GREY CHAMPION ASSUMES COMMAND (PART ONE)

At each of these great gates of history, eighty to a hundred years apart, a similar generational drama unfolded. Four archetypes, aligned in the same order – elder Prophet, midlife Nomad, young adult Hero, child Artist – together produced the most enduring legends in our history. Each time the Grey Champion appeared marked the arrival of a moment of “darkness, and adversity, and peril,” the climax of the Fourth Turning of the saeculum.The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

In September 2015 I wrote a five part article called Fourth Turning: Crisis of Trust. In Part 2 of that article I pondered who might emerge as the Grey Champion, leading the country during the second half of this Fourth Turning Crisis. I had the above pictures of Franklin, Lincoln, and FDR, along with a flaming question mark. The question has been answered. Donald J. Trump is the Grey Champion.

When I wrote that article, only one GOP debate had taken place. There were eleven more to go. Trump was viewed by the establishment as a joke, ridiculed by the propaganda media, and disdained by the GOP and Democrats. I was still skeptical of his seriousness and desire to go the distance, but I attempted to view his candidacy through the lens of the Fourth Turning. I was convinced the mood of the country turning against the establishment could lead to his elevation to the presidency. I was definitely in the minority at the time:

Until three months ago the 2016 presidential election was in control of the establishment. The Party was putting forth their chosen crony capitalist figureheads – Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They are hand-picked known controllable entities who will not upset the existing corrupt system. They are equally acceptable to Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the military industrial complex, the sickcare industry, mega-corporate America, the moneyed interests, and the never changing government apparatchiks. The one party system is designed to give the appearance of choice, while in reality there is no difference between the policies of the two heads of one party and their candidate products. But now Donald Trump has stormed onto the scene from the reality TV world to tell the establishment – You’re Fired!!!

The linear thinking supporters of the status quo are flabbergasted and outraged by Trump’s popularity. The ruling classes never anticipate the mood shift of the peasants as they look down on the masses from their gated estates and penthouse suites. The country is looking for someone who can tear down the entire fetid, corrupt, rotting structure. The onset of phase two of this Crisis in 2016 will produce a populace more desperate, less trusting of the establishment and likely to turn towards someone like Trump, in despair. – Fourth Turning – Crisis of Trust (Part Two)

Strauss and Howe wrote their prophetic tome two decades ago. Their prognostications have played out exactly as they prophesied. They did not know which events or which people would catalyze this Fourth Turning. But they knew the mood change in the country would be driven by the predictable generational alignment which occurs every eighty years. Our regeneracy is now solidly under way.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

Linear thinking pundits, politicians, businessmen, bankers, bureaucrats, and citizens fail to grasp the cyclical nature of history. They think themselves progressives, falsely believing humanity and history move forward in a straight line. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is why they throw hissy fits when their predictions and beliefs are thrown into disarray by events and mood changes in the country.

The linear thinking establishment is losing their proverbial minds over Trump’s landslide electoral victory, they never saw coming. They’re flabbergasted, angry, and living in denial as history tracks a path it travels every eighty years or so. As the Greatest Generation departs this earth, there are few left who lived through the last Fourth Turning. That’s why the living generations are always surprised when another predictable crisis arrives. We never seem to learn the lessons of history.

Perpetual progress is a myth. Average American households haven’t seen economic progress in decades. Education continues to deteriorate, as the young become progressively dumber. Well-paying goods producing jobs have been shipped overseas, replaced by low paying, no benefits service jobs. Government is corrupt, inept, and discredited. Our culture is degraded, decadent, depraved, and despoiled.

Progress has devolved into regression. We’ve entered our saecular Winter and there is no turning back. It arrived with ferocious blizzard like conditions in 2008, and had been in a debt induced lull until this election. A bitter fierce wind has begun to whip across the plains and black swirling clouds portend a tempestuous future. As the gathering storm looms, the Grey Champion appears on the mountaintop.

“Americans have always been blind to the next turning until after it fully arrives.

Most of today’s adult Americans grew up in a society whose citizens dreamed of perpetually improving outcomes: better jobs, fatter wallets, stronger government, finer culture, nicer families, smarter kids, all the usual fruits of progress. Today, deep into the Third Turning, these goals feel like they are slipping away. Many of us wish we could rewind time, but we know we can’t – and we fear for our children and grandchildren.

Many Americans wish that, somehow, they could bring back a saecular spring now. But seasons don’t work that way. As in nature, a saecular autumn can be warm or cool, long or short, but the leaves will surely fall. The saecular winter can hurry or wait, but history warns that it will surely be upon us.

We may not wish the Grey Champion to come again – but come he must, and come he will.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump.

In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this current Fourth Turning. The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.

The Grey Champion or Champions are Prophet Generation leaders who command respect due to their age, attitude and warlike demeanor. They were born shortly after the previous Great War Crisis and became the narcissistic young crusaders during the Awakening, driven achievers during the midlife Unraveling, and principled moralists summoning great deeds during the next Crisis.

They tend to inspire through their words and rhetoric, rather than through grand deeds. They are human beings, and as with all humans, they exhibit both positive and negative traits. Prominent positive traits include being principled, resolute and creative. Detrimental traits include being narcissistic, presumptuous, and ruthless. The Grey Champion arrives when the situation looks grim and the people need a jolt of courage to meet the frightful challenges ahead.

One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.” – The Fourth Turning Strauss & Howe

The old man has appeared again. Just as he appeared eighty years after the glorious revolution behind the breastworks on Bunker Hill, providing spiritual inspiration to the farmer militia. The greying peer of Samuel Adams and Ben Franklin was just playing his role in the generational alignment which occurs every eighty years like clockwork. As the hour of darkness, adversity and peril arrives, the virtuous, fiery and unrepentant Gray Champion(s) appear through the fog of history like an apparition.

As the clock counted down to 1860, seventy-nine years after the climax of the previous Crisis, ideologues, warriors and righteous politician Grey Champions like John Brown, William Tecumseh Sherman, Robert E. Lee and Abraham Lincoln stepped into the breach, as the terrible swift sword felled over 700,000 citizens.

Seven decades later as financial markets collapsed, the world sank into a global depression, with world war just over the horizon, a moralistic no-nonsense prophet generation leader arose to lead his nation towards their rendezvous with destiny. As ancestral generations entered the constellation that reoccurs every eighty years, elder warriors FDR, Douglas MacArthur, and Winston Churchill appeared to revive the spirits of their countrymen and fight the scourge of fascism.

No one can make the argument these three Crisis leaders were likeable. In fact, their personalities were grating and they were detested by friends and foes alike. What they did was ignore protocol, feelings, and minutia, to focus on the only thing that mattered – prevailing at all costs.

The previous two Grey Champion leaders – Lincoln and Roosevelt – are still reviled by many Americans, as they were by millions during their time. Unconstitutional policies and executive actions during the gloomy ambiguous days of the Civil War, Great Depression, and World War II left a long lasting impression on the country and play a major role in our current crisis.  Both centralized power with the Federal government, drastically weakening the power of the states. Both set the country on a path towards increased taxation, spending and waging war.

Lincoln and FDR were elected Grey Champions, but Lincoln only received 39.9% of the popular vote in a four way race, while FDR won in a landslide with 57% of the vote over Hoover. It was clear Lincoln didn’t have a mandate, as Southern states began seceding after his election.  Lincoln’s support in the North was halfhearted at best.

Lincoln captured only 55% of the vote in the 1864 election, with only northern states voting. His cabinet of rivals despised him. They plotted against him, actively opposed his policies, and gloried in his failures. After four grim years of slaughter and failure, he was assassinated just as his armies’ attained victory. To this day he is still despised by liberty minded states’ rights proponents.

Even though FDR won landslide popular vote victories in 1932 and 1936, his detractors and adversaries were numerous. FDR’s confiscation of gold, antagonism toward big business, and dictatorial style, convinced a number of wealthy businessmen to approach General Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR and install a fascist regime to run the country. His New Deal “make work” projects and socialist policies were widely scorned by free market capitalists, as they prolonged the Great Depression.

No one can assert Lincoln or FDR united all Americans in a common cause. Grey Champions are not universally adored or defended. They aggravated societal pressures that had been ignored or deferred by their predecessors. Compromise was not an alternative for these men. They were going to lead in a confrontational style suited to the times, using unyielding principles to vanquish their enemies. Grey Champions have a particular set of personality traits making them well suited to lead during a Crisis. They have the facility to overlook the complexities of life and focus on one simple imperative: society must prevail.

In Part Two of this article I will assess the prospects of success for our new Grey Champion – Donald J. Trump and why this Fourth Turning is about to turn nasty.

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Mark
Mark
November 19, 2016 8:09 pm

So after you and Stucky . And a whole lot of TBP gave me thumbs downs for being the first to suggest that someone like Trump needs to run for president you’ve changed your tune?

Come on you know you all know you originally gave someone a lot of thumbs down. Admit it.

tampa red
tampa red
November 19, 2016 8:29 pm

I’ve only heard about this Fourth Turning since I have been on TBP,which is only a few months.However,would there have been a Turning if Lincoln had not been so aggressive against the Southern states?

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Administrator
November 20, 2016 8:02 pm

Jim, I love these 4th turning articles. I think Neil Howe (and the late William Strauss) should start giving some of the “4th Turning” book royalties to you! You are such a good advocate of their work.

MetaCynic
MetaCynic
  Administrator
November 21, 2016 2:58 am

How far back in history have 4th Turnings been identified and studied? I presume that they also don’t apply only to America. Has anyone pinpointed 4th Turnings for other major nations? It seems to me that 4th Turnings need not be inevitable. Lincoln could simply have let the southern states secede. If he did, what other crisis could have filled the vacuum? Same with Roosevelt. Both he and his predecessor, Hoover, could have halted the depression simply by doing nothing, because that’s precisely what was needed – nothing!

It could be argued that Lincoln’s war and policy of centralization created conditions which made FDR inevitable. And FDR’s policies of both domestic and foreign intervention created long term economic and social instability which created conditions that made Trump inevitable.

Gator
Gator
  tampa red
November 19, 2016 10:41 pm

A great question. Im on the fence about the whole ‘fourth turning’ idea, but the cycles do seem to line up. And either way, the fourth turning series was great, and I enjoy reading about the idea. Apparently America gets really stupid about every 80 years or so and needs to nearly destroy itself and start over.

I don’t like the idea of trump as the grey champion mainly because I kinda want to like him, and I absolutely despise the last two who were identified. On my personal list of worst presidents in history, Lincoln is my #1, FDR is my #3. (Wilson is #2, in case anyone cares). I really don’t want to add Trump to that list, especially since I voted for him.

tampa red
tampa red
  Gator
November 20, 2016 12:13 am

Sometimes we need to give the devil his due.I despise FDR’s domestic policies.
However,I believe that FDR was a good war president & more importantly he recognized the evil & threat that Hitler posed to the world.
My grandfather would have agreed with you.When I was a kid I’d sometimes be shipped out to Oklahoma to spend the summer working on his ranch.Other than damn or hell he rarely cursed.
Once when I was in my mid teens the subject of FDR came up when a bunch of old guys were sitting around chewing the fat. Gramps hated FDR.It was the 1st time I ever heard a white adult use the mf word.

Gator
Gator
  tampa red
November 20, 2016 11:49 pm

WWII was entirely unneccessary and brought about from the US’s involvement in WWI. FDR manipulated us into that war, using Japan as a backdoor way to do what he wanted – enter the war to help England. He purposely ignored several Japanese attempts at reconciliation and peace in the months before Pearl Harbor, wanting them to attack us, which they did. That senseless slaughter of Americans never should have happened. The founding fathers had it right when they advocated peaceful relations and trade with all, entangling alliances with none. We have ignored that advice to our detriment. You should grab a book by Ralph Raico, or read his archived articles on lewrockwell.com.

tampa red
tampa red
  Gator
November 21, 2016 12:26 am

The WWI part I agree with you.It was a stupid war & even stupider “peace”terms were imposed upon Germany.
As far as manipulating us into WWII,it may or may not be the case, I’ve never studied it.Even if true,I believe that it was probably worth the cost.Hitler was a threat to the entire world,including us.
By the end of the war he was close to having the bomb.He had fighter jets but they were not yet into production.He had heavy bombers that could make it across the Atlantic & across the southern USA into Mexico or central America where they could refuel and then fly back to Europe.Without us in the war to pressure him and keep him from bringing those weapons into use he and the Japanese would have almost certainly conquered most of the world.
Do you honestly believe that after that he would have left us alone?

DRUD
DRUD
  tampa red
November 21, 2016 11:54 am

The point I believe Gator was making is that without the Treaty of Versailles and the hyper-inflationary collapse of the Weimar Republic that it caused, Hitler never would have risen to power. It is certainly a valid point, however, what might have then replaced the devastation of WWII? Who knows, but it is very doubtful that the world would have just continued peacefully along during the late 30’s and early 40’s, with or without Hitler and the Nazis.

Dude
Dude
  tampa red
November 22, 2016 12:03 pm

Do you honestly believe Hitler was able to accomplish all he did without financial backing from western world fascists? Sure, he was able to plunder neighboring countries of their wealth once he gained military strength. But who provided the financing to enable him to that? Germany, as a result of WWI war reparations was made extremely poor and nearly destitute. Who provided the financing to enable him to rebuilt munitions, aircraft and military equipment factories? Where did he get the huge supplies of fuel necessary to power his war machines? And who really defeated Hitler?

Find those answers here: JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

starfcker
starfcker
  Gator
November 20, 2016 4:25 pm

Gator, Jim nicely sums up why personal preferences don’t matter. Society must prevail at all costs. Trump isn’t idealogical. We aren’t in a moment where ideology is helpful, matter of fact, it’s blinding. Society must prevail at all costs. Certainly, without Lincoln and FDR, we wouldn’t have a United States. Has anybody been more consequential concerning the fate of the country than those two? I’m glad you’re on board, let’s see how it goes.

Homer
Homer
  Gator
November 21, 2016 9:51 am

Yes, yes, yes, Gator, you got that right!

Seeker718
Seeker718
  Gator
December 22, 2016 1:53 am

“Apparently America gets really stupid about every 80 years or so….”

It’s more like each era & each generation has its own brand of stupid — and its own brand of smart. It’s a lot more complex than that, but read their earlier book, Generations, for the full story.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
November 19, 2016 9:03 pm

From the perspective of the past few years I’d argue it’s the failure of leadership or feeling of being leaderless that gives the grey champion power/influence. The soft and pacifist approach doesn’t work when crisis is approaching.

Homer
Homer
  Stephanie Shepard
November 21, 2016 11:21 am

Steph, my millennial babe, I’m depending on you! You are the future.

It’s been said that leadership is nothing more than getting a feeling for the consensus of the people and staying one step ahead of the mob.

The way I see it is that the leaderless feeling is a result of what I call ‘the chaos of conflicting ideologies’. When confronted with ideologies having both good and bad characteristics without a clear philosophical basis whether religious, moral, or cultural, in which to judge those choices, one is left confused and paralyzed into inaction. That’s society and Congress, today. Unable to act, rudderless because no Ideal exists to guide them. Our religious, moral, and cultural heritage is under relentless attack by the Progressive Liberals and have been for over 100 yrs. This attack has been insidious and divisive and destructive for the U.S. as a country. One only need to look at the attack on God, the Constitution, traditional marriage, governance, and a whole range of cultural Ideals.

Trump has promised to ‘make America great, again’. This is an appeal to an earlier ideology that Americans still hold, who see that ideology fading and are desperately trying to return to an earlier status quo that feels comfortable. Of course, being the trouble maker that I am, I always ask the question, “What do you mean by ‘great’, Kemo sahbee?”

The damage to the people caused by the war the Progressive Liberals started needs to be healed. Can Trump apply the salve needed to heal the Nation? He can only be successful if he pulls from his medicine bag the age old remedy, Honesty, Truthfulness, and Honor. Anything less will result in failure.

Trump has been given the choice to become the greatest President, aside from George Washington, that this country has ever seen. I truly hope Trump is the man of the hour.

Brian
Brian
  Homer
November 24, 2016 6:10 pm

Hello Homer,
I would say that an American society with a clear and philosophical bases has never existed, and that neither branch of the same collectivist and globalist Party is better than the other one.
The topics you have mentioned above have been discussed in other EP Autos articles you may have missed. You may find them to be very informative:

The Fix Was In From The Beginning

It Is “Just a Piece of **** Paper”

http://ericpetersautos.com/?s=trump
What is the rational solution?:

But Then We’d Have Anarchy!

Anarchy Works!

Stucky
Stucky
November 19, 2016 9:18 pm

” …. and why this Fourth Turning is about to turn nasty.” ——— Admin

I could have sworn that you had previously said that 4th Turnings could turn out OK or nasty, but one can never know until it happens. Or, something like that. The change is interesting. Can’t wait to read about it.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Stucky
November 19, 2016 9:24 pm

Isn’t it already getting nasty?

I thought the topic of the day shouldn’t have been #BoycottHamilton but about Congressman Davis’ grandson being killed in Chicago over sneakers. No talk of the gun control laws, black on black crime, the failure of Chicago leadership. Nothing.

I think it will get nasty when Trump (I’m predicting) cuts back on welfare benefits. He’s a man who values work.

Gator
Gator
  Stephanie Shepard
November 19, 2016 10:44 pm

I think anyone expecting big cuts to welfare programs under trump are going to be left disappointed. Id love to be wrong(eventually), but I think he has bigger fish to fry first.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stephanie Shepard
November 20, 2016 4:02 am

If memory serves me, there were some real bad riots in France in the mid-90s when the new government proposed to cut welfare benefits. There was not even a VOTE… just a suggestion and the people began protesting and throwing things.

That’s when the shit gets really ugly.

Does it matter
Does it matter
  Stephanie Shepard
November 20, 2016 3:40 pm

Hard work is one thing. Getting a job based on your talents and abilities is another. Cronyism is alive and well.

Homer
Homer
  Stephanie Shepard
November 21, 2016 11:43 am

Steph, welfare is like a narcotic. It has to be withdrawn slowly. Something of greater value needs to take it’s place. Work, self respect???

Stucky
Stucky
  Administrator
November 20, 2016 6:59 am

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the library carries the book, I will read it over this Holiday Season. I promise.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Stucky
November 20, 2016 2:57 pm

Geez, Stucky! You’ve been on this website for years and still haven’t read the book?

Homer
Homer
  Stephanie Shepard
November 21, 2016 11:52 am

Steph, I haven’t read it either. My time on this big blue marble is extremely limited. I can’t spend it reading fiction.

mark branham
mark branham
  Stucky
November 20, 2016 7:04 am

Forth Turnings are always nasty… it’s the outcome that is in doubt. We may exit as a unified, solid nation headed for prosperous times, or without a nation at all.

ottomatik
ottomatik
November 19, 2016 10:22 pm

I have to hand it to you Admin, your Fourth Turning presentations have captivated me since Years of the Modern, and the persience of prognostication has been uncanny. It has become foundational in my analysis and understanding of the geopolitical landscape we live in. Thank you for the wonderful tool. Further, your uncomprimising aherence to principals of liberty and their necessity in guiding us through this Turning are prescisly the moral framework needed. Thanks so much.

Suzanna
Suzanna
November 19, 2016 10:44 pm

The entire welfare society program will have to be rewritten. Nasty will be the
backlash of calling racism, organizing protests (outside $) and the libs
screaming foul. We hear about EBT cards and snap programs but less
about slush fund $ transfers (for emergencies) given by black welfare
doling workers to black welfare takers. A clever hipster with connections
may have several accounts in one state or two. These practices enrage
families with 2 and 3 jobs between them, while at the same time they are
accused and taunted and threatened by the takers. This resentment is growing.
One had thought that all the free $ would at least serve as a bribe to shut the
takers up. The takers class and their neighbors are fed up now as well.
There is another, bigger badder class of takers. White collar crimesters from
the bankers to the insurance companies, big pharma, sick care, gov crooks,
and regulators. There are more. Everyone is on the take. Look at your phone bill.
Workers, the average man, (and woman) are clinging to middle class lifestyles,
but are losing ground. All around us the drumbeat to squash the white middle
class is getting louder. People are getting provoked. People are going to blow
a gasket. It won’t be business as usual.

ed_209
ed_209
  Suzanna
November 19, 2016 11:19 pm

What is it about this site that i like it so much ?
Its like cozy here sometimes imho.
Great article by the way.

Vic
Vic
  ed_209
November 20, 2016 6:07 am

Yeah, it’s comfortable, like sitting around the kitchen table with cups of coffee.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Vic
November 20, 2016 4:57 pm

Yeah but it gets really interesting when someone drops a deuce in the coffee pot!

tampa red
tampa red
  Suzanna
November 19, 2016 11:54 pm

A good,fairly non controversial start would be returning to the principle that single,able bodied males cannot receive any type of welfare,including food stamps.
EBT/SNAP need to immediately be changed back so that junk/snack foods cannot be bought with government $.
Random,unannounced surprise,in home audits need to be conducted.I’m a proud slumlord & I have seen houses where 3 generations of women are receiving a combined $1500-2000/month of food stamp benefits.They get by with it because they use different addresses.I have never been contacted & asked to fill out a Sworn affidavit as to who & how many people occupy one of my houses.
I believe that this would be highly effective.In addition to saving $,when the left protests & riots over this it will show the “open minded”idiots in the middle of the political spectrum who is correct & drive them over to our side.We need those people on our side.Those red maps we all enjoy seeing could turn blue with a relatively small vote change.
And btw,the vast majority of my tenants are white trash.They might steal but they will not work,which is why we still need lots of immigrants,just vetted ones.I’ll take the average Mexican or Guatemalan guy who came here to work & send $ back to his family over the average American who will not work every time.

Anderson
Anderson
  tampa red
November 20, 2016 12:18 am

Tampa,

If you’re a Section 8 landlord then you’re part of the FSA too, so get off your high horse, Buckwheat. Those hardworking Mexicans and Guatemalans also sign up for every gov program in sight. Both you and them are a net loss for the rest of us.

tampa red
tampa red
  Anderson
November 20, 2016 12:49 am

Not true,I have never had a single section 8 tenant,I do not believe in it.Some of my tenants do receive welfare & food stamps but there is nothing I can do about that.I was in the business b4 benefits were so easily available & widespread and I as a landlord & society as a whole are better off without it.
As for the immigrants,note that I said the guys who come here to work & send $ home to their families.Those guys do not receive any type of welfare.I believe in secure borders but I also believe that we need many of these guys to work for us.

Vic
Vic
  tampa red
November 20, 2016 6:15 am

I don’t think single men can get welfare benefits, not even food stamps. I could be wrong, but that’s what I was told. I was told that’s why young black men shack up with the women in Section 8 housing and live off of them, and the woman is happy because she’s got a man, which apparently is a big deal to them. The men also move from woman to woman, shacking up and producing bastards. Then the woman gets another man to come in and live with her, and has baby after baby by different fathers. The men are not supposed to be living with these women but I don’t think anybody checks on this.
Whereas the majority of white men who can’t get benefits end up at homeless shelters and soup kitchens.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Vic
November 21, 2016 12:00 pm

@ Vic
Ahh, in the Great State of California single men can receive food stamps even without having children. I should know,my dead beat youngest brother at age 32 gets them as he lives with my disabled mother….just the other day i heard him proudly tell me that he is taking care of the kids in the neighborhood by spending some of his stamps on food for them because the kids’ drug addict parents already used all their stamps, probably sold their stamps for half the cash to be able to buy cigarettes or dope

Wip
Wip
  tampa red
November 20, 2016 3:40 pm

Yeah Tampa, you are kinda stoopid. I mean, how come only single men shouldn’t receive food stamps? Single women can though? Are you a divider or something? A misandrist or something?

You couldn’t be more fucking wrong about white trash not being willing to work and that is why we need more immigration. DON’T PAY THEM TO NOT WORK AND GUESS WHAT…THEY WILL WORK OR DIE!!

I think you might be a hispanic woman. Am I close?

Big Dick
Big Dick
  Suzanna
November 20, 2016 10:29 am

Well said. I have been warning people here for months that the shit is about to hit the fan. BE PREPARED

KaD
KaD
  Suzanna
November 20, 2016 12:49 pm

I knew a guy who was an armed guard at a bank, he did other gigs, one was at a East side of Cleveland welfare office. He stood there all day and watched four black kids of different ages, a woman would go in with them and sign up, they’d come out, the kids would change clothes, and go in with another black woman. ALL DAY. The people that worked there knew, they didn’t care, they was just ‘helpin’ they people’.

Does it matter
Does it matter
  Suzanna
November 20, 2016 3:47 pm

There was nothing wrong with welfare until certain part of society was getting most of it and the other accused them of being lazy. Simple as that. You have Medicare, Medicaid, EBT, snap programs, Tricare. etc. Yes, folks Tricare is a social welfare that we should cut off as well. Anything that is govt funded is socialism and should be cut off. You joined the military to serve your country, not yourself. Where’s the patriotism? Oh yeah, I’m patriotic to my $$$. I guarantee you cut off Tricare benefits, most of your so called patriotic veterans will bail. Now I would like to see Trump cut off Tricare as he cuts off social security, medicare, medicaid. I would love to see how this turns out.

BB
BB
November 19, 2016 11:30 pm

Well the Bible,you know that book about God says history had a point in time beginning and has a point in time ending.Sounds like the 4th turning and the book of Revelation have some things in common.Just saying .?As a believer I try to think about what we don’t see going on in the spiritual world leading up to these destinations in time.Hard to do but give it a try.

Gil
Gil
  BB
November 20, 2016 4:48 am

The Koran says a lot of thing too I hear.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Gil
November 20, 2016 10:25 am

And I’m sure you believe in them, and are on that side of the battle.

TJF
TJF
November 20, 2016 7:11 am

I was a doubter in the whole Fourth Turning idea until I read the book. They were startling accurate on what would transpire between the mid 90’s and now. Not 100% spot on, but they also admit that nobody can predict exactly how things will play out.

The book is an interesting read and if you haven’t read it, I recommend it. Jim’s Fourth Turning articles hold a lot more meaning for me after reading the book and understanding more of what it is all about. Buy the book using the Amazon link near the top of the page.

onemoredeplorable
onemoredeplorable
  TJF
November 20, 2016 1:30 pm

Couldn’t agree more… It was his first Fourth Turning article that prompted me to get the book via amazon…. To be quite frank and honest it took me a while to get through the whole book. not that it wasn’t a great read but that it rang so true that it made me sick to my stomach as i’m not a young buck any more and can see the character of folks who will be “mixing it up” as this fourth turning unfolds.
I also agree and throughout the election process saw Donald Trump as the only one who could be a champion — both hated and loved — to lead us, potentially, out of this nightmare we find ourselves living in with the obomination/Clinton/bush administration mess…. anyway, get the book, dig in your heals and prepare to be educated to the reality that Fourth Turnings happen like clockwork and while we won’t know the end result for a while, it looks as obvious as the nose on my face that there will be a great deal of “volatility” over the course of This fourth turning…. pray, prep and protect…

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 20, 2016 7:17 am

All living organism belong to the specific “Tom”, “That apple tree”, “my cat” and the general- forests, herds, societies.

Just as each specific living organism has a lifespan and it’s attendant phases of development, so to does the organized assembly of it’s kind.

A fully developed coral reef eventually grows beyond it’s carrying capacity and expands to the point that it’s environment can no longer sustain it and it expires as a collective. Always, until next time.

Human societies are no different. The fourth turning scenario is itself a seasonal aspect of the larger dynamic of civilizations. There are- I would suggest,at least based on past civilizations and their demises- four fourth turnings in every civilization and this would mark our last.

No living thing exists outside of cycles of birth/growth/flowering/decay.

MarkinPNW
MarkinPNW
  hardscrabble farmer
November 21, 2016 12:52 am

Sir John Glubb; http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
showed an average age of an Empire as 200 to 250 years, or about 3 great turnings. If you date the American Empire from the Declaration of Independence, we’re just about all the way there on Glubb’s timeline.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 20, 2016 7:20 am

One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

onemoredeplorable
onemoredeplorable
  hardscrabble farmer
November 20, 2016 1:37 pm

“There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.”
This is, I believe, the ultimate basis for the cycle of Fourth Turnings…. People forget.. one of my favorite lines in any movie and one I recall with regularity was from a movie that was about King Arthur and the Knights of the Round table. After having won their “final victory” they were celebrating big time and then off to the side come Merlin the Magician. He looks at the celebrating and says, “Ah, but the curse of man is that he forgets.”
War is never pleasant for those who partook in it and it is never forgotten; however, today’s generation — except for those who actually remember war — don’t have any idea how revoltingly ugly war is… truly we are on the knifes edge and this Fourth Turning will bring into sharp focus to the snowflakes and their parents what hell war really is… pray, prep and protect…..

Homer
Homer
  onemoredeplorable
November 21, 2016 12:08 pm

It’s not that man forgets. It’s that man chooses not to remember. The allure of present and future fantasies are more captivating to the human mind.

GatorByte
GatorByte
November 20, 2016 8:31 am

The Grey Champion’s un-elected assistants are Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders and the Koch Brothers
see http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

This could Really turn ugly

Curtis W Miller
Curtis W Miller
November 20, 2016 9:31 am

That first Fourth Turning series motivated me to procure and read the book. It was revelational. Not that I was wholly unaware of such cycles, K WAve, inventory, seasonal, etc., but that they had revealed the interconnectedness of the various cycles. I’m very much looking forward to the remainder of this new series.

True, there is nothing new under the sun.

The desire for a man by the welfare mom is basically twofold: physical protection and hedonism. The older welfare moms band together for protection, and the men drift away with the loss of sexual urgency.

overthecliff
overthecliff
November 20, 2016 10:16 am

Two of the three previous 4th Turnings were civil wars. Let’s hope this one is not. Civil wars are nasty affairs consisting of the usual death and destruction of all wars combined with revenge and retribution. TBP people do not under estimate the “Snowflakes” capacity for ruthlessness. If SHTF ,take them out completely. No contrition, no humiliation just complete and utter defeat. Don’t believe that crap that violence never solved anything.

Like it or not here it comes. The next 10 years should be very interesting.

James
James
  overthecliff
November 20, 2016 1:37 pm

“TBP people do not under estimate the “Snowflakes” capacity for ruthlessness. If SHTF ,take them out completely. No contrition, no humiliation just complete and utter defeat.”

You just killed off an entire generation. We may need to increase immigration to replace these young communists….

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 20, 2016 10:18 am

Yanno Jim..I like you. Your a great husband father and intelligent hooman bean but the cheeto colored man is just a continuation of previous govt (public) slash private enterprise and not, IMHO, a grey champion. He pretends to be a populist nationalist but looking at who he has as advisers is still globalist.

nkit
nkit
November 20, 2016 10:32 am

Admin, as always, a most excellent essay. Thanks for all that you do here.

note..I read the book about 6 years ago and really liked it so I gave it to my son to read. Sadly, to this day he has not read it, nor I suspect will he. His confirmation bias prevents him from reading anything his anti-Marxist old man gives him to read. He suspects everything I give him to read of being right wing in nature.

“If a person is not a liberal at age 20 they have no heart; if they are not a conservative at 40 they have no brain; but if they are not a moderate at 60 they have neither brain nor heart.” ~Winston Churchill

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 20, 2016 10:40 am

Much of what is going on and will happen in the near future will take place outside of the world of politics.

It will happen in the streets, the religious world, the cultural world and the financial world along side of what happens in the political world.

It is worldwide civilization that will be changed this time around, not individual nations and peoples. Look at the bigger picture and how all the parts are interconnected with one another changing the whole which is far greater than the sum of the visible parts.

Trump can only do his part and it isn’t the largest part, you have to do yours and you have to know what it is to do it.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 20, 2016 10:43 am

That’s about as true as true can get.

Excellent observation.

Richo
Richo
November 20, 2016 11:42 am

” Comes the time, comes the man”

CT
CT
November 20, 2016 11:54 am

Dammit! I have been aware of The Fourth Turning for some time, and even borrowed it from the library once for a desultory lookover. It seemed too…tome-ish, academic, and weighty for my plebian tastes. Besides, I’m busy. I don’t have enough time to read it. I don’t.

And now, because of the TBP essays on the subject, I’ve had to buy the book. Worse yet, after locating a copy to buy at Amazon, I had to come back to TBP for the sole purpose of clicking on the Amazon button, just to make sure that a cut of the purchase price went to this site. I am undone, forced not only to buy the damned thing, but also now to devote the time and effort to read and understand it. Curse you, TBP!

JO
JO
November 20, 2016 11:55 am

Government: Politics is the science of bringing many under the rule of one; God puts the basest (Morally corrupt) of men in charge (Dan 4:17). There are no “Christian” (Nations following the dictates of JESUS) Nations or “Christian” Politicians. To become a Politician of any stature requires committing Treason.

THERE’S NOTHING NEW

THANK YOU TOO MUCH.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
November 20, 2016 2:02 pm

Stay away from Amazon by buying books at ABEbooks and everything else on Ebay.

Tex1836
Tex1836
  A. R. Wasem
November 20, 2016 3:41 pm

Been looking for another option. This one feeds the same beast.
“AbeBooks Inc. is a subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc. AbeBooks, an online bookselling pioneer, was acquired in December 2008 and remains a stand-alone operation with headquarters in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, and a European office in Dusseldorf, Germany.”
https://www.abebooks.com/books/CompanyInformation/?cm_sp=Ftr-_-Home-_-about1

sionnach liath
sionnach liath
November 20, 2016 2:38 pm

Is it just a coincidence that all three of the prior fourth turning you reference were followed by the bloodiest wars this nation has experienced?

TPC
TPC
November 20, 2016 6:59 pm

I’ve been waiting for this series Jim, I knew it was coming.

I think I know what Trump needs to do to stave off Civil War, but I sincerely doubt he has the foresight to target those areas. Bannon is onto the right idea, but he’s not quite all the way there yet.

I can’t wait to see the rest of the article!

Agent76
Agent76
November 21, 2016 9:11 am

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pyrrhus
pyrrhus
November 21, 2016 11:46 am

Great article! But it occurs to me that George Washington could also be the Gray Champion of the Revolutionary period. George was one of the wealthiest men in the colonies and had nothing to gain, and everything to lose, from fighting the uphill war. Yet he did….like Trump.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  pyrrhus
November 21, 2016 12:30 pm

Washington had personal stakes in the revolutionary war. The British had passed a law prohibiting the colonists from settling land west of the appalachian mountains, washington had purchased a bunch of land there so it was personally and financially in his best interest to rebel against an authority thousands of miles away.
Here, now, we have the U.N. passing “RECOMMENDATIONS” for nations whose traitorous diplomats return to their homelands and began to develop methods of implementation…under the guise of our common humanity…Trump has already said he will honor our NATO obligations albeit he suggested other NATO countries increase spending for their militaries..,haha this has already been happening and part of the next phase of postioning chess pieces in the lead up to world war 3
If he were a true nationalist and not a faux nationalist closet globalist shill he would reject our responsibilities to NATO realizing this is how America will be dragged into WWIII very similar to.how the world was drawn into WWI

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
November 21, 2016 5:14 pm

I hope that some of the current malaise re: idle youth pulling benefits rather than working is due to ignorance and lack of motivation. I hope that once the Crunch collapses welfare, food stamps, etc. that the youth will choose to work and build rather than sit and starve. If you follow the path of least resistance, it follows that you would prefer to sit and get paid rather than work hard and get paid (a little ) more. If you aren’t getting paid and still have to buy food / shelter / clothing, then you will find a way to go out and earn / get paid once you’re hungry enough.
Case in point, my eldest got a degree in English (against our advice, but the kid likes to read / write). Found it tough to get a job, partly from the depression, partly from lack of interviewing skills. Found a friend on the Internet up in Vancouver, got close, found love. Suddenly found motivation!
Can’t move to Canada without resources, savings, best would be a job. Started looking and found a state program for job-training, polished up the resume with pro help, went out on interviews. Got a pissant-poor minimum wage job through a temp agency, was laid off. Got another, got automated off. Got another – and the third time was the charm! Been at it for over six months, earned respect simply by showing up on time every time, made friends; couldn’t keep mouth shut and suggested improvements, supervisor saw potential and implemented a couple. Things got better, money coming in, saving up for move to Canada – where current employer has an office! Job possibility in Canada to smooth move to join love! PLAN, PERSIST, EXECUTE!
Anyway, once a motivator shows up you might be surprised what these Millenials can do – they may have to un-learn / re-learn their whole education, develop skillsets they don’t know exist, find spine / backbone to persist through adversity – but I think they can do it. They’re OUR kids, after all.

Voodoo
Voodoo
February 8, 2017 3:45 pm

Ha, ha! this is fantastic. Truly fun read. Keep it up, asshats!

Mk
Mk
May 27, 2017 6:33 am

The grey champion has not yet arrived. According to the book, we may have as much as 12 years left in this 4th turning. The crisis has not yet reached its climax and when it does Trump will be long gone. Also, the idea of the grey champion is something that is very loosely applied outside of Lincoln and FDR. The choice of Franklin, seem to be made just to complete the notion that the person that will “lead us out of it” will be from the profit generation (conveniently just like the authors). At one point in history they gloss over the fact that the “hero” generation was completely skipped at one point in history. If so, I’ll conveniently say that the Revolution Saeculum was championed by George Washington… a Nomad Champion.

Shelly
Shelly
October 27, 2018 7:04 pm

Great content but porn adds total turn off .Question ethics of the author.

EL Coyote - Bea's conspiracist buddy
EL Coyote - Bea's conspiracist buddy
  Shelly
October 27, 2018 7:21 pm

It’s not porn unless you have a dirty mind. The models here are appropriately dressed, no nips, no clits. Shame on you for casting aspersions on this fine blog and the Admin.