Doug Casey on Electric and Self-Driving Vehicles, Part I

Via Casey Research

Justin’s note: The electric vehicle (EV) revolution is underway.

EVs aren’t like traditional vehicles. They run on electricity instead of gasoline or diesel.

Not long ago, just a few hundred of these vehicles existed. Now, there are nearly 1.5 million EVs on the roads… and that number grows by the day.

In short, EVs are the future. Even Doug Casey thinks so. And when Doug gets excited about something, I get him on the phone to find out why.

Read on to see what Doug has to say about this megatrend…


Justin: Doug, the last time we spoke, you mentioned how electric vehicles [EVs] will become a huge deal. What made you say that?

Doug: There’s no doubt that electric vehicles are going to put an end to the internal combustion engine [ICE]. I want to not only explain why – but some related changes that are much bigger, that almost nobody has thought about.

There’s a famous picture that was taken of 5th Avenue in 1901. The whole street is chockablock with horses and buggies. There’s one motorcar in front of a building amongst the mass of horse-drawn vehicles. In 1913 another picture was taken of the exact same place. There’s only one horse and buggy on a street bumper-to-bumper with motor vehicles. Things changed radically in just more than a decade.

That’s about to happen again. From a purely technical point of view, EVs are now vastly superior to ICEs. And I speak as a lifelong car guy. I’ve owned high-performance cars, and played with them my whole life – including racing sports cars, stock cars on ovals, and quarter-mile drag racing. EVs are far superior to ICE vehicles. They’ve got every possible advantage. They handle better because of a much lower center of gravity. They’re more economical. They’re much faster. Much more quiet. And they’re more reliable because they have vastly fewer moving parts.

Every major car company in the world is going electric, as we speak. Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, and even General Motors and Ford – who tend to lag behind on everything – are all going to EVs. This is really something. It’s a megatrend. But the average guy is completely unaware of it, because there are as yet very few on the street. Mainly Teslas. Which probably won’t make it as a company. Not because of its cars, but because of its finances. Pioneers are the ones who get the arrows in their backs…

Justin: What are the biggest investment implications of this? Is it the battery metals or something else that nobody’s talking about yet?

Doug: As you know, there’s been a lot of emphasis on the metals necessary for batteries. That’s because the success of EVs relies on the quality of their batteries more than any other factor.

Electric vehicles were around a hundred years ago. If you read Uncle Scrooge comic books you might recall that Grandma Duck drove an electric vehicle – basically a primitive golf cart. In those days the only kind of economically and technologically viable battery was lead-acid, which is what you still find under the hood of ICE vehicles, to start the engine.

Lead-acid is cheap, but it’s very heavy and doesn’t hold a charge very long under use. We now have compact lithium batteries that are relatively lightweight and highly efficient, like the battery in your computer. But they’re expensive. In the near future thousands more tons of lithium will be needed. As well as gigantic amounts of nickel, cobalt, and vanadium for various applications. So far, people have been emphasizing metals as the way to play the inevitable triumph of electric vehicles. And that makes sense.

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Justin: Yeah, there’s no doubt that demand for the battery metals will explode in the coming years. But what are some second-order effects of EVs?

Doug: The second – and third order – effects are going to be vastly more significant. They’ll change much of the landscape, and the very way people live. Electric vehicles will eliminate the need for 90% of gas stations. And repair shops. Just as ICEs largely eliminated stables, farriers, and buggy whip factories.

But EVs are just part of the story. Most of them will also be self-driving. There are already tens of thousands of self-driving trucks and cars on the road. They’re already safer than driven vehicles, but since the technology is improving at the rate of Moore’s Law they’re getting better every day. Further, when most cars are both battery-powered and self-driving, they’ll be safer and faster yet, because they’ll be able to identify each other.

The trend towards these cars is reinforced by the fact people today are much less interested in recreational driving. And for good reason. The roads in the United States – everywhere in the world, really – are way too crowded to enjoy in most places. And they’re full of police anxious to give you tickets. It’s not like it was in the ’50s, ’60s, or ’70s when you could drive fast just for the pleasure of it.

Cars are increasingly just for transportation. Evidence is that a lot of millennials don’t even bother getting driver’s licenses. And if they do, they avoid buying a car. It used to be that kids couldn’t wait until they were 16 to get a driver’s license. No more.

Self-driving vehicles will compound the changes due to electric vehicles.

Justin: What are the biggest implications of self-driving cars?

Doug: One big change with self-driving vehicles is that you’re not going to need many parking lots. Most cars will be driverless Ubers. A self-driving car will pick people up and drop them off wherever and whenever they want. At least in metropolitan areas, which is where more and more of the population is concentrating. Taxi, limo, and truck drivers will cease to exist within a decade. As will Uber and Lyft drivers.

It’s not just because of technology, it’s economics. The typical car today only spends between two and ten percent of its life on the road, driving. The rest of the time it’s parked on a street, or in a driveway or parking lot. Storing unused cars is a major expense. Commercial lots charge $10 an hour in many places. And over 10% of the square footage of urban buildings is used for parking cars. Plus all the parking spaces on streets, and giant parking lots out in the suburbs.

I suspect most self-driving EVs – at least in cities – will be used like taxis, or rented by the hour. They’ll be used 24-7, however, so you’ll need only a fraction of the cars we now have. Self-driving EVs will be much more efficient, and much, much cheaper than the cars we use now.

Because there will be fewer vehicles, and they won’t be sitting in parking lots all the time, there’s going to be a glut of real estate hitting the market. Not sometime in the indefinite future – over the next decade. That goes for a lot of real estate now used for roads as well.

If a Martian were to land on Earth today, he’d think that the major lifeform on this planet is vehicles. But that will change as vehicles are used more efficiently. A lot of suburban families have two or three cars. Over the next decade, if they own any at all, it will be just one, mostly for long trips.

Justin: It’s interesting that you mention that. I just sold my car to my parents, and I did this for a few reasons.

Number one, I travel so much, and I obviously can’t bring my car with me. There’s no sense in paying insurance on a vehicle that’s collecting dust most of the time. Plus, you don’t need a car in most U.S. cities, not with Uber, Lyft, and these new scooter sharing companies.

So I don’t see myself buying another car anytime soon. I may actually never own another car, as strange as that might sound.

But I’m clearly not alone. People across the country are opting to share vehicles rather than own them outright.

Doug: It’s unlikely that I’ll get another Porsche or Ferrari. Cars like that are increasingly pointless with roads being what they are today. Combine that with the effects of the Greater Depression, and in a decade you’ll find exotic cars sitting in barns with flat tires and birds roosting under the hood – which was the case with Duesenbergs and Cords in the ’40s and ’50s. The current boom in exotic cars selling for $100,000 to $1,000,000 is another bubble about to burst.

Anyway, if I want to go somewhere today, quite frankly I’d rather have some remote vehicle pick me up and drop me off. So I can read a book while I’m in transit.

This change is happening right before our eyes. And it’s going to play out quickly, taking millions of people completely by surprise.

Justin: Thanks for speaking with me today, Doug.

Doug: You’re welcome.

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e.d. ott
e.d. ott
December 9, 2018 5:36 pm

Tens of thousands of self-driving vehicles on the road? Really?
Safer my ass. Maybe on a closed course with a controlled environment.
Affordable?
Again, my ass … I’ve seen more Teslas on the road than Garbage Made Cheap Volts.

Karrl
Karrl
  e.d. ott
December 9, 2018 6:52 pm

The volt was a small expensive hybrid. The build qualit was very good, but, it met few peoples needs.
Now. the 220 mile Kia Soul electric is roomy, capable and will sell a lot. The demand already outstrips production capabilities. Limited battery suply.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Karrl
December 10, 2018 5:21 am

If that 220 is a reference to range in miles, it’s a joke. My V8 does that.
You’d be better off in a Toyota Prius hybrid that gets 400+ miles on a 9 gallon gas tank. On a long distance trip my wife and I can get 50mpg, easily.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  e.d. ott
December 10, 2018 6:24 am

I can get 24.7 mpg in my 410 hp truck, and tow a backhoe, or a couple sleds or wheelers. Over 425 miles per tank full. And cost less than your prius.

JC
JC
December 9, 2018 5:43 pm

Spare me the BS. A Tesla S shares a lap time of the Nurburgring with a transit van. How’s that for some performance?
“The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that’s my guess). ”

https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around-the-nurburgrin-1600644908

The up side is it only takes an hour or 2 to recharge it.

Why Won’t They Send me a Tesla to Test Drive?

The whole thing is BS. If the government didn’t support them (Massively) they wouldn’t be here.

Ham Roid
Ham Roid
  JC
December 9, 2018 6:08 pm

Support? Globally, you mean mandate.

starfcker
starfcker
  JC
December 9, 2018 6:47 pm

Eric hasn’t figured out that biting the hand that feeds you is never a good idea. There’s plenty of charging stations out his way. https://hackernoon.com/supercharger-station-hopping-across-virginia-in-my-tesla-bc79eb99eb9f

starfcker
starfcker
  JC
December 9, 2018 7:01 pm

Hey dumbass, 2014 called, they want their storyline back. Here’s a Model S Tesla going around the ring on some pretty terrible tires, and it’s time is still within the top 150 street car laps EVER. Remember, on any given day there are dozens of Porsche GT3RS out on that track, and that’s a car capable in the right hands of beating the Tesla’s time by a full minute. But they don’t. Put some stickier tires on that Tesla, and get a pro driver, and you might really have something. ://youtu.be/Y9_aMk2dVSQ

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  starfcker
December 9, 2018 7:26 pm

Here is $30,000 damage to a Tesla. Anyone who would buy one of these is a fool, or one of the Elites for whom these new electric cars are meant for, and that is not you or I.
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JC
JC
  starfcker
December 9, 2018 7:35 pm

Fck off starfcker. Have fun charging it up for 2 hours in nowhere Nebraska. $13,000 in government subsidies for every one sold. That buys a bunch of gas. Nice link btw.

JC
JC
  starfcker
December 9, 2018 7:45 pm

Just for the record. The link is to a simulation. dumbass.

starfcker
starfcker
  JC
December 9, 2018 10:37 pm

Oops. That’s embarrassing. But for the record, what makes you think I’ll ever be in nowhere Nebraska?

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
December 9, 2018 6:03 pm

The latest “performance” videos I’ve seen are multiple passenger reactions to 0-60mph 2 sec accelerations in electric vehicles. Straight line acceleration isn’t real performance.
I drive for living in all weather conditions. The majority of drivers can’t drive for sh*t in inclement weather and avoid it. Many don’t drive well on curves and speed beyond the limit when going in a straight line.
I won’t be reading Casey’s Part II if it’s posted here, and didn’t even bother with most of Part I. The big reason gas vehicles are prevalent today is because Henry Ford, JP Morgan, and John D. Rockefeller saw economic opportunity in mass producing them for a growing economy. The economy is no longer growing and electrics aren’t affordable or common enough without government subsidy.
If Casey was a true visionary he’d buy a farm with horses. That’s where we’re eventually going.

Ham Roid
Ham Roid
December 9, 2018 6:05 pm

Sorry, I doubt it.

EV’s in total are much less efficient than ICE’s. And the technology in batteries? Hell, the lightbulb was invented over 100 years ago, and it’s nearly impossible to find an incandescent bulb that doesn’t blow out as soon as you first turn on the switch.

Some of Edison’s own bulbs are still working. If he were alive today and took a tour of a Tesla production tent, he would buy a horse if he wanted reliable transportation.

Karrl
Karrl
  Ham Roid
December 9, 2018 6:43 pm

Edison built electric cars, and, developed the nickel iron battery. These batteries are widely sold. and very long lived.
Put Edison in a Tesla 3 and floor it. He would scream with joy!

Grog
Grog
  Karrl
December 10, 2018 12:49 am

Put Edison in a Tesla and all you’d have is his dead body in a different box.

Karrl
Karrl
December 9, 2018 6:26 pm

I saw a Prius moving in the library parking lot yesterday. Saw is the key thing , because, I didn’t hear it. The engine was not on. I don’t know if it was the extended range, 20 mile electric, Prius. . Or just a regular one with about a mile of electric range.
I am sitting here listening to a neighbors pickup truck out in the street. I’m pissed that he should intrude into my house.
Consider someone who lives in North Platte NB. A market town, and, largest town for about 100 miles. With a 200 mile range electric car , He could do all his daily driving. This would include trips to friends and family 60 miles distant.
There are millions of people living in these smaller self contained towns who could , and will drive electric cars.
To see why you will buy an electric car, watch the youtube video of the Tesla 3 that the guy on ‘engineering explained’ put up yesterday. It is worth watching just for the drive through the snow covered mountains of Montana.

Ham Roid
Ham Roid
  Karrl
December 9, 2018 6:43 pm

Have fun replacing the electrical grid in your little town so you can have your peace and quiet.

Ham Roid
Ham Roid
  Karrl
December 9, 2018 6:50 pm

And don’t bother looking for a cheap gas station. Whatever your electric company wants to charge, that’s what your dumbass is going to pay.

Karrl
Karrl
  Ham Roid
December 10, 2018 9:38 am

Most gas prices are fixed.
You can make your own electricity, and, many people who drive electric cars put solar on there houses. The same for commercial fleets.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Karrl
December 9, 2018 10:55 pm

And the blind just love these quiet vehicles because they reduce their life expectancy tremendously. The thought of more of these on the road terrifies my blind friend.

starfcker
starfcker
  MrLiberty
December 10, 2018 4:23 am

Why, do you have a blind friend that likes to play in traffic?

Karrl
Karrl
  MrLiberty
December 10, 2018 9:34 am

The answer isn’t loud cars. A radio or ultra sound transmitter would be cheap. ( ?$10 ? ) and allow the blind to know the cars position.
If you can afford the price of lunch, you can afford to keep the blind alive.
As cars get better sensors that detect people, they could make a noise only when the detect a person who might be in harms way. Quiet cities, noise as necessary.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  Karrl
December 9, 2018 11:06 pm

My Prius Plug-in goes about 9 miles on a charge total EV. If you know how to drive it you can get 80 mpg plus in city driving after that. On the highway I run about 55-60. Fill up the gas tank once a month.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  WestcoastDeplorable
December 10, 2018 2:05 am

And that should be good enough by any logical reckoning. If I lived in CA, I’d probably drive a Prius. One fill-up per month would mitigate the high gas tax.

Karrl
Karrl
  Iska Waran
December 10, 2018 9:26 am

The gas tax will go away and be replaced with a mileage and weight tax.
There is no way to pay for the roadways with the gas tax on you prius, or, model 3.
Probably in the 5 to 7 cents aile range. $500 to 700 a year . More if you really put on the miles.

JC
JC
  WestcoastDeplorable
December 10, 2018 7:13 am

Just to jump on this particular comment. A Prius is a “Hybrid” ICE and electric. It is a system that has been around pretty much my whole life. I’m 59. Every locomotive you see today uses the hybrid system. The difference between a EV and a hybrid are enormous and really at this point not comparable. One works and is efficient, (hybrid) the other don’t work and is inefficient. (EV)
If you want to see some serious mileage replace the gas engine in the hybrid with a small turbo-diesel.

https://edisontechcenter.org/Dieseltrains.html

“Diesel Locomotives use electricity to drive forward motion despite the name ‘diesel’. A large diesel engine turns a shaft that drives a generator which makes electricity. This electrical energy powers large electric motors at the wheels called ‘traction motors’.
DC and AC Power:
Some locomotives use DC generators and others use AC. Modern alternating current locomotives have better traction and adhesion and are used on trains that carry heavier loads. DC is still used because it is cheaper to manufacture.”

Karrl
Karrl
  WestcoastDeplorable
December 10, 2018 9:30 am

Thanks. I thought it was a little more.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 9, 2018 7:53 pm

This article was bogus from the outset. EVs don’t run on electricty, they run on whatever fuel was used to create the electricity. In the US that is mainly coal and NG. Where is the generating capacity going to come from to displace the hydrocarbons being consumed in ICE today? Who is paying for the massive new charging station infrastructure that will be needed? Can you imagine the lineups at charging stations if the adoption rate of EV goes vertical?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
December 9, 2018 8:15 pm

EV’s are about control. The ICE is about freedom. I can throw a couple of 5 gallon cans of gas in the back of a truck and have far more options than can anyone in an EV. Off road for the computer-driven vehicle seems like a pipedream (or a nightmare for the passengers), as does a snow or ice-covered roadway where lines are no longer visible. Escaping tyranny is the very thing that has kept our species going, and rulers a bit contained. Do away with the ability to escape, and humanity is doomed. Allow the government to control virtually every aspect of power generation and technology innovation, and none of these cars are ever going to get good enough to replace the ICE in all circumstances anyway.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
  MrLiberty
December 9, 2018 9:27 pm

Mr. Liberty, Amen. Casey is an odd libertarian sort who thinks he will be able (due to his smarts and well-deployed resources) to avoid the debris field. Maybe he is right. I don’t think he knows how deep the hole we are falling into is. He might be able to avoid it in Argentina, But I won’t.

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
December 10, 2018 4:27 am

Yeah, Musk seems really tore up. Where did you find this guy, Jim? “He works at MoveOn.Org, why do you ask?”

Dutchman
Dutchman
December 9, 2018 8:49 pm

Casey is full of shit.

Mr. Frosty
Mr. Frosty
December 9, 2018 8:49 pm

This is 100% a paid propaganda article. Vague, misleading and painfully scripted.

EVs are an agenda 21 program. The idea is to make cars expensive and awkward, so that only the ruling class has them. The serfs will have poorly maintained drone taxis. Facial recognition cameras inside the taxi will tell the government exactly who you are, where you went and for how long. If you owe the government money, expect the doors to lock and the car to drive you directly to jail.

The serfs will not be allowed freedom or privacy. Embrace your “cool” EV future.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Mr. Frosty
December 9, 2018 10:31 pm

It’s not whether you’re paranoid. It’s whether you’re paranoid enough. You have a good handle on things.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Iska Waran
December 9, 2018 10:57 pm

I like how you put that.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  MrLiberty
December 10, 2018 2:00 am

Tom Sizemore’s character in Strange Days.

JG
JG
December 9, 2018 10:29 pm

Deleted.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
December 9, 2018 11:00 pm

Problem is, you may be limited in where the gov wants you to go. No thanks, I’ll drive.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 10, 2018 6:21 am

More economical? 100,000 car that doesnt do what my 40k truck does is not more economical.

old white guy
old white guy
December 10, 2018 7:15 am

Until an EV is developed that will go at least 500 miles, in sub zero weather , on a single charge and recharge in five minutes, they will be less than useless for high mileage travel. A city car only as it were.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 10, 2018 8:29 am

Casey’s comment on reducing the repair shops by 90% is also bullshit. 90% of the vehicles needing repairs are for anything but under the hood. Fucking brakes and bearings will still be wearing out as usual!

Karrl
Karrl
  Anonymous
December 10, 2018 9:21 am

Suspension parts, yes. Bearings, maybe-they can be designed to last almost forever-it’s a cost thing.
The brakes will last 100km or more. The energy is recovered to the battery.
CV shafts, yes