FOURTH TURNING – SOCIAL & CULTURAL DISTRESS DIVIDING THE NATION

I wrote the first three parts of this article back in September and planned to finish it in early October, but life intervened and truthfully I don’t think I was ready to confront how bad things will likely get as this Fourth Turning moves into the violent, chaotic war stage just over the horizon. The developments in the Middle East, Europe, U.S., China and across the globe in the last months have confirmed my belief war drums are beating louder, global war beckons, and much bloodshed will be the result. Fourth Turnings proceed at their own pace within the 20 to 25 year crisis framework, but there is one guarantee – they never de-intensify as they progress. Just as Winter gets colder, stormier and more bitter as you proceed from December through February, Fourth Turnings get nastier, grimmer, more perilous, with our way of life hanging in the balance.

In Part 1 of this article I discussed the catalyst spark which ignited this Fourth Turning and the seemingly delayed regeneracy. In Part 2 I pondered possible Grey Champion prophet generation leaders who could arise during the regeneracy. In Part 3 I focused on the economic channel of distress which is likely to be the primary driving force in the next phase of this Crisis. In Part 4 I will assess the social and cultural channels of distress dividing the nation, Part 5 the technological, ecological, political, military channels of distress likely to burst forth with the molten ingredients of this Fourth Turning, and finally in Part 6 our rendezvous with destiny, with potential climaxes to this Winter of our discontent.

The road ahead will be distressful for everyone living in the U.S., as we experience the horrors of war, economic collapse, civil chaos, political upheaval, and the tearing of society’s social fabric. The pain and suffering being experienced across the globe today will not bypass the people of the United States. Winter has arrived and lethal storms are gathering in the distance. Don’t think you can escape. You can prepare, but this Crisis will reshape our society for better or worse, and you cannot sidestep the consequences or cruel environment we must survive.

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Social Distress

The vast and growing Grand Canyon sized gap between the haves and have nots, and the societal implications of an elitist uber-wealthy minority capturing the levers of our economic, financial, and political systems, using that control to further enrich themselves at the expense of the isolated working class, can be clearly understood by following the dialogue between three billionaires chatting on stage at a conference thrown by a convicted Wall Street criminal.

Sheryl Sandberg: “Yeah, so let’s follow up on a bunch of the things we were talking about. Let’s start with income inequality.”

Hank Paulson: “Ok, well.. income inequality. I think this is something we’ve all thought about. You know I was working on that topic when I was still at Goldman Sachs..”

Robert Rubin: “In which direction? You were working on increasing it.”

Hank Paulson then bursts out laughing: “Yeah! We were making it wider!”

Paulson and Rubin spent vast portions of their lives working for the vampire squid on the face of America – Goldman Sachs. This firm represents everything wrong with our social order, as they use all means (legal or illegal) to enrich themselves, whether it be back stabbing clients, double crossing partners, eviscerating vulnerable competitors, robbing the poor, rigging markets, buying influence, placing executives in the highest levels of government, or screwing the taxpayer when their risky gambles blow up the world. Paulson and Rubin are the perfect representatives of the .1% ruling class who protect their interests and the interests of their crony capitalist colleagues at all costs. They truly believe they are shrewder, more astute, cleverer, deserving of the billions they have absconded through rigging the markets, should be running the country behind the scenes, and merit the worship of the lowly peasantry.

The gap between the richest 1% and the bottom 90% has never been wider in history. The previous largest gap occurred in 1929, at the start of the last Fourth Turning. When the real median household income hasn’t advanced in the last 26 years and men’s real wages are where they were in 1971, while CEOs of S&P 500 companies make 331 times their workers and Wall Street hedge fund managers make billions while paying no taxes, you have building anger, disillusionment and calls for retribution.

Some people are waking up to the fact the Ben Bernanke led Federal Reserve and the Hank Paulson/Tim Geithner led Treasury saved their buddies on Wall Street while throwing the people on Main Street under the bus. When Wall Street’s leveraged risk bets pay off, they reap all the riches – as is happening today. When their colossal wagers go bad, the propaganda about systematic failure is rolled out and the American people are stuck with the losses. The goal has always been to revive the stock market and make sure the Wall Street banks continue to generate billions in profits, while leaving the taxpayer on the hook for their failed bets.

The OWS and Tea Party were both grass roots initiated movements as a societal response to the distress created by Wall Street and their government crony cohorts. The Wall Street banks colluded with DHS and captured politicians of both parties to crush OWS and subvert the Tea Party. The Deep State’s success in squashing dissent from what they considered the lowly peasants has only been temporarily papered over by the $10 trillion of debt issued to keep the masses sedated, deluded and ignorant about the true nature of the ongoing crisis. The storyline about the 1% is misleading, as many people in the 1% are small business owners, doctors, and professional workers. The true story is the exponential wealth increase of the .1% over the last 35 years as the financialization of the economy has enriched psychopathic, highly educated men who produce nothing but misery, debt, and ultimately social unrest.

Decomposing the 1% reveals the top .1% increasing their share of the national wealth from less than 9% in 1980 to over 21% today. These are the corporate CEO’s buying back their company stock at all-time highs in order to boost their stock based compensation, Wall Street executives who committed the largest control fraud in world history while unabashedly flaunting laws & regulations, hedge fund managers who manipulate and rig the markets while paying no taxes on their billion dollar profits, and billionaire cronies who profit from the military industrial complex and sick care complex by paying off politicians to write laws in their favor and funnel government contracts to them. The sacking and pillaging of the nation’s wealth by psychopaths who are never satisfied with their current vast level of riches, power and control, exposes itself in the tremendous recovery on Wall Street and the ongoing depression on Main Street.

A simmering rage is bubbling below the surface as 20% of American households rely on food stamps to survive, the percentage of Americans in the labor force stands at a four decade low, real household income remains stagnant at 1988 levels, corporate profits have reached record levels while corporations continue to fire Americans – shipping their jobs overseas, and the six mega-corporations representing the mainstream media cover up the truth, mislead the public with propaganda, while celebrating the .1% as saviors of our economy. There is nothing more volatile to societal stability than millions of unemployed men, growing angry and resentful towards the ruling class for their lot in life.

The vast gulf between the haves and have nots will fuel further violence between the classes, as our fraying society is already seething with anger between races, religions, political parties, and genders. The increasingly brutal police state, militarization of local police forces, shaking down of citizens through fines, and unlawful surveillance of our electronic communications, will lead to a backlash against police.

The Black Lives Matter movement, begun after a number of police brutality incidents against black men, has been hijacked by politically motived race baiters and is exacerbating tensions between blacks and whites. The false storyline perpetuated by the media disregards the fact blacks, who represent 13% of the population, commit 22% of all violent crimes and 93% of black shooting victims are shot by other blacks. The white population, abiding by laws, is getting sick of being blamed for the gun violence and lawlessness in liberal ghetto bastions like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Philadelphia.

Cultural Distress

Even though the vast majority of gun related crimes happen in urban ghettos and the much publicized mass shootings are committed by mentally deranged young men on psychotropic drugs, liberal control freak politicians use scare tactics and misinformation in their effort to grab the guns of law abiding Americans living in rural regions. It is the elitist hypocrite politicians living on the coasts, protected by armed guards, who want to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment, and think it is fine for the 4th Amendment to be disregarded by police thugs across the land. Disarming the citizenry is essential to implementing a dictatorial regime. The race wars have intensified, as the Black Lives Matter meme has spread to college campuses in Missouri and in the hallowed Ivy League at Yale and Princeton.

The bullying tactics of the pampered participation trophy generation of entitled millennials, being misled by social justice warrior ideologues, is fueling a backlash by older generations who studied, worked hard, obtained useful college degrees, repaid their student loans, and didn’t use race, gender, or micro-aggressions as excuses when they failed. College campuses, which once championed free speech and free thought, have now become bastions of censorship, left wing ideology, suppression of opinion, shouting down of dissent, thought control, and subduing the rights of the majority for the benefit of an outraged minority who resort to violent rhetoric to achieve their outcomes.

Institutions of higher education have become nothing more than glorified daycare centers for kids who never grew up, learned personal responsibility, or developed critical thinking skills. The feckless college faculty and administrators have allowed financial considerations to override learning, as the curriculum has been dumbed down to meet the degraded capabilities of their high self-esteem/low intelligence students. The reality of an increasingly brutal economic environment and high likelihood of war is about to crash headlong into the coddled, pampered, parent protected, iGadget, facebook worlds of millions of millennials.

They will be nothing but cannon fodder for the Deep State unless they develop a backbone, start thinking critically about what is happening in this world, start dealing with reality, stop trusting the government to save them, and make a stand against the corporate fascist tyranny consuming our nation. The Peter Pan Syndrome, where people with the body of an adult but the mind of a child, increasingly dominate the landscape, as a larger number of supposed adults exhibit emotionally immature behaviors. The self-neutering of young men is the result of twelve years of feminist social engineering in government controlled public schools. The wussificiation is complete.

The combination of social justice warriors, pushing agendas completely out of step with mainstream Americans, and a dying legacy media providing infotainment disguised as news, fuels further cultural distress from coast to coast. With liberalism rampant and dominant on the coasts and conservatism governing the heartland, the cultural divide in the country is a gaping chasm. Average Americans trying to live their lives, pay their bills, and raise families have no strong opinions about gay marriage, men dressing like women, or other deviant behavior performed by consenting adults in the privacy of their own households. But when the liberal media, social justice warriors, and Hollywood elites shove the “right” to gay marriage, the crucifying of people for their religious beliefs, the “courage” of a man pretending to be a woman, and the glorification of abhorrent behavior, down the throats of Americans trying to mind their own business, an unforeseen backlash is inevitable.

The war on the traditional family unit, white males, societal norms, common decency, and community standards has gone too far and the pushback from common decent middle class folks has begun. It is a proven fact that households with married parents are on average wealthier, raise kids who do better in school, can withstand economic setbacks better, and have been the backbone of this country since its inception. The feminist belief that women can raise children without men has proven to be a disaster.

With the percentage of married households plunging from over 70% in 1970 to under 50% today, an ominous tipping point has been reached. Rather than address this truly disastrous problem, the radical feminists and race baiters carry on their culture wars. The social justice warriors, prodded by the liberal media and agenda driven ideologues, are offended by free speech, white people, men, married couples, religious freedom, having to repay loans, gun owners, capitalism, carbon dioxide, meat, yoga and anyone who dares to disagree with their antagonistic, bombastic, vacuous nonsense.

Shockingly, they aren’t offended by the tattooed, pierced freaks roaming the streets, angry because no one will hire them. They aren’t offended by the millions of willfully ignorant, low class army of lazy Obama voters who feel entitled to free housing, free medical care, free food, free phones, and free education at the expense of the working middle class. They aren’t offended by the 70% of black babies born out of wedlock and black men shirking their responsibilities as fathers. They aren’t offended by the rampant criminality and murder rates in the Democrat controlled urban ghettos, created by the welfare policies implemented over the last 50 years.

They aren’t offended by 93% of black murders being committed by blacks. They aren’t offended by a president droning wedding parties and bombing hospitals, while fighting undeclared wars in foreign lands. They aren’t offended by the widespread Medicare, SSDI, and food stamp fraud, costing taxpayers billions per year. Normal people living normal lives are sick and tired of the hypocritical, hollow horseshit rubbed in their faces by a dying legacy media and agenda driven social networks on a daily basis. The foolishness and lunacy of these feckless feeble minded warriors against normalcy will be exposed when confronted by the harsh reality of a Fourth Turning.

The rise of Donald Trump and Ben Carson in the early polls for Republican presidential candidate is being fueled by a rising anger and discontent with the corporate media promoting offensive social agendas, the flaunting of the Constitution by a president ruling by executive order, a GOP establishment corrupted by power and unanswerable to their constituents, the disinterest of politicians in both parties in securing our porous southern borders from foreign invasion by illegal hordes. Now the repercussions of Obama ignoring the threats of Islamic extremism and allowing tens of thousands of undocumented Syrian refugees to flood into the country immediately overwhelming our insolvent welfare system and refusing to assimilate into our culture as they worship at mosques where they are taught to hate everything about American culture, is further fueling a political backlash.

As Aldous Huxley realized six decades ago, the truth is unimportant to those controlling the “free” press and shallow distractions will keep the masses occupied while the controllers achieve their goals.

“In regard to propaganda the early advocates of universal literacy and a free press envisaged only two possibilities: the propaganda might be true, or it might be false. They did not foresee what in fact has happened, above all in our Western capitalist democracies — the development of a vast mass communications industry, concerned in the main neither with the true nor the false, but with the unreal, the more or less totally irrelevant. In a word, they failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” Aldous Huxley, 1958, in the article The Capitalist Free Press

The media will use their standard propaganda techniques of showing crying women and children to tug at the heartstrings of a naïve, unaware populace to allow refugees from a conflict created by the U.S. in Syria to come into our country. You know the tired rhetoric – give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. But this is a Fourth Turning where the harsh reality crashes headlong into rhetoric, memes, and storylines.

Whether the U.S. government is responsible or not for creating the wave of Islamic radicals practicing their warped religious beliefs across the globe by committing murder against innocent people, the fact remains that only Muslims are waging this war against non-believers. There are no Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists spreading their religious beliefs by committing acts of terror or waging war. A religious war is brewing and the consequences will be far reaching and bloody for those practicing Islam. There may be only a small minority of radical jihadists, but the silence of the majority speaks volumes to non-Muslims around the world.

As this Fourth Turning continues to intensify, the bowing down to political correctness and agendas of social justice warrior bigots by traditional minded Americans is going to stop. The pushback may be violent, as the aggressive tactics of these free speech hating fascists is met with armed confrontation they aren’t anticipating. These “warriors” aren’t exactly the Hero generation who did the heavy lifting during the last Fourth Turning. Privileged, entitled, ignorant millennials bullying weak kneed college professors and milquetoast administrators on the campuses of liberal arts colleges isn’t exactly storming the beaches of Normandy or battling through the jungles on Guadalcanal.

When confronted with Americans who have seen their standard of living falling for the last twenty five years and are sick and tired of hearing drivel about white privilege, black lives matter, safe spaces, gay and transgender “rights”, micro-aggressions, rape culture, misogyny, $15 minimum wage, and a myriad of other offenses against feminism, these easily offended “warriors” will piss their pants. These trivialities will seem so quaint when they are confronted with an angry guy with a gun on the streets or when they are told to report for duty as we wage war with Russia and China. The foolishness of the culture wars will become strikingly apparent when economic collapse and life or death choices confront our special snowflake generation.

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Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 12:48 am

It doesn’t really matter… I had forgotten why I quit reading ZH comments. Now I remember.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 12:48 am

Mags, I have often protested that a real troll seeks a fight and to end the conversation, those few of us known as trolls here usually are screwing around. I don’t believe BW is serious and bb is just bb.

DP is well known here and maybe Stuck can fill you in on the gossip. His comments are unworthy of being repeated here. Please to not do that again.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 12:53 am

If only S&H had included a prediction that Jesus would return during one of any fourth turnings, Stuck would have devoured the book.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 12:57 am

ahem.. in all honestly I did NOT repeat HIS comments at all, only those who were annoyed with him.

By the way, EC… you have Suzanna waiting in the next 4th turning article. She wants to tell you how sweet you are.

Dave
Dave
November 30, 2015 6:27 am

How bad will the inevitable dollar/banking collapse be?
Who knows?, But I’m buying more & more ammo.
The truly horrific outcome may involve a war that makes the worst economic collapse look tame by comparison (think of a couple EMP’s sending us back to the 1800’s).
Food, guns (mil pattern, high capacity), lots of ammo and water purification are the only insurance against being turned into a helpless lamb forced into the slaughter house.

Tim
Tim
November 30, 2015 6:31 am

Maggie –

David Pierre holds the dubious honor of being one of the only people that Jim has ever banned from TBP. Jim is staunchly a first amendment advocate, allowing free speech in all of its’ good and bad sides, allowing even the douchebaggery you’ve witnessed.

I’ve been around this blog for a long time. I remember Smokey and the barbed wire reference, AWD and his fat girls, “He should have ducked” etc but David Pierre was even before my time here. I think maybe he was a regular on a previous incantation of TBP, when it was a sub-set of another blog. (I think)

I’m not sure what David Pierre’s specific sin was, but I know he’s often referenced as a 9-11 truther so maybe he went ape-shit crazy during a 9-11 thread.

Anyway, that’s the brief history that I know. David Pierre is a nut-job who was one of the only few people ever banned from TBP. Apparently, he still holds a grudge.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 8:21 am

@Tim, well, I surmised there was a past association gone sour and I think the term “bat shit” crazy applies because for a good amount of time and space, he diligently sat there and lambasted Admin whenever someone seemed to agree. I actually reactivated my account at one point to insert my opinion and then realized I was planning to get an idiot to listen to MY reasoning?

Um, no… have put enough targets on myself to learn to pick my battles more wisely than that.

Thanks for the summary.

Rise Up
Rise Up
November 30, 2015 10:44 am

Administrator says: “We saw the final chapter of the Hunger Games last week. Very grim. I loved it. :)”
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The wife and I wanted to see “Spotlight”, not because I’m enthralled with the Catholic church transgressions with young boys but because it has a great cast (I’m a big fan of Michael Keaton–he was superb in “Birdman”). Anyway, for some reason the theater began Spotlight 10 minutes early and they told us at the ticket collector AFTER we had bought tickets. We complained and asked for the manager and she allowed us to see an alternate movie AND gave us 2 complimentary passes for a future movie. We ended up seeing the Hunger Games but I wasn’t too thrilled by it. Hokey ending.

Homer
Homer
November 30, 2015 2:41 pm

Admin–Damn it why don’t you tell us what you really think? heh, heh!

If one wants to destroy the good ole USA, first destroy the money and second destroy the culture. Destroying the culture of America is the what we are seeing around us today. Government edicts, Supreme Court edicts, the World Counsel of Churches, Catholic liberalism, Hollywood’s portrayal of sex, war and violence, and Ultra Liberal Universities. An attack on culture. Culture is nothing more than a societal belief system. Progressives want to destroy the existing belief system and replace it with their own belief system, not thru reason as to the best system of beliefs, but thru force. Remember that idiot progressive woman professor ranting in front of the camera on the Mizzou campus trying to obstruct camera news coverage. Ya! You think that these people hold the same beliefs as you? In the position of power these people are dangerous. Think Hitler. …And like Hitler, these people are wedded to the lie. The Ends justify the Means. A Procrustean Bed of equality and justice.

You are at war and you better realize it. You are truly on the battle lines and must bring to light the error of Progressive thinking or they will capture the mind of America as Hitler did with the mind of Germany to the same disastrous end. Man goes crazy in groups and slowly regains their sanity, one by one.

Maggie and suzana–You may well use all that TP because when the collapse comes you may be sh*tting up a storm.

Maggie and suzana–have you given any thought to idea that you may be, what we in psychology call, Anally Retentive? hmmmm

Homer
Homer
November 30, 2015 2:50 pm

The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs is that the kept their culture which was centered upon Judaism. Culture-ism is the passing of Ideals down from the older generation to the younger generation. Ideals that have served humanity thru the ages.

What is the culture of Jews, of Christians, Americans and France? What is the culture of Muslims? Is there a working compatibility among these various cultures? Is there Ideals that they all hold in common?

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
November 30, 2015 3:20 pm

Shitballs uh mercy Maggie, you just derailed the whole conversation. Sometimes I think you mean well but yer mongoloidish tendencies just screw it all ter hell and where yer trying ter make uh soufle yer just crappin out a turdburger.
Other times I think you must be a government paid troll, using a ‘stupid is as stupid does’ type approach ter derailing what would otherwise be an awesome world changin convo. I hope yer happy with yerself either way.

Homer
Homer
November 30, 2015 3:41 pm

In line with my thoughts, James Howard Kunstler has the following article-“The Story Line Dissolves”.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-the-story-line-dissolves.aspx?article=7787303436H11690&redirect=false&contributor=James+Howard+Kunstler

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 3:54 pm

Billah’s wife says: I hope yer happy with yerself either way.

That’s the spirit, BW, no need to totally demoralize anybody. We have really gotten involved with your personal ailments, you never derailed any threads with you fissures and tectonic movements. You prepped up yet?

Stucky
Stucky
November 30, 2015 4:01 pm

“The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs ….” —– Homer

You might want to google Jewish history. You might discover they’ve been around a bit longer than 2000 years.

Robert
Robert
November 30, 2015 4:23 pm

Jim, you raise lots of interesting points. I’m fascinated by the phenomena you document and your “turnings” perspective on analyzing what is going on. Unfortunately, you have an almost collectivist, top-down, “conspiracy theory,” view of how things work. Your writing still seems to be written as if you believe that what is happening in the world is something “they” are doing to “us.” You seem unwilling to embrace the idea that it is not the 0.01% who are the true source of the problem, just as it is not the producers who control the market but the consumer. We have the problems we do because the 99% are too afraid to consider any alternative to being ruled by kings and aristocrats, no matter what we call them. If that were not the case there would be nothing that the “0.01%” could do to maintain their thievery. The biggest threat these people fear is competition. The biggest threat that “the 99%” seem to perceive is their individualism and ultimately, their own existence. The only true problem with “the 0.01%” is that they are exceptionally good at giving most of the rest of humanity what they really want, despite how much the latter claim that they hate it. Do they? Really? No, they don’t.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 4:45 pm

—Homer says:

“The reason that the Jews survived for 2000 yrs is that the kept their culture which was centered upon Judaism.”

Stucky handled that one succinctly.

Now, the main event: “Culture-ism is the passing of Ideals down from the older generation to the younger generation. Ideals that have served humanity thru the ages.”

Did you just make this up and think you were being clever? What you are calling “Culture-ism,” HomerSimpson’s dimwitted twin, is SOCIALIZATION and it involves a LOT more than the passing of moral beliefs, aka “ideals.” Unless, as I suspect, you semi-illiterate pretentious lout with your “hardeharhar” joke tossed at the “girls” for their TP fetish, when I doubt that you even truly know what ANAL RETENTIVE actually means. I told my very intelligent son that he is such a whiz with programming and circuit logic because he is ANAL RETENTIVE and he simply said “Thank you Mom” and continued to reload photoshop onto my laptop for the second time this fall because, unlike him, I am NOT ANAL RETENTIVE.

Now, back to your idiotic use of the term Culture-ism and then your even worse attempt to LECTURE TBPers as to what it means (when you were WRONG!). Culture-ism is the new, improved way of explaining the way a certain “culture” or “community” of people view certain types of behavior. Now, if you have some strange idea (notice there is NOT AN “l” on the end to signify that I am suggesting you have a presupposed standard or “ideal”) that humanity has been served as a whole by distinct cultural ideals being passed down from one generation to the next without any interaction of other IDEAS, to include concepts, theories, skills, values, and YES, ideals, because ideas include BELIEFS, principles and standards within society, so IDEALS are part of what are passed during socialization in the body of ideas society transfers to the next generation.

Now, Homer, in response to your insulting “Maggie and suzana–have you given any thought to idea that you may be, what we in psychology call, Anally Retentive? hmmmm” I will flat out tell you that you are, in my opinion, what we in the TBP world where we eat self-aggrandizing snits like you for breakfast and use TP to wipe what is anally retained after we dispose of what could not be digested and flush it all away.

I suspect that “what we in psychology” really says is this: Mom has a few self-help books in the basement that she bought over the years to figure out how to get my sorry ass out of her house and I read a couple of chapters and think I’m smarter than I really am.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 4:50 pm

And Suzanna… yeah, I’m sweet until I’m not.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
November 30, 2015 4:55 pm

Good gawd Maggie, why do you always have to dog pile Admen with a long ass pointless rambling unreadable piece uh donkey doo? Leave this thread alone! We’re almost ter 200!

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 5:00 pm

BW, go smoke another fag.

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Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 5:11 pm

Admin… did you ever study or read any of the writings by George Miller in the 1950s on Psychology and Communication? I came across his body of writing when i was a journalism student, trying to make sense of what was going on in the “J” school I attended. It was obvious to me that the professors could not possible really believe what they were claiming to believe, so I started looking a little further back into the people who would have taught THEM.

I don’t think Miller would have approved of how I USED his articles. (Haha… I used them against my professors, you might say, to convince them that what they declared to be true just might not be true after all.)

There is a certain branch of communication dedicated to studying and learning everything they can about how to convince people without even presenting an argument. Subliminal messages are part of it, but it is MUCH more involved than that.

It is not a “good” read and perhaps a summary of his ideas would suffice, but I wondered if you were familiar with Miller’s body of work.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 7:08 pm

I will be very selective and summarize some points of his and explain why I think it is relevant. I’ll submit it in a day or so for your consideration.

Here’s a link to one paper available online. I don’t recommend READING the psychobabble, but he did learn a lot about how to manipulate interpretation of information, I believe, and I think he passed that on.

http://www.musanim.com/miller1956/
The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two: Some Limits on Our Capacity for Processing Information
An excerpt from the intro: My problem is that I have been persecuted by an integer. For seven years this number has followed me around, has intruded in my most private data, and has assaulted me from the pages of our most public journals. This number assumes a variety of disguises, being sometimes a little larger and sometimes a little smaller than usual, but never changing so much as to be unrecognizable. The persistence with which this number plagues me is far more than a random accident. There is, to quote a famous senator, a design behind it, some pattern governing its appearances. Either there really is something unusual about the number or else I am suffering from delusions of persecution.

I shall begin my case history by telling you about some experiments that tested how accurately people can assign numbers to the magnitudes of various aspects of a stimulus. In the traditional language of psychology these would be called experiments in absolute judgment. Historical accident, however, has decreed that they should have another name. We now call them experiments on the capacity of people to transmit information. Since these experiments would not have been done without the appearance of information theory on the psychological scene, and since the results are analyzed in terms of the concepts of information theory, I shall have to preface my discussion with a few remarks about this theory.

NoOneOfConsequence
NoOneOfConsequence
November 30, 2015 7:58 pm

This article, and pretty much all others on this site sums up all the problems in the world. It’s people who write and read this bigoted, ignorant trash that are ruining the planet.

Your negative, bigoted, and naive commentary reveals the depth of your ignorance.

Why bother with life? I mean really….aren’t you just wasting somebody else’s oxygen who is useful and participates in the growth of this great world?

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 8:06 pm

NOOC… you sure picked a good name.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
November 30, 2015 8:35 pm

Maggie

By ‘go smoke another fag’ are you tryin ter introduce me in some terrible terrible way ter yer son?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 9:24 pm

BW, I think she meant NOOC.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 9:41 pm

Thanks for the “help” EC, but I actually meant BW. I like the photo my son found of her/it posted in the mens’ room of the truck stop on our last trip to take him back to school.You know, the trip when I was stopped for speeding.

Anyway, I think that the increased traffic on the blog signals that Admin’s articles are getting a LOT of attention AND that more and more people are forced to admit that we really aren’t in Kansas any more. Just wondering why don’t you make more serious comments. It has become apparent to me that you are not the idiot I once believed you to be.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 9:45 pm

(am on the “other” computer to download Bracken’s most excellent articles and set up the download for the Kindle.)

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 9:46 pm

EC… let’s see if we can’t get you a 200 post.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 10:09 pm

@Maggie, BW is smarter than I am, bb is more sincere and quite restrained. In a blog full of smart folks, we will appear dumb but we are way too smart for ZH. We three seem to have inherited the job of the hounds of hell. Those folks would tear a newbie’s guts out for fun. Nowadays, we just nip at their heels and they either straighten up their act or they go away mad.

I referred you to the Calamity incident a few days ago. That was painful to watch, a newbie gored to near death for relatively minor sins. You might look that up, it happened sometime in April of 2012.

Nearly everybody here is battle scarred, tested and anally probed at least once. Except BW, nobody wants to probe that. Actually, I believe BW is an insurgent that never got over the butthurt from the Billy goatfuck, that was a nasty battle royale.

I have posted some serious stuff over time but that’s only when I get pissed and I don’t like to be pissed off.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 10:30 pm

Good enough. I just wondered. I sometimes think I recognize “who” BW must be, but then I doubt myself. And, I realize it really does NOT MATTER because anyone choosing that persona to inflict their insults and nasty banter/trolling is better off left to their own devices most of the time. And I do that now, having learned that the less response the better.

Most of the time.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
November 30, 2015 10:52 pm

Maggie,

Let me try ter spell it out on a 4th grade level, so go git yer gooberized offspring ter come interpret: These is perilous times. We’re all here tryin ter figure what the shit-turkey’s going on in the world, and we’re all disciples of Admenstruater and his particular take on the conflagration that is about ter envelope ever one of our God fer saken lives.

But you want ter talk TP and bullshit cockamamie about cops takin apple pie in a jar bribes er some other totally unbelievably random observation from yer day ter day. See the difference? Now yer constantly harassing me fer no reason and like Rambo I say, ‘bring it on’. I’m gonner eat you like El Coyote eats menudo, so git yer granny panties out of a wad and git ready fer uh full on interlectually devastatin ass kickin of the first degree.

suzanna
suzanna
November 30, 2015 10:56 pm

Maggie,
The art of persuasion…the branch/remember?

suzanna
suzanna
November 30, 2015 10:58 pm

BTW,
ZH comments are snarky….I think I said that B4.

7 comments more = 200

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 11:13 pm

Suzanna, did you see that gm and I actually discussed soup?
On another post…

FOURTH TURNING – POLITICIANS DRIVING THE WORLD TOWARDS WAR

Usually I just do not feed the trolls. However, like everyone, I grow weary of the nonsense.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 11:17 pm

@EC… you get your post ready and try to beat the troll to the mountain, pal.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 11:29 pm

Admin, if you are “around” I just got an email from one of the Family of Families members in Oklahoma. She wondered if I still listen to Glenn Beck. (The answer is no… not in years, but a great number of the group were Tea Party/912 member based folks, so they listened and discussed him all the time.)

Anyway, today on his “subscription” only program? He presented his understanding of the Four Turnings, on his blackboard with little notes and advised everyone to buy the book and read it so they could get a good grasp of what is coming.

Here is her message she sent when I asked if she could summarize his show:

He talked about the caliphate and played a tape of ISIS and explained their motivation to bring on Armageddon. He believes we have already entered WW3. Talked about the Feds meeting this morning to talk about adding the yuan to the world currency and he explained what he believes that means. He kinda let it all hang out in a politically incorrect way. [I have no idea what this might mean and am not asking.] I only hear/see the first 30 min. while I am driving in to work. It is so hard to turn it off when I get there. He irecommends we read a book called “the fourth turning”. And is using chalk board to teach on the “every 80 years cycle” of the world and how where in that cycle you are born dictates what your role is in these last days. It is hard for me to grasp and is fascinating teaching. Anyway, I am buying the fourth turning book and will let you know what I think.

I have never had the Glenn Beckitis that a lot of the FF members had, ,but is this an interesting development?

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 11:42 pm

Susanna or Suzanna? This is a blog. Admin posts articles and people comment and share ideas and information.

Snarks are everywhere. And the crazy, crazy thing about having some lowlife loser stalking me here on this blog and then claiming that I am the agressor is this:

I have other things to do and I do them most of the time. It has been raining a lot this week, so have been here a bit more than usual.

I await my “interlectural” ass whipping from someone who hides behind a moniker designed to throw insults at someone who obviously has not only more of a life, but more character and background to base a future on.

The sun should break through tomorrow and i can return to my projects.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 11:47 pm

@Maggie, I never watched glenn beck or any of those FOX/CNN dudes. But I have this idea that when a speaker begins ‘teaching’ from a whiteboard, I think I’m watching Pastor Gene Scott extemporizing on some obscure squiggle of scripture.

Such teachers always suggest there is more to come in the next show and they never give an indication that they are out of material.

Admin has poured out his soul, so to speak and has not been so coy to suggest there is more to come if you only tune in next week after you send in a generous donation. Yet, you say Glenn is doing a subscription show teaching the same stuff folks could get for free here.

Some fuckers just love to swindle the other passengers on the Titanic.

Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2015 11:50 pm

EC… kind of how I feel too, but the 912ers and Tea Partyers LOVED him in 2008 and he was a driving force for a long time. I guess he still is, but not for me/us.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2015 11:55 pm

Be strong, Maggie. I’m looking forward to the interlectual fireballs thrown at you, if only for curiosity’s sake. Surely they will be devastating. BW claimed to have whipped Sensetti’s ass. That takes balls which by definition, BW ought not to have. We shall all be surprised when BW comes out – a la Caitlyn – that is the lone cliff hanger keeping me on pins and needles.

BTW, if not for our truce, Maggie: I too am a troll, so I think I’ll let BW have this 200.

suzanna
suzanna
November 30, 2015 11:57 pm

Maggie, Oh my gosh…you did have recipes!

Yes, by all means add dill to the beans.
That is quite a stove/winter project. Good luck.

I just finished up getting stock made from my neighbor’s
turkey carcass. I share it with her 50/50 plus the bits of meat
for the dogs. Long process, but worth the trouble.

Glenn Beck. Icky. GB copied JQ.

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2015 12:15 am

@Suzanna… is kind of what I figured about GB. GB’s “writers” heard Limbaugh comment about an article here at TBP and scoped it out, discovered the driving philosophy/theory/whatever and coopted it.

He also mentioned, by the way, that he was thinking about running for president in 8 years. Beck. No kidding. Sounds GREAT.

@EC.. Let him/it have the 200? You done got it.

Have a nice day. I’ll be quaking in my boots, worried about my interlectural ass stomping.

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2015 12:25 am

??? “Let” BW have it? What are you talking about. you OWN 200.

susanna
susanna
December 1, 2015 10:34 am

People,
everyone finally went to bed!
EC got 200!

I have realized BW is a jokester/jouster…
must be difficult to reedddddddddddddde oh-oh
x cat is crossing the key board again!
Remain in character,,,I was trying to say.
Pouring rain…can not work outside.
Will drive to down…get more TP.

Suzanna

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2015 11:02 am

Suzanna/Susanna,

I sincerely hope that BW realizes that YOU are much more annoying to him than I will ever be. I hope that he/she/IT pours out all his/her/ITS interlectural wrath on YOU because obviously, you don’t understand just how profoundly powerful he/she/IT is.

And, I hope that you and I continue to share recipes and anecdotal stories about sales on TP.

In older posts like this one, though… I do indeed avoid rambling too much in the new posts. The blog is getting really popular and we want as many to understand the philosophy of the Fourth Turning Crises as possible without drawing them into our little shitfest with BW.

Which is why I need the TP…

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
December 1, 2015 6:23 pm

Maggie

Can we just call uh truce here or what? Here’s mah one absolutely non negotiable though. You have ter admit the story about the fat cop was a total fabrication farted up from somewheres in yer imagination. Can you do that for me hon? Dont make me give yer the Sensetti treatment. I don’t want ter fight no more. Let’s be friends.

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2015 7:06 pm

I will be happy to call a truce, but I was stopped for speeding by a chubby cop whose partner stood at my back fender unbeknownst to me. When he asked what was in the cooler and I blurted out empty jars, he wanted to look in the cooler.

Since I carry a loaded 38 revolver in my car, I decided it was best to comply. I’d forgotten that in the cooler was a half-pint jar of my special apple pie filling and when he picked it up and asked what it was, I offered it to him. Since he didn’t give me a ticket, I didn’t get his name, but for the life of me, WHY you think I would waste my time making up this boring ass story when I could have claimed he did a lot more interesting things than insist on looking in a 53 year old mother’s cooler to see if I was hauling something other than jars is beyond me.

As for the Sensetti treatment, I don’t know what that is, but I’m sure I would survive. He seems to be just fine.

Truce would be better than not one, but I’m not going to say the cop story was a fabrication because WHY THE HELL WOULD IT BE?

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2015 7:36 pm

Besides, that new gal Suzanna/Susanna? She looks mighty suspicious… I think you should keep your keen eye on her.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
December 1, 2015 9:09 pm

Ok, Maggie. You win. Have a good evening.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
December 1, 2015 9:22 pm

Maggie and BW will soon be trading squirrel soup gumbo recipes.