Ally Financial Slashes Guidance As Used Car Prices Suffer “Worst Decline In 20 Years”

I think this may be the first canary in the coal mine. The entire auto sales recovery has been driven by easy money, subprime debt, and leases based on pie in the sky assumptions. Loaning money to people incapable of paying you back for $40,000 Cadillacs makes your numbers look good in the short term. Now the debt is going bad at rates last seen in 2008. Remember 2008?

The tidal wave of repo vehicles and vehicles being returned after their 3 year leases are up are driving the prices of used cars down. This is creating a snowball effect as more vehicles come off lease. The residual value calculations are wrong.

Banks, financing companies, and the automakers are all going to get hit with loans losses, leasing losses, and automakers are being forced to discount new vehicles dramatically. Profits are going to get hammered, production lines will be shut down, and workers will be laid off.

The canary is dead. I wonder what happens to all those subprime derivatives being sold to pension plans.

Tyler Durden's picture

For those of you holding out hope that the North American auto market is anything but a massive debt-fueled bubble on the verge of imminent collapse, you may want to avert your eyes now.  For the rest of us who prefer to live in reality, as painful as it can be, today’s FY2017 earnings warning from Ally Financial offers a stinging wakeup call to auto investors.

And while Ally’s CEO, Chris Hanley, tried to downplay the company’s 2017 earnings guidance cut to “5% – 15%” on today’s call by saying that it was “generally in line with a 15% EPS growth path that we previously described to analysts and investors,” the market didn’t buy it. 

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And, for an equity market that often, at least to us, seems to be math-challenged, we take some solace from the fact that investors were able to quickly decide that “5% – 15%” earnings growth is not quite the same as “15%” growth. 

ALLY

 

Unfortunately for the rest of the auto industry, the reasoning behind Ally’s earnings cut was in no way company specific and was instead attributed to all the warning signs we’ve been writing about for months now, including: sinking used car prices courtesy of a flood of lease returns, spiking consumer delinquencies and rising OEM incentives.

“As mentioned on the last earnings call, the lease portfolio and used vehicle declines and transition of the retail loan book with respect to provision are some things we need to work through, and makes 2017 a bit of a transition year.”

“As you’ve heard from many lenders, we’re closely watching the environment, and we’ve seen some more noticeable shifts recently.”

“Consumer losses have also been drifting higher, and most notably in lower credit tiers. You’ve heard back from others as well. We have seen some additional deterioration in the first quarter, and we believe that the
delayed tax refunds may have had an impact here.”

“Used vehicle prices continue to decline at a manageable rate, but a bit higher than last year’s pace. We’ve seen manufacturer incentive levels creep up, so we’re watching that closely, and we’ve seen captives continuing to increase their lease presence.”

All of which seems to align perfectly with the data presented in J.D. Power’s latest “NADA Used Car Guide Industry Update” which recently revealed that wholesale prices of used vehicles dropped 1.6% sequentially in February 2017, marking the biggest February decline in at least 20 years.

In a reversal of what typically occurs in February, wholesale prices of used vehicles up to eight years old fell substantially last month, dropping 1.6% compared to January. The drop was counter to the 1% increase expected for the month and marked just the second time in the past 20 years prices fell in February (last years’ scant 0.2% being the other instance).

NADA Used Car Guide’s seasonally adjusted used vehicle price index fell for the eighth straight month, declining 3.8% from January to 110.1. The drop was by far the worst recorded for any month since November 2008 as the result of a recession-related 5.6% tumble. February’s index figure was also 8% below February 2016’s 119.4 result and marked the index’s lowest level since September 2010.

NADA

 

Of course, cars continue to be the hardest hit segment while trucks and SUV’s are holding up slightly better (you know, because oil will trend to $0 over the long-term).

NADA

 

Meanwhile, the OEM’s continue to undermine their own pricing by increasing incentives YoY by 15-25% in order to prop up new car volumes…

NADA

 

…even though it still hasn’t been enough to keep inventory under control.

NADA

 

But, it’s all probably nothing…those tier 2 auto suppliers probably do deserve to be trading at all-time highs.

 

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Zarathustra
Zarathustra
March 22, 2017 8:59 am

Good, I’m buying a car soon.

James
James
  Zarathustra
March 22, 2017 9:30 am

Zara,hope you find a quality older car without all the computers/other expensive/pain in the ass stuff to repair.

James
James
March 22, 2017 9:36 am

Side note comment to administrator,if you would like me not to comment on the site,please just say so and will stop.There is no need to put all other potential posters thru this captcha nonsense,which,will get me off this site permanently if it continues.

I will also say if it is just me suffering this nonsense and have a super bug in me lap top would like to know,thanks.

James
James
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 9:50 am

Nice to know how you feel about your readers,fine,am gone.

To all those here I have been conversing with best of luck in daily life/endeavors,stay strong/build community and if/when things go south best of luck to all of us!

TPC
TPC
  James
March 22, 2017 9:56 am

This comment right here is the best part of TBP.

Not the articles. Not the discussion. Not even the advertisements.

Its the shit-flinging.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 10:47 am

How dare you not grovel to keep James around.

“Please James, stay! Without you, the comment section won’t be worth reading! I’m sorry!”

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 4:00 pm

“So cool your fucking jets. ” Really, Jim? You talk to people this way? And now james is gone? That’s harsh. We’re going to miss him (her). Not really

javelin
javelin
  James
March 22, 2017 3:28 pm

Holy crap–it’s like those new Doctor’s and specialists at the hospital I’ve been at for 20 years. They think that if they weren’t there that the place would fall apart.

NEWSFLASH….. none of us are that important. this site ( and my hospital) existed before you came and will go on just the same without any single one of us. I am under no illusion of any degree of importance around here and I don’t expect ( or care) if Jim is concerned with my patronage of this site….
I come here because I like the variety of content and some articles of higher thought which I can’t get most anywhere else……..

starfcker
starfcker
  javelin
March 22, 2017 4:03 pm

You might not be important, Javelin. But james….

Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 9:51 am

You may have triggered him back to his safe space. Probably on the phone to Maxine Waters for help…

Looking for a vagina hat and a blankie.

Fuck these Wimps.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  James
March 22, 2017 11:37 am

You got a bug up your ass?

Did your husband leave you?

Bob
Bob
March 22, 2017 12:02 pm

There definitely seems to be some sort of recession looming on the horizon. As usual, the car companies are oblivious and under-prepared…

NtroP
NtroP
March 22, 2017 1:00 pm

I enjoyed James’ automotive comments, seemed to be pretty straight up.
Never woulda thought a guy with grease under his fingernails would be a snowflake.
Go figure……

javelin
javelin
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 3:31 pm

Nothing better than paying a few grand cash for a quality, used auto and then driving it until it dies 4 or 5 years later. I always feel like I have gamed the system and am WAY ahead of the financing chumps.

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
March 22, 2017 7:24 pm

This is what happens when you support the rest of the world by letting them dump cars here. Lamborghini sold twice as many cars in America last year than Cadillac sold in all of Europe. Think about that.

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
March 22, 2017 1:50 pm

Good illustration of how debt contaction leads to deflation.

Lawfish
Lawfish
March 22, 2017 4:54 pm

I drive a 17 year old Acura with 213,000 miles on it. Got it in 2005 for one hard payment of $10,000. It’s made me almost twice that much in mileage checks since then.

But I’ll need to replace it soon. Hoping the used car market crashes so I can cash in. The Acura’s so old as to be better to donate to charity than try to sell it. At least I can book a $3,000 charitable donation and save $1,000 in taxes.

I’d love to get something with no computer crap at all, but to do that, you have to get something from the early 80’s or 70’s and those cars aren’t that comfortable and fuel efficient for driving 320 miles round-trip a couple times a week.

SnowieGeorgie
SnowieGeorgie
March 22, 2017 5:28 pm

I am trying out your new spam filter. Where is it, what is it ?

I have had no interaction with it yet . . .

I am gonna hit the POST COMMENT button now, we’ll see what that does.

ADMIN, delete this comment if you wish.

LATE EDIT : I hit POST COMMENT successfully. Had no interaction with anything asking me to prove I am human ?

WELL, WHATEVER YOUR NEW SPAM FILTER IS DOING, it affected me not.

Signed, your big huge fan

SnowieGeorgie

Whippersnake
Whippersnake
March 23, 2017 12:16 am

Test…LMAO ..Cool your jets. Don’t threaten me..I don’t give a fxxk if you stay or go.. That admin. reply made me laugh till I cried..

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
March 25, 2017 8:52 pm

Nothing does so much for one’s delusions of importance as being told, “So what? GO already – you’re taking up useful space and wasting bandwidth!”