result in your future horror coming at the hands of the “better” one.
I have to tell you, since I get to watch this spectacular implosion no matter what I do to try and stop it, I am soooooooo going to enjoy holding back smiles as I watch those that believed the bullshit be crushed by it. I know it’s wrong, I think my god wouldn’t like it, but I just can’t help it. People are dense and have no desire to rise above, that is a choice. I’m done crying for people that refuse to help themselves and open their own eyes.
After reading the above comments,i had to admit my mistake in judgement. Islam is not only peaceful but tolerant. I lost my head.
SSS-Admin
The current tiff seems to be one of semantics. “Led” is a very broad term. Will the millenials be “led” from the front by a modern Custer figure or will they be “managed” from the rear via facefuck? Either way I am sure the impetus for action will be generated by an older generation, possibly X’ers, but far more likely Boomers. The undoubted probability is clearly that the ground forces will be millenials, and most of the sensory observations will reflect this, but the masterminds behind the moves will most likely be old fucks.
“Islam is one of the most satanic religions ever dreamed up.They are an ass backward culture. still living in the 7th century.”
Eh, you might have gotten away with that claim if some Islamic cities didn’t make the US look like a third world country.
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China Detains ‘Activists’, Adopts “Wait-‘Em-Out” Tactic As Hong Kong Protest Swells To 300,000
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/01/2014 12:43 -0400
On day four of the OccupyCentral protests in Hong Kong, leaders are expecting the crowds to swell to over 300,000 as National Day celebrations begin. The Chinese government appears to be taking two different approaches to the civil disobedience. First, major crackdowns on the mainland, as FirstPost reports, authorities have detained more than a dozen activists across China and questioned as many as 60 others who expressed support for Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protests in recent days. However, the government’s approach in Hong Kong appears to be “wait-it-out”, a tactic that would rely on Hongkongers not taking part in the protests becoming fed up with the inconvenience caused by the demonstrations. Of course, how long that tactic remains in place (post National Day) is anyone’s guess especially as student leaders threaten to escalate protests as their deadline for Leung’s resignation looms.
Time-lapse view of the surge in crowds…
As SCMP reports,
Protests are expected to ramp up a gear tonight on the symbolic National Day holiday after student leaders set Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying a deadline of tomorrow to resign before they start occupying government buildings.
So far, Leung has refused to budge, raising a toast with mainland officials at the National Day flag-raising ceremony this morning against a backdrop of jeering protesters outside.
And more lawyers consider legal action against the police’s use of force…
More than 370 solicitors and international lawyers issued a statement yesterday condemning the use of force. Police on Sunday fired 87 tear gas canisters, used pepper spray and restrained protesters with batons. “Regardless of the technical legality or otherwise of such use of force by the police, their lack of self-restraint is an affront [to] the rule of law,” they said.
The statement followed one by the Bar Association, which deplored the “excessive and disproportionate force” used on demonstrators in Admiralty. The Law Society has been silent.
Police actions have been defended by Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor as reasonable.
Some of the signatories said they would help demonstrators file personal injury claims over the use of pepper spray and tear gas.
But solicitor and Democrat Albert Ho Chun-yan said such lawsuits would be difficult to win because the court might accept that the police had discretion to enforce the law.
Professor Simon Young Ngai-man, of the University of Hong Kong law faculty, queried the lawfulness of the police actions.
Writing on the faculty’s blog, Young said police gave protesters neither enough warning nor enough time to disperse before firing tear gas.
Officers, Young said, aimed tear gas directly at protesters or into crowds, “suggesting that not the minimum level of force was used”.
Carter Chim Ting-cheong, a member of the Bar Association’s committee on constitutional affairs and human rights, said there were well-established rules that required the police to avoid excessive force while facilitating the safe expression of protesters’ opinions.
Executive Council member Fanny Law Fan Chiu-fun apologised to the police for saying they should “explain” why tear gas was used. “I might have used the wrong word.” she said, adding the use of tear gas “was reasonable”.
The Chinese government remains active on the mainland in efforts to quell the spread of this civil disobedience…
Authorities have detained more than a dozen activists across China and questioned as many as 60 others who expressed support for Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protests in recent days, campaign groups said Wednesday.
The clampdown comes with Beijing’s propaganda machine in overdrive to suppress news of the protests, which are expected to draw their biggest crowds yet as the former British colony begins a two-day public holiday on Wednesday.
Amnesty International put the figures even higher, saying at least 20 were detained and another 60 called in for questioning.
“The rounding up of activists in mainland China only underlines why so many people in Hong Kong fear the growing control Beijing has in their city’s affairs,” Amnesty’s China researcher William Nee said in a statement.
The group called on Chinese authorities to “immediately release all those being detained for peacefully expressing their support for protesters in Hong Kong”.
A group of “up to 20 citizens” were seized by police on Tuesday in the southern metropolis of Guangzhou, near Hong Kong, after gathering in a city park to voice support for the pro-democracy camp, according to CHRD.
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“All problems that affect the party’s creativity, cohesiveness and effectiveness must be addressed, all illnesses that harm the party’s advanced nature and purity completely cured and all tumours grown on the healthy organism of the party removed,” he added, according to the official Xinhua news agency.
But in Hong Kong, amid the actual protests, the government is adopting a different strategy…
Leung Chun-ying, Hong Kong’s chief executive, has adopted a new strategy to marshal the city’s widespread pro-democracy protests: allow the demonstrations to continue until the protesters tire or lose support from the wider public, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The impetus to resolve the standoff peacefully has come from the Chinese government in Beijing, this person said.
“Beijing has set a line to C.Y. You cannot open fire,” this person said. “You must halt it in a peaceful way.”
The thinking behind the tactic is to resolve the standoff by peaceful means and comes after a move on Sunday to deploy tear gas backfired on the government.
“The strategy is to control the situation and let them occupy until a time that the inconvenience caused to others in Hong Kong will swing the public opinion against Occupy or pressure the organizers to call it off,” this person said. “They can wait to a time the public opinion will swing.”
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Despite shutdowns on Instagram, images still escape and with the eyes of the world on China’s treatment of these free-speech-advocates, it is perhaps no surprise they switched tactics (for now) but if student leaders escalate and occupy government buildings as they promised to do if Leung does not resign, then all bets are off….
BB they don’t have to kill us all. They just have to kill enough to make the rest change their behavior. They can do tthat and are willing to do so. Does anyone think the Chinese Reds give a crap what the human rights activists think about them?
The movement takes a life of it own as the number swells to over 300,000.
Reminds me of Woodstock. I just wonder if a Woodstock is possible with the Metro Sexual generation?