All this talk in the past week about nuke bombs …. well, it put me in the mood to see shit getting blown up.
Best watched in full screen and with the volume way up … so you can appreciate fully the KABOOM!!
I just love the one at the 1:20 mark … all those flames!
Sometimes things don’t go according to plan. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XHcCbY2wY38
2 THINGS TO NOTICE ABOUT THESE EXPLOSIONS …. ESPECIALLY IF YOU’RE A 9-11 TRUFER NUTJOB
Disclaimer: I do NOT believe the official government story about 9-11. Why? Because the USA!USA!USA! government is a den of fucking liars … about everything. This is now established fact, and requires no proof.
HOWEVER, that does not mean I have to believe the incredibly wacky, illogical, and demonstratively impossible idea that explosives brought down the towers.
1. Notice that NOT ONE SINGLE demolition collapse ….. STARTS AT THE TOP, as is the case with the WTC towers. Not. One. Ultimately, it is not the explosion that brings down a building, it is gravity. And that’s why ALL demolitions focus on destroying support columns at THE BOTTOM, and middle (for taller buildings), and NEVER at the top. Is that fuckin’ clear enough!!??
2. LOOK AT DEM DERE SQUIBS!!!
Truthers just love their SQUIBS! They even circle the little fuckers, in case you might miss them. Truthers say it is an explosive charge going off … and a SURE sign of a “controlled demolition”.
They say that these squibs increase with time as the building collapses. Indeed, in the above picture they event say “Oops … too early!”. Horseshit. Sadly for them, this is the exact reverse of how these explosions work! The strongest point in the explosion is the moment the charge is set off, and when ALL the squibs have detonated before the building starts falling. They don’t go off AS the building is falling (as the above picture demands).
Truthers have squibs going off as low as the 40th floor. Think about how insanely illogical that is …. 60 floors have already collapsed, and they still have squibs exploding just as the collapse reaches the 40th floor! Fuckin’ nuts.
Go back at look at the videos. Are those squibs tiny little puffs of smoke barely visible, or are they BIG AND LOUD AND VERY VISIBLE? Do they occur AS the building is falling, or all at once before the building falls? Do they occur at the top, or the middle and bottom? When you answer those questions correctly, you will no longer be bedazzled by Truther bullshit.
“More supposition and theory from Hardscrabble. No hard facts. No answers to how it could be pulled off by an incompetent government. No details on how this secret conspiracy of thousands has been kept silent for 14 years. ”
Here is Admins version of facts, answers and details:
http://debunking911.com/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/
Can someone ask Christine Todd Whitman if the air is safe to breathe?
“No details on how this secret conspiracy of thousands has been kept silent for 14 years.”
Were you being intentionally ironic or are you have a disc error while you typed.
The conspiracy doesn’t need thousands, it only needs a few. The rest are dupes, layered, compartmentalized, under the impression they are doing the exact opposite (see the Vigilant Guardian comments from the Generals running it) and there are the expendables.
BTW, has OJ Simpson ever detailed what he did yet? Oh, that’s right, he dindu it.
Thanks for reposting those excellent websites where each and every truther conspiracy theory is soundly debunked with facts.
Now you are coming around.
“Now I remember why I stopped posting 9/11 threads.” ———- Admin
Not to worry, I’m taking up the slack.
This shitfest is likely drawing to a close … hope we hit 300 comments …. just for your “hit counter”, BUT, September 11, 2015 is less than a month away.
There will be another post coming on that anniversary. “Why Truthers Are Idiots”, “20 Questions Truthers Can’t Answer”, “If Your Daughter Comes Home With a Truther Boyfriend, SHOOT HIM Immediately” …. haven’t quite worked out a title yet …. but, it will be a doozy.
One aspect I’m considering is to focus on all the Amazing Stupid Shit trufers say … like the building was nuked, or lots of people jerking off made it fall. There’s some good stuff right there. But, I might not be able to keep it under 500 pages … that’s how much bullshit these people believe.
Anyway, if you or others have any ideas lemme know. I’m hoping to do something a little different, if possible … rather than rehashing the same old stuff. If I can’t find a more unique angle, I probably won’t do another same-old same-old article.
I am also hoping that razzle and dildo get so pissed off they leave.
Why was that plane allowed to fly into a military establishment as the Vice President watched?
Legit question. No answer.
Not that this proves anything either way just curious why you think this plane was not shot down with some kind of air defenses.
Popular Mechanics didn’t tell me.
@Stuck
— “Vertically directed vibration ………. sounds like a bunch of Trufers jacking off in unison.”
I am pretty sure something somewhere is harvesting all the energy wasted on masturbation.
— “What happened to the idea the buildings were nuked.”
Did *I* say they were nuked? It’s a helpful life skill to be able to hold more than one concept in your mind at a time.
There are lots of different ways to pull off this magic trick without having to fall into “Well clearly he sawed her in half” level thinking.
Cog again asks more questions with no answers. We’re waiting for your answers. Oh yeah. Truthers never have answers. I forgot.
I found it hugely amusing that some idiots actually believe a plane was purposely flown into the pentagon accounting department to cover up the missing $2.3 trillion. You maroons actually think accounting records are kept on paper and are not stored on computer servers that aren’t actually in the accounting department.
Yikes. The stupid is burning red hot.
@DRUD
– “Controlled demolition people, stick to that and only that because that is all I have ever argued… and I say the odds are about 10 million to one against.”
Show your math.
“Normally I don’t name them, but I will name one Stucky.” —— HF
Do you have a jackass? If so, name THAT one “Stucky”. But, for fukssake, please do NOT name a goddamned chicken after me.
Did you ask me a question?
#299
HF
There would need to be dupes who would have realized after the fact that they were used in committing the largest mass murder in history.
And not one fucking dupe’s conscience has bothered them enough to step forward and admit they were a dupe in the plot.
Really???
oops … #299 is actually #300. (Cog-whathefuckever sneaked in another dumbshit comment)
Anyway … I WIN. Rules are rules … fuckoff if you don’t like it.
I declare that this thread may now officially die. What’s left to say after I won?
Just had a legitimate question and honestly wondered what your thoughts were.
Thanks
@Stucky
— “I am also hoping that razzle and dildo get so pissed off they leave.”
I’m shocked!.
I didn’t think children of the Ancient AI had imaginations at all!
The amount of butthurt that can develop around here while I’m sleeping is astonishing.
From this:
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to this:
in no time at all.
to this:
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WPES
Admin says: You maroons actually think accounting records are kept on paper and are not stored on computer servers that aren’t actually in the accounting department.
There may well be, probably are, backup records somewhere. Go ahead and file a FOIA request for them, let me know how that works out.
A little music to sooth the butthurt:
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Let me summarise so far:
Trufer nutjobs: “Shriek! Da lanes din do it! Shriek!”
Stucky ; “You dumb cunts.”
Admin: “Here are some facts. Choke on those you dipshits”.
Trufers: “Shriek!!”
I love the smell of burning assholes in the morning. Just amazed how mant there are. Even generally sane folks go batshit crazy when 9/11 is mentioned.
Stuck – magnificent effort. Admin – crushed them with logic.
I don’t know why Flight 77 was not shot down. I don’t know why the two NYC planes weren’t shot down.
I would chalk it up to mass confusion, not knowing which planes and how many planes had been hijacked, no one having the nerve to shoot down planes with innocent people onboard, and no one being in charge of making the decision.
I’ve been called worst things than a idiot before, but hopefully I can add to the discussion on other topics in the future.
Copperhead
I wasn’t referring to you specifically. I was using the term idiot in general regarding all of my esteemed opponents whom I have vanquished.
Please join the discussions. You can replace the pussies who are skulking off after this thread.
Admin, no one in charge of making the decision? As the vice-CinC, that would clearly be Cheney.
Cheney wasn’t making shoot down decisions during that mass confusion period. No one knew what was happening and what would happen next. The people in Washington were clueless where planes were and where they were going.
I’m going out drinking with a buddy. I expect this thread to be over 400 comments when I get back.
I’ll let Llpoh take over kicking your asses.
@Copperhead
— “There would need to be dupes who would have realized after the fact that they were used in committing the largest mass murder in history. ”
I don’t assume they even believe what they are pushing. The Ancient AI depends on human emotional tension to sustain itself and TBP was running low on its monthly quota.
Bogging it down with concepts like Stucky compensating for his hypothepenith shooting blanks so it has to allocate an inordinate amount of energy trying to comprehend them is the only defense.
I dont either and that is why I continue to question these things instead insulting those who do.
Well now…
@Copperhead
— “I’ve been called worst things than a idiot before, but hopefully I can add to the discussion on other topics in the future.”
Silver lining… more fuel for the AI comprehension system to try to decipher.
I just have a hard time understanding why legitimate questions about these things get non-trufers panties in a bunch. Little tantrums because questions are raised. I certainly don’t claim to have the answers and I will continue to ask questions even though you debunked us.
Another question….Do you non-trufers think OKC was done byTimmy Mc Veigh? Do you think that truck parked on the street caused the building to blow from the inside out?
Im a OKC trufer too!
“Cheney wasn’t making shoot down decisions during that mass confusion period. No one knew what was happening and what would happen next. The people in Washington were clueless where planes were and where they were going.”
You clearly missed Secretary Mineta’s testimony describing as they watched the plane approach the pentagon.
@cogdissnormbias
— “I just have a hard time understanding why legitimate questions about these things get non-trufers panties in a bunch.”
Because they are fishing for reactions. It’s why they are using the style of language they are.
Admin,
Cheney was in the command room of the Pentagon when it was hit. Either:
1. The Pentagon has no air defenses; or
2. The soldiers present knew there was an aircraft on course towards them, not clear if they were in communication with Bush, but if not, Cheney had the responsibility to make a decision or not make a decision.
Which is it?
It’s funny to come back 14 hours later and see the insane blatherings of the truthers and the psychoanalysis of me. I must be part of the plot because I don’t believe.
The best part is that half the truthers are arguing that Cheney should have shot down the plane. The other half of the truthers say it wasn’t a plane because there are no body parts or luggage.
Can’t you fucking truthers get together and get your stories straight. Was it a plane or a missile? How could Cheney be watching the plane head toward the pentagon if it wasn’t a plane.
Let’s face it. DRUD’s comments were logical and reasoned. His argument won the day early in the thread. No one has posted anything since that refutes what he said.
I declare myself, Stuck, DRUD, Llpoh and the other right thinking TBP big dogs unanimous winners in a 2nd round KO.
Now all the pissed off truthers can storm away from the discredited TBP and vow never to come back to this dreadful government sponsored anti-truth site.
BWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA
Stucky,
When you have your get together in NY later this year I wouldn’t open with 9/11.
Copperhead —- I’ll keep that in mind. 🙂
TO THE FOLKS GOING TO NYC ………. we can talk about this as the time gets closer …. but, we might want to consider going to the 9-11 memorial …. there are bars bordering it ………… and it is really truly a place worth seeing ……. it WILL affect you in ways you may not be able to imagine…….. THEN we can start a demolition debate.
@Stucky
Been there. Was powerfully affected. Reminded me that governments LOVE to setup memorials to commemorate their best works and keep the emotional energy circulating.
razzle
I’ve only been there once. First time I looked into the reflecting pool … and I thought about the people jumping off the building .. one couple even holding hands …. and I could barely contain the tears.
The museum wasn’t open back then. I hear it’s pretty nice. It was supposed to be FREE … but, I think they charge about $25 now? Anything to make a buck. OTOH, at least taxpayers aren’t obligated to pay for the upkeep (I think).
@Jim, I know you don’t agree with my and some others’ viewpoint on 9/11, but that’s not going to stop me from saying what I believe. Nor is the shitfest going to scare me away. So no worries there.
@All you insane truth deniers, among many, many other analyses, this one, peer reviewed by four other Ph.D.s, seems to demolish the official story of “OMG, airliners hit it and office paper burned it to the ground”:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
I don’t know exactly who did 9/11 or exactly how it was done. I think there’s tons and tons of circumstantial evidence that some Israelis, some Saudis, and some parts of the Neocon Bush regime were at minimum aware of the attack. Who among them perpetrated it – if any – is not clear. It may be that Al Qaeda did actually attack us that day, but things were set up to make the damage vastly worse than AQ could have managed on its own. I don’t know. But whatever you think of the collapses, try to explain the numerous reliable reports of explosions in the basement beforehand, or the huge amount of glowing and molten metal in the wreckage weeks later.
Jim said: “You maroons actually think accounting records are kept on paper and are not stored on computer servers that aren’t actually in the accounting department.”
Since I was just reading about how the nations’ nuclear missiles still rely on 8″ floppy disks for their operation, today in 2015, it’s not hard to imagine that the Pentagon still did some accounting on paper 14 years ago. Or that it was electronic but they didn’t have offsite backups and the computers/disks got burned up in the Pentagon explosion. Whofa king knows.
@Stuck
— “…and I could barely contain the tears.”
Your tears fed my contempt.
Just staving off the cumbayou nausea! 😉
The thread that won’t die!!
“OMG, airliners hit it and office paper burned it to the ground”: ———- Persnickety
Ya see, it’s hard to take you seriously or not call you names when you come out of the gate with an utterly false statement which belittles and minimizes what happened. An airplane carrying about 20,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into a building at 500 mph and incinerated EVERYTHING … not just office papers. Go burn a piece of paper. What color is the smoke? It’s grey. What color smoke was POURING out from the towers? BLACK! It was far more than “office paper”
The molten steel.
1. First, how do you know it was molten? Please don’t show pictures of glowing steel being pulled out of the rubble. There is a difference between incandescent and molten. Steel can get hot enough to glow LONG BEFORE it gets hot enough to melt. Molten steel requires a temperature of 1500 degrees C. Show me proof where someone measured the temperature of this “molten” steel.
2) The 2nd question will be more difficult. Where is all the molten concrete? There should be huge pools of it, not tiny little puddles (of which there were some). The silicate minerals in concrete,would melt at well below the temperature of molten steel. If there’s molten steel … where’s the molted concrete?
— “The thread that won’t die!!”
Has to reach 333, otherwise the tesseract at the north pole of Saturn won’t be satisfied.
“Your tears fed my contempt.” ——- razzle
Your hatred for whatever (government, TPTB, Illuminati, whatever) is so great that you felt no compassion for what took place there, and for the people that died?
Is that what you mean?
@Stucky
Congrats! You fed Chronos his 9!
— “Your hatred…”
Contempt is not hatred. If I were anywhere near hatred you would have been able to provoke *something* besides amusement from me at some point in this thread.
— “…for whatever (government, TPTB, Illuminati, whatever) is so great that you felt no compassion for what took place there, and for the people that died?”
I thought about all the dead people who don’t have memorials.
Alright, enough of this shit!
I really thought some of you guys were more well-read and cynical of officialdom than what is being revealed here. Those in the non-truther camp are suffering from mass cognitive dissonance. Seems to me that those of us who think we have a pretty good idea of what happened that day have much better info. For example:
-It was the first day on the job for two of the people in the chain of command. They were deer in headlights
-Cheney was in the bunker giving orders
-Bush was conveniently out of town. He said he watched one of the planes hit the WTC. This would have been impossible. Why wasn’t he immediately whisked away when it was clear this was an attack? Instead he spent a good 40 minutes in the school, possibly a target for another attack since it was well known where he was at the moment.
-Jet interceptors were sent to fly in circles out in the Atlantic rather than protect D.C.
-The airliner to headquarters text system showed one of the hijacked airliners was sending data after it supposedly crashed
-Cheney was heard by Leon Mineta and others saying “the order still stands” We don’t know what the “order” was but it’s pretty clear it was “let it happen, cappan”
-No pilot has ever come forward to state they could fly a 757 on the route that it supposedly flew to hit the Pentagon. And Boeing even was quoted as saying a 757 could not possibly fly that low at that speed. It defies the laws of physics and all the veteran 757 pilots I’ve seen interviewed say it wouldn’t be possible
-There was a fire at the Pentagon just BEFORE anything hit it.
-The debris appeared AFTER whatever crashed into the Pentagon had already hit. There is a space of time when the lawn was almost clear after impact, then debris showed up, and
-The engine parts were for show, it was later discovered those parts were from a much smaller jet, not from a 757!
I could go on and on, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, well, you know. The facts proving this was a coup ‘de tat are clear, it was the PNAC playbook writ large. Read that shit sometime, we’re still following it, so it appears Obama is/was a Manchurian candidate under the control file of Cheney or other neocons, and does their bidding or else. Same will happen with any other candidate who gets elected. Or they’ll suffer a “accidental” shot or 2 to the head.
BTW Admin, Popular Mechanics trash reporting on 911 has been seriously debunked. Go the the link I provided if you want to educate yourself. Personally, I’m embarrassed for you; thought you were smarter than to peddle CIA mis-information-GOTCHA!
“The magazine pushing the government’s 9/11 propaganda, Popular Mechanics (PM), is published by the Hearst family. Its March cover story, Debunking 9/11 Lies, has been exposed by credible researchers to contain numerous distortions and flawed conclusions. American Free Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior researcher who authored the 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The PM article illustrates how a propaganda method, used by dictatorships, is now being employed by the U.S. government: controlling mainstream media outlets to promote its version of 9/11.”
http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm
HS: So glad to see you’ve researched this and come to some of the same conclusions as I. Your comments are spot-on and well-said.
Dr Paul Craig Roberts…..another idiot Trufer.
I agree West…..Ignorance is no excuse. It becomes clear very quickly when all you can do is hurl insults that these non-trufers have no legs on which to stand. Even someone like Admin, who I admire and respect for his financial insights, seems to be totally clueless and uninformed on this topic.
“Cheney wasn’t making shoot down decisions during that mass confusion period. No one knew what was happening and what would happen next. The people in Washington were clueless where planes were and where they were going.” – Admin
The plane is 50 mils out….the plane is 40 miles out….the plane is 30 miles out…….the plane is 20 miles out…….the plane is 10 miles out!!!!!!…….Mr Vice President Do the orders still stand????
Yeah he was too confused and clueless Ok good one Admin.
Thanks, Cog. Here’s another brick in the wall called TRUTH!
http://911-questions.com/pilot-who-flew-the-airplanes-that-crashed-on-911-speaks-out/
Westie
I believe there has been a agreement to chase down truthers for fear of being tagged a conspiracy/truther site. This was Stucky fulfilling Llpohs request for a shitfest at the expense of those who have passionate opinions about this event.
Even those with room temp IQ can see B7 was brought down with controlled demolition.They refuse to see the obvious or consider any info other than what was mainstream. Why waste time with those who have their own agenda?
cogdissnormbias…Maybe Administrator isn’t “totally clueless and uninformed on this topic” as you suggest.
I’ve been following Jim Quinn since TBP was a blog associated with Raging Debate. Then he was as hostile as hell toward 911 Truthers. The Senator and the infamous DP were driven off the site. In those days I didn’t even see a hint that Quinn was anything other than a true believer of the government’s boxcutter terrorists 911 explanation.
In later years I’ve seen hints that maybe Jim’s not so clueless about 911. Examples have been that he’s posted a Paul Craig Roberts article where Roberts mentioned his doubts about the official 911 story. Then there have been other posts, and comments, that have opened the door a little wider for 911 discussion. Now, and most amazingly to me, there’s this almost 400 comment 911 story where some very knowledgable people are posting cogent comments questioning, no… demolishing, the party line. Sure, Jim’s playing his role as a Doubting Thomas in the debate but my impression is that he’s in the ring more to keep the discussion going, which is exactly what’s happened.
So, cogdissnormbias, consider that Jim Quinn may have become a closet Truther who wants others to get out the story for him while he publicly takes a safe position that won’t jeopardize his job in any way, his friendships, and TBP.
Bea,
Now that we have the perspective of 14 years on this event, just consider how much America has changed in that time span. Draconian restrictions on our freedoms, endless war with nothing to show for it, a horrible economy getting even worse, more disparity between the .01% and the rest of us, the list goes on and on, and MOST of it was spawned by 911.
How can an intelligent person not see this? We were and continue to be played.