Guest Post by Fred Reed
The torture facility in Zacatecas, Mexico, a museum of applied Christianity
Pompeo: “My Faith in Jesus Christ Makes a Real Difference”
Pompeo says God may have sent Trump to save Israel from Iran
“As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible,” said Mr Pompeo….”I am confident that the Lord is at work here,”
Pence, a Catholic Evangelical who almost became a priest: “I made a commitment to Christ.”
Christians? These Christians support a war on Yemen in which huge numbers of people are dying of mutilation, cholera, and starvation, a war they could stop with a telephone call. They similarly support butchery of Afghans from the air, massive killing in Syria, bombing of Somalis, and torture chambers around the world. Such is their Christianity. They lack even a shred of human decency. But they are Christians.
Tell me, Mr Pompeo, Mr. Pence:. Have you ever seen a child die of starvation? I have heard it described. It takes many days. Crying, crying, crying, slowly getting weaker. The mother, frantic, desperate, going crazy. The child holds out his arms, expecting as children do that their mother will do something. The crying eventually stops. But maybe you would get more of a kick out of watching one die of cholera caused by your wars. Death by cholera is quicker, but more interesting: Puking and defecating uncontrollably, crying, crying. The dehydration kills them. Neat, huh? Meanwhile, Mike, you eat prime rib in Washington and talk of the sanctity of your faith. You are a goddamned pious monster. May you rot in hell, if any.
We have Pompeo, a malignant manatee looking to start wars in which he will not risk his flabby amorphous ass also parading his Christianity. Bolton, a mean sonofabitch who belongs in a strait jacket, at least doesn’t pose as someone having a soul. And the Golden Tufted Cocatoo, too weak to control those around him, preening and tweeting. God save us.
Those of a certain age may remember Christianity as a vague though real niceness practiced by people who would have been equally nice without it. Christmas meant trees glowing with lights and a nativity seen on the town square, this not yet being illegal, and choirs of children singing carols in front of houses, carols on public streets not yet having been found unconstitutional. It means a spaniel-eyed Jesus looking skyward in sappy adoration. It was pleasant. This is not the Christianity of Pence and Pompeo. They are amoral Christians. They are cruel Christians. They are evil Christians.
A politically useful tendency–useful to Mike Pence–is to think of Christianity as a quaint and beleaguered faith rooted in goodness and kindness and concern for others. Historically this has not been the case. Christianity has a record of savagery, of bestial religious wars, torture, the burning of heretics. In Zacatecas, Mexico, there is a museum of instruments of torture used by the Inquisition. They are too sickening to describe. This was not the Christianity of Jimmy Carter or Mother Theresa. It is the Christianity of Mike Pence and Pompeo.
And they are Evangelicals. This may prove to be an even greater disqualification for office.
Evangelicals are…strange. For the most part they are not evil, just people, often poorly educated, as best they can trying to make sense of an incomprehensible existence. (Rapture Culture is not a great book, but gives a fair picture of Evangelicals.) Theirs is a peculiar theology, one with implications for foreign policy. They believe in the Rapture. They believe that we are in the End Times. This means that one day soon the faithful will disappear–poof–and be sucked up into heaven by the Rapture. Whoosh. The rest of us will endure the Tribulation, a time when the Antichrist will rule in chaos and savagery. Then Jesus will come and defeat him in the battle of Armageddon.
None of this matters particularly in itself. Religions have often predicted the end of the world. They get over it. But:
What does matter is the Evangelical belief that before the world can end, the Jews must gather in Israel and be converted to Christianity. This puts Evangelicals in the curious position of being pro-Israel but anti-Semitic. So far as I am aware, Jews have no enthusiasm for conversion. Those who believe this are called Christian Zionists, and their loyalty is to whatever they think God wants, not to peace, America, or reason. They are loyal to Israel because it is essential to the end of the world.
This means that directing the foreign policy of the United States we have two fringe Christians, two Jews (Kushner and Ivanka) and an addled and easily led First Carrot. It means that Pompeo and Pence are driven not by practical consideration of the needs and well being of the United States but by loyalty to curious theological ideas and to a foreign country. They will do what fits these ideas. And they are simply bad men.
Pence, speaking to Jews:.”Let me say emphatically, like the overwhelming majority of my constituents, my Christian faith compels me to cherish the state of Israel.”
He backed that up last December at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s conference when he said: “Israel’s enemies are our enemies, Israel’s cause is our cause. If this world knows nothing else, let it know this: America stands with Israel.”
This is astounding. A vice President of the United States openly stating that he is loyal to a foreign country. If Israel wants war with Iran, then so does Pence–because Israel wants it. If Israel pushes America into a war with Iran, which its control over Congress, finance, and the media may allow it to do, Pence will favor it. How many Americans have signed on to this?
And in war he will take the rest of us along with him.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem.Recognizing Israeli sovereignty over Golan. Very likely, over the West Bank. Perhaps going to war against Iran for which there is no other reason. In this case millions will die for a screwball theology with the spiritual legitimacy of the Hare Krishnas. Can we take a vote on this?
Instrument of Catholic Christianity, which Pence professes.
While neither Pence nor Pompeo would go openly near a torture chamber–bad PR, that–they know that allies such as the Saudis and Israelis do such thing, and that Gina Haspel, head of the CIA and known sadist, does equivalent things in secret torture sites of which Pence and Pompeo are aware. Oh, but they are men of Jesus.
In general, the more seriously Christianity is taken, the less pleasant it becomes. (This is equally true of all three Mid-Eastern religions.) Of course sub sects of Christians differ. At one extreme you have the Unitarians, who believe that if God existed, He would be a force for community betterment. At the other extreme you have the Catholics at their worst, tearing people slowly limb from limb.
Christianity has a long and dismal history of oddball sects and heresies which often have fought bloody wars. Aryans, Cathars, Protestants, Mormons, Tai Pings, Moonies, Snake Handlers, Evangelicals. I have seen conservatives criticizing the Chinese for suppressing Christianity. The Chinese have their reasons. From 1850 to 1864 the Tai Pings, a truly screwy off-brand Christianity whose leader thought he was the little brother of Jesus, caused what may have been the bloodiest civil war in history. When leaders think they are on Whatsapp with God, they will do what they think He tells them. And if God says to smite Iran, smite Iran they will.
Yet more applied Christianity.
Grotesque torture as a means of social control was not limited to Mexico or Catholics. The history of Europe is a monstrous tapestry of barbarism by those three awful Mid-Eastern religions warring, butchering, burning heretics, the rack, strappado, The Jews behaved much less badly because ,lacking a country and an army, they had to. When they acquired these things, they began behaving like Christians and Moslems.
Maybe we should leave foreign policy to diplomats.
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Meh!
Neither Pence or Pompeo are Christians….
They’re Catholics.
Might be hard to accept but a the point of a knife you never see anyone..
Catholics don’t believe in the “rapture” – an idea that only gained prominence within the last 200 years among pre-millenial dispensationalists – and don’t have any special allegiance to the modern state of Israel, even if it may fit into certain biblical prophecies. As a practical matter, Pence and Pompeo are acting like Hagee-esque Protestants – probably because the United States is a majority-Protestant country. Who the hell knows what they believe – if anything.
So, just for the record. Fred everything you say about christianity is true.
But..these people have a huge misunderstanding about what the bible and Christ teach.
Modern evangelicals have been duped for about a century or more by this aberrant theology that they teach called zionism. Virtually the entire modern church, protestants, catholics, eastern orthodox, pentecostals, and all the other mainline christian churches.
They may be christian, but they have no idea what their Saviour taught.
The whole christian world is caught up in this futurism known by one name or another. Dispensational pre-millinialism is a pretty fair representation of the whole lot. Of course there are different flavors and each will claim they are correct.
The truth is…Christ returned in ad70 as He said in scripture that He would do.
The whole of scripture is clear on this matter. Over and over it is repeated. Soon, near, about to, at the door, shortly come to pass.
It is like some massive worldwide plague that has taken normally logical reasonable people and caused them to become blind. It really is a testament to the power of human nature to shut down their brains when they get involved in group think.
The real Jesus defeated all evil spiritual powers 2000 years ago. The bible is also crystal clear on this. Before Christ did this He gave what is called the sermon on the mount. Which is His instruction on how to live, and have a happy life.
It boils down to love your neighbor the way you would want to be loved. Period.
That is the teaching of the bible. The folks you refer to in your article are extremely confused about what scripture teaches. Their understanding and therefore their practice are hugely detrimental to having a foreign policy that operates out of mutual respect for others.
There will be no end of time cosmic battle. The time of the end was the end of the old covenant worship system of the jews in ad70. Noone in modern day Palestine has anything to do with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Christ has given us everything we need to have a successful, happy world.
Mankind just keeps screwing it up.
You present an interesting thesis. Can you, and will you, present some more detail to buttress your claims? Specifically, the claim that Yeshua returned in AD 70. Did he appear bodily in Jerusalem, or was he there in spirit when the Romans destroyed the Temple, along with the rest of Jerusalem?
Yes Midwest it was a spiritual parousia, there are tons of scripture supporting this. Read the bible and quit listening to false teachers.
When I began to read the bible over and over these things begin to become clear. You have to get out of the echo chamber of church tradition.
“Before Christ did this He gave what is called the sermon on the mount. Which is His instruction on how to live, and have a happy life.”
2 Timothy 3:12 KJB… “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
Sound happy?
You’re preterist inclinations are more delusional than those you attempt to identify. Unless of course you have actually plucked out your eyes and cut off your own hands, cause buddy, you’re not equipped to live out that sermon, nor am I. Christianity puts one at odds against the world… a salmon swimming upstream. Happiness is found in truth not life circumstances.
The persecution you speak of Grace is for those folks Paul was speaking to in the book of Timothy. The eschaton was a 40 year period from Christs ministry beginning to the parousia in ad70.
The hermeneutic is audience relevance. Be like a detective when you read the scripture. Ask who, what , where, when, why.
Yes there are christians persecuted today. But it has nothing to do with the eschaton and the end of the old covenant age.
In fact much of what Fred wrote in this article has a lot to do with persecution of christians today. Ron Paul calls it blowback.
Happy are those doing His commands Rev.22:14a YLT
The word happy is also in the original in the sermon on the mount.Not blessed.
Start correcting the translation bias that futurist have inserted in the text and you can begin to understand better.
And no sir! The dispensational view is a nutty made up story that is worse than the Mormons and the angel Maroni.
It sure does way more damage.
The world referred to most of the time in scripture(you can tell by context) is the old covenant world, not the globe as you think.
And finally you are right, I will not do a very good job living out that sermon. But praise be to God that His Son has fulfilled it all for me.
My duty is to strive, my position in Christ and my practice are two different things. Otherwise noone would be saved.
And by the way, my position in Chirst has renewed my mind to recognize evil institutions when I see them. Man has the ability to make choices.
Evil Institutions that man could reinstitutionalize to conform to Christs Sermon on the mount.
1. Unsound money this is big. Defund the warmongers, and gov.
2. Education system
3.Government
4. Media
5.Churches that teach bad doctrine
6. Military
7. Medical industry
Just as in the days of Samuel the king will buy off everyone.
Especially if that king has the power of the money printing press.
The problem with your theology Grace is that you have given up.
There is no end of time.
A generation comes a generation goes, but the earth lasts forever.
A saint generating machine to the Glory of Christ and His fulfilled work.
Given up? That’s the last thing I’ve done. If this world is Gods Kingdom, which your view pretends, than God is an inept liar and the Bible is full of baloney.
If this is the Kingdom, those institutions you list wouldn’t need reformation.
Daniel 2:44 KJB… “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”
It is a Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven and it ain’t here. It’s a New Testament Kingdom in which the residents are empowered to keep the sermon on the mount.
It is a Kingdom that has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with Israel and their being the channel of blessings from God to the rest of the world. Men can’t form it, though they desperately try. Read Acts 2-5 and you get a glimpse of things to come.
Grace, Acts2:16 But this is that which is spoken of by the prophet Joel. And it shall be in the last days. (Not of the physical globe and universe, the old covenant system)
This is that. How much clearer do you need it to be.
It cant get any clearer than scripture states.
Matthew 3:2 Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:17 this one is Jesus himself saying it. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus again. Matthew 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 16:28 Truly I say to you, (people standing in front of Jesus in the first century that He was speaking to) there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
So Grace, Am I to believe you or Christ?
God is not a liar and inept. You are inept at interpreting scripture. You cant even read plain words.
Maybe, just maybe Grace doesnt understand the nature and character of what God is doing.
Grace we are never going to get a sinless perfect world on this globe. Maybe in heaven. If He made a sinless perfect world we would be robots. Why didnt He just do that from the beginning?
God says His kingdom has come. You need to change your presuppositions to fit that truth.
All well and good but Matthew never met jeebus. He could never know what jeebus actually said. He could only know what people said that jeebus said.
Paul happened GB. The Kingdom was at hand IF Israel repented and saw their Messiah for who He said He was. They didn’t. They are currently blinded.
God then began a program that was hid in Him since before the foundation of the world was laid. He revealed that program to the Apostle Paul beginning in Acts 9.
You miss the mystery GB, completely and totally, as most do. That is what God has been doing for the past 2,000 years. He sent Paul to the world with a gospel message that has nothing to do with “thy Kingdom come”. Salvation by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of Christ alone, as payment in full for sin debt. Such good news is found only in Pauls epistles.
We are not living in His Kingdom, but are longsuffering through satans world hoping to see others saved out of it as we, before it is too late.
These will help, should you choose to examine; they are excellent…
Grace, thank you for the link. I was however a die hard believer in reformed theology for many years. I have studied with some of the best in this field for many years and have come to the conclusion that some of reformed theology is wrong.
However I do respect their zeal. I just find it difficult to convince them of anything outside of that theology, no matter what clear verses I show them.
So I have a question. What do you do with this verse as it pertains to the five solas. Especially the one you quoted above faith alone? This is James 2:24
24As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.
Here it is in Youngs literal translation just so we know their is no translation bias.
James 2:24 Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)
24 Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only;
Who do you believe, Calvin or James as Christs representative?
The remnant of Israel did accept Christ for who He is and they are the only true jews. Again the NT is full of verses defining who a true jew was and is.
Over and over they say that believers, those in Christ, are the true heirs, the true believers. Those who believe are the sons of Abraham.
Revelation 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
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Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.
It was never ever about ethnic national Israel.
It has always been about the chosen believers.
The mystery has been fulfilled. Again the scriptures say in several places that the gospel has gone out unto all the world.
The mystery:
Ephesians 3:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
Colossians 1:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 if indeed you continue in [a]the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, [b]was made a [c]minister.
was proclaimed is past tense. That is past tense to Paul and his time. There are several other verses that say the same thing.
We now live in the age to come as it relates to first century people. They lived prior to ad70 in their present evil age. There are only two ages in the bible. And even today “jewish rabbis” acknowledge their are only two ages. They are just confused about what age they live in just like they have missed Christ.
Their present evil age was in subjection to angels, after ad70 the new covenant age was turned over to the saints of the most high according to Daniel. They even judged angels in the great judgement.
Grace you have to have a new dictionary that has changed all meaning of words, grammar, language to come up with anything else.
I find it extremely difficult to interpret scripture with my old lens. There are just to many contradictions. Once you let the scripture say what it says it all becomes simple.
Its why people have so much trouble with revelation.
Try this out. Approach scripture with this in mind and see what it does for you. You can always go back.
Nothing in the bible is about any, person, place, or event after ad70. There is nothing in the future after ad70. When you do that it becomes easy. Once you think like a first century ancient near east hebrew then you can understand.
Then we can begin debating what that restoration story teaches about truth for all people for all times.
But GB and Grace arent in there, and noone in our future is either.
Luke 21:20-22 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then [a]recognize that her desolation is near. 21 Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of [b]the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter [c]the city; 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
All things fulfilled. Not some All.
Who was James speaking to?
James 1:1 KJB… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
Who does Paul speak to?
Romans 11:13 KJB… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”
“Who do you believe, Calvin or James as Christs representative?”
Neither; although I believe every word James speaks to be Gods truth. Just not instructions for me.
Paul is our Apostle, not James, John, Peter or Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry. Christ sent Paul to believers today.
Romans 15:8 KJB… “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:”
Romans 15:16 KJB… “That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.”
1 Corinthians 11:1 KJB… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
I follow Paul as Paul followed Christ. I worship Christ. I teach Christ according to the revelation of the mystery given to Paul.
There are many contradictions in the Bible and all are solved not by “spiritualizing” verses but by understanding that the book is one of progressive revelation. Not all verses are written for my instruction. God is not speaking to me in every verse of the book. Only about 5% it turns out.
I dont spiritualize hard to understand verses. I just believe that the bible is written in many literary genres.
And I certainly dont believe there are many contradictions in the bible.
Its one clear message. And bifercating the apostles into for the jews only and gentiles only doesnt work. Certainly the verses above give credence to each ones primary mission, but their is not two faiths two hopes.
Ephesians 4:3-6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
Paul is also clear that there is one body consisting of Jews and gentiles.
Ephesians 3:11-19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 This was in accordance with the [a]eternal purpose which He [b]carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and [c]confident access through faith [d]in Him. 13 Therefore I ask [e]you not to lose heart at my tribulations on your behalf, [f]for they are your glory.
Ephesians 2:11-19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, [a]excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off [b]have been brought near [c]by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the [d]barrier of the dividing wall, 15 [e]by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might [f]make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, [g]by it having put to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the [h]saints, and are of God’s household,
There are no seperate programs for jews and gentiles Grace. Thats dispensationalism not scripture.
1 Corinthians 9:17 KJB… “For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.”
Ephesians 3:2 KJB… “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:”
Colossians 1:25 KJB… “Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;”
“There are no seperate programs for jews and gentiles Grace. Thats dispensationalism not scripture.”
I guess you’re right…
Me, I just believe the words on the page.
You find the word dispensation in a translation and think it supports your Schofield theology?
The word in the greek is oikonomian.
It has nothing to do with modern dispensationalism.
How do you deal with the verses in
Ephesians 2? The whole chapter is about bringing jew and gentile into one body.
What does CI Schofield have to do with anything? I’m reading the Bible not someone’s notes, right or wrong.
I don’t speak Greek. Neither do you. God speaks English quite clearly. What you’re demonstrating is your lack of belief in the plainly written word.
That new body is an unprophesied new creature. It shows up on the scene with Paul (Acts 9) and it is called home before Gods wrath is poured out on the world (1 Thes 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-58).
Try Ephesians 3 on for size. It explains much of the mystery well. God changed everything up with Paul. I can’t make you believe it (I would if I could). All I can do is point it out. You have to look; not many do. It destroys religion. Those chart lessons given by Grace Ambassadors I linked above are well worth your time. Any of them… Highly recommended you watch one or two before dismissing what I’m saying. When once seen, and that’s hard, it can never be unseen.
Grace and peace…
GCP and GBell, it seems to an outsider – both of your perspectives are relatively new to me – that your positions are very “black and white”. This is one of the problems with Preterist/Dispensationalist/Futurist/Literalist: it seems that none of them account for the nuances in scripture that defy those ideologies. That is an observation, not a critique, and I don’t mean to argue or interject or derail your exchange, because both of you make some EXCELLENT points in support of your positions, and as servants of the One, I think that is healthy and upbuilding SO LONG AS everyone agrees that ALL of us will answer for being wise or foolish servants, and, to paraphrase Paul, “Christ is being preached, and therein do I rejoice”.
BUT . . . GB – it appears that the kingdom that has come is the Catholic church, not the Kingdom of God. In 325, at the council of Nicea, we got (thanks to the novena of Athanasius – supposedly) the canon as we know it AND the catholic church, and anybody with any sense has to recognize that the “catholic” (universal) part of that equation IS opposed to the literal truth of God. “Thou shalt have no other gods” is not a suggestion, and they screw it up right at the gate, regardless of how they mask it or pretend otherwise. That Constantine gave us the book over which we argue should also be a warning to us, because he was a politician FIRST. We KNOW that the canon of the Hebrew Bible is truncated because they did not have in their possession certain books, The Epistle of Jeremiah, etc., books which few scholars would argue against including in that canon. How can we pretend that the same is not also true of the Greek Bible? So, we must consider that what scriptures we HAVE do not comprise the little box wherein God lives, as though a book defines or limits Him. That is not to say that our arguments can be anything but biblical – they must be, because the scriptures are the RULES as we know them, but that is, also, not to say that there are not more that WE DO NOT KNOW.
And perhaps I am oversimplifying with this observation, but, if prophecy is fulfilled, then we are stuck in a circuitous loop of Biblical proportions, because the entire world, not just the Mediterranean or “known” world at that time, IS MOVING TOWARDS THE “MARK” SYSTEM. And I don’t just mean the cashless, “no buy no sell” system, I mean, the “bow down before the throne of hell and swear your allegiance to the beast” that you may live. IF this is fulfilled, WHY is it repeating?
And where/when was the all-consuming fire spoken of by Isaiah, Malachi, Peter, and John?
Thanks for your time!
“So, we must consider that what scriptures we HAVE do not comprise the little box wherein God lives, as though a book defines or limits Him.”
Am I to believe that the same Creator who spoke the world into existence has trouble writing a book that I His creature might understand? You greatly underestimate that book. God defines Himself and us in it that we may know Him as well as we care to.
Paul references Isaiah 55:8-9 somewhat sarcastically here (because the Bible is a book of progressive revelation and there was much not revealed to Isaiah – the mystery still hidden); and then follows it up with a stunning revelation.
1 Corinthians 2:16 KJB… “For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
God gave the “why” of everything to Paul. He gave us far more than most anyone seems to realize. We have the mind of Christ, God Himself, His plan for the ages, revealed to us in the written word. Past, present and future. That’s a lot to wrap ones mind around… so most don’t even try.
GCP – no no, there is no question that the Word defines Him in terms that we can understand; my point is that HE is greater than a finite “book”. And I agree – that “finite” book is amazing. The more I study it, the less I know.
A friend of mine put it this way: On earth, every form of life that we have studied contains water. Which suggests that, without water, life cannot exist. But we also know that water can be found everywhere, even in the dryest of deserts. Hence, life exists in every climate we have studied, because, so long as there is water, some form of life can survive. So, in a sense, water means life. But life does not mean water. Or another way: water is not God. But God is the water.
show me where it says christ returned in 70 ad ??
Read Matthew 24 z-man. I can quote dozens of verses. You need to do the work. If you can read plain english, or maybe I should say greek then you shouldnt have any trouble.
i’m guessing matthew 24 has some thing to do with what a lot of christians call
” the tribulation” and the “rapture” ..two made up hoaxes . every one who has ever lived
has experienced ” tribulation” of some sort or another..that’s life!
there’s always “tribulation” . jesus said to expect hardship. also the bible is one big parable. it kinda comes down to , ” the faithful servant”
the good news: is that god works in us both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
that’s grace…
Ok z man I have caved in and done the work. Just couldnt resist.
Watch this video. This guy nails it and gives you book chapter and verse.
He didn’t, z…
That is no reply Grace. He didnt do what? Give exegetical proof from the scripture. You can assert things all day long.
This is exactly what makes people like Fred despise christians.
We have for years made assertions with no logical explanation.
Just preaching a tradition to the choir who believes as you do is easy.
Other religions, atheists, can read the bible and understand it better than most christians. They dont have our bias. They laugh at what is plainly written and say, look these guys cant even read their own scriptures correctly. There Jesus said plainly He was coming back 2000 years ago. Well everybody knows that didnt happen. Cause we cant explain it.
Please give a detailed explanation why soon, near, about to, at hand, dont mean what they normally mean.
Most of the people on this blog are reasonable and logical.
Explain it using scripture.
Come on Bell!
Plagiarizing words by others written long ago doesn’t prove a thing..
So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? In every war God is on the side of each warring faction. The men whom Fred calls Christians wear their religion like the Pharisees wore theirs. Open displays of piety while secretly plotting murder.
Fred like to point out the horrors of the Medieval torture chambers and neglects to explain why they were used. The torturers were there to stamp out any opposition to the power and control and authority of the Church and that Church was a nation state. The aforementioned politicos masquerade as Christians while working as tools of the State to push the agenda of the State and the agenda is power and control over resources and wealth.
Wow–Fred waited a whole week since the latest massacre of Christians by the scores to begin anew his hateful rants against them.
I tried to read your article but your hatred and bigotry over whelmed me. Too bad.
I am a Christian which means placing your faith (God given ) in Christ Jesus as your God ,Lord and Savior. That’s it. The straight and narrow road. This does not change man’s sinful (wicked) nature. If anything if makes you more aware of how evil you are. I still hate ,there is still evil in my heart and that will not change until I enter heaven. I don’t believe in the Rapture . It is a lie .I don’t support Israel in the current status. It is a Rothschild / UN creation. I do support the Israel of God which is a spiritual reality.
As far as evil I suggest you read the History of the False religions of the world like Islam or Communist / Socialist style religions to learn how many they have killed and are killing.
I see Fred is in a jam . Maybe this best explains his attitude “. And even if our Gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the Gospel of the Glory of Christ who is the image of God ” ESV.
Hey B.B. I appreciate your comments and observations. As far as the rapture …. there are a multitude of scriptural passages that alude to it. Similarly, I used to believe it to be errant theology. As I have continued to study the Bible, my understanding has shifted. Go on Youtube and query Chuck Missler. He has a number of excellent discources discussing the rapture. Drive safe.
show me where the word “rapture” is mentioned in the bible??
Not in your bible Z. You have to look in their bible.
HAHAHAHAHA that’s funny
z man the rapture is a false doctrine. The word is not in scripture. Now correct hermeneutics does not demand that the word be specifically in the scripture. For example Trinity. The doctrine of the trinity is valid and present in scripture. Not the word trinity. Rapture is a misunderstanding based on a futurist return of Christ and the nature and character of His return and the resurrection of the living and the dead.
And BTW the “death of Adam” is not physical biological death. It is sin death or seperation from God.
From the fall in Genesis when they disobeyed Gods one and only law until the restoration of all things in ad70 heaven was not accessible to men.
Thats why God eventually came along and chose a people to reveal Himself to mankind through. He established a system, the Mosaic worship system with all its rituals and temple to point to His future final plan.
If you read the historian Josephus , he explains how the temple was an imitation of “heaven and earth”. This is where man had limited access to “heaven” once a year through the high priest of the Israelites.
But the promise of its destruction (there system and temple) was always intended to be replaced by the new heavens and earth and real actual access to the throne room of God through our prayers. And when we die.
We now have the temple made without hands. Christ. And we are the living stones that it is constructed of.
The entirety of the biblical narrative is written in a way that first century ancient near east people could understand. It was written according to their cosmology, not ours.
They described many things in terms of global and universal terms but it was literary genre to them.
For example. The heaven and earth that Christ says will be destroyed in Matthew 24 is a hebrew idiom for their temple.
You really have to practice mysticism to believe what most modern christians believe today. Btw Paul warns against mysticism in 1 Timothy.
the trinity also is a false doctrine. show me were jesus calls the holy spirit
his father?? “mary was found to be with child of the holy spirit” the holy spirit is the spirit of the father and the spirit of the son.
there are not three persons as one god. god is not a person. btw we don’t
enter the throne room of god when we die. when a person is dead they are dead! and remain that way until the resurrection. other wise what point would there be for a resurrection? there is nothing
physical in the “heavens”. no room, no throne. no physical Jerusalem,
no streets of gold! these are only symbols. jesus said to worship in spirit and in truth. we are under the new covenant.
“we are under the new covenant.”
We are not under any covenant agreements with God.
oh really??? the old covenant was based solely on the physical and
the new covenant is based on the spiritual.
most “christians” keep the old covenant. they believe that the new covenant is keeping the old covenant better! people just seem to have to have all of those “old time” rituals in order to be all so spiritual. after all that makes them feel a whole lot better than those ” going to hell heathens “!! “to be carnally minded
is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace”.
I know it sounds strange, but, yea… really! Bible believers today are no testament Christians. Read the above.
It isn’t there, z…
The word “translated/translation” is however.
Hebrews 11:5 KJB… “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
that is such an incredible stretch of a Scripture…seriously ?
the rapture is a hoax …btw there is no geographic location called “heaven”.
the “heavens” is a spiritual realm. not physical.
and ” hell” only exists in the minds of most “christians” who believe
such nonsense. there is no geographic location called hell.
hell is an english word, not found in the greek or hebrew!
Well then, call me nonsensical.
The word translated hell is gehenna in the greek. It was the trash dump outside Jerusalem.
It burned and smoked perpetually. It is just a simile.
There is no place that bad people go where they are eternally conciously punished. That was made up by the catholics or some preachers long ago so they had something to threaten and scare people with.
Remember, and I do think many people are sincere, just ignorant, if christ has done it all what do you need a preacher for. oops nothing left to sell. Just encourage people and love them.
“Remember, and I do think many people are sincere, just ignorant, if christ has done it all what do you need a preacher for. oops nothing left to sell. ”
Here is why:
Rom.10:14 ¶How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Even Lord Jesus preached eternal punishment… and Paul… Etc.
organized religion is pure bullshit!
All I am saying about not needing a preacher is that pastors today are not the same divinely taught people that pastors in the first century were.
They did not have a bible. How will they hear without a preacher today. Read the bible.
The five fold offices of pastor, teacher, prophet, apostle, evangelists, do not have supernatural direct guidance by the Holy Spirit today. If they did we wouldnt be sitting here debating.
There wouldnt be all these different teachings.
If you want to assemble and have some guy teach the word, fine. But most are false teachers.
Here, let me fix that for you.
“I tried to read your article but my hatred and bigotry overwhelmed me.”
I ask again, what is a Christian? Define the concept. How does one become a Christian? Exactly. Certainly, Fred hasn’t a clue. He just writes what he sees… as if Christianity was all and only about ones behavior.
Oh do tell Grace!
Oh for gods sake gcp. You know exactly how one becomes a christian. And you know that it is exactly the same way that one becomes a muslim, or for that matter a jew. Assuming of course that you were something other than a jew before you decided to become a jew. You yourself have accepted the born again into your flock. Don’t deny it. That is the way that it works. You yourself have blessed the poor stupid people of your church who were trudging off to Iraq and you yourself have officiated over the funerals of the returning dead. You yourself have supported the very thing that Fred is complaining about. The behavior that you profess is exactly the behavior that Fred is railing against. And he knows it from the inside, as do you.
As long as humans are willing to believe in make believe gods who live in heaven and control their lives they will believe in virtually anything. You believe in virtually anything. You believe that you will stand before your god and be judged. My how special you must be. You believe, and preach, that you and all of your saved droolers will be handed a fast pass to heaven for your goodnessiness. The jews believe that they are the chosen of god, (well, those who actually believe in god.) The muslims believe that they will be handed that same fast pass if they only die for the promotion of their own version of exactly the same faith in exactly the same make believe god who lives in heaven and controls there lives.
Are you any better than Conan?
exactly
You become a christian by the fulfilled work of Christ and belief in Him.
What is the fulfilled work of Christ? How does it apply to me?
How do I know I’m going to heaven when I die?
No need to worry and fret.
You ain’t going there cuz there is no heaven.
There is just Valhalla…
Well Grace since you asked.
As I have said above, there is nothing in the bible about us.
it was the redemption story that people living in ad70 and prior lived and participated in.
The ancient hebrews were the ones under the law. Just as Christ was born under the law. The law of Moses. The perfect keeping of this law was prior to ad70 the only way to heaven unless you had a special relationship with God and He counted your belief in Him as righteousness.
We are not born under the law as to salvation and righteousness.
The law does not condemn us.
Romans
13 For the promise to Abraham or to his [l]descendants that he would be heir of the world was not [m]through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are [n]of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
13 for [h]until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
There is no law to condemn us to be seperated from God.
We live by the Law of Christ. It does not condemn.
18 So then as through one transgression [m]there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness [n]there resulted justification of life to all men.
One way to heaven in the new covenant. The completed fulfilled work of Christ. Believe it or not. I am not even sure you need to acknowledge it. But maybe you do. Lord I Believe!!
you become a Christian because you were part of a Christian community or family same way you become a Jew or a muslim
8ntractor… Christianity is a choice each and every individual makes. All God has always wanted is for man to want Him. The world is sold under sin and hell bound. I know that’s hard for many to hear. The good news is God has always provided a way out. His provision has taken different forms over the centuries. Today His grace is offered freely in the form of His Son (Himself) hung on the cross on our behalf. Someone has got to pay for your and my sin. It’s either Christ or us.
Let it be Him!
“Fred hasn’t a clue. He just writes what he sees…”
Need I say more?
Sadly and on many levels, no.
Outstanding article. My sole criticism is that Reed didn’t emphasize that the real villain here is the one who put these monsters in power; the Orange Crusader. It also was he who picked Pense-the delusional whack job (and dumber than a brick). Believe the Jesus story if it makes you feel better about your mortality but basing foreign policy on the return of some dude no one has seen hide nor hair of for 2,000 years is batshit insane. Personally, I’m begging for the rapture just to get rid of these dangerous religious screwballs.
David Icke reasons that when trump’s casino’s rolled over, his ass was bailed out by zionist fat cats who he was thus indebted to. Bolton, pompeo, pense, the embassy move, Gaza, ‘interfering’ in the election of bibi, turning over the reigns of power to kushner….. seems to add up, no?
Make America Great Again, my ass.
Vote, my ass.
The Abrahamic religions most certainly have much Evil to answer for whether they start WWIII or not.
And the two chaps Fred mentions – Pence and Pompeo – as not being very good Christians; well as we all know in Baghdad on the Potomac one “gets with the program” or one gets ridden out of town. They are all in with the program as everyone has been since Abe Lincoln (there’s that “Abraham” thing again.)
Christianity is the biggest “lipstick-to-pig” process ever devised by man. If you don’t believe me then just watch what they do, not what they say. Hypocritical motherfukkers. It’s no wonder there’s all these church shooting going on. None are more evil than those who falsely profess to be good.
Funny you seem to have forgotten Muslims and Jews in your definition of hypocrites
How old are you Fred? I mean really? Just because someone asserts their belief in Christ does not automatically make it so. What fruits do they bear? You seem to desire to tarnish the entire faith of Christianity by the actions of individuals who, obviously hold this crucial life’s doctrine in name only. Seems to me, you were able to prove your conclusions in advance. You must be quite proud of yourself. But, that’s okay. We will all get ‘face time’ with our Creator someday. He will render judgement to all. I need to remain concerned with my own fate.
what if face time is with one the many, many hindu gods?
There is a line of Christianity from its inception to today, but history rarely records their presence, as this line of Christ’s disciples are regularly erased from history by the religious, political and sovereign powers that be, who do make the history books, based on the worldly power they hold over their subjugated people.
Groups such as the Anabaptists, Huguenots and the Moravian brothers have not been granted a chapter in history books, because they were seekers of the kingdom of God and not in any glory that can be purchased by gold or silver. As such, the examples of Fred Reeds torture hardware were more often than not used against the true professing Christians, because their pure testimony of living a life of faith, exposed the worldly power seeking so called Christians as the charlatans they were; and because of this the real lovers of Christ had to be exterminated.
And so it is today, wherever governments live in fear of having their oppression of its people exposed by the freedom preached in the gospel, they will use any means at their disposal to eliminate the threat.
Excellent, Not Sure. Now, can “the gospel” be clearly identified? What exactly is the good news God wants us to know?
That this is such a divisive question speaks volumes.
Hi GCP, the gospel, or good news, isn’t really divisive, as it is totally voluntary for those who choose to receive the salvation accomplished by our Lord Jesus Christ.
I do not find many receptive posters on this platform, so instead of evangelizing, I try to keep the record straight concerning the misconceptions many have about Christianity in general. I think for me, this is my interest in posting on TBP. I help correct what I think are misconceptions and when asked, testify why I believe in Jesus as my Lord.
As a Christian, you need a pretty thick skin to take the darts of those who think we live in fantasy land, but it’s okay, I truly do appreciate everyone who posts here and hope only the best for them. I do not like to stir up crap, but will stand up for the truth when I think a falsehood is presented.
“The salvation accomplished by our Lord Jesus Christ.”
I think it’s the simplicity of the thing that makes it so elusive. That and very few care to admit to themselves that they are sinners.
Romans 5:8 KJB… “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
Keep that thick skin in the game brother! Personal testimony is an incredibly powerful tool!
“I do not find many receptive posters on this platform…”
It’s been my absolute pleasure to have received many private emails and phone calls from people who see things in just the right way for the first time based on something I’ve repeated I don’t know how many times. You never know who is reading and where seeds land or how they are watered. Keeps me fired up… ?
grace and peace…!
people hate being exposed, and that’s probably why so many hate/mock the Word of God. The Word is Truth.
here’s John 3 starting with v 19:
19This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
And they are still going, protected by The Almighty. Always a remnant. Staying alive where no one notices or dying trying.
Shalom to everyone.
Finally some sanity. Thanks Not Sure
Hi Bro T!!? The gospel is:
1 Cor.15:1-4…1 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 ¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
All was taken care of by the cross. One just needs to believe the gospel.
Eph.2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Some here appear to think that Christians are “good”. Checking their “fruit” and all that… But what I have learned is we are not good in and of ourselves. The one truly good thing in us is
Christ.
Who do people compare someone to, to know if they are good? Even the Saviour Jesus said…
Mark 10:18 KJV — And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
That’s right. Compared to God ain’t anybody good… Just sayin. True believers are just saved everyday people who have trusted in God, and the Lord Jesus precious love and blood and we thank him for his LIFE.
BTW… He will save ANYONE who will believe!
Praise the Lord!
Boom! Can I get an amen!
Amen!
Here is a link to a PDF of the full history of the true Congregation through history.
http://www.coyhwh.com/du/books/The%20Gates%20of%20Hell%20will%20not%20prevail%20against%20her.pdf
True according to the hebrew roots movement. Not very impressed.
Christianity = From The Bogus Moral High Ground Department
I can say that Americans don’t believe in God, they use God to justify their mental disease and the appetite for death and conquest.
Christianity is the cure for a condition known as conscience. If you have Jesus, you can hate, cheat, steal, extort, rob, murder and discriminate. You just have to properly apply the “Scriptures”, and all of it can be explained as God’s Will. Christianity is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. I do not think that the real reason why people accept christianity has anything to do with argumentation. They accept christianity on emotional grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack christianity, because christianity makes people virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it.
“If you have Jesus, you can hate, cheat, steal, extort, rob, murder and discriminate.”
Speaking of diseased…
“You just have to properly apply the “Scriptures”, and all of it can be explained as God’s Will. Christianity is comparable to a childhood neurosis. ”
Yes christianity is a disease
So, you attack Christianity but ignore Islam? The hypocrisy here is blinding.
“A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. ”
Funny you said that. What you might not ever learn at “church” is there is only one who can truly accept anyone. That would be THE ONE who ACTUALLY DID make a way. That would be the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the true church. Not in a building…
What you speak of is not of faith. Hebrews 11:6 KJV — But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Religion kills. I was misinformed for many years but came to the truth when I was 51 yrs old.
1 Timothy 1:15 KJV — This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Conscience every man has one…
Hate is a bad thing. are you a Democrat? They seem to exhibit this seething blind hate.
“Those of a certain age may remember Christianity as a vague though real niceness practiced by people who would have been equally nice without it.”
Ok, I guess. So Reed can remember fifty years ago. Whoopty do. He should consider that those who “would have been equally nice without it”, came from societies conditioned by hundreds of years with it. We can lament that the Scandinavians have recently taken the whole “give your enemy your tunic as well” thing a little (or a lot) too far, but consider how the pre-Christian Norse enslaved other norsemen (check the etymology of “enthrall”) in a thralldom that left in the archeological record (bones) evidence of their near-starvation. My guess is that a primary reason the Mexicans so revere “Our Lady of Guadalupe” – who had a moon under her feet a’la Revelation 12 – is that the conversion of Mexico to Christianity freed them from the incomprehensibly huge and cruel practice of human sacrifice.
Maybe Fred got his Mexican history from Neil Young’s “Cortez the Killer”. He needs to remember that Neil was super high at the time.
good points,iska–
This administration is a continuation of the Bush administration 100%, no different. Bush also filled his administration with evangelical nut cases, (Just one example, John Ashcroft belonged to a church that believed if anyone danced to any music, they were going to the eternal hot box.) Consider the following for comparison of Bush to Trump;
We had a president who hears voices in his head telling him to go to war
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml
Then we have Blackwater, another christian militant organization justifying their actions saying it’s gods will and who’s founder Erik Prince, claims God status.
And also there is Force Ministries.
If they don’t love the Lord Jesus … KILL THEM !
It is obvious that oil is their true god.
Thou shall not covet thy neighbors oil.
Thou shall not kill.
Thou shall not kill thy neighbor for their oil that thou hast coveted.
Your christian president and his chosen swamp rats is really satan’s administration, just like Bush’s and Obama’s was. So stop being so stupid now. I guess you idiots will have to vote harder. Maybe you could bring a two dollar prayer book with you to vote in 2020.
what of all of the previous administrations? are you seriously limiting your ‘satan’s administration’ label to the Trump, Obama, and Bush administrations?
The Diseased’s got some serious bias going on and it really boils down to: Orange man bad.
He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.
HAHAHAHA great one Findlay. Haven’t seen that one for quite some time. Of course, it is ludicrously wrong, but it is a great old saw. The whole point of the post is that Pence and Pompeo will never die by the sword. Or the gun. But your children will. Praise be to god. By the will of Allah.
This in itself has a religiosity aspect to it. It involves human sacrifice. Animal and human sacrifices are ubiquitous throughout most religions. Christianity also, the bible is full of it. But now there’s the religion of statism. Statism is synonymous with christianity in dumbass Americans sub-conscience today. So the state demands human sacrifice.
As Alex Jones states, it began as a priest class and spans back millennia. The only difference today is the priest class has been replaced by what we call “politicians” today. The priest class i.e. politicians and ruling elite, has always demanded human sacrifices from their subjects. And the most effective vehicle to carry out these human sacrifices are the military.
“The role of authority is a predatory system that sees the individual as a unit of energy. The first forms of mind control go back to pre-history, and you would simply have a priest class that developed technologies out of herbs and medicine and that added value to the tribe, but pretty soon the priest class would start studying the sky and when there were solar and lunar eclipses and say “hey, the suns not going to come back on this date unless you make me king or unless you give me total control”. The people would say, “ok we saw the eclipse when you said it was coming and the snake god ate the sun and the moon. What do you want? “I want your first born child, sacrifice him to me”. Every culture does that! Every culture at one time or another has demanded human sacrifice and still does to this day. Every future culture has done this. Because that’s the state i.e. priest class demanding total surrender and submission to it.” ~ Alex Jones– “State of Mind”
So Americans are dying on the alter of a New World Order religion that demands human sacrifice to the elite, who do not send their own children to be sacrificed.
I love Fred!!
Why? Cuz he’s just like Trump —– he really gets some of you all riled up and shit!!
I have a more important question: is GCP a Christian?
Up = Yes
Down = No
Agent provocateur.
A wholey man..
Hint (for you voters): it has nothing to do with me.
Last comment before I have to take Ms F. to the doctor … hope to be back later this afternoon or evening.
Fred seems to be all discombobulated that Pence and The Other Fatfuk call themselves Christian, while also being pro war. How can this be, he wonders.
And I wonder …… has Fred ever read the Old Testament??? That Jehobah feller … he loves hisself some mayhem, destruction, and genocide.
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To some degree, everybody is a hypocrite.
Don’t deny it; it’s OK to love that part of yourself.
While I question the need for leadership, everybody is on somebody’s team. We all, to some degree, accuse the other team of violating the rules we just violated.
Ever played sports on a team where “The Rules” weren’t studied diligently to find ways arounds them, where compliance with “The Rules” was emphasized as a personal virtue, where winning never got in the way of “The Rules”?
After Pagan Romans stopped feeding Christian to the lions, how long did it take Christians to start barbequing Pagans?
The lions should’ve been better fed.
It had to be christians. The lions refused to eat jews. Something about professional courtesy.
Something about professional courtesy…..
Now that is some funny shit!
made me roar with laughter
We clearly have a modern prophet to tell us Pence is not a Christian and that there is a better way. To be a real Christian we must emulate ST. Peter Butthole gig. We need to suck dicks and take them up the ass or vice versa whichever is your preference.
Thanks be to Odin that I’m going to Valhalla cuz you Christians are craaazzy!
Nothin’ crazy about A2M, and berserkers couldn’t wait to raid and practice it on Catholic alters.
That’s how Loki made Sleipnir for Odin.
I realize that you all think that you have all the answers in your book, regardless of which book it might be, but this discussion has been going on for a long time and everyone has come to the same conclusion that you yourself has come to. Best stated by Stucky. I am right, you are wrong, deal with it.
Quoting from Gore Vidal,
Yarshakara’s answer seemed candid. “Any religion that believes that
this world is a kind of illness to be got rid of by prayer and by respecting
all life and by not wanting earthly possessions is enormously helpful to a
ruler. After all, if people don’t want material things, they won’t want
what we’ve got. If they respect all life, they will never try to kill us or
overthrow our government. Frankly, we do our best, through the secret
police, to encourage the Jains and the Buddhists. Naturally, if we ever
saw them as a threat . . .”
“But their virtues are entirely negative. They won’t work. They are
beggars. How can you make soldiers out of them?”
“We don’t try. Besides, those are just the monks. The majority of the
Jains and the Buddhists simply honor Mahavira and the Buddha, and
then they go on about their business like everyone else – with one difference.
They cause us less trouble than everyone else.”
“Because they are republicans at heart?”
Varshakara laughed. “Even if they were, what could they do? Anyway,
the world does not interest them, which is very nice for those of us
who absolutely dote on the world as it is.”
I’d love to debate Gore on that premise today.
Those honorable, non-coveting, non-violent, lazy Buddhists in Myanmar are known to regularly work themselves into a Muzzie-killing frenzy with the intent to dispossess the deceased.
But he’s stump me with “That isn’t a problem and doesn’t create trouble.”
This is a great conversation ! Motley ,I was listening the Chuck Missler last night going down the road about the Anti Christ . He make a comment about the Anti Christ coming from the Eastern part of the Holy Roman Empire . He made a good argument. Part 1 then 2 . Very interesting. You will have to listen to it yourself as I will again tonight to make sure I understand it right.
Meatballs ,I see you giving us Christians a hard time. You say you don’t believe in God but yet you made magic wands to cast magic spells. Be careful playing with that stuff. I recently read a little bit in a Jewish magic book from only God knows where or who wrote it but hit my mind like a hurricane. I got off the internet real quick. I didn’t read much but black magic is real. Be careful my friend.
The Rapture is not a salvation issue .I don’t believe .I think it’s a lie and alot of christians are going to completely unprepared for what’s coming. For all Watch …. Europa : The last Battle . It will make you mad as hell at first but it’s worth the watch. It is 12 hours long so if you can watch first two would be a good start. Watch and learn how we have lied to about so much in history.
Nothing fosters lies like religion and politics.
Every religion and political system should be view critically, incessantly.
Giving Christians a hard time? Every faith that advertises God’s favor deserves the worst of all times.
“Biblical Times” were populated by illiterates who knew nothing of the cosmos, much less our solar system. All of the Bible’s scriptures echoed historical summaries from Sumerian cuneiform tablets.
Those who wrote scriptures knew less about our cosmos and cycles than the Mayans. Mayans practiced the evilest form of “magic”, human sacrifice. It was a very powerful tool and we don’t know if it was in the wrong hands. Ostensibly, some of those sacrifices kept the Sun rising, but that was propaganda, found in all religions and political systems.
Yes, play with “magic” ignorantly you’ll quickly be a chihuahua in a pit bull’s mouth.
Buying into, abdicating to, being saved by, or proselytizing any religion or political system that is intolerant of others is just as risky.
Those outside, looking in, wonder, dumbfounded.
“WTF? Don’t they believe their Holy Scriptures? Why are they obsessing over clues to when the Lawd gets his 2nd nut? Their Main Dude said, in Matthew 24:36 , ‘Nobody knows the time he cometh.”
Seems to me, that sort of conjuring is silly until it convinces Christians to commit themselves to the end of the world in six years.
You want serious magic? Live a little bit longer. Blind Guy isn’t too far off in his prediction.
You’ll see it in the end days, when the Van Allen Belts “temporarily” collapse during a magnetic pole reversal. The VAB’s don’t just protect us from solar radiation, they separate us from other time/space continuums. For a while, it’ll be everybody trying to maintain sanity. The Devil’s Angles won’t give a fuck who has lamb’s blood on their door.
The Reversal is going to make one hell of a bang and, for a while, the living will exist with the dead. Thessalonians 4:16
If it continues longer than scheduled, everyone will be dead. Matthew 24:22
Excellent article. If one started reading the bible without knowing what the book was most people would set it down in disgust before finishing Genesis. All of these religions are from that one crazy book written by men.
“Killing for Christ is like fucking for virginity.”
– Anonymous
And still a very valid point even if crudely stated.
Stucky Question
GOD IS LOVE!! GOD IS PERFECT!! GOD LOVES YOU! You heard that a million times in your life, right?
Okaaay, but what about the many verses which indicate the exact opposite? Most folks know the biggies but, that’s not the half of it. If you only knew …
Soooo … I’ve been thinking about this project for quite some time. It would be a rather complete listing of all those verses which show the less than nice aspects about God. A reference for the rest of us. My own personal commentary would be kept to a bare minimum. As Sgt. Friday would say, “Just the verses, ma’am.” . In other words, let the Bible speak for itself. Then you can decide what kind of God this is, eh?
Vote up = “Do it”
Vote down = “Fuck off”
Be a great idea!
Finally, a vote that means something?
you need to put it into context stucky if you’re gonna do that–most people don’t know the bible well enough to know that most of the violence is in the old testament & jesus changed things–
Even if they knew it well enough, they couldn’t contextualize it, because Jebus didn’t change anything about the Old Testament. He wasn’t in a position to put Daddy under Appellate Review. Daddy was the Supreme Court, where almost all judgements have a genocidal context.
What? Jebus changed GOD? Suuuuurrre. Jebus changed people’s nature? Baahhoowaha!
The Old Testament Prophets were on the straight and narrow, told it how it was, and how it would be. From God’s mouth to their ears.
Jeebus’s message spoke of how we “could be” at our loving best. He fermented it into a half-rack of Disciples who never met Daddy. One thing the Disciples were sure of, and it required no faith or belief, was that Jeebus was going to have to return to fix Daddy’s fuckups. I mean, change things. With hope.
That’s where (misplaced) faith comes in. If you don’t march in with the Saints, you’re in a lake of fire with me. Try to get a Christian to tell you God and Jebus, united, could change that.
Oh, no, the Devil must have his dues.
AND that most of the violence was to purge “the land” of human-sacrifice and/or sex worship cults OR to punish Israel when they followed after such idolatry . . .